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How long will ESO carry on?
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The problem with doing a "no. 2" of an MMO is you split your customers. Some will want to remain on the old game some will migrate to the new one. If you force their hand by closing the old servers you alienate all those people who feel snubbed years of their life was meaningless.thomas1970b16_ESO wrote: »I'd say it will be viable and profitable for another 8-10 years at least. But maybe ZOS will want to do ESO 2 before that.
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As in... flying islands, which requires flying mounts?Im thinking till every country has been covered. Then its up in the air.
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There are also lots of realms of Oblivion we could go to.Sweetrolls for all!
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I feel like Jygallag ( omg spelling? ) should make an appearance considering all the disorder we have had , lol.0 -
klowdy1✭✭✭✭✭Lol, god forbid you waste time on the wrong game. I hear they give you a total score for all your gaming in the afterlife.2 -
xbobx✭✭✭✭✭griffkhalifa wrote: »the game is starting to fail because of Zos constant bad decisions but they have a new person at the helm that seems to believe in communication so i think there will be a turnaround
they just need to clean house and restaff. programmers, community staff etc.
that's what i would do.
lol what?
what do you mean lol what. Why do you think they have done some of the things they have done like morrowind free with purchase of summerset.
the game was declining in subs, without a doubt and they are trying to remedy that. You can put your head in the sand but it is what it is. there is a new person on board as stated and they believe in communication and if you don't think communication has been an issue then i dont know what to say.
the mods here, especially Gina need to be booted out. They are useless, unless they are being told to only answer certain things. They pick and choose what they will respond to and tend to jump in only to delete a post or comment on a fluff piece. Have you not noticed almost every long term problem/bug in this game does not get addressed by them?
which brings us to the programmers who cant seem to fix these issues.
so not sure what lol what you are referring too, because of all the mmos and games I have played that required communication between developers and base this one is by far at the bottom. Second place isnt even close.
But i have hopes this new guy will fix this.
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I am very, very, VERY glad you're not in charge of ZOS then.the game is starting to fail because of Zos constant bad decisions but they have a new person at the helm that seems to believe in communication so i think there will be a turnaround
they just need to clean house and restaff. programmers, community staff etc.
that's what i would do.
That's probably the most destructive thing you could do to a persistent game.
yet i am right. I have been in business for over 25+ years in upper management making decisions that affect a larger group of employees then what they have on this game and have been very successful. I would be equal to a director at Zos in my current position. I do know the signs.Edited by xbobx on April 6, 2018 11:22AM1 -
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✭✭✭✭A quick search for "The game is dying" and a check of the dates on the associated threads will answer your question post haste.
It will stick around for you to play as long as you wish to play.Just because you don't like the way something is doesn't necessarily make it wrong...
Earn it.
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Probably has checkbox on Customer Service profile that say High Aggro, 99% immunity to BS0 -
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Are we talking literal virtual, or the Alliance variety?SantieClaws wrote: »Until King Emeric finally runs out of bananas this one she assumes.
Yours with paws
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Just because you don't like the way something is doesn't necessarily make it wrong...
Earn it.
IRL'ing for a while for assorted reasons, in forum, and in game.I am neither warm, nor fuzzy...
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Cleaning house of everyone who knows how a game works and has a set design path and vision? That's going to be disastrous.
I am very, very, VERY glad you're not in charge of ZOS then.the game is starting to fail because of Zos constant bad decisions but they have a new person at the helm that seems to believe in communication so i think there will be a turnaround
they just need to clean house and restaff. programmers, community staff etc.
that's what i would do.
That's probably the most destructive thing you could do to a persistent game.
yet i am right
Programmers would have to learn anything which ESO has specially.
Community staff would mean getting to know new staff and building relationships from the ground up again (not to mention we love our community team)
Some of the staff also come from Bethesda and worked on former TES games meaning they have an understanding of the lore.
You have story writers who are former TSR members and have been working on games and stories for years.
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✭✭i wonder how 15th anniversary cake will look like...my guess its like a wedding cake! or the size of white gold tower?
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✭✭✭✭✭Merlin13KAGL wrote: »
Are we talking literal virtual, or the Alliance variety?SantieClaws wrote: »Until King Emeric finally runs out of bananas this one she assumes.
Yours with paws
Santie Claws
The ones in his bedroom. Always there on the table. Khajiit borrows them. Next day always more of the bananas. Never an apple, peach, carrot or pumpkin for the evening snack no. Always the bananas.
If only the king had a preference for sweetrolls instead yes then this one would not have a stable full of old bananas that the fence will not touch.
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what do you mean lol what. Why do you think they have done some of the things they have done like morrowind free with purchase of summerset.
the game was declining in subs, without a doubt and they are trying to remedy that. You can put your head in the sand but it is what it is. there is a new person on board as stated and they believe in communication and if you don't think communication has been an issue then i dont know what to say.
the mods here, especially Gina need to be booted out. They are useless, unless they are being told to only answer certain things. They pick and choose what they will respond to and tend to jump in only to delete a post or comment on a fluff piece. Have you not noticed almost every long term problem/bug in this game does not get addressed by them?
which brings us to the programmers who cant seem to fix these issues.
so not sure what lol what you are referring too, because of all the mmos and games I have played that required communication between developers and base this one is by far at the bottom. Second place isnt even close.
But i have hopes this new guy will fix this.
Lol. Oh, this made my morning. In terms of programming, "fixing" any kind of issue can be a very long and tedious process, especially if that issue is embedded in a module in which a lot of other modules run through or call up often; which means it can break a lot of different things, even if properly designed and modulated/encapsulated. Also, mods jobs are exactly what you described, they are to enforce the forums rules, they don't even have to comment that they are listening if they really wanted to. In terms of declining subs, that would be an issue, if it's even true, if ESO wasn't a buy-to-play model witch a crown store to further augment their sales.
In terms of morrowind free with summerset, new players are much more likely to buy ESO if they can buy the chapters, and thus more content, altogether. That's what I did when I joined, I bought the morrowind bundle, it's basic business sense. I don't know how you're arriving to your conclusions but thanks for early morning laugh.
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Cleaning house of everyone who knows how a game works and has a set design path and vision? That's going to be disastrous.
I am very, very, VERY glad you're not in charge of ZOS then.the game is starting to fail because of Zos constant bad decisions but they have a new person at the helm that seems to believe in communication so i think there will be a turnaround
they just need to clean house and restaff. programmers, community staff etc.
that's what i would do.
That's probably the most destructive thing you could do to a persistent game.
yet i am right
Programmers would have to learn anything which ESO has specially.
Community staff would mean getting to know new staff and building relationships from the ground up again (not to mention we love our community team)
Some of the staff also come from Bethesda and worked on former TES games meaning they have an understanding of the lore.
You have story writers who are former TSR members and have been working on games and stories for years.
cleaning house doesn't mean to get rid of every person but a large selection or management. Gina needs to go for example, no doubt in my mind. She constantly ignores things. I have been trying for 3 months for them to address an obvious bug that would take them maybe 10 minutes to fix but she just can't be bothered to respond nor any of her staff. The lead programmer needs to go also, for the same reason. Simple bugs are not being fixed. Quality control is absent in this game. They don't test. We all know this. They put out something on pts, people mention the obvious bugs and those bugs go in live.
new blood is also a good thing for a 4 year old game.
you have to keep in mind, this game failed at launch and many of those people that made the decisions that caused it to fail are still on board so i hope people don't think these people are always right.0 -
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Cleaning house of everyone who knows how a game works and has a set design path and vision? That's going to be disastrous.
I am very, very, VERY glad you're not in charge of ZOS then.the game is starting to fail because of Zos constant bad decisions but they have a new person at the helm that seems to believe in communication so i think there will be a turnaround
they just need to clean house and restaff. programmers, community staff etc.
that's what i would do.
That's probably the most destructive thing you could do to a persistent game.
yet i am right
Programmers would have to learn anything which ESO has specially.
Community staff would mean getting to know new staff and building relationships from the ground up again (not to mention we love our community team)
Some of the staff also come from Bethesda and worked on former TES games meaning they have an understanding of the lore.
You have story writers who are former TSR members and have been working on games and stories for years.
cleaning house doesn't mean to get rid of every person but a large selection or management. Gina needs to go for example, no doubt in my mind. She constantly ignores things. I have been trying for 3 months for them to address an obvious bug that would take them maybe 10 minutes to fix but she just can't be bothered to respond nor any of her staff. The lead programmer needs to go also, for the same reason. Simple bugs are not being fixed. Quality control is absent in this game. They don't test. We all know this. They put out something on pts, people mention the obvious bugs and those bugs go in live.
new blood is also a good thing for a 4 year old game.
you have to keep in mind, this game failed at launch and many of those people that made the decisions that caused it to fail are still on board so i hope people don't think these people are always right.
Gotta love them armchair devs!Sweetrolls for all!
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I am fine with the current team, the ones I've had the pleasure to meet or talk with have been great people. They also continue to deliver a game I pay for an enjoy.
Cleaning house of everyone who knows how a game works and has a set design path and vision? That's going to be disastrous.
I am very, very, VERY glad you're not in charge of ZOS then.the game is starting to fail because of Zos constant bad decisions but they have a new person at the helm that seems to believe in communication so i think there will be a turnaround
they just need to clean house and restaff. programmers, community staff etc.
that's what i would do.
That's probably the most destructive thing you could do to a persistent game.
yet i am right
Programmers would have to learn anything which ESO has specially.
Community staff would mean getting to know new staff and building relationships from the ground up again (not to mention we love our community team)
Some of the staff also come from Bethesda and worked on former TES games meaning they have an understanding of the lore.
You have story writers who are former TSR members and have been working on games and stories for years.
cleaning house doesn't mean to get rid of every person but a large selection or management. Gina needs to go for example, no doubt in my mind. She constantly ignores things. I have been trying for 3 months for them to address an obvious bug that would take them maybe 10 minutes to fix but she just can't be bothered to respond nor any of her staff. The lead programmer needs to go also, for the same reason. Simple bugs are not being fixed. Quality control is absent in this game. They don't test. We all know this. They put out something on pts, people mention the obvious bugs and those bugs go in live.
new blood is also a good thing for a 4 year old game.
you have to keep in mind, this game failed at launch and many of those people that made the decisions that caused it to fail are still on board so i hope people don't think these people are always right.
It could be better, but I don't think getting rid of all the people who have a passion for the game and make the community what it is would make me enjoy it more.
Also did you ever think Gina doesn't reply to you because you keep saying she should be fired? Your attitude is pretty much the kind that everyone wants to ignore.
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✭It will still be around for many years... just look at many much older games, still churning out content even though they are very dated, like DC Universe Online, Neverwinter, TERA... and the latter have only just come to console. ESO being a newer, bigger, and better game will be around for a long time. There are tons of areas on the world map to fill in with DLC and Chapters, so that alone will tell you it will not finish in the next 2 years, or even 5
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✭✭ESO will carry on until the money and/or promotional value of it is less then the cost to operate it."The Heritance are racists yes? Idiots. But dangerous, destabilizing racist idiots." - Razum-dar
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knaveofengland✭✭✭first and foremost they have a history of classic games and this is a classic period . as eso stated they have 10 million players thats quite a number .
game will reach a peak and the peak is not here for a number of years yet , in about ten years game will probally become stale when they run out of ideas .0 -
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✭✭ESO is doing great.
If the developers will continue to invest time and money to fix bugs and add new content, ESO will endure for many years.
How many years ?
I'm not a seer but I can estimate based on overall gaming tech advancement(new games will have superior gaming experience etc.) that ESO will endure for at least 5-6 more years, behind that it will be considered a classic game with old gaming tech.
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Pretty much this,It will still be around for many years... just look at many much older games, still churning out content even though they are very dated, like DC Universe Online, Neverwinter, TERA... and the latter have only just come to console. ESO being a newer, bigger, and better game will be around for a long time. There are tons of areas on the world map to fill in with DLC and Chapters, so that alone will tell you it will not finish in the next 2 years, or even 5
Unless an MMO flop hard at the start and they do nothing to fix it its stays around for over an decade often two.
Now they also die slow, first is that they stopped adding new content as its not enough players who buy it.
Later they even stop to add crown store type items as its no marked anymore, still the servers don't cost much to run so they run until it become uneconomical to continue to run them. A couple thousands with eso+ would more than pay for that.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
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✭✭knaveofengland wrote: »first and foremost they have a history of classic games and this is a classic period . as eso stated they have 10 million players thats quite a number .
game will reach a peak and the peak is not here for a number of years yet , in about ten years game will probally become stale when they run out of ideas .
Remember though, those are not 10M active players."The Heritance are racists yes? Idiots. But dangerous, destabilizing racist idiots." - Razum-dar
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Cleaning house of everyone who knows how a game works and has a set design path and vision? That's going to be disastrous.
I am very, very, VERY glad you're not in charge of ZOS then.the game is starting to fail because of Zos constant bad decisions but they have a new person at the helm that seems to believe in communication so i think there will be a turnaround
they just need to clean house and restaff. programmers, community staff etc.
that's what i would do.
That's probably the most destructive thing you could do to a persistent game.
yet i am right
Programmers would have to learn anything which ESO has specially.
Community staff would mean getting to know new staff and building relationships from the ground up again (not to mention we love our community team)
Some of the staff also come from Bethesda and worked on former TES games meaning they have an understanding of the lore.
You have story writers who are former TSR members and have been working on games and stories for years.
they already did clean house a while back and brought in some of the most incompetent people of all time, and STILL have not gotten rid of wroebel.
Original team was really good, tehy should have kept them, but since they didnt and got the mess they have now, they should either get the original team back, which is unlikely, or actually get people that know what they are doing.0 -
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I am fine with the current team, the ones I've had the pleasure to meet or talk with have been great people. They also continue to deliver a game I pay for an enjoy.
Cleaning house of everyone who knows how a game works and has a set design path and vision? That's going to be disastrous.
I am very, very, VERY glad you're not in charge of ZOS then.the game is starting to fail because of Zos constant bad decisions but they have a new person at the helm that seems to believe in communication so i think there will be a turnaround
they just need to clean house and restaff. programmers, community staff etc.
that's what i would do.
That's probably the most destructive thing you could do to a persistent game.
yet i am right
Programmers would have to learn anything which ESO has specially.
Community staff would mean getting to know new staff and building relationships from the ground up again (not to mention we love our community team)
Some of the staff also come from Bethesda and worked on former TES games meaning they have an understanding of the lore.
You have story writers who are former TSR members and have been working on games and stories for years.
cleaning house doesn't mean to get rid of every person but a large selection or management. Gina needs to go for example, no doubt in my mind. She constantly ignores things. I have been trying for 3 months for them to address an obvious bug that would take them maybe 10 minutes to fix but she just can't be bothered to respond nor any of her staff. The lead programmer needs to go also, for the same reason. Simple bugs are not being fixed. Quality control is absent in this game. They don't test. We all know this. They put out something on pts, people mention the obvious bugs and those bugs go in live.
new blood is also a good thing for a 4 year old game.
you have to keep in mind, this game failed at launch and many of those people that made the decisions that caused it to fail are still on board so i hope people don't think these people are always right.
It could be better, but I don't think getting rid of all the people who have a passion for the game and make the community what it is would make me enjoy it more.
Also did you ever think Gina doesn't reply to you because you keep saying she should be fired? Your attitude is pretty much the kind that everyone wants to ignore.
Ive yet to see him say that anywhere else. So.....
Thing is, if the current staff had a passion for the game, things would get done. As it stands a lot doesnt get done. Bugs are rampant, the servers and data centers are in dire need of an upgrade, QA is abysmal, and balancing is a nightmare.
I love this game, and I do enjoy the content a lot , however, you can enjoy the content and not be blind to the things that have persistantly plagued this game since the new team arrived.0
