Why snares

Skander · April 2018

Why are we having snares in pvp?

VaranisArano · April 2018

Why not?

Mannix1958 · April 2018

To hinder the opponent?

Checkmath · April 2018

stupid question, stupid aswer: because ZoS wants it!

Jameliel · April 2018

To keep you stationary, immobilized, to stop you from escaping, to freeze you in place, making you easier to focus on and damage until you die and go cry.

Yakidafi · April 2018

Stress is real, slow down!

Skander · April 2018

Next question: Why magicka doesn't have a snare immunity?

Checkmath · April 2018

go 2h and you have one, its a free skill accessible for everyone.

Skander · April 2018

Checkmath wrote: »

go 2h and you have one, its a free skill accessible for everyone.

No, it's not

Checkmath · April 2018

its not free regarding costs, but its open for everyone, its pretty cheap and lasts 8 seconds i think?
additionally there is an alliance spell called purge, also available for everyone.
and the last point, with summerset there will be a magicka skill with major velocity and sprint cost reduction.
also is 2h a very good choice for magicka setups with summerset, since we get full set boni, same damage passives as dual wield and a huge stamina sustain passive, when we kill something. this again makes forward momentum an easy to get, accessible and easy to use skill.

Yakidafi · April 2018

Checkmath wrote: »

its not free regarding costs, but its open for everyone, its pretty cheap and lasts 8 seconds i think?
additionally there is an alliance spell called purge, also available for everyone.
and the last point, with summerset there will be a magicka skill with major velocity and sprint cost reduction.
also is 2h a very good choice for magicka setups with summerset, since we get full set boni, same damage passives as dual wield and a huge stamina sustain passive, when we kill something. this again makes forward momentum an easy to get, accessible and easy to use skill.

Lol and major expedition?

Lord-Otto · April 2018

Checkmath wrote: »

its not free regarding costs, but its open for everyone, its pretty cheap and lasts 8 seconds i think?
additionally there is an alliance spell called purge, also available for everyone.
and the last point, with summerset there will be a magicka skill with major velocity and sprint cost reduction.
also is 2h a very good choice for magicka setups with summerset, since we get full set boni, same damage passives as dual wield and a huge stamina sustain passive, when we kill something. this again makes forward momentum an easy to get, accessible and easy to use skill.

Dude, no.
Giving up my destro spammable or my resto healing is not a good choice.

VaranisArano · April 2018

Skander wrote: »

Next question: Why magicka doesn't have a snare immunity?

WTB stamina purge.

Checkmath · April 2018

forward momentum costs around 2.7k stamina in heavy armor, without any stamina cost reduction. so yeah it is CHEAP.
you get also 30% more stamina regen after killing someone, so sustaining that skill is very easy.
major expedition comes with the psychic skillline as a magicka skill with sprint cost reduction tied to it. not the best skill, but it is a way to deal with it. also there is a jewellry trait coming, which increases your movement speed at ALL time for 10%. and this per jewellry piece.

Checkmath · April 2018

@Lord-Otto
destro spammables is only needed on one magicka class, magsorc and this class already has major expedition and streak.
every other class isnt tied to a destro.

Lord-Otto · April 2018

Checkmath wrote: »

@Lord-Otto
destro spammables is only needed on one magicka class, magsorc and this class already has major expedition and streak.
every other class isnt tied to a destro.

Debatable.
But fact of the matter is that magicka has to make a sizable sacrifice, whereas stamina doesn't. Imbalanced, bad design.

Chilly-McFreeze · April 2018

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Checkmath wrote: »

@Lord-Otto
destro spammables is only needed on one magicka class, magsorc and this class already has major expedition and streak.
every other class isnt tied to a destro.

Debatable.
But fact of the matter is that magicka has to make a sizable sacrifice, whereas stamina doesn't. Imbalanced, bad design.

And you can't think of even one benefit at all that magicka has over stamina?

Yakidafi · April 2018

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Checkmath wrote: »

@Lord-Otto
destro spammables is only needed on one magicka class, magsorc and this class already has major expedition and streak.
every other class isnt tied to a destro.

Debatable.
But fact of the matter is that magicka has to make a sizable sacrifice, whereas stamina doesn't. Imbalanced, bad design.

And you can't think of even one benefit at all that magicka has over stamina?

Ice staff for block with magicka.

Checkmath · April 2018

2h is the weapon with the highest base damage, counting as two items i see many magicka toons using it as soon as summerset if available. as said, its a cheap snare removal and immunity, a decent heal over time, you get same damage passives as dual wield and a huge unique stamregen buff. i cant think of any magclass beside sorcs to not use use a 2h weapon.
so i dont see much sacrificing in here....

Skander · April 2018

VaranisArano wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

Next question: Why magicka doesn't have a snare immunity?

WTB stamina purge.

Get it. It would be 7k stamina cost for 2 negative effects.

I mean, get it. it would kill you faster

VaranisArano · April 2018

Skander wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

Next question: Why magicka doesn't have a snare immunity?

WTB stamina purge.

Get it. It would be 7k stamina cost for 2 negative effects.

I mean, get it. it would kill you faster

So, yeah, Stamina has immunity and removing snares through rapids
Magicka has purge for negative effects.

Almost like ZOS doesn't intend for stam players and magicka players to have easy access to both unless they group up in, wait for it, a PVP zone originally intended for 8 to 24 player groups.

You can certainly argue that should be changed with the introduction of Battlegrounds, but I think ZOS' reasoning is pretty clear. PVP was intended to be a group activity and the skills are designed and divided accordingly.

Lord-Otto · April 2018

Checkmath wrote: »

2h is the weapon with the highest base damage, counting as two items i see many magicka toons using it as soon as summerset if available. as said, its a cheap snare removal and immunity, a decent heal over time, you get same damage passives as dual wield and a huge unique stamregen buff. i cant think of any magclass beside sorcs to not use use a 2h weapon.
so i dont see much sacrificing in here....

Destructive Reach, destro light attacks, 8% damage passive. Or, on the rest side, Healing Ward, Rapid Regen and Light's Champion.

Ectheliontnacil · April 2018

Snare's are stupid and pander to the wishes of zergling scrubs. In my opinion it's also the reason why stamina is stronger and easier to play in openworld pvp, as they have easy access to snare removal through forward momentum or through shuffle.

I wish snares were removed completely from the game. It was a *** idea to introduce them to the game and they completely ruin your gameplay experience.

I made a thread on this a while back, but I so many stampede spamming zergtards were crying about my thread that I don't think snares will ever go away.

Checkmath · April 2018

@Lord-Otto
You get 5% increase to all damage by using a 2h sword, you still can weave (a little bit less dame tough) and beside sorcs every class has a better spammable the fire clench. Surprise attack and strife (was the english name strife?) for magblades, templar have jabs, warden have birds and dks use whip. You can keep your resto, but again: its a 8%more single target damage and better weaving against 5% overall damage, at min 200 more spelldamage, far better stamina sustain and a skill, which provides a hot, snare removal and immunity.

Skander · April 2018

VaranisArano wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

Next question: Why magicka doesn't have a snare immunity?

WTB stamina purge.

Get it. It would be 7k stamina cost for 2 negative effects.

I mean, get it. it would kill you faster

So, yeah, Stamina has immunity and removing snares through rapids
Magicka has purge for negative effects.

Almost like ZOS doesn't intend for stam players and magicka players to have easy access to both unless they group up in, wait for it, a PVP zone originally intended for 8 to 24 player groups.

You can certainly argue that should be changed with the introduction of Battlegrounds, but I think ZOS' reasoning is pretty clear. PVP was intended to be a group activity and the skills are designed and divided accordingly.

Purge doesn't work. At all, you can't choose what you can purge and the purge size is little, too little.

Shuffle and forward momentum have one thing in common, aim at doing something and they do it well.

also, purge, which is worse, costs 5k mag in light.

VaranisArano · April 2018

Skander wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

Next question: Why magicka doesn't have a snare immunity?

WTB stamina purge.

Get it. It would be 7k stamina cost for 2 negative effects.

I mean, get it. it would kill you faster

So, yeah, Stamina has immunity and removing snares through rapids
Magicka has purge for negative effects.

Almost like ZOS doesn't intend for stam players and magicka players to have easy access to both unless they group up in, wait for it, a PVP zone originally intended for 8 to 24 player groups.

You can certainly argue that should be changed with the introduction of Battlegrounds, but I think ZOS' reasoning is pretty clear. PVP was intended to be a group activity and the skills are designed and divided accordingly.

Purge doesn't work. At all, you can't choose what you can purge and the purge size is little, too little.

Shuffle and forward momentum have one thing in common, aim at doing something and they do it well.

also, purge, which is worse, costs 5k mag in light.

Purge works fine in large group play, which shockingly enough, is exactly where it was intended be used.

Skander · April 2018

VaranisArano wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

Next question: Why magicka doesn't have a snare immunity?

WTB stamina purge.

Get it. It would be 7k stamina cost for 2 negative effects.

I mean, get it. it would kill you faster

So, yeah, Stamina has immunity and removing snares through rapids
Magicka has purge for negative effects.

Almost like ZOS doesn't intend for stam players and magicka players to have easy access to both unless they group up in, wait for it, a PVP zone originally intended for 8 to 24 player groups.

You can certainly argue that should be changed with the introduction of Battlegrounds, but I think ZOS' reasoning is pretty clear. PVP was intended to be a group activity and the skills are designed and divided accordingly.

Purge doesn't work. At all, you can't choose what you can purge and the purge size is little, too little.

Shuffle and forward momentum have one thing in common, aim at doing something and they do it well.

also, purge, which is worse, costs 5k mag in light.

Purge works fine in large group play, which shockingly enough, is exactly where it was intended be used.

that's it then. it's useless if you run a group with less then 20 people

When shuffle-forward momentum is useful, everywhere

Checkmath · April 2018

So why not going for those skills then instead of complaining in here?

Aelakhaii_De_Mythos · April 2018

@Skander matey, dont bother even asking these kind of questions, 99% cant even handle basic combat mechanics in this forum.

Theyre not even close to being competent to judge in these type of questions.

Skander · April 2018

Checkmath wrote: »

So why not going for those skills then instead of complaining in here?

Becouse making purge cheap would break the balance, since purge spammed is better then a snare immunity. But try spam 5k purge every second. Please

Checkmath · April 2018

purge spammed is better than snare immunity...sure.
in a fight you will get debuffs and negative effects on you pretty much every second. so to keep them off you need to purge every 2 seconds, which is surely better than once casting FM to remove all your snares.