It is kind of exciting to have to watch your back all the time. PVP does stand for 'player versus player' so I don't know why anyone would go to Cyrodiil and expect NOT to be attacked.

bongtokin420insd16 wrote: »

All I've been reading from SOME PvE players during this event is the above. Complaining about ganks, kills, ruining their box hunt, etc. Well, i'm here to add a dissenting opinion.

I had not hung out in Cyro for a while until this event. And you know what? I'm remembering why i liked it. Sure, the lag is thick sometimes, but so what? I enjoy watching the chat, looking at the map, studying the tactics being used, and learning how this works again on a grand scale. I learned specing for speed isn't such a waste lol as i've galavanted across the map, learned that not everyone is a jerk, and fed off the thrill of doing quests in an area where im in real danger. Lets face it, PvE content never really makes your blood run cold in fear, so the sensation is nice.

I'm not making excuses for the jerks that are out there ruining times for others, but i am here to say that from this PvE player's perspective (Say that five times fast) that it really hasn't been all bad, and you PvP experts take to much crap for just doing what it is you do. We are in your territory after all and you are there to kill us. You don't hide that fact. I could argue it is the best relationship ive ever had lol becuase the expectations are clear and up front.

Anyway, cheers. Not all of us despise and loathe you entirely. Some of us not even a little bit.

I agree with the exception that I bolded and added above. There are some very negative PvEers, absolutely but I think most are either neutral or supportive whilst not necessarily being interested in partaking.

I apologize. SOME is a good addition. Thank you, @DieAlteHexe

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bongtokin420insd16 wrote: »

I apologize. SOME is a good addition. Thank you, @DieAlteHexe

Just so that it's known we're not all foaming at the mouth against PvP.

Although sometimes, as I'm taking yet another dirt nap and bein' bagged, I'm tempted to get cranky.

Checkmath wrote: »

i actually would expect some tolerance due that it is an event and a good opportunity to get box rewards from the city quests. but there are guys, who absolutely are *** taking advantage of the situation and farm PvEers like stupid. i mean whats the point in farming them at the quest location? its not really an achievement to do so. nor will you get much AP from it, since there are several guys doing it and the AP you earn will be low, when you kill one player again and again. i cant even consider it fun, there is no challenge at all....
thats why i normally just leave questing guys be in cyrodiil, same with low-level players. it is just not fun to kill them....

As I said in my posting: none of the other players know that you are a pve player and not a pvp that will stick his dagger in their back in the next second. so better attack, before being attacked.

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

TarrNokk wrote: »

Checkmath wrote: »

i actually would expect some tolerance due that it is an event and a good opportunity to get box rewards from the city quests. but there are guys, who absolutely are *** taking advantage of the situation and farm PvEers like stupid. i mean whats the point in farming them at the quest location? its not really an achievement to do so. nor will you get much AP from it, since there are several guys doing it and the AP you earn will be low, when you kill one player again and again. i cant even consider it fun, there is no challenge at all....
thats why i normally just leave questing guys be in cyrodiil, same with low-level players. it is just not fun to kill them....

As I said in my posting: none of the other players know that you are a pve player and not a pvp that will stick his dagger in their back in the next second. so better attack, before being attacked.

Yeah, I might just smite thee with my mighty Fishing Pole o' Doom!

dirty.

Checkmath wrote: »

i actually would expect some tolerance due that it is an event and a good opportunity to get box rewards from the city quests. but there are guys, who absolutely are *** taking advantage of the situation and farm PvEers like stupid. i mean whats the point in farming them at the quest location? its not really an achievement to do so. nor will you get much AP from it, since there are several guys doing it and the AP you earn will be low, when you kill one player again and again. i cant even consider it fun, there is no challenge at all....
thats why i normally just leave questing guys be in cyrodiil, same with low-level players. it is just not fun to kill them....

Dailies

Specifically, player bounty dailies, you know "kill 20 <class or generic>"

It's not challenging, and it's not fun, but it's fast

Also, you do get achievements, specifically kill achievements "kill x templars" or "kill x argonians"

They are in the PvP section

Hope this clarifies
Have a nice day

Let me first tell you about one of the most beautiful things I ever saw in Cyrodiil/Imperial City. As a PvE player (in all games) I am not a competent PvP player at all and that naturally adds to my frustration with it. If it was not for myself hunting lorebooks to catch 'em all I would have never ventured into PvPLand as much as I now have. I know my limitations and PvP/dueling is simply not something I enjoy or master, but I digress:

Not long ago I spawned into an IC District and, skittish as I am in PvP, I quickly hid when I saw two enemy players below. They were of different factions and started dueling just as I spawned in - and it was spectacular to watch! I took several screenshots and watching them dance - both clearly highly talented - was a peek into a side of ESO PvP I have never seen before, and until that moment I had never wished I was skilled at dueling. The fight lasted for several minutes and had some close calls on both sides they miraculously recovered from. It was wonderful and exciting to witness, and it had me enthralled! ...until a group came along, jumped into the fight on one side and instantly destroyed the lone, outnumbered enemy player. The group steamrolled on, a single enemy player was dead on the ground and the other dueler stood defeated over his opponent's body. I assume this was not how either of the duelers wanted this fight to turn out. What had been a battle of wits and a display of skill was in a split second obliterated by a gank group.

While PvP quite likely contains the ultimate in skill, strategy and adaptability within their best players - it also contains the AP-farm gank guzzlers. You sadly do not notice the people that spot you and still choose to not engage you because you are clearly fishing or hunting lorebooks/questing. (I am certain I have many people to thank for NOT killing me.) But you DO notice the ones steamrolling through with safety in numbers, afk rezzers and pitching tents near quest hubs for the easy farm.

I do not think anyone minds being defeated in a fair fight by competent players, but with how the game is set up you are far better rewarded for repetitive farming than you are for displays of skill, and most of us can't really muster much respect for people hiding in houses waiting to ambush quest hand-ins. These interactions will for some be the most prominent encounters with the PvP crowd and it unfortunately leaves them with a skewed view of what the PvP community is actually like.

kyria.paganb16_ESO wrote: »

Let me first tell you about one of the most beautiful things I ever saw in Cyrodiil/Imperial City. As a PvE player (in all games) I am not a competent PvP player at all and that naturally adds to my frustration with it. If it was not for myself hunting lorebooks to catch 'em all I would have never ventured into PvPLand as much as I now have. I know my limitations and PvP/dueling is simply not something I enjoy or master, but I digress:

Not long ago I spawned into an IC District and, skittish as I am in PvP, I quickly hid when I saw two enemy players below. They were of different factions and started dueling just as I spawned in - and it was spectacular to watch! I took several screenshots and watching them dance - both clearly highly talented - was a peek into a side of ESO PvP I have never seen before, and until that moment I had never wished I was skilled at dueling. The fight lasted for several minutes and had some close calls on both sides they miraculously recovered from. It was wonderful and exciting to witness, and it had me enthralled! ...until a group came along, jumped into the fight on one side and instantly destroyed the lone, outnumbered enemy player. The group steamrolled on, a single enemy player was dead on the ground and the other dueler stood defeated over his opponent's body. I assume this was not how either of the duelers wanted this fight to turn out. What had been a battle of wits and a display of skill was in a split second obliterated by a gank group.

While PvP quite likely contains the ultimate in skill, strategy and adaptability within their best players - it also contains the AP-farm gank guzzlers. You sadly do not notice the people that spot you and still choose to not engage you because you are clearly fishing or hunting lorebooks/questing. (I am certain I have many people to thank for NOT killing me.) But you DO notice the ones steamrolling through with safety in numbers, afk rezzers and pitching tents near quest hubs for the easy farm.

I do not think anyone minds being defeated in a fair fight by competent players, but with how the game is set up you are far better rewarded for repetitive farming than you are for displays of skill, and most of us can't really muster much respect for people hiding in houses waiting to ambush quest hand-ins. These interactions will for some be the most prominent encounters with the PvP crowd and it unfortunately leaves them with a skewed view of what the PvP community is actually like.

Hit me ingame, if you have a free guild slot (@Aisle0)

When I played DAOC there was an RvR dungeon where all levels could go. There was no scaling there so if you were level 10 and went up against a 50 you'd be like all those animals you kill for meat and bait, even if 50 level tens attacked a level 50 they couldn't even hit him. But the rewards were worth the risk(sound familiar?).
There were people that went in there and specialized in killing lowbies, which they got nothing for other than to add to their kill count which gave them a coveted title for solo kills but a remarkably low realm point count due to greys(low levels conned grey to higher level players) being worth nothing. Then there were people like me who specialized in killing the 'grey gankers'. Neither of us were doing anything wrong, it was a PvP zone after all and red was dead as far as the game was concerned so you had to suck it up although the 'grey gankers' did have a very bad rep and tended to get griefed when they went out where the big boys and girls were.

If you don't want to die to another player then don't go into a PvP zone. Problem solved.

kyria.paganb16_ESO wrote: »

Not long ago I spawned into an IC District and, skittish as I am in PvP, I quickly hid when I saw two enemy players below. They were of different factions and started dueling just as I spawned in -

The group steamrolled on, a single enemy player was dead on the ground and the other dueler stood defeated over his opponent's body. I assume this was not how either of the duelers wanted this fight to turn out. What had been a battle of wits and a display of skill was in a split second obliterated by a gank group.

That's pretty much the norm in open world games like this. I don't know about here but when I played DAOC(basically the parent game of ESO) if you gained a rep as a top notch player that didn't do what was considered underhanded actions you'd often find the real PvP players, those that lived to just to PvP, would often leave you alone if they outnumbered you. Of course the zergs or casuals would just steamroll everyone in their hunger for the little RP they could gain. This however was considered by the game developer to be the right thing to do, dueling actually was discouraged and you could face punishments if caught doing it. It was kind of considered farming points, they wanted a big free for all going on which really was better for the game if you think about it since everyone, regardless of skill level or gear could participate.

I actually had a 1on1 that lasted 15 minutes, it was two classes that both had high defense, in combat heals(most classes didn't have self healing) and low damage. In the end we decided to just call it a draw and bug out before we got rolled since we weren't in that secluded of spot.

TarrNokk wrote: »

Checkmath wrote: »

i actually would expect some tolerance due that it is an event and a good opportunity to get box rewards from the city quests. but there are guys, who absolutely are *** taking advantage of the situation and farm PvEers like stupid. i mean whats the point in farming them at the quest location? its not really an achievement to do so. nor will you get much AP from it, since there are several guys doing it and the AP you earn will be low, when you kill one player again and again. i cant even consider it fun, there is no challenge at all....
thats why i normally just leave questing guys be in cyrodiil, same with low-level players. it is just not fun to kill them....

As I said in my posting: none of the other players know that you are a pve player and not a pvp that will stick his dagger in their back in the next second. so better attack, before being attacked.

The sudden appearance of a person who has dodged the town flag and is entering the daily quest house is a clue they are a pve event player.

Finishing your own conversation with the quest giver and discovering another faction player standing next to you is a clue they are a pve event player.

On a contested map, the presence of a color far away from their base and the ‘front lines’ such as a yellow in Bruma or a blue in cropsford is a hint they are hunting the dailies. It takes a while to horse it over to cropsford from a blue home keep, that person didnt leave behind all that ripe battlefield for no reason.

Blue, green or red orbs are a huge neon sign screaming pve player.

There are things that signal a player’s likely intent.

Cryptical wrote: »

TarrNokk wrote: »

Checkmath wrote: »

i actually would expect some tolerance due that it is an event and a good opportunity to get box rewards from the city quests. but there are guys, who absolutely are *** taking advantage of the situation and farm PvEers like stupid. i mean whats the point in farming them at the quest location? its not really an achievement to do so. nor will you get much AP from it, since there are several guys doing it and the AP you earn will be low, when you kill one player again and again. i cant even consider it fun, there is no challenge at all....
thats why i normally just leave questing guys be in cyrodiil, same with low-level players. it is just not fun to kill them....

As I said in my posting: none of the other players know that you are a pve player and not a pvp that will stick his dagger in their back in the next second. so better attack, before being attacked.

The sudden appearance of a person who has dodged the town flag and is entering the daily quest house is a clue they are a pve event player.

Finishing your own conversation with the quest giver and discovering another faction player standing next to you is a clue they are a pve event player.

On a contested map, the presence of a color far away from their base and the ‘front lines’ such as a yellow in Bruma or a blue in cropsford is a hint they are hunting the dailies. It takes a while to horse it over to cropsford from a blue home keep, that person didnt leave behind all that ripe battlefield for no reason.

Blue, green or red orbs are a huge neon sign screaming pve player.

There are things that signal a player’s likely intent.

None of them are guarantees that the likely PVE player won't stab us in the back.

Nor are they guarantees that they are PVE players. My PVP healer/DD wears Worm's Raiment even while solo, but isn't a soft target. I most certainly would hit back or team up with fellow EP if needed (while wearing my beloved Master Angler title to boot). So tell me again how PVPers can magically divine who is a PVP or a PVE player?

Personally, I realize someone's a PVE player when they are dead, because they were too squishy to be wearing impen armor or didnt know how to react to overwhelming burst damage like a PVPer would, but by then, they're already dead. And good riddance, because they were the enemy and I have no way of knowing their intentions, peaceful or not.

And even if I could figure out their PVE status, why should that matter? Its a player vs player zone. The risk from those PVP dailies is supposed to cone from enemy players -that's why they are so quick and easy.

This "I'm just a PVE player! You shouldn't kill me," Is nothing more than an excuse to get quick dailies without the risk of getting killed and wasting your time from enemy players when in fact that risk is the whole reason those dailies are quick and easy in the first place.