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Summerset Stamblade Khajiit builds.
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techprince✭✭✭✭✭Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »techprince wrote: »Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »techprince wrote: »Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »techprince wrote: »Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »techprince wrote: »Briarheart because its on dw bar. When i equip that on dw the effective damage value of the set wont drop as much as hundings. Hundings will drop around 40-50% of its weapon damage when equiped as weapons, while briarheart should only have a decrease of 10-20%. so the effective value of briarheart still will be above 200, while hundings drops below 200, to around 170-150. Since i am running VO with it, i want vo to be active at all times. But if you are going with WM stick with hundings active at all times.
That's really insightful !
But on the other hand, do we really need to max our mean weapon damage ?
I mean, whether we play War Machine or not, we will still do something like : refresh all DoTs from Back Bar then ult (about 35% of the time ?) then go back Main Bar and burst like crazy (Assassin's Will, Surprise Attack...). During that time, Weapon Damage is way more valuable than the weapon damage we have while we are on back bar, since we deal both the damage from BB DoTs, and Direct Damages.
I think Briarheart really depends WHEN it is triggered. I'll do the math for myself, but please correct it if I'm wrong somewhere, I'm not so good.
I'll go with my numbers (VO weapons + full-time Hunding) :
I'm 62% of the time MAIN BAR, which results in 70% of my total DPS.
I'm 38% of the time BACK BAR, which results in 30% of my total DPS.
(I do NOT count proc sets, since they are not empowered by weapon damage, and that's what we want to talk about.)
(The numbers on MAIN BAR are really high, but remember I'm way more often on main bar, and I run nightblade ultimate just before going back to main bar. Also, the finisher phase is a lot of time on the main bar.)
When we speak about Weapon Damage mean, of course, Hunding is only something like 180 WD since it's lost on back bar. But if we speak about total damage increase to DPS, it's 210.
Then, speaking of Briarheart, what really bugs me is the 15s cooldown.
A "perfect" nigthblade stam rotation would be close to 10-11s (for Endless Hail and Poison Injection uptime), and a "good" one can be about 12s (less efficient, but rely on Caltrops uptime). I'm personnally at about 12s (my priority goes management of Assassin's Will when it's up, and I often delay by 1s or so my coming back to back bar).
So, if we speak about a 10 or 12s rotation, it means that Briarheart WILL miss some procs. Let's see : if you proc Briarheart on 1st second on main bar, you'll have to way the 3rd second of the 2nd rotation for it to be again proccable. You have then a window of 4s to proc it. Fine. But you lost the 3 first second on main bar with no boosts. Then, next rotation : no window to proc it. And if you can by staying 1s more on main bar, the proc will basically be used while you are on back bar.
Overall, you will miss sometimes some proc and delay the time by which you can proc it by up to 5s. It would be great to see what is the overall time proc of this set (you say about 80-90% of the time, but is that really so on 6M practice target, when the fight last longer ?).
It would be really insightful to get the active time of Briarheart on both main bar and back bar.
briarheart is still bad if ur stam acuity war machine is the way to go.
as for OP having magika parse equally to you in raids will mean that they will replace you not be on equal grounds have fun being forced into a magika class if you want to continue to raid.
No, acuity is of less use on a nightblade or a khajiit.
Your far of base there. It's not as good on a khajit yes but very few ppl actually play stamblade khajit now anyways this doesn't matter. Despite that it is still better. I'd like some proof of it being bad or less effective. Because spreading misinformation doesn't help someone that's new to the game and wants to optimise there build for raids. Acuity out performs hundings in most scenarios and hundings outperforms briarheart pretty much always. Briarheart is in need of a buff to useable.
Its not "still better". I can reach up 97% crit chance with thief mundus and 87% crit chance without it, why the the *** would anyone with brains use acuity in this case? Like use common sense? Hundings will be consistent damage only if you keep it active on both bars. If not then briarheart wins as the proc carries over. So VO/WM+Briarheart with VO/WM active on both bars OR WM+Hundings with Hundings active on both bars perfoms higher on a khajiit nightblade.
Do some research, stop spreading wrong information.
Your using the thief mundus? Like if your going into your build doing what your doing yeah don't use acuity but for every one else your total off base. What kinda number do you hit with this setup seriously tho if your at or over 70k single tgt on rako tu and valerial then I'll concede and say your build has merit if not your gimping yourself on purpose. I'm not the one spreading inaccurate information here yo acuity wm or acuity vo is what ppl are using on stamblades atm if your a khajit stamblade you've already messed up there but even with that using acuity is still better.
"I am total off base" lul. Did i say i was using thief mundus? Are you drunk? I gave you real example of my crit chance with and without mundus and explained why acuity is horrible on a khajiit stamblade. This isnt rocket science, this is common sense which you seem to lack. By stating "khajiit nightblade is messed up" just proves you have no idea of the game itself and you are just being a sheep and following "meta" without thinking at all. And this thread is about Summerset builds and you are showing parses with sunderflame.... I guess you didn't read prePTS changes.
Read them and understood. I don't understand how I'm a sheep but what ever can you please link them sick deeps to prove me wrong all I want is proof and the reason you don't khajit stamblade or at least shouldn't is because the closer to a light weaving only rotation you can get equals higher damage. Khajit has no sustain benefit what so ever and is really only used with stamdks. If you can prove me wrong with actual evidence I'll concede and admit ignorance until then I assume you have no clue what your talking about. Also I linked that parse to show acuitys strength not the other sets I main a stamdk and I like to use buff sets to help out so if I had a personal pics of me doing 70 on a stamblade id share. I do have this videos a DO stam Blade pulling 80k single tgt in acuity and not a khajit. Enjoy
https://youtu.be/Hk7lPsPsNIo
Khajiit really only used with stam dk? +10% stam is "no sustain"? Wtf are you smoking?
Also,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfRgKwnIJe4
10.55 mark, according to you, even he doesn't know what he is talking about right?
Edited by techprince on April 8, 2018 4:24PM0 -
Zagnut123Zagnut123✭✭✭✭techprince wrote: »Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »techprince wrote: »Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »techprince wrote: »Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »techprince wrote: »Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »techprince wrote: »Briarheart because its on dw bar. When i equip that on dw the effective damage value of the set wont drop as much as hundings. Hundings will drop around 40-50% of its weapon damage when equiped as weapons, while briarheart should only have a decrease of 10-20%. so the effective value of briarheart still will be above 200, while hundings drops below 200, to around 170-150. Since i am running VO with it, i want vo to be active at all times. But if you are going with WM stick with hundings active at all times.
That's really insightful !
But on the other hand, do we really need to max our mean weapon damage ?
I mean, whether we play War Machine or not, we will still do something like : refresh all DoTs from Back Bar then ult (about 35% of the time ?) then go back Main Bar and burst like crazy (Assassin's Will, Surprise Attack...). During that time, Weapon Damage is way more valuable than the weapon damage we have while we are on back bar, since we deal both the damage from BB DoTs, and Direct Damages.
I think Briarheart really depends WHEN it is triggered. I'll do the math for myself, but please correct it if I'm wrong somewhere, I'm not so good.
I'll go with my numbers (VO weapons + full-time Hunding) :
I'm 62% of the time MAIN BAR, which results in 70% of my total DPS.
I'm 38% of the time BACK BAR, which results in 30% of my total DPS.
(I do NOT count proc sets, since they are not empowered by weapon damage, and that's what we want to talk about.)
(The numbers on MAIN BAR are really high, but remember I'm way more often on main bar, and I run nightblade ultimate just before going back to main bar. Also, the finisher phase is a lot of time on the main bar.)
When we speak about Weapon Damage mean, of course, Hunding is only something like 180 WD since it's lost on back bar. But if we speak about total damage increase to DPS, it's 210.
Then, speaking of Briarheart, what really bugs me is the 15s cooldown.
A "perfect" nigthblade stam rotation would be close to 10-11s (for Endless Hail and Poison Injection uptime), and a "good" one can be about 12s (less efficient, but rely on Caltrops uptime). I'm personnally at about 12s (my priority goes management of Assassin's Will when it's up, and I often delay by 1s or so my coming back to back bar).
So, if we speak about a 10 or 12s rotation, it means that Briarheart WILL miss some procs. Let's see : if you proc Briarheart on 1st second on main bar, you'll have to way the 3rd second of the 2nd rotation for it to be again proccable. You have then a window of 4s to proc it. Fine. But you lost the 3 first second on main bar with no boosts. Then, next rotation : no window to proc it. And if you can by staying 1s more on main bar, the proc will basically be used while you are on back bar.
Overall, you will miss sometimes some proc and delay the time by which you can proc it by up to 5s. It would be great to see what is the overall time proc of this set (you say about 80-90% of the time, but is that really so on 6M practice target, when the fight last longer ?).
It would be really insightful to get the active time of Briarheart on both main bar and back bar.
briarheart is still bad if ur stam acuity war machine is the way to go.
as for OP having magika parse equally to you in raids will mean that they will replace you not be on equal grounds have fun being forced into a magika class if you want to continue to raid.
No, acuity is of less use on a nightblade or a khajiit.
Your far of base there. It's not as good on a khajit yes but very few ppl actually play stamblade khajit now anyways this doesn't matter. Despite that it is still better. I'd like some proof of it being bad or less effective. Because spreading misinformation doesn't help someone that's new to the game and wants to optimise there build for raids. Acuity out performs hundings in most scenarios and hundings outperforms briarheart pretty much always. Briarheart is in need of a buff to useable.
Its not "still better". I can reach up 97% crit chance with thief mundus and 87% crit chance without it, why the the *** would anyone with brains use acuity in this case? Like use common sense? Hundings will be consistent damage only if you keep it active on both bars. If not then briarheart wins as the proc carries over. So VO/WM+Briarheart with VO/WM active on both bars OR WM+Hundings with Hundings active on both bars perfoms higher on a khajiit nightblade.
Do some research, stop spreading wrong information.
Your using the thief mundus? Like if your going into your build doing what your doing yeah don't use acuity but for every one else your total off base. What kinda number do you hit with this setup seriously tho if your at or over 70k single tgt on rako tu and valerial then I'll concede and say your build has merit if not your gimping yourself on purpose. I'm not the one spreading inaccurate information here yo acuity wm or acuity vo is what ppl are using on stamblades atm if your a khajit stamblade you've already messed up there but even with that using acuity is still better.
"I am total off base" lul. Did i say i was using thief mundus? Are you drunk? I gave you real example of my crit chance with and without mundus and explained why acuity is horrible on a khajiit stamblade. This isnt rocket science, this is common sense which you seem to lack. By stating "khajiit nightblade is messed up" just proves you have no idea of the game itself and you are just being a sheep and following "meta" without thinking at all. And this thread is about Summerset builds and you are showing parses with sunderflame.... I guess you didn't read prePTS changes.
Read them and understood. I don't understand how I'm a sheep but what ever can you please link them sick deeps to prove me wrong all I want is proof and the reason you don't khajit stamblade or at least shouldn't is because the closer to a light weaving only rotation you can get equals higher damage. Khajit has no sustain benefit what so ever and is really only used with stamdks. If you can prove me wrong with actual evidence I'll concede and admit ignorance until then I assume you have no clue what your talking about. Also I linked that parse to show acuitys strength not the other sets I main a stamdk and I like to use buff sets to help out so if I had a personal pics of me doing 70 on a stamblade id share. I do have this videos a DO stam Blade pulling 80k single tgt in acuity and not a khajit. Enjoyhttps://youtu.be/Hk7lPsPsNIo
Khajiit really only used with stam dk? +10% stam is "no sustain"? Wtf are you smoking?
please provide proof.0 -
techprince✭✭✭✭✭Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »techprince wrote: »Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »techprince wrote: »Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »techprince wrote: »Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »techprince wrote: »Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »techprince wrote: »Briarheart because its on dw bar. When i equip that on dw the effective damage value of the set wont drop as much as hundings. Hundings will drop around 40-50% of its weapon damage when equiped as weapons, while briarheart should only have a decrease of 10-20%. so the effective value of briarheart still will be above 200, while hundings drops below 200, to around 170-150. Since i am running VO with it, i want vo to be active at all times. But if you are going with WM stick with hundings active at all times.
That's really insightful !
But on the other hand, do we really need to max our mean weapon damage ?
I mean, whether we play War Machine or not, we will still do something like : refresh all DoTs from Back Bar then ult (about 35% of the time ?) then go back Main Bar and burst like crazy (Assassin's Will, Surprise Attack...). During that time, Weapon Damage is way more valuable than the weapon damage we have while we are on back bar, since we deal both the damage from BB DoTs, and Direct Damages.
I think Briarheart really depends WHEN it is triggered. I'll do the math for myself, but please correct it if I'm wrong somewhere, I'm not so good.
I'll go with my numbers (VO weapons + full-time Hunding) :
I'm 62% of the time MAIN BAR, which results in 70% of my total DPS.
I'm 38% of the time BACK BAR, which results in 30% of my total DPS.
(I do NOT count proc sets, since they are not empowered by weapon damage, and that's what we want to talk about.)
(The numbers on MAIN BAR are really high, but remember I'm way more often on main bar, and I run nightblade ultimate just before going back to main bar. Also, the finisher phase is a lot of time on the main bar.)
When we speak about Weapon Damage mean, of course, Hunding is only something like 180 WD since it's lost on back bar. But if we speak about total damage increase to DPS, it's 210.
Then, speaking of Briarheart, what really bugs me is the 15s cooldown.
A "perfect" nigthblade stam rotation would be close to 10-11s (for Endless Hail and Poison Injection uptime), and a "good" one can be about 12s (less efficient, but rely on Caltrops uptime). I'm personnally at about 12s (my priority goes management of Assassin's Will when it's up, and I often delay by 1s or so my coming back to back bar).
So, if we speak about a 10 or 12s rotation, it means that Briarheart WILL miss some procs. Let's see : if you proc Briarheart on 1st second on main bar, you'll have to way the 3rd second of the 2nd rotation for it to be again proccable. You have then a window of 4s to proc it. Fine. But you lost the 3 first second on main bar with no boosts. Then, next rotation : no window to proc it. And if you can by staying 1s more on main bar, the proc will basically be used while you are on back bar.
Overall, you will miss sometimes some proc and delay the time by which you can proc it by up to 5s. It would be great to see what is the overall time proc of this set (you say about 80-90% of the time, but is that really so on 6M practice target, when the fight last longer ?).
It would be really insightful to get the active time of Briarheart on both main bar and back bar.
briarheart is still bad if ur stam acuity war machine is the way to go.
as for OP having magika parse equally to you in raids will mean that they will replace you not be on equal grounds have fun being forced into a magika class if you want to continue to raid.
No, acuity is of less use on a nightblade or a khajiit.
Your far of base there. It's not as good on a khajit yes but very few ppl actually play stamblade khajit now anyways this doesn't matter. Despite that it is still better. I'd like some proof of it being bad or less effective. Because spreading misinformation doesn't help someone that's new to the game and wants to optimise there build for raids. Acuity out performs hundings in most scenarios and hundings outperforms briarheart pretty much always. Briarheart is in need of a buff to useable.
Its not "still better". I can reach up 97% crit chance with thief mundus and 87% crit chance without it, why the the *** would anyone with brains use acuity in this case? Like use common sense? Hundings will be consistent damage only if you keep it active on both bars. If not then briarheart wins as the proc carries over. So VO/WM+Briarheart with VO/WM active on both bars OR WM+Hundings with Hundings active on both bars perfoms higher on a khajiit nightblade.
Do some research, stop spreading wrong information.
Your using the thief mundus? Like if your going into your build doing what your doing yeah don't use acuity but for every one else your total off base. What kinda number do you hit with this setup seriously tho if your at or over 70k single tgt on rako tu and valerial then I'll concede and say your build has merit if not your gimping yourself on purpose. I'm not the one spreading inaccurate information here yo acuity wm or acuity vo is what ppl are using on stamblades atm if your a khajit stamblade you've already messed up there but even with that using acuity is still better.
"I am total off base" lul. Did i say i was using thief mundus? Are you drunk? I gave you real example of my crit chance with and without mundus and explained why acuity is horrible on a khajiit stamblade. This isnt rocket science, this is common sense which you seem to lack. By stating "khajiit nightblade is messed up" just proves you have no idea of the game itself and you are just being a sheep and following "meta" without thinking at all. And this thread is about Summerset builds and you are showing parses with sunderflame.... I guess you didn't read prePTS changes.
Read them and understood. I don't understand how I'm a sheep but what ever can you please link them sick deeps to prove me wrong all I want is proof and the reason you don't khajit stamblade or at least shouldn't is because the closer to a light weaving only rotation you can get equals higher damage. Khajit has no sustain benefit what so ever and is really only used with stamdks. If you can prove me wrong with actual evidence I'll concede and admit ignorance until then I assume you have no clue what your talking about. Also I linked that parse to show acuitys strength not the other sets I main a stamdk and I like to use buff sets to help out so if I had a personal pics of me doing 70 on a stamblade id share. I do have this videos a DO stam Blade pulling 80k single tgt in acuity and not a khajit. Enjoyhttps://youtu.be/Hk7lPsPsNIo
Khajiit really only used with stam dk? +10% stam is "no sustain"? Wtf are you smoking?
please provide proof.
See the edited post above. AGAIN, Stop spreading misinformation.Edited by techprince on April 8, 2018 4:29PM0 -
Zagnut123Zagnut123✭✭✭✭techprince wrote: »Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »techprince wrote: »Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »techprince wrote: »Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »techprince wrote: »Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »techprince wrote: »Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »techprince wrote: »Briarheart because its on dw bar. When i equip that on dw the effective damage value of the set wont drop as much as hundings. Hundings will drop around 40-50% of its weapon damage when equiped as weapons, while briarheart should only have a decrease of 10-20%. so the effective value of briarheart still will be above 200, while hundings drops below 200, to around 170-150. Since i am running VO with it, i want vo to be active at all times. But if you are going with WM stick with hundings active at all times.
That's really insightful !
But on the other hand, do we really need to max our mean weapon damage ?
I mean, whether we play War Machine or not, we will still do something like : refresh all DoTs from Back Bar then ult (about 35% of the time ?) then go back Main Bar and burst like crazy (Assassin's Will, Surprise Attack...). During that time, Weapon Damage is way more valuable than the weapon damage we have while we are on back bar, since we deal both the damage from BB DoTs, and Direct Damages.
I think Briarheart really depends WHEN it is triggered. I'll do the math for myself, but please correct it if I'm wrong somewhere, I'm not so good.
I'll go with my numbers (VO weapons + full-time Hunding) :
I'm 62% of the time MAIN BAR, which results in 70% of my total DPS.
I'm 38% of the time BACK BAR, which results in 30% of my total DPS.
(I do NOT count proc sets, since they are not empowered by weapon damage, and that's what we want to talk about.)
(The numbers on MAIN BAR are really high, but remember I'm way more often on main bar, and I run nightblade ultimate just before going back to main bar. Also, the finisher phase is a lot of time on the main bar.)
When we speak about Weapon Damage mean, of course, Hunding is only something like 180 WD since it's lost on back bar. But if we speak about total damage increase to DPS, it's 210.
Then, speaking of Briarheart, what really bugs me is the 15s cooldown.
A "perfect" nigthblade stam rotation would be close to 10-11s (for Endless Hail and Poison Injection uptime), and a "good" one can be about 12s (less efficient, but rely on Caltrops uptime). I'm personnally at about 12s (my priority goes management of Assassin's Will when it's up, and I often delay by 1s or so my coming back to back bar).
So, if we speak about a 10 or 12s rotation, it means that Briarheart WILL miss some procs. Let's see : if you proc Briarheart on 1st second on main bar, you'll have to way the 3rd second of the 2nd rotation for it to be again proccable. You have then a window of 4s to proc it. Fine. But you lost the 3 first second on main bar with no boosts. Then, next rotation : no window to proc it. And if you can by staying 1s more on main bar, the proc will basically be used while you are on back bar.
Overall, you will miss sometimes some proc and delay the time by which you can proc it by up to 5s. It would be great to see what is the overall time proc of this set (you say about 80-90% of the time, but is that really so on 6M practice target, when the fight last longer ?).
It would be really insightful to get the active time of Briarheart on both main bar and back bar.
briarheart is still bad if ur stam acuity war machine is the way to go.
as for OP having magika parse equally to you in raids will mean that they will replace you not be on equal grounds have fun being forced into a magika class if you want to continue to raid.
No, acuity is of less use on a nightblade or a khajiit.
Your far of base there. It's not as good on a khajit yes but very few ppl actually play stamblade khajit now anyways this doesn't matter. Despite that it is still better. I'd like some proof of it being bad or less effective. Because spreading misinformation doesn't help someone that's new to the game and wants to optimise there build for raids. Acuity out performs hundings in most scenarios and hundings outperforms briarheart pretty much always. Briarheart is in need of a buff to useable.
Its not "still better". I can reach up 97% crit chance with thief mundus and 87% crit chance without it, why the the *** would anyone with brains use acuity in this case? Like use common sense? Hundings will be consistent damage only if you keep it active on both bars. If not then briarheart wins as the proc carries over. So VO/WM+Briarheart with VO/WM active on both bars OR WM+Hundings with Hundings active on both bars perfoms higher on a khajiit nightblade.
Do some research, stop spreading wrong information.
Your using the thief mundus? Like if your going into your build doing what your doing yeah don't use acuity but for every one else your total off base. What kinda number do you hit with this setup seriously tho if your at or over 70k single tgt on rako tu and valerial then I'll concede and say your build has merit if not your gimping yourself on purpose. I'm not the one spreading inaccurate information here yo acuity wm or acuity vo is what ppl are using on stamblades atm if your a khajit stamblade you've already messed up there but even with that using acuity is still better.
"I am total off base" lul. Did i say i was using thief mundus? Are you drunk? I gave you real example of my crit chance with and without mundus and explained why acuity is horrible on a khajiit stamblade. This isnt rocket science, this is common sense which you seem to lack. By stating "khajiit nightblade is messed up" just proves you have no idea of the game itself and you are just being a sheep and following "meta" without thinking at all. And this thread is about Summerset builds and you are showing parses with sunderflame.... I guess you didn't read prePTS changes.
Read them and understood. I don't understand how I'm a sheep but what ever can you please link them sick deeps to prove me wrong all I want is proof and the reason you don't khajit stamblade or at least shouldn't is because the closer to a light weaving only rotation you can get equals higher damage. Khajit has no sustain benefit what so ever and is really only used with stamdks. If you can prove me wrong with actual evidence I'll concede and admit ignorance until then I assume you have no clue what your talking about. Also I linked that parse to show acuitys strength not the other sets I main a stamdk and I like to use buff sets to help out so if I had a personal pics of me doing 70 on a stamblade id share. I do have this videos a DO stam Blade pulling 80k single tgt in acuity and not a khajit. Enjoyhttps://youtu.be/Hk7lPsPsNIo
Khajiit really only used with stam dk? +10% stam is "no sustain"? Wtf are you smoking?
please provide proof.
See the edited post above. AGAIN, Stop spreading misinformation.
were does he say khajit nb is bis? also he says it takes skill to run properly wich i never said it was super easy to pick up and use so not sure what were he say it isnt bis he just cautions it as not being beginer friendly and it isnt. i appreciate his service to the community and everything but whens the last time giliam seriously raided? a year ago when order of mundus imploded. the information im giving is tested in raid with some of best players on pc na so ill still defer to were are your parses to back up your claims1 -
techprince✭✭✭✭✭Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »techprince wrote: »Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »techprince wrote: »Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »techprince wrote: »Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »techprince wrote: »Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »techprince wrote: »Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »techprince wrote: »Briarheart because its on dw bar. When i equip that on dw the effective damage value of the set wont drop as much as hundings. Hundings will drop around 40-50% of its weapon damage when equiped as weapons, while briarheart should only have a decrease of 10-20%. so the effective value of briarheart still will be above 200, while hundings drops below 200, to around 170-150. Since i am running VO with it, i want vo to be active at all times. But if you are going with WM stick with hundings active at all times.
That's really insightful !
But on the other hand, do we really need to max our mean weapon damage ?
I mean, whether we play War Machine or not, we will still do something like : refresh all DoTs from Back Bar then ult (about 35% of the time ?) then go back Main Bar and burst like crazy (Assassin's Will, Surprise Attack...). During that time, Weapon Damage is way more valuable than the weapon damage we have while we are on back bar, since we deal both the damage from BB DoTs, and Direct Damages.
I think Briarheart really depends WHEN it is triggered. I'll do the math for myself, but please correct it if I'm wrong somewhere, I'm not so good.
I'll go with my numbers (VO weapons + full-time Hunding) :
I'm 62% of the time MAIN BAR, which results in 70% of my total DPS.
I'm 38% of the time BACK BAR, which results in 30% of my total DPS.
(I do NOT count proc sets, since they are not empowered by weapon damage, and that's what we want to talk about.)
(The numbers on MAIN BAR are really high, but remember I'm way more often on main bar, and I run nightblade ultimate just before going back to main bar. Also, the finisher phase is a lot of time on the main bar.)
When we speak about Weapon Damage mean, of course, Hunding is only something like 180 WD since it's lost on back bar. But if we speak about total damage increase to DPS, it's 210.
Then, speaking of Briarheart, what really bugs me is the 15s cooldown.
A "perfect" nigthblade stam rotation would be close to 10-11s (for Endless Hail and Poison Injection uptime), and a "good" one can be about 12s (less efficient, but rely on Caltrops uptime). I'm personnally at about 12s (my priority goes management of Assassin's Will when it's up, and I often delay by 1s or so my coming back to back bar).
So, if we speak about a 10 or 12s rotation, it means that Briarheart WILL miss some procs. Let's see : if you proc Briarheart on 1st second on main bar, you'll have to way the 3rd second of the 2nd rotation for it to be again proccable. You have then a window of 4s to proc it. Fine. But you lost the 3 first second on main bar with no boosts. Then, next rotation : no window to proc it. And if you can by staying 1s more on main bar, the proc will basically be used while you are on back bar.
Overall, you will miss sometimes some proc and delay the time by which you can proc it by up to 5s. It would be great to see what is the overall time proc of this set (you say about 80-90% of the time, but is that really so on 6M practice target, when the fight last longer ?).
It would be really insightful to get the active time of Briarheart on both main bar and back bar.
briarheart is still bad if ur stam acuity war machine is the way to go.
as for OP having magika parse equally to you in raids will mean that they will replace you not be on equal grounds have fun being forced into a magika class if you want to continue to raid.
No, acuity is of less use on a nightblade or a khajiit.
Your far of base there. It's not as good on a khajit yes but very few ppl actually play stamblade khajit now anyways this doesn't matter. Despite that it is still better. I'd like some proof of it being bad or less effective. Because spreading misinformation doesn't help someone that's new to the game and wants to optimise there build for raids. Acuity out performs hundings in most scenarios and hundings outperforms briarheart pretty much always. Briarheart is in need of a buff to useable.
Its not "still better". I can reach up 97% crit chance with thief mundus and 87% crit chance without it, why the the *** would anyone with brains use acuity in this case? Like use common sense? Hundings will be consistent damage only if you keep it active on both bars. If not then briarheart wins as the proc carries over. So VO/WM+Briarheart with VO/WM active on both bars OR WM+Hundings with Hundings active on both bars perfoms higher on a khajiit nightblade.
Do some research, stop spreading wrong information.
Your using the thief mundus? Like if your going into your build doing what your doing yeah don't use acuity but for every one else your total off base. What kinda number do you hit with this setup seriously tho if your at or over 70k single tgt on rako tu and valerial then I'll concede and say your build has merit if not your gimping yourself on purpose. I'm not the one spreading inaccurate information here yo acuity wm or acuity vo is what ppl are using on stamblades atm if your a khajit stamblade you've already messed up there but even with that using acuity is still better.
"I am total off base" lul. Did i say i was using thief mundus? Are you drunk? I gave you real example of my crit chance with and without mundus and explained why acuity is horrible on a khajiit stamblade. This isnt rocket science, this is common sense which you seem to lack. By stating "khajiit nightblade is messed up" just proves you have no idea of the game itself and you are just being a sheep and following "meta" without thinking at all. And this thread is about Summerset builds and you are showing parses with sunderflame.... I guess you didn't read prePTS changes.
Read them and understood. I don't understand how I'm a sheep but what ever can you please link them sick deeps to prove me wrong all I want is proof and the reason you don't khajit stamblade or at least shouldn't is because the closer to a light weaving only rotation you can get equals higher damage. Khajit has no sustain benefit what so ever and is really only used with stamdks. If you can prove me wrong with actual evidence I'll concede and admit ignorance until then I assume you have no clue what your talking about. Also I linked that parse to show acuitys strength not the other sets I main a stamdk and I like to use buff sets to help out so if I had a personal pics of me doing 70 on a stamblade id share. I do have this videos a DO stam Blade pulling 80k single tgt in acuity and not a khajit. Enjoyhttps://youtu.be/Hk7lPsPsNIo
Khajiit really only used with stam dk? +10% stam is "no sustain"? Wtf are you smoking?
please provide proof.
See the edited post above. AGAIN, Stop spreading misinformation.
were does he say khajit nb is bis? also he says it takes skill to run properly wich i never said it was super easy to pick up and use so not sure what were he say it isnt bis he just cautions it as not being beginer friendly and it isnt. i appreciate his service to the community and everything but whens the last time giliam seriously raided? a year ago when order of mundus imploded. the information im giving is tested in raid with some of best players on pc na so ill still defer to were are your parses to back up your claims
Who the f said Khajiit is BIS for NB in this entire thread? show me. @Gilliamtherogue, i would like you chime in as players like this will keep common sense behind and they will continue spreading misinformation.
Like really, senseless posts telling a stam nightblade having min of 87% crit chance to run acuity lol....Edited by techprince on April 8, 2018 4:59PM1 -
Zagnut123Zagnut123✭✭✭✭techprince wrote: »Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »techprince wrote: »Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »techprince wrote: »Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »techprince wrote: »Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »techprince wrote: »Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »techprince wrote: »Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »techprince wrote: »Briarheart because its on dw bar. When i equip that on dw the effective damage value of the set wont drop as much as hundings. Hundings will drop around 40-50% of its weapon damage when equiped as weapons, while briarheart should only have a decrease of 10-20%. so the effective value of briarheart still will be above 200, while hundings drops below 200, to around 170-150. Since i am running VO with it, i want vo to be active at all times. But if you are going with WM stick with hundings active at all times.
That's really insightful !
But on the other hand, do we really need to max our mean weapon damage ?
I mean, whether we play War Machine or not, we will still do something like : refresh all DoTs from Back Bar then ult (about 35% of the time ?) then go back Main Bar and burst like crazy (Assassin's Will, Surprise Attack...). During that time, Weapon Damage is way more valuable than the weapon damage we have while we are on back bar, since we deal both the damage from BB DoTs, and Direct Damages.
I think Briarheart really depends WHEN it is triggered. I'll do the math for myself, but please correct it if I'm wrong somewhere, I'm not so good.
I'll go with my numbers (VO weapons + full-time Hunding) :
I'm 62% of the time MAIN BAR, which results in 70% of my total DPS.
I'm 38% of the time BACK BAR, which results in 30% of my total DPS.
(I do NOT count proc sets, since they are not empowered by weapon damage, and that's what we want to talk about.)
(The numbers on MAIN BAR are really high, but remember I'm way more often on main bar, and I run nightblade ultimate just before going back to main bar. Also, the finisher phase is a lot of time on the main bar.)
When we speak about Weapon Damage mean, of course, Hunding is only something like 180 WD since it's lost on back bar. But if we speak about total damage increase to DPS, it's 210.
Then, speaking of Briarheart, what really bugs me is the 15s cooldown.
A "perfect" nigthblade stam rotation would be close to 10-11s (for Endless Hail and Poison Injection uptime), and a "good" one can be about 12s (less efficient, but rely on Caltrops uptime). I'm personnally at about 12s (my priority goes management of Assassin's Will when it's up, and I often delay by 1s or so my coming back to back bar).
So, if we speak about a 10 or 12s rotation, it means that Briarheart WILL miss some procs. Let's see : if you proc Briarheart on 1st second on main bar, you'll have to way the 3rd second of the 2nd rotation for it to be again proccable. You have then a window of 4s to proc it. Fine. But you lost the 3 first second on main bar with no boosts. Then, next rotation : no window to proc it. And if you can by staying 1s more on main bar, the proc will basically be used while you are on back bar.
Overall, you will miss sometimes some proc and delay the time by which you can proc it by up to 5s. It would be great to see what is the overall time proc of this set (you say about 80-90% of the time, but is that really so on 6M practice target, when the fight last longer ?).
It would be really insightful to get the active time of Briarheart on both main bar and back bar.
briarheart is still bad if ur stam acuity war machine is the way to go.
as for OP having magika parse equally to you in raids will mean that they will replace you not be on equal grounds have fun being forced into a magika class if you want to continue to raid.
No, acuity is of less use on a nightblade or a khajiit.
Your far of base there. It's not as good on a khajit yes but very few ppl actually play stamblade khajit now anyways this doesn't matter. Despite that it is still better. I'd like some proof of it being bad or less effective. Because spreading misinformation doesn't help someone that's new to the game and wants to optimise there build for raids. Acuity out performs hundings in most scenarios and hundings outperforms briarheart pretty much always. Briarheart is in need of a buff to useable.
Its not "still better". I can reach up 97% crit chance with thief mundus and 87% crit chance without it, why the the *** would anyone with brains use acuity in this case? Like use common sense? Hundings will be consistent damage only if you keep it active on both bars. If not then briarheart wins as the proc carries over. So VO/WM+Briarheart with VO/WM active on both bars OR WM+Hundings with Hundings active on both bars perfoms higher on a khajiit nightblade.
Do some research, stop spreading wrong information.
Your using the thief mundus? Like if your going into your build doing what your doing yeah don't use acuity but for every one else your total off base. What kinda number do you hit with this setup seriously tho if your at or over 70k single tgt on rako tu and valerial then I'll concede and say your build has merit if not your gimping yourself on purpose. I'm not the one spreading inaccurate information here yo acuity wm or acuity vo is what ppl are using on stamblades atm if your a khajit stamblade you've already messed up there but even with that using acuity is still better.
"I am total off base" lul. Did i say i was using thief mundus? Are you drunk? I gave you real example of my crit chance with and without mundus and explained why acuity is horrible on a khajiit stamblade. This isnt rocket science, this is common sense which you seem to lack. By stating "khajiit nightblade is messed up" just proves you have no idea of the game itself and you are just being a sheep and following "meta" without thinking at all. And this thread is about Summerset builds and you are showing parses with sunderflame.... I guess you didn't read prePTS changes.
Read them and understood. I don't understand how I'm a sheep but what ever can you please link them sick deeps to prove me wrong all I want is proof and the reason you don't khajit stamblade or at least shouldn't is because the closer to a light weaving only rotation you can get equals higher damage. Khajit has no sustain benefit what so ever and is really only used with stamdks. If you can prove me wrong with actual evidence I'll concede and admit ignorance until then I assume you have no clue what your talking about. Also I linked that parse to show acuitys strength not the other sets I main a stamdk and I like to use buff sets to help out so if I had a personal pics of me doing 70 on a stamblade id share. I do have this videos a DO stam Blade pulling 80k single tgt in acuity and not a khajit. Enjoyhttps://youtu.be/Hk7lPsPsNIo
Khajiit really only used with stam dk? +10% stam is "no sustain"? Wtf are you smoking?
please provide proof.
See the edited post above. AGAIN, Stop spreading misinformation.
were does he say khajit nb is bis? also he says it takes skill to run properly wich i never said it was super easy to pick up and use so not sure what were he say it isnt bis he just cautions it as not being beginer friendly and it isnt. i appreciate his service to the community and everything but whens the last time giliam seriously raided? a year ago when order of mundus imploded. the information im giving is tested in raid with some of best players on pc na so ill still defer to were are your parses to back up your claims
Who the f said Khajiit is BIS for NB in this entire thread? show me. @Gilliamtherogue, i would like you chime in as players like this will keep common sense behind and they will continue spreading misinformation.
youve brought it up at least once. i made the dtatement they arent optimal on stamblades then you went on about about how me saying khajit night blade being suboptimal proves i know nothing about the game, i was speaking to the point that most end game raiders use redgaurd on stamblades and they do in fact use acuity and war machine. there are fights that war machine hundings performs better but i honestly dont care at this point to explain to you. are you pc na if so what guilds are you in id like to know were your getting your wealth of knowledge.0 -
techprince✭✭✭✭✭Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »techprince wrote: »Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »techprince wrote: »Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »techprince wrote: »Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »techprince wrote: »Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »techprince wrote: »Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »techprince wrote: »Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »techprince wrote: »Briarheart because its on dw bar. When i equip that on dw the effective damage value of the set wont drop as much as hundings. Hundings will drop around 40-50% of its weapon damage when equiped as weapons, while briarheart should only have a decrease of 10-20%. so the effective value of briarheart still will be above 200, while hundings drops below 200, to around 170-150. Since i am running VO with it, i want vo to be active at all times. But if you are going with WM stick with hundings active at all times.
That's really insightful !
But on the other hand, do we really need to max our mean weapon damage ?
I mean, whether we play War Machine or not, we will still do something like : refresh all DoTs from Back Bar then ult (about 35% of the time ?) then go back Main Bar and burst like crazy (Assassin's Will, Surprise Attack...). During that time, Weapon Damage is way more valuable than the weapon damage we have while we are on back bar, since we deal both the damage from BB DoTs, and Direct Damages.
I think Briarheart really depends WHEN it is triggered. I'll do the math for myself, but please correct it if I'm wrong somewhere, I'm not so good.
I'll go with my numbers (VO weapons + full-time Hunding) :
I'm 62% of the time MAIN BAR, which results in 70% of my total DPS.
I'm 38% of the time BACK BAR, which results in 30% of my total DPS.
(I do NOT count proc sets, since they are not empowered by weapon damage, and that's what we want to talk about.)
(The numbers on MAIN BAR are really high, but remember I'm way more often on main bar, and I run nightblade ultimate just before going back to main bar. Also, the finisher phase is a lot of time on the main bar.)
When we speak about Weapon Damage mean, of course, Hunding is only something like 180 WD since it's lost on back bar. But if we speak about total damage increase to DPS, it's 210.
Then, speaking of Briarheart, what really bugs me is the 15s cooldown.
A "perfect" nigthblade stam rotation would be close to 10-11s (for Endless Hail and Poison Injection uptime), and a "good" one can be about 12s (less efficient, but rely on Caltrops uptime). I'm personnally at about 12s (my priority goes management of Assassin's Will when it's up, and I often delay by 1s or so my coming back to back bar).
So, if we speak about a 10 or 12s rotation, it means that Briarheart WILL miss some procs. Let's see : if you proc Briarheart on 1st second on main bar, you'll have to way the 3rd second of the 2nd rotation for it to be again proccable. You have then a window of 4s to proc it. Fine. But you lost the 3 first second on main bar with no boosts. Then, next rotation : no window to proc it. And if you can by staying 1s more on main bar, the proc will basically be used while you are on back bar.
Overall, you will miss sometimes some proc and delay the time by which you can proc it by up to 5s. It would be great to see what is the overall time proc of this set (you say about 80-90% of the time, but is that really so on 6M practice target, when the fight last longer ?).
It would be really insightful to get the active time of Briarheart on both main bar and back bar.
briarheart is still bad if ur stam acuity war machine is the way to go.
as for OP having magika parse equally to you in raids will mean that they will replace you not be on equal grounds have fun being forced into a magika class if you want to continue to raid.
No, acuity is of less use on a nightblade or a khajiit.
Your far of base there. It's not as good on a khajit yes but very few ppl actually play stamblade khajit now anyways this doesn't matter. Despite that it is still better. I'd like some proof of it being bad or less effective. Because spreading misinformation doesn't help someone that's new to the game and wants to optimise there build for raids. Acuity out performs hundings in most scenarios and hundings outperforms briarheart pretty much always. Briarheart is in need of a buff to useable.
Its not "still better". I can reach up 97% crit chance with thief mundus and 87% crit chance without it, why the the *** would anyone with brains use acuity in this case? Like use common sense? Hundings will be consistent damage only if you keep it active on both bars. If not then briarheart wins as the proc carries over. So VO/WM+Briarheart with VO/WM active on both bars OR WM+Hundings with Hundings active on both bars perfoms higher on a khajiit nightblade.
Do some research, stop spreading wrong information.
Your using the thief mundus? Like if your going into your build doing what your doing yeah don't use acuity but for every one else your total off base. What kinda number do you hit with this setup seriously tho if your at or over 70k single tgt on rako tu and valerial then I'll concede and say your build has merit if not your gimping yourself on purpose. I'm not the one spreading inaccurate information here yo acuity wm or acuity vo is what ppl are using on stamblades atm if your a khajit stamblade you've already messed up there but even with that using acuity is still better.
"I am total off base" lul. Did i say i was using thief mundus? Are you drunk? I gave you real example of my crit chance with and without mundus and explained why acuity is horrible on a khajiit stamblade. This isnt rocket science, this is common sense which you seem to lack. By stating "khajiit nightblade is messed up" just proves you have no idea of the game itself and you are just being a sheep and following "meta" without thinking at all. And this thread is about Summerset builds and you are showing parses with sunderflame.... I guess you didn't read prePTS changes.
Read them and understood. I don't understand how I'm a sheep but what ever can you please link them sick deeps to prove me wrong all I want is proof and the reason you don't khajit stamblade or at least shouldn't is because the closer to a light weaving only rotation you can get equals higher damage. Khajit has no sustain benefit what so ever and is really only used with stamdks. If you can prove me wrong with actual evidence I'll concede and admit ignorance until then I assume you have no clue what your talking about. Also I linked that parse to show acuitys strength not the other sets I main a stamdk and I like to use buff sets to help out so if I had a personal pics of me doing 70 on a stamblade id share. I do have this videos a DO stam Blade pulling 80k single tgt in acuity and not a khajit. Enjoyhttps://youtu.be/Hk7lPsPsNIo
Khajiit really only used with stam dk? +10% stam is "no sustain"? Wtf are you smoking?
please provide proof.
See the edited post above. AGAIN, Stop spreading misinformation.
were does he say khajit nb is bis? also he says it takes skill to run properly wich i never said it was super easy to pick up and use so not sure what were he say it isnt bis he just cautions it as not being beginer friendly and it isnt. i appreciate his service to the community and everything but whens the last time giliam seriously raided? a year ago when order of mundus imploded. the information im giving is tested in raid with some of best players on pc na so ill still defer to were are your parses to back up your claims
Who the f said Khajiit is BIS for NB in this entire thread? show me. @Gilliamtherogue, i would like you chime in as players like this will keep common sense behind and they will continue spreading misinformation.
youve brought it up at least once. i made the dtatement they arent optimal on stamblades then you went on about about how me saying khajit night blade being suboptimal proves i know nothing about the game, i was speaking to the point that most end game raiders use redgaurd on stamblades and they do in fact use acuity and war machine. there are fights that war machine hundings performs better but i honestly dont care at this point to explain to you. are you pc na if so what guilds are you in id like to know were your getting your wealth of knowledge.
Now you are making things up. I replied to your statement of "if your a khajit stamblade you've already messed up" opposing it. "Messed up" means suboptimal? Lol..... please come out of your dream world.1 -
Zagnut123Zagnut123✭✭✭✭techprince wrote: »Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »techprince wrote: »Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »techprince wrote: »Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »techprince wrote: »Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »techprince wrote: »Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »techprince wrote: »Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »techprince wrote: »Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »techprince wrote: »Briarheart because its on dw bar. When i equip that on dw the effective damage value of the set wont drop as much as hundings. Hundings will drop around 40-50% of its weapon damage when equiped as weapons, while briarheart should only have a decrease of 10-20%. so the effective value of briarheart still will be above 200, while hundings drops below 200, to around 170-150. Since i am running VO with it, i want vo to be active at all times. But if you are going with WM stick with hundings active at all times.
That's really insightful !
But on the other hand, do we really need to max our mean weapon damage ?
I mean, whether we play War Machine or not, we will still do something like : refresh all DoTs from Back Bar then ult (about 35% of the time ?) then go back Main Bar and burst like crazy (Assassin's Will, Surprise Attack...). During that time, Weapon Damage is way more valuable than the weapon damage we have while we are on back bar, since we deal both the damage from BB DoTs, and Direct Damages.
I think Briarheart really depends WHEN it is triggered. I'll do the math for myself, but please correct it if I'm wrong somewhere, I'm not so good.
I'll go with my numbers (VO weapons + full-time Hunding) :
I'm 62% of the time MAIN BAR, which results in 70% of my total DPS.
I'm 38% of the time BACK BAR, which results in 30% of my total DPS.
(I do NOT count proc sets, since they are not empowered by weapon damage, and that's what we want to talk about.)
(The numbers on MAIN BAR are really high, but remember I'm way more often on main bar, and I run nightblade ultimate just before going back to main bar. Also, the finisher phase is a lot of time on the main bar.)
When we speak about Weapon Damage mean, of course, Hunding is only something like 180 WD since it's lost on back bar. But if we speak about total damage increase to DPS, it's 210.
Then, speaking of Briarheart, what really bugs me is the 15s cooldown.
A "perfect" nigthblade stam rotation would be close to 10-11s (for Endless Hail and Poison Injection uptime), and a "good" one can be about 12s (less efficient, but rely on Caltrops uptime). I'm personnally at about 12s (my priority goes management of Assassin's Will when it's up, and I often delay by 1s or so my coming back to back bar).
So, if we speak about a 10 or 12s rotation, it means that Briarheart WILL miss some procs. Let's see : if you proc Briarheart on 1st second on main bar, you'll have to way the 3rd second of the 2nd rotation for it to be again proccable. You have then a window of 4s to proc it. Fine. But you lost the 3 first second on main bar with no boosts. Then, next rotation : no window to proc it. And if you can by staying 1s more on main bar, the proc will basically be used while you are on back bar.
Overall, you will miss sometimes some proc and delay the time by which you can proc it by up to 5s. It would be great to see what is the overall time proc of this set (you say about 80-90% of the time, but is that really so on 6M practice target, when the fight last longer ?).
It would be really insightful to get the active time of Briarheart on both main bar and back bar.
briarheart is still bad if ur stam acuity war machine is the way to go.
as for OP having magika parse equally to you in raids will mean that they will replace you not be on equal grounds have fun being forced into a magika class if you want to continue to raid.
No, acuity is of less use on a nightblade or a khajiit.
Your far of base there. It's not as good on a khajit yes but very few ppl actually play stamblade khajit now anyways this doesn't matter. Despite that it is still better. I'd like some proof of it being bad or less effective. Because spreading misinformation doesn't help someone that's new to the game and wants to optimise there build for raids. Acuity out performs hundings in most scenarios and hundings outperforms briarheart pretty much always. Briarheart is in need of a buff to useable.
Its not "still better". I can reach up 97% crit chance with thief mundus and 87% crit chance without it, why the the *** would anyone with brains use acuity in this case? Like use common sense? Hundings will be consistent damage only if you keep it active on both bars. If not then briarheart wins as the proc carries over. So VO/WM+Briarheart with VO/WM active on both bars OR WM+Hundings with Hundings active on both bars perfoms higher on a khajiit nightblade.
Do some research, stop spreading wrong information.
Your using the thief mundus? Like if your going into your build doing what your doing yeah don't use acuity but for every one else your total off base. What kinda number do you hit with this setup seriously tho if your at or over 70k single tgt on rako tu and valerial then I'll concede and say your build has merit if not your gimping yourself on purpose. I'm not the one spreading inaccurate information here yo acuity wm or acuity vo is what ppl are using on stamblades atm if your a khajit stamblade you've already messed up there but even with that using acuity is still better.
"I am total off base" lul. Did i say i was using thief mundus? Are you drunk? I gave you real example of my crit chance with and without mundus and explained why acuity is horrible on a khajiit stamblade. This isnt rocket science, this is common sense which you seem to lack. By stating "khajiit nightblade is messed up" just proves you have no idea of the game itself and you are just being a sheep and following "meta" without thinking at all. And this thread is about Summerset builds and you are showing parses with sunderflame.... I guess you didn't read prePTS changes.
Read them and understood. I don't understand how I'm a sheep but what ever can you please link them sick deeps to prove me wrong all I want is proof and the reason you don't khajit stamblade or at least shouldn't is because the closer to a light weaving only rotation you can get equals higher damage. Khajit has no sustain benefit what so ever and is really only used with stamdks. If you can prove me wrong with actual evidence I'll concede and admit ignorance until then I assume you have no clue what your talking about. Also I linked that parse to show acuitys strength not the other sets I main a stamdk and I like to use buff sets to help out so if I had a personal pics of me doing 70 on a stamblade id share. I do have this videos a DO stam Blade pulling 80k single tgt in acuity and not a khajit. Enjoyhttps://youtu.be/Hk7lPsPsNIo
Khajiit really only used with stam dk? +10% stam is "no sustain"? Wtf are you smoking?
please provide proof.
See the edited post above. AGAIN, Stop spreading misinformation.
were does he say khajit nb is bis? also he says it takes skill to run properly wich i never said it was super easy to pick up and use so not sure what were he say it isnt bis he just cautions it as not being beginer friendly and it isnt. i appreciate his service to the community and everything but whens the last time giliam seriously raided? a year ago when order of mundus imploded. the information im giving is tested in raid with some of best players on pc na so ill still defer to were are your parses to back up your claims
Who the f said Khajiit is BIS for NB in this entire thread? show me. @Gilliamtherogue, i would like you chime in as players like this will keep common sense behind and they will continue spreading misinformation.
youve brought it up at least once. i made the dtatement they arent optimal on stamblades then you went on about about how me saying khajit night blade being suboptimal proves i know nothing about the game, i was speaking to the point that most end game raiders use redgaurd on stamblades and they do in fact use acuity and war machine. there are fights that war machine hundings performs better but i honestly dont care at this point to explain to you. are you pc na if so what guilds are you in id like to know were your getting your wealth of knowledge.
Now you are making things up. I replied to your statement of "if your a khajit stamblade you've already messed up" opposing it. "Messed up" means suboptimal? Lol..... please come out of your dream world.
why dont you ply to the full question? instead cherry picking your responces what platform and what guilds?0 -
Zagnut123Zagnut123✭✭✭✭techprince wrote: »Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »techprince wrote: »Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »techprince wrote: »Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »techprince wrote: »Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »techprince wrote: »Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »techprince wrote: »Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »techprince wrote: »Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »techprince wrote: »Briarheart because its on dw bar. When i equip that on dw the effective damage value of the set wont drop as much as hundings. Hundings will drop around 40-50% of its weapon damage when equiped as weapons, while briarheart should only have a decrease of 10-20%. so the effective value of briarheart still will be above 200, while hundings drops below 200, to around 170-150. Since i am running VO with it, i want vo to be active at all times. But if you are going with WM stick with hundings active at all times.
That's really insightful !
But on the other hand, do we really need to max our mean weapon damage ?
I mean, whether we play War Machine or not, we will still do something like : refresh all DoTs from Back Bar then ult (about 35% of the time ?) then go back Main Bar and burst like crazy (Assassin's Will, Surprise Attack...). During that time, Weapon Damage is way more valuable than the weapon damage we have while we are on back bar, since we deal both the damage from BB DoTs, and Direct Damages.
I think Briarheart really depends WHEN it is triggered. I'll do the math for myself, but please correct it if I'm wrong somewhere, I'm not so good.
I'll go with my numbers (VO weapons + full-time Hunding) :
I'm 62% of the time MAIN BAR, which results in 70% of my total DPS.
I'm 38% of the time BACK BAR, which results in 30% of my total DPS.
(I do NOT count proc sets, since they are not empowered by weapon damage, and that's what we want to talk about.)
(The numbers on MAIN BAR are really high, but remember I'm way more often on main bar, and I run nightblade ultimate just before going back to main bar. Also, the finisher phase is a lot of time on the main bar.)
When we speak about Weapon Damage mean, of course, Hunding is only something like 180 WD since it's lost on back bar. But if we speak about total damage increase to DPS, it's 210.
Then, speaking of Briarheart, what really bugs me is the 15s cooldown.
A "perfect" nigthblade stam rotation would be close to 10-11s (for Endless Hail and Poison Injection uptime), and a "good" one can be about 12s (less efficient, but rely on Caltrops uptime). I'm personnally at about 12s (my priority goes management of Assassin's Will when it's up, and I often delay by 1s or so my coming back to back bar).
So, if we speak about a 10 or 12s rotation, it means that Briarheart WILL miss some procs. Let's see : if you proc Briarheart on 1st second on main bar, you'll have to way the 3rd second of the 2nd rotation for it to be again proccable. You have then a window of 4s to proc it. Fine. But you lost the 3 first second on main bar with no boosts. Then, next rotation : no window to proc it. And if you can by staying 1s more on main bar, the proc will basically be used while you are on back bar.
Overall, you will miss sometimes some proc and delay the time by which you can proc it by up to 5s. It would be great to see what is the overall time proc of this set (you say about 80-90% of the time, but is that really so on 6M practice target, when the fight last longer ?).
It would be really insightful to get the active time of Briarheart on both main bar and back bar.
briarheart is still bad if ur stam acuity war machine is the way to go.
as for OP having magika parse equally to you in raids will mean that they will replace you not be on equal grounds have fun being forced into a magika class if you want to continue to raid.
No, acuity is of less use on a nightblade or a khajiit.
Your far of base there. It's not as good on a khajit yes but very few ppl actually play stamblade khajit now anyways this doesn't matter. Despite that it is still better. I'd like some proof of it being bad or less effective. Because spreading misinformation doesn't help someone that's new to the game and wants to optimise there build for raids. Acuity out performs hundings in most scenarios and hundings outperforms briarheart pretty much always. Briarheart is in need of a buff to useable.
Its not "still better". I can reach up 97% crit chance with thief mundus and 87% crit chance without it, why the the *** would anyone with brains use acuity in this case? Like use common sense? Hundings will be consistent damage only if you keep it active on both bars. If not then briarheart wins as the proc carries over. So VO/WM+Briarheart with VO/WM active on both bars OR WM+Hundings with Hundings active on both bars perfoms higher on a khajiit nightblade.
Do some research, stop spreading wrong information.
Your using the thief mundus? Like if your going into your build doing what your doing yeah don't use acuity but for every one else your total off base. What kinda number do you hit with this setup seriously tho if your at or over 70k single tgt on rako tu and valerial then I'll concede and say your build has merit if not your gimping yourself on purpose. I'm not the one spreading inaccurate information here yo acuity wm or acuity vo is what ppl are using on stamblades atm if your a khajit stamblade you've already messed up there but even with that using acuity is still better.
"I am total off base" lul. Did i say i was using thief mundus? Are you drunk? I gave you real example of my crit chance with and without mundus and explained why acuity is horrible on a khajiit stamblade. This isnt rocket science, this is common sense which you seem to lack. By stating "khajiit nightblade is messed up" just proves you have no idea of the game itself and you are just being a sheep and following "meta" without thinking at all. And this thread is about Summerset builds and you are showing parses with sunderflame.... I guess you didn't read prePTS changes.
Read them and understood. I don't understand how I'm a sheep but what ever can you please link them sick deeps to prove me wrong all I want is proof and the reason you don't khajit stamblade or at least shouldn't is because the closer to a light weaving only rotation you can get equals higher damage. Khajit has no sustain benefit what so ever and is really only used with stamdks. If you can prove me wrong with actual evidence I'll concede and admit ignorance until then I assume you have no clue what your talking about. Also I linked that parse to show acuitys strength not the other sets I main a stamdk and I like to use buff sets to help out so if I had a personal pics of me doing 70 on a stamblade id share. I do have this videos a DO stam Blade pulling 80k single tgt in acuity and not a khajit. Enjoyhttps://youtu.be/Hk7lPsPsNIo
Khajiit really only used with stam dk? +10% stam is "no sustain"? Wtf are you smoking?
please provide proof.
See the edited post above. AGAIN, Stop spreading misinformation.
were does he say khajit nb is bis? also he says it takes skill to run properly wich i never said it was super easy to pick up and use so not sure what were he say it isnt bis he just cautions it as not being beginer friendly and it isnt. i appreciate his service to the community and everything but whens the last time giliam seriously raided? a year ago when order of mundus imploded. the information im giving is tested in raid with some of best players on pc na so ill still defer to were are your parses to back up your claims
Who the f said Khajiit is BIS for NB in this entire thread? show me. @Gilliamtherogue, i would like you chime in as players like this will keep common sense behind and they will continue spreading misinformation.
youve brought it up at least once. i made the dtatement they arent optimal on stamblades then you went on about about how me saying khajit night blade being suboptimal proves i know nothing about the game, i was speaking to the point that most end game raiders use redgaurd on stamblades and they do in fact use acuity and war machine. there are fights that war machine hundings performs better but i honestly dont care at this point to explain to you. are you pc na if so what guilds are you in id like to know were your getting your wealth of knowledge.
Now you are making things up. I replied to your statement of "if your a khajit stamblade you've already messed up" opposing it. "Messed up" means suboptimal? Lol..... please come out of your dream world.
And yes in messed I mean suboptimal like an argonians dps is suboptimal or a woodelf magblade is suboptimal. Ppl may enjoy it but it's not what's favoured for optimal dps, the only difference between my examples just now and khajit is khajit is 2nd best next to redguard and the only reason I brought that up is because everytime some comes to me for stamblade advice it's usually because they can sustain a normal rotation. If someone wants to play khajit they can that's cool but it harder and less efficient. I originally used my khajit dk parse as an example earlier to show that acuity is viable on a khajit on a class that has no crit damage modifiers like nightblades or stamplars.0 -
techprince✭✭✭✭✭Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »techprince wrote: »Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »techprince wrote: »Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »techprince wrote: »Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »techprince wrote: »Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »techprince wrote: »Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »techprince wrote: »Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »techprince wrote: »Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »techprince wrote: »Briarheart because its on dw bar. When i equip that on dw the effective damage value of the set wont drop as much as hundings. Hundings will drop around 40-50% of its weapon damage when equiped as weapons, while briarheart should only have a decrease of 10-20%. so the effective value of briarheart still will be above 200, while hundings drops below 200, to around 170-150. Since i am running VO with it, i want vo to be active at all times. But if you are going with WM stick with hundings active at all times.
That's really insightful !
But on the other hand, do we really need to max our mean weapon damage ?
I mean, whether we play War Machine or not, we will still do something like : refresh all DoTs from Back Bar then ult (about 35% of the time ?) then go back Main Bar and burst like crazy (Assassin's Will, Surprise Attack...). During that time, Weapon Damage is way more valuable than the weapon damage we have while we are on back bar, since we deal both the damage from BB DoTs, and Direct Damages.
I think Briarheart really depends WHEN it is triggered. I'll do the math for myself, but please correct it if I'm wrong somewhere, I'm not so good.
I'll go with my numbers (VO weapons + full-time Hunding) :
I'm 62% of the time MAIN BAR, which results in 70% of my total DPS.
I'm 38% of the time BACK BAR, which results in 30% of my total DPS.
(I do NOT count proc sets, since they are not empowered by weapon damage, and that's what we want to talk about.)
(The numbers on MAIN BAR are really high, but remember I'm way more often on main bar, and I run nightblade ultimate just before going back to main bar. Also, the finisher phase is a lot of time on the main bar.)
When we speak about Weapon Damage mean, of course, Hunding is only something like 180 WD since it's lost on back bar. But if we speak about total damage increase to DPS, it's 210.
Then, speaking of Briarheart, what really bugs me is the 15s cooldown.
A "perfect" nigthblade stam rotation would be close to 10-11s (for Endless Hail and Poison Injection uptime), and a "good" one can be about 12s (less efficient, but rely on Caltrops uptime). I'm personnally at about 12s (my priority goes management of Assassin's Will when it's up, and I often delay by 1s or so my coming back to back bar).
So, if we speak about a 10 or 12s rotation, it means that Briarheart WILL miss some procs. Let's see : if you proc Briarheart on 1st second on main bar, you'll have to way the 3rd second of the 2nd rotation for it to be again proccable. You have then a window of 4s to proc it. Fine. But you lost the 3 first second on main bar with no boosts. Then, next rotation : no window to proc it. And if you can by staying 1s more on main bar, the proc will basically be used while you are on back bar.
Overall, you will miss sometimes some proc and delay the time by which you can proc it by up to 5s. It would be great to see what is the overall time proc of this set (you say about 80-90% of the time, but is that really so on 6M practice target, when the fight last longer ?).
It would be really insightful to get the active time of Briarheart on both main bar and back bar.
briarheart is still bad if ur stam acuity war machine is the way to go.
as for OP having magika parse equally to you in raids will mean that they will replace you not be on equal grounds have fun being forced into a magika class if you want to continue to raid.
No, acuity is of less use on a nightblade or a khajiit.
Your far of base there. It's not as good on a khajit yes but very few ppl actually play stamblade khajit now anyways this doesn't matter. Despite that it is still better. I'd like some proof of it being bad or less effective. Because spreading misinformation doesn't help someone that's new to the game and wants to optimise there build for raids. Acuity out performs hundings in most scenarios and hundings outperforms briarheart pretty much always. Briarheart is in need of a buff to useable.
Its not "still better". I can reach up 97% crit chance with thief mundus and 87% crit chance without it, why the the *** would anyone with brains use acuity in this case? Like use common sense? Hundings will be consistent damage only if you keep it active on both bars. If not then briarheart wins as the proc carries over. So VO/WM+Briarheart with VO/WM active on both bars OR WM+Hundings with Hundings active on both bars perfoms higher on a khajiit nightblade.
Do some research, stop spreading wrong information.
Your using the thief mundus? Like if your going into your build doing what your doing yeah don't use acuity but for every one else your total off base. What kinda number do you hit with this setup seriously tho if your at or over 70k single tgt on rako tu and valerial then I'll concede and say your build has merit if not your gimping yourself on purpose. I'm not the one spreading inaccurate information here yo acuity wm or acuity vo is what ppl are using on stamblades atm if your a khajit stamblade you've already messed up there but even with that using acuity is still better.
"I am total off base" lul. Did i say i was using thief mundus? Are you drunk? I gave you real example of my crit chance with and without mundus and explained why acuity is horrible on a khajiit stamblade. This isnt rocket science, this is common sense which you seem to lack. By stating "khajiit nightblade is messed up" just proves you have no idea of the game itself and you are just being a sheep and following "meta" without thinking at all. And this thread is about Summerset builds and you are showing parses with sunderflame.... I guess you didn't read prePTS changes.
Read them and understood. I don't understand how I'm a sheep but what ever can you please link them sick deeps to prove me wrong all I want is proof and the reason you don't khajit stamblade or at least shouldn't is because the closer to a light weaving only rotation you can get equals higher damage. Khajit has no sustain benefit what so ever and is really only used with stamdks. If you can prove me wrong with actual evidence I'll concede and admit ignorance until then I assume you have no clue what your talking about. Also I linked that parse to show acuitys strength not the other sets I main a stamdk and I like to use buff sets to help out so if I had a personal pics of me doing 70 on a stamblade id share. I do have this videos a DO stam Blade pulling 80k single tgt in acuity and not a khajit. Enjoyhttps://youtu.be/Hk7lPsPsNIo
Khajiit really only used with stam dk? +10% stam is "no sustain"? Wtf are you smoking?
please provide proof.
See the edited post above. AGAIN, Stop spreading misinformation.
were does he say khajit nb is bis? also he says it takes skill to run properly wich i never said it was super easy to pick up and use so not sure what were he say it isnt bis he just cautions it as not being beginer friendly and it isnt. i appreciate his service to the community and everything but whens the last time giliam seriously raided? a year ago when order of mundus imploded. the information im giving is tested in raid with some of best players on pc na so ill still defer to were are your parses to back up your claims
Who the f said Khajiit is BIS for NB in this entire thread? show me. @Gilliamtherogue, i would like you chime in as players like this will keep common sense behind and they will continue spreading misinformation.
youve brought it up at least once. i made the dtatement they arent optimal on stamblades then you went on about about how me saying khajit night blade being suboptimal proves i know nothing about the game, i was speaking to the point that most end game raiders use redgaurd on stamblades and they do in fact use acuity and war machine. there are fights that war machine hundings performs better but i honestly dont care at this point to explain to you. are you pc na if so what guilds are you in id like to know were your getting your wealth of knowledge.
Now you are making things up. I replied to your statement of "if your a khajit stamblade you've already messed up" opposing it. "Messed up" means suboptimal? Lol..... please come out of your dream world.
And yes in messed I mean suboptimal like an argonians dps is suboptimal or a woodelf magblade is suboptimal. Ppl may enjoy it but it's not what's favoured for optimal dps, the only difference between my examples just now and khajit is khajit is 2nd best next to redguard and the only reason I brought that up is because everytime some comes to me for stamblade advice it's usually because they can sustain a normal rotation. If someone wants to play khajit they can that's cool but it harder and less efficient. I originally used my khajit dk parse as an example earlier to show that acuity is viable on a khajit on a class that has no crit damage modifiers like nightblades or stamplars.
Khajiit is not "messed up" or "suboptimal". You are literally building around acuity and announcing everyone that x race is messed up or suboptimal. Ever thought about a full crit build? Use your brain dude, you are telling a character having 87% crit chance to use acuity.... Like seriously. Dont post when drunk. Not going to reply futher to your drunk azz.Edited by techprince on April 8, 2018 6:39PM1 -
Zagnut123Zagnut123✭✭✭✭techprince wrote: »Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »techprince wrote: »Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »techprince wrote: »Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »techprince wrote: »Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »techprince wrote: »Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »techprince wrote: »Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »techprince wrote: »Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »techprince wrote: »Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »techprince wrote: »Briarheart because its on dw bar. When i equip that on dw the effective damage value of the set wont drop as much as hundings. Hundings will drop around 40-50% of its weapon damage when equiped as weapons, while briarheart should only have a decrease of 10-20%. so the effective value of briarheart still will be above 200, while hundings drops below 200, to around 170-150. Since i am running VO with it, i want vo to be active at all times. But if you are going with WM stick with hundings active at all times.
That's really insightful !
But on the other hand, do we really need to max our mean weapon damage ?
I mean, whether we play War Machine or not, we will still do something like : refresh all DoTs from Back Bar then ult (about 35% of the time ?) then go back Main Bar and burst like crazy (Assassin's Will, Surprise Attack...). During that time, Weapon Damage is way more valuable than the weapon damage we have while we are on back bar, since we deal both the damage from BB DoTs, and Direct Damages.
I think Briarheart really depends WHEN it is triggered. I'll do the math for myself, but please correct it if I'm wrong somewhere, I'm not so good.
I'll go with my numbers (VO weapons + full-time Hunding) :
I'm 62% of the time MAIN BAR, which results in 70% of my total DPS.
I'm 38% of the time BACK BAR, which results in 30% of my total DPS.
(I do NOT count proc sets, since they are not empowered by weapon damage, and that's what we want to talk about.)
(The numbers on MAIN BAR are really high, but remember I'm way more often on main bar, and I run nightblade ultimate just before going back to main bar. Also, the finisher phase is a lot of time on the main bar.)
When we speak about Weapon Damage mean, of course, Hunding is only something like 180 WD since it's lost on back bar. But if we speak about total damage increase to DPS, it's 210.
Then, speaking of Briarheart, what really bugs me is the 15s cooldown.
A "perfect" nigthblade stam rotation would be close to 10-11s (for Endless Hail and Poison Injection uptime), and a "good" one can be about 12s (less efficient, but rely on Caltrops uptime). I'm personnally at about 12s (my priority goes management of Assassin's Will when it's up, and I often delay by 1s or so my coming back to back bar).
So, if we speak about a 10 or 12s rotation, it means that Briarheart WILL miss some procs. Let's see : if you proc Briarheart on 1st second on main bar, you'll have to way the 3rd second of the 2nd rotation for it to be again proccable. You have then a window of 4s to proc it. Fine. But you lost the 3 first second on main bar with no boosts. Then, next rotation : no window to proc it. And if you can by staying 1s more on main bar, the proc will basically be used while you are on back bar.
Overall, you will miss sometimes some proc and delay the time by which you can proc it by up to 5s. It would be great to see what is the overall time proc of this set (you say about 80-90% of the time, but is that really so on 6M practice target, when the fight last longer ?).
It would be really insightful to get the active time of Briarheart on both main bar and back bar.
briarheart is still bad if ur stam acuity war machine is the way to go.
as for OP having magika parse equally to you in raids will mean that they will replace you not be on equal grounds have fun being forced into a magika class if you want to continue to raid.
No, acuity is of less use on a nightblade or a khajiit.
Your far of base there. It's not as good on a khajit yes but very few ppl actually play stamblade khajit now anyways this doesn't matter. Despite that it is still better. I'd like some proof of it being bad or less effective. Because spreading misinformation doesn't help someone that's new to the game and wants to optimise there build for raids. Acuity out performs hundings in most scenarios and hundings outperforms briarheart pretty much always. Briarheart is in need of a buff to useable.
Its not "still better". I can reach up 97% crit chance with thief mundus and 87% crit chance without it, why the the *** would anyone with brains use acuity in this case? Like use common sense? Hundings will be consistent damage only if you keep it active on both bars. If not then briarheart wins as the proc carries over. So VO/WM+Briarheart with VO/WM active on both bars OR WM+Hundings with Hundings active on both bars perfoms higher on a khajiit nightblade.
Do some research, stop spreading wrong information.
Your using the thief mundus? Like if your going into your build doing what your doing yeah don't use acuity but for every one else your total off base. What kinda number do you hit with this setup seriously tho if your at or over 70k single tgt on rako tu and valerial then I'll concede and say your build has merit if not your gimping yourself on purpose. I'm not the one spreading inaccurate information here yo acuity wm or acuity vo is what ppl are using on stamblades atm if your a khajit stamblade you've already messed up there but even with that using acuity is still better.
"I am total off base" lul. Did i say i was using thief mundus? Are you drunk? I gave you real example of my crit chance with and without mundus and explained why acuity is horrible on a khajiit stamblade. This isnt rocket science, this is common sense which you seem to lack. By stating "khajiit nightblade is messed up" just proves you have no idea of the game itself and you are just being a sheep and following "meta" without thinking at all. And this thread is about Summerset builds and you are showing parses with sunderflame.... I guess you didn't read prePTS changes.
Read them and understood. I don't understand how I'm a sheep but what ever can you please link them sick deeps to prove me wrong all I want is proof and the reason you don't khajit stamblade or at least shouldn't is because the closer to a light weaving only rotation you can get equals higher damage. Khajit has no sustain benefit what so ever and is really only used with stamdks. If you can prove me wrong with actual evidence I'll concede and admit ignorance until then I assume you have no clue what your talking about. Also I linked that parse to show acuitys strength not the other sets I main a stamdk and I like to use buff sets to help out so if I had a personal pics of me doing 70 on a stamblade id share. I do have this videos a DO stam Blade pulling 80k single tgt in acuity and not a khajit. Enjoyhttps://youtu.be/Hk7lPsPsNIo
Khajiit really only used with stam dk? +10% stam is "no sustain"? Wtf are you smoking?
please provide proof.
See the edited post above. AGAIN, Stop spreading misinformation.
were does he say khajit nb is bis? also he says it takes skill to run properly wich i never said it was super easy to pick up and use so not sure what were he say it isnt bis he just cautions it as not being beginer friendly and it isnt. i appreciate his service to the community and everything but whens the last time giliam seriously raided? a year ago when order of mundus imploded. the information im giving is tested in raid with some of best players on pc na so ill still defer to were are your parses to back up your claims
Who the f said Khajiit is BIS for NB in this entire thread? show me. @Gilliamtherogue, i would like you chime in as players like this will keep common sense behind and they will continue spreading misinformation.
youve brought it up at least once. i made the dtatement they arent optimal on stamblades then you went on about about how me saying khajit night blade being suboptimal proves i know nothing about the game, i was speaking to the point that most end game raiders use redgaurd on stamblades and they do in fact use acuity and war machine. there are fights that war machine hundings performs better but i honestly dont care at this point to explain to you. are you pc na if so what guilds are you in id like to know were your getting your wealth of knowledge.
Now you are making things up. I replied to your statement of "if your a khajit stamblade you've already messed up" opposing it. "Messed up" means suboptimal? Lol..... please come out of your dream world.
And yes in messed I mean suboptimal like an argonians dps is suboptimal or a woodelf magblade is suboptimal. Ppl may enjoy it but it's not what's favoured for optimal dps, the only difference between my examples just now and khajit is khajit is 2nd best next to redguard and the only reason I brought that up is because everytime some comes to me for stamblade advice it's usually because they can sustain a normal rotation. If someone wants to play khajit they can that's cool but it harder and less efficient. I originally used my khajit dk parse as an example earlier to show that acuity is viable on a khajit on a class that has no crit damage modifiers like nightblades or stamplars.
Khajiit is not "messed up" or "suboptimal". You are literally building around acuity and announcing everyone that x race is messed up or suboptimal. Ever thought about a full crit build? Use your brain dude, you are telling a character having 87% crit chance to use acuity.... Like seriously. Dont post when drunk. Not going to reply futher to your drunk azz.
I don't drink I'm a recovery alcholholic ty. And no I'm not building around acuity I doing what most end game raiders did prior to acuity being well known as a bis set and running on a redguard. Your right you get better performance from acuity with other races then khajit but my testing suggests that it's even better on a khajit as well. You can name can and miss direct by saying I'm drunk and I most certainly am not. But I'd still like to know what guild you spawn from and maybe some of your personal tests that prove me wrong.0 -
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✭✭Acuity proc makes all attacks crit for 5s with a 18s CD. During this 5s any crit chance bonus you have is rendered useless.
For example, a normal crit bonus provides 833 crit chance, with Acuity the crit chance bonus is only used for 13/18 of the time. The overall crit chance value therefor becomes 602, so its roughly 28% less effective.
Same principal applies to the Khajiit racial passive. This doesnt mean Khajiit is per definition worse because minor/major force buffs in trail groups favor high crit over max stamina.Edited by Septimus_Magna on April 8, 2018 7:18PMPC - EU (AD)Septimus Mezar - Altmer Sorcerer
Septimus Rulanir - Orsimer Templar
Septimus Desmoru - Khajiit Necromancer
Septimus Iroh - Dunmer Dragon Knight
Septimus Thragar - Dunmer Nightblade
Septimus Jah'zar - Khajiit Nightblade
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Septimus Ozurk - Orsimer Sorcerer2 -
Zagnut123Zagnut123✭✭✭✭Winner, Most Highjacked Thread of the Day.
Yeah I just realize why I originally posted here was to explain to op that having melee and mag do the same damage in raid will cause stam to be replaced with all mag raid grps and that I'd rather not repeat homesteads raid environment ie the least balanced patch I can remember. But I got derailed some of its my fault and I apologize. To OP I hope you enjoy your stamblade next patch but having magika players picked over for raid will suck.2 -
elijafire✭✭✭ANY DPS that is forced to be near the boss in order to do it's DPS should to a TON more than range. Period. That INCLUDES mag DK who's abilities are all MELEE abilities, they have the benefit of being able to save their stamina for mitigation true but they are also squichy.
That said, yeah, toe to toe melee should always do tons more damage than range, I always find it absurd that a guy with two swords or a 2H sword gets up in your face as a MU or bow and you just block or continue to cast like he's a nuisance.
I have been saying the shared pool for mitigation and DPS has been a huge detriment for FOUR YEARS and nobody listened till recently and the game health has started to improve drastically.
SO PLEASE, never, ever EVER suggest that Melee dps should do the same dmg on a dummy or anything really than a range dps. (PS Bow is still under powered bc again it shares the same pool as all its mitigation and if you say 'resource manage duuurr' ill slap you bc if you got no resources to manage you are OOG)
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