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Do vets need an alternative way to obtain skills points?
Goshua
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leveling to 50 is pretty quick. If you've max CP then you left with chasing skyshards which is nothing more than a time sink and exercise for your mount.
If you have 1000's of quests available, have 800+ CP there no real point to doing them esp the ones that don't lead to a skill point themselves.
It would seem feasible to me to not only gain xp towards your next CP point but also some progress towards a skill point.
My point.. less shard chasing, provide an incentive to quest past lvl50 and cp cap, another means to get to an end.
If you have 1000's of quests available, have 800+ CP there no real point to doing them esp the ones that don't lead to a skill point themselves.
It would seem feasible to me to not only gain xp towards your next CP point but also some progress towards a skill point.
My point.. less shard chasing, provide an incentive to quest past lvl50 and cp cap, another means to get to an end.
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Stickbow✭✭✭My first, admittedly knee-jerk reaction was "why" - but then I thought about it. On some levels, it would make sense to give 'points toward a skill point' instead of CP even.
I don't terribly mind skillpoint hunting though, even after getting my 11th of 13 toons to 50...1 -
Fleshreaper✭✭✭✭✭You keep earning CP, even after you hit the cap. That way when the next chapter comes out, you already have the CP to reach the next cap.1 -
Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Like most things ESO, my view is that they should make account wide settings optional. I would never want to take anything away from players that want to treat their Alts differently, but picking up the same skyshard for the 10th, 12th or 15th time is no longer enjoyable in anyway.
Maybe make an option for when you first clear the 15 main zones of skyshards on one character that you can toggle those zones to be account wide. Not like you need all 405 skyshards (or whatever the number is) on every toon.2 -
Stickbow✭✭✭Fleshreaper wrote: »You keep earning CP, even after you hit the cap. That way when the next chapter comes out, you already have the CP to reach the next cap.
I know - I said "on some levels". Other games don't let you progress towards a non-existent level. I actually appreciate that ZOS/ESO does.0 -
Violynne✭✭✭✭✭
✭With the change to the CP system, and faster leveling, I do find my level 50 characters aren't ready for the game. Not enough Skyshards, but plenty of skills to level up.
I'm not advocating account wide Skyshards, but it would be nice if the game would automatically assign the overland Skyshards. Quest, delve, and dungeon shards should still be earned.
This drops the need for a grind for them, but still gives flexibility to focus on character development.
Win-win?
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Goshua✭✭✭✭Something like account wide skyshards? Yes, please.
I'd love that, but I doubt it would ever happen.
@Fleshreaper
If you're ahead of the cap its pretty easy to stay ahead of it even just pvp'ing or doing dailies there's is no incentive to continue with the bulk of PVE content unless you're chasing sets.0 -
SilentRaven1972✭✭✭✭With the change to the CP system, and faster leveling, I do find my level 50 characters aren't ready for the game. Not enough Skyshards, but plenty of skills to level up.
I'm not advocating account wide Skyshards, but it would be nice if the game would automatically assign the overland Skyshards. Quest, delve, and dungeon shards should still be earned.
This drops the need for a grind for them, but still gives flexibility to focus on character development.
Win-win?
Cyrodiil shards would need to be totally excluded. I'm no PVPer, but it seems that would be fair. Those particular shards should be earned."Such is the nature of evil. Out there in the vast ignorance of the world, it festers and spreads. A shadow that grows in the dark. A sleepless malice as black as the oncoming wall of night. So it ever was, so will it always be. In time all foul things come forth." -Thranduil0 -
ghastley✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Wait a moment. Isn't there a fallacy here,? Skyshards are not the only way to get more skill points, as some quests that you may not have done before L50 will still award them.
Leave the shards alone. Especially as changes made for the post-L50's will affect those below that level.0 -
Feric51✭✭✭✭✭
✭Wait a moment. Isn't there a fallacy here,? Skyshards are not the only way to get more skill points, as some quests that you may not have done before L50 will still award them.
Leave the shards alone. Especially as changes made for the post-L50's will affect those below that level.
I think that's OP's point. He doesn't want to have to do basic overland quests to get those skill points on max level characters or alts. Outside of completionists and other gluttons for boredom, redoing the main story quests 15 times is a very tedious task, but one that has to be done if you feel the need for those skill points.
Honestly, I think an "opt-out" of the main (Vestige/Prophet) quest for alts would be a huge step in the right direction. You can already opt out of the Wailing Prison tutorial, why should I be forced to listen to a lying ego-maniac (The Prophet) clandestinely recount his own story to you in extremely slow and drawn out quests (that are impossible to speed run through btw) just to get those skill points and, just as important, level the Soul Magic skill line.Feric51
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Slick_007✭✭✭✭✭
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It would seem feasible to me to not only gain xp towards your next CP point but also some progress towards a skill point.
My point.. less shard chasing, provide an incentive to quest past lvl50 and cp cap, another means to get to an end.
you obviously havent played the game much if you think skyshards are the only way to earn skill points after level 500 -
DeadlyPhoenix✭✭✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Like most things ESO, my view is that they should make account wide settings optional. I would never want to take anything away from players that want to treat their Alts differently, but picking up the same skyshard for the 10th, 12th or 15th time is no longer enjoyable in anyway.
Maybe make an option for when you first clear the 15 main zones of skyshards on one character that you can toggle those zones to be account wide. Not like you need all 405 skyshards (or whatever the number is) on every toon.
It wasn't enjoyable the first time around....
I mean literally skyshard/lorebook grinding wasn't fun at all... Playing the game regularly it would take ages to get all skyshards and lorebooks. I had maybe half of them collected by the time I hit vr14(max at the time) and I was taking my time with the game, exploring everything, searching everywhere.
After a while I decided I needed max mages guild and as many skill points as possible for passives since my main is also my crafter. It wasn't fun.
I can't even bring myself to do it on my alts because it was so painstakingly boring and tedious the first time through... They are just stuck with whatever skill points they happen along.2 -
AlnilamE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Alternative ways of earning skill points other than skyshards?
- 4-person dungeon quests? Check.
- PvP ranks? Check
- Quests? Check
If you already have a main character that is a crafter, the skill points you get via leveling plus a couple more in obtainable through your preferred activity are more than enough for a build.
Stop thinking that you need every skill point in the game for every character. You don't.The Moot Councillor0 -
Goshua✭✭✭✭Wait a moment. Isn't there a fallacy here,? Skyshards are not the only way to get more skill points, as some quests that you may not have done before L50 will still award them.
Leave the shards alone. Especially as changes made for the post-L50's will affect those below that level.
That would depend on how they implemented it, all hypothetical of course. If you're at CP cap instead of just accumulating cp you earn something towards skill points as well. There is a maximum number of skill points, I'm not suggesting replacing or changing anything existing methods.
I will put this another way, I would like to quest but why would I when skill points are your goal post cap and become more of an importance to you (to fully use your character) than further CP gains. So instead we blat about every zone to the next shard, ignore any quests that don't provide a skill point, doing each dungeon etc once at least.
I understand some people enjoy taking their alts through the game (Cadwell's gold as an example) and in doing that the skyshards become part of the game, all good.0 -
srfrogg23✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I now have a few alts. I’ve only ever made it a point to farm skill points on my main. The rest usually have enough skill points to fill out their builds from leveling and doing the main quest line, along with some zone quests and delves throughout the leveling process.
More than anything, I’m just not sure how exp would translate to skill points. It’s two totally different forms of currency.0 -
josiahva✭✭✭✭✭
✭leveling to 50 is pretty quick. If you've max CP then you left with chasing skyshards which is nothing more than a time sink and exercise for your mount.
If you have 1000's of quests available, have 800+ CP there no real point to doing them esp the ones that don't lead to a skill point themselves.
It would seem feasible to me to not only gain xp towards your next CP point but also some progress towards a skill point.
My point.. less shard chasing, provide an incentive to quest past lvl50 and cp cap, another means to get to an end.
umm, I would rather collect skyshards than do quests, unless you give me a vet-instanced zone where quests are something other than tedious in themselves.0 -
xaraan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No! Dang whipper-snappers!
Back in my day I walked uphill both ways in six feet of snow and I've leveled 15 characters, gotten all shards and done all silver/gold quests on all of them.
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karekiz✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Would be ok with after hitting level 50 all your skyshards are unlocked based on highest account. Same as CP.
Quests/book/guilds can still work the same /shrug.0 -
Sting864✭✭✭✭leveling to 50 is pretty quick. If you've max CP then you left with chasing skyshards which is nothing more than a time sink and exercise for your mount.
If you have 1000's of quests available, have 800+ CP there no real point to doing them esp the ones that don't lead to a skill point themselves.
It would seem feasible to me to not only gain xp towards your next CP point but also some progress towards a skill point.
My point.. less shard chasing, provide an incentive to quest past lvl50 and cp cap, another means to get to an end.
Hmmm... That's a valid question... But is "quick" what a game is for?? If the only reason you play ESO is to blast through content as fast as possible... then maybe an elegant MMO with premium content is not the best fit... Personally, exploration is a large part of the reason I play ESO... Of course there is no right or wrong way to play; but people who don't take the time to enjoy the content that ZOS works so hard to develop probably shouldn't complain about a lack of content...0 -
Goshua✭✭✭✭Would be ok with after hitting level 50 all your skyshards are unlocked based on highest account. Same as CP.
Quests/book/guilds can still work the same /shrug.
A possible compromise would be that all the skill points are available (inherited your highest skilled character) but you still have to earn them by whatever means.
Related I guess is ability and weapon xp, not something I think should be account based. In saying that doing quests that had a passive point to them would add an alternative to mob grinding forever and a day to level those as well.0 -
AlnilamE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Would be ok with after hitting level 50 all your skyshards are unlocked based on highest account. Same as CP.
Quests/book/guilds can still work the same /shrug.
CP is unlocked on your character at birth.
I personally don't assign CP to sub-50 characters, but that is a personal choice.The Moot Councillor1 -
Goshua✭✭✭✭Alternative ways of earning skill points other than skyshards?
- 4-person dungeon quests? Check.
- PvP ranks? Check
- Quests? Check
If you already have a main character that is a crafter, the skill points you get via leveling plus a couple more in obtainable through your preferred activity are more than enough for a build.
Stop thinking that you need every skill point in the game for every character. You don't.
not aiming for every skill point, asking for - suggesting an idea to encourage doing things other than the standard approach.
I mean, what are you earning if at cp cap, essentially nothing useful until that cap is increased.
as above..
If you're ahead of the cap its pretty easy to stay ahead of it even just pvp'ing or doing dailies there's is no incentive to continue with the bulk of PVE content unless you're chasing sets.
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radiostar✭✭✭✭✭
✭Agree with the suggestion for Alliance areas optional SS account wide. Have the war zones and dlc/chapter zones only available per character."Billions upon Billions of Stars"0 -
Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Like most things ESO, my view is that they should make account wide settings optional. I would never want to take anything away from players that want to treat their Alts differently, but picking up the same skyshard for the 10th, 12th or 15th time is no longer enjoyable in anyway.
Maybe make an option for when you first clear the 15 main zones of skyshards on one character that you can toggle those zones to be account wide. Not like you need all 405 skyshards (or whatever the number is) on every toon.
It wasn't enjoyable the first time around....
I mean literally skyshard/lorebook grinding wasn't fun at all... Playing the game regularly it would take ages to get all skyshards and lorebooks. I had maybe half of them collected by the time I hit vr14(max at the time) and I was taking my time with the game, exploring everything, searching everywhere.
After a while I decided I needed max mages guild and as many skill points as possible for passives since my main is also my crafter. It wasn't fun.
I can't even bring myself to do it on my alts because it was so painstakingly boring and tedious the first time through... They are just stuck with whatever skill points they happen along.
Ill respectfully disagree on that one. I played this game as a single player RPG for about a year. I did every quest and poked my nose in just about every nook and cranny in the first 15 zones. I remember getting very excited about finding skyshards, I didnt even use addons back them. When I finally installed the addon, I only had a handful that I had missed.
Fast forward to toons number 14 and 15, and please shoot me in the face.0 -
AlnilamE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Alternative ways of earning skill points other than skyshards?
- 4-person dungeon quests? Check.
- PvP ranks? Check
- Quests? Check
If you already have a main character that is a crafter, the skill points you get via leveling plus a couple more in obtainable through your preferred activity are more than enough for a build.
Stop thinking that you need every skill point in the game for every character. You don't.
not aiming for every skill point, asking for - suggesting an idea to encourage doing things other than the standard approach.
I mean, what are you earning if at cp cap, essentially nothing useful until that cap is increased.
as above..
If you're ahead of the cap its pretty easy to stay ahead of it even just pvp'ing or doing dailies there's is no incentive to continue with the bulk of PVE content unless you're chasing sets.
Well, I am above cap and have always been. The PvE content DOES give you skill points as I have pointed out above. I'm currently finishing the AD zone quests on my crafter so she will have enough skill points to learn Jewelcrafting.
By doing this PvE content I'm getting both Skill points AND CP. I don't think anything more than that is needed.The Moot Councillor0 -
SugaComa✭✭✭✭✭leveling to 50 is pretty quick. If you've max CP then you left with chasing skyshards which is nothing more than a time sink and exercise for your mount.
If you have 1000's of quests available, have 800+ CP there no real point to doing them esp the ones that don't lead to a skill point themselves.
It would seem feasible to me to not only gain xp towards your next CP point but also some progress towards a skill point.
My point.. less shard chasing, provide an incentive to quest past lvl50 and cp cap, another means to get to an end.
Linked characters ...
When creating a new character you are asked if you want to link it to a character that is already 160cp ... Selecting yes creates your new character at the same level as your CP character unlocks all the same number of skill points and achievements, as you can only play one character at a time you can now play the game unlocking any reliance achievements and skill points and collectables on either character
An added bonus the new character can play the overland content again earning gear at CP level and have all the overland scale to you CP making it more difficult and fun0 -
heaven13✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Alternative ways of earning skill points other than skyshards?
- 4-person dungeon quests? Check.
- PvP ranks? Check
- Quests? Check
If you already have a main character that is a crafter, the skill points you get via leveling plus a couple more in obtainable through your preferred activity are more than enough for a build.
Stop thinking that you need every skill point in the game for every character. You don't.
not aiming for every skill point, asking for - suggesting an idea to encourage doing things other than the standard approach.
I mean, what are you earning if at cp cap, essentially nothing useful until that cap is increased.
as above..
If you're ahead of the cap its pretty easy to stay ahead of it even just pvp'ing or doing dailies there's is no incentive to continue with the bulk of PVE content unless you're chasing sets.
Not sure I agree. I like questing and exploring. That doesn't change once I have a leveled main. I know it's not the same for everyone but making a blanket statement like "there's no incentive" is inaccurate. No incentive for you.PC/NAMountain God | Leave No Bone Unbroken | Apex Predator | Pure Lunacy | Depths Defier | No Rest for the Wicked | In Defiance of DeathMeet my characters :
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