Is stamina Warden op?

rileynotzb14_ESO · April 2018

EDIT: This poll was posted in the PvP section but since half the ppl voting no are talking about PvE I guess I should clarify...This is a PvP post!

Subversus · April 2018

Yes

For pvp, yes.

WuffyCerulei · April 2018

Yes

Only in pvp atm, but if the new changes stick in Summerset, they won't be so strong anymore. They won't be able to counter almost all range attacks (which I hate cuz I'm range).

Subversus · April 2018

Yes

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

Only in pvp atm, but if the new changes stick in Summerset, they won't be so strong anymore. They won't be able to counter almost all range attacks (which I hate cuz I'm range).

What changes have they made that affects stamden in any way for pvp? The only one I can see that somewhat nerfs them is the duration on major fracture, but that’s irrelevant as it will still provide a close to 100% uptime on targets anyway.

Maura_Neysa · April 2018

No

Subversus wrote: »

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

Only in pvp atm, but if the new changes stick in Summerset, they won't be so strong anymore. They won't be able to counter almost all range attacks (which I hate cuz I'm range).

What changes have they made that affects stamden in any way for pvp? The only one I can see that somewhat nerfs them is the duration on major fracture, but that’s irrelevant as it will still provide a close to 100% uptime on targets anyway.

Shimmering Shield cost is going up. You are right the Fracture change isn't much because you rarely go 10 seconds between cast

UndeniablyAVG · April 2018

Stam warden is in an odd place. Its great for PVP but falls short for PVE, which will make it a nightmare to balance as you will be constantly upsetting one side or the other.

Subversus · April 2018

Yes

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

Only in pvp atm, but if the new changes stick in Summerset, they won't be so strong anymore. They won't be able to counter almost all range attacks (which I hate cuz I'm range).

What changes have they made that affects stamden in any way for pvp? The only one I can see that somewhat nerfs them is the duration on major fracture, but that’s irrelevant as it will still provide a close to 100% uptime on targets anyway.

Shimmering Shield cost is going up. You are right the Fracture change isn't much because you rarely go 10 seconds between cast

I don’t feel as if the shimmering change will do much though, at least not for heavy armor builds (constitution). Medium sure, they’ll have a lower uptime which is nice I guess.

Thogard · April 2018

Yes

Stam Warden is OP against every class except stamblade. Stamblade is a hard counter for Stam warden, and right now everyone is playing a stamblade.

So I’m going to go with a “yes” answer with the caveat that it doesn’t matter since everyone is a stamblade anyway.

cazlonb16_ESO · April 2018

They still barely exist in Cyro, so people in game clearly think they are not.

Maura_Neysa · April 2018

No

Subversus wrote: »

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

Only in pvp atm, but if the new changes stick in Summerset, they won't be so strong anymore. They won't be able to counter almost all range attacks (which I hate cuz I'm range).

What changes have they made that affects stamden in any way for pvp? The only one I can see that somewhat nerfs them is the duration on major fracture, but that’s irrelevant as it will still provide a close to 100% uptime on targets anyway.

Shimmering Shield cost is going up. You are right the Fracture change isn't much because you rarely go 10 seconds between cast

I don’t feel as if the shimmering change will do much though, at least not for heavy armor builds (constitution). Medium sure, they’ll have a lower uptime which is nice I guess.

That may or may not be true. However the question was What changes affect stamden. The answer is Shimmering Shield. Unless you want to count the losing of Major Breach which is group utility, but means nothing to a solo StamDen.

Torbschka · April 2018

No

I dont feel like they are op, I find stam/mag NB way stronger. OFC, they are not weak at all, but in the age of rollerblades and all the upcoming changes (Stabes 2weapons, barely affects stamdem builds though) I dont thibk they are op.

And I barely see any wardens compared to the 40% NB population

Fvh09NL · April 2018

No

I find that in defense they are really strong to fight against, but if you keep moving and evade their shalks they can't land their combo to kill you. This makes their offense potentially strong, much like mag sorcs, but not that easy to land.

Hutch679 · April 2018

No

Negative batman. They aren't anymore deadly than stam/mag sorcs, stam/mag nbs, mag DKs, stam/mag Templars.

Amdar_Godkiller · April 2018

No

Thogard wrote: »

Stam Warden is OP against every class except stamblade. Stamblade is a hard counter for Stam warden, and right now everyone is playing a stamblade.

So I’m going to go with a “yes” answer with the caveat that it doesn’t matter since everyone is a stamblade anyway.

I don't have too many issues with stamblades on my warden. I'd say its a push as long as their buddies aren't popping off snipes during the fight (looking at you AD). Hard counter for stamden is stamplar, because their playstyle prevents you from getting set properly and targeting them with Sub assault.

IV_Deity · April 2018

No

Anyone that says they are "OP" are the ones who don't really understand them. Their move set is highly telegraphed and can easily be countered...its a L2P issue.

DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER · April 2018

Yes

For pvp yes. braindead easymode

JobooAGS · April 2018

No

Pve, could use a buff

rileynotzb14_ESO · April 2018

Yes

JobooAGS wrote: »

Pve, could use a buff

This is in the PvP section for a reason.

DeadlyRecluse · April 2018

Yes

Shimmering shield might be the strongest class-utility spell on any stam class. It's up there with Stamplar's cleanse and stamblades cloak.

The symmetry and ease of setting up dawnbreaker+shalks is absurd. It's a high percentage conal AOE bomb that can be put together really frequently due to high level of ult gain the kit brings to the table.

JobooAGS · April 2018

No

rileynotzb14_ESO wrote: »

JobooAGS wrote: »

Pve, could use a buff

This is in the PvP section for a reason.

My bad, I always have my forums set to most recent

arkansas_ESO · April 2018

Yes

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

Only in pvp atm, but if the new changes stick in Summerset, they won't be so strong anymore. They won't be able to counter almost all range attacks (which I hate cuz I'm range).

It'll still be pretty easy to keep up Shimmering Shield indefinitely. A 15% cost increase isn't that much when you think about how much magicka the skill returns when you absorb a projectile.

I'm also surprised how quickly sentiments change on this forum, just last month everybody said stamden was the most OP thing in the game: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/397880/what-is-the-most-op-thing-right-now/p1

Vapirko · April 2018

No

You can’t just designate a class as OP. Nothing is ever that black and white. I mean yes they have access to a very wide range of abilities and stam wardens are good in PvP, but that’s really it. But their range of abilities is good and should be a model for fine tuning other classes. For example warden is great, but I think Stam Sorc is way more fun to play. Hurricane and crit surge is an awesome combo that rivals certain warden skills. Warden just has more choices. Or power of the light is almost preferable 1v1 over sub assaault because it can’t be dodged. It’s all trade offs. But, warden overall can compete with any class and hold it’s own which to me is the mark of a good class where as other classes are lacking.

Gilvoth · April 2018

Yes

Subversus wrote: »

For pvp, yes.

both stam and magicka are in PvP

pieratsos · April 2018

Yes

Vapirko wrote: »

You can’t just designate a class as OP. Nothing is ever that black and white. I mean yes they have access to a very wide range of abilities and stam wardens are good in PvP, but that’s really it. But their range of abilities is good and should be a model for fine tuning other classes. For example warden is great, but I think Stam Sorc is way more fun to play. Hurricane and crit surge is an awesome combo that rivals certain warden skills. Warden just has more choices. Or power of the light is almost preferable 1v1 over sub assaault because it can’t be dodged. It’s all trade offs. But, warden overall can compete with any class and hold it’s own which to me is the mark of a good class where as other classes are lacking.

Warden in general should be a model to avoid. Not to fine tuning other classes. The class is OP, useless and balanced at the same time. Just a bunch of one trick pony abilities and mechanics with no identity. The class is a freaking mess. Warden should be literally reworked from scratch. The other classes should be used as models to rework wardens. Not the other way around.

ToRelax · April 2018

Yes

Vapirko wrote: »

You can’t just designate a class as OP. Nothing is ever that black and white. I mean yes they have access to a very wide range of abilities and stam wardens are good in PvP, but that’s really it. But their range of abilities is good and should be a model for fine tuning other classes. For example warden is great, but I think Stam Sorc is way more fun to play. Hurricane and crit surge is an awesome combo that rivals certain warden skills. Warden just has more choices. Or power of the light is almost preferable 1v1 over sub assaault because it can’t be dodged. It’s all trade offs. But, warden overall can compete with any class and hold it’s own which to me is the mark of a good class where as other classes are lacking.

This is a poll in the PvP forums about stamina Warden, and in that context it's too strong. It doesn't have anything to do with being fun to play or not, either.
We'll see how next patch will change things, but I don't think it will do much. It seems to me as though ZOS was trying to find a spot for Crystallized shield where it's not overperforming but still relatively cheap to use on both stamina and magicka warden, yet keep the magicka return mechanic to reward useage at the right time/allow for some counterplay... I don't see this working out well.

Priyasekarssk · April 2018

No

rileynotzb14_ESO wrote: »

Curious to see what people think. Part of a larger game.

Not Op. No CC . No execute. Only buffs& burst damage no debuffs. But definitely strong in PVP.

Starlight_Knight · April 2018

No

The class and play style is easy to pick up and learn - it has a nice easy effective burst with dawnbreaker.
But i dont think its op at all,

it has an obvious telegraph to its subterranean assault thats an aoe so it goes through block. but just step to the side or get behind them.

Pvpers are becoming more wise the the burst and are learning how to counter effectively.

I think it was "OP" at first because it was something new and nobody really had an idea about how to counter it.

Metemsycosis · April 2018

No

They're annoyingly tanky and when you find them in a group it's hard to not treat them like healers and focus them hard. The ult gen plus healing ult is op (imo) but their burst is only truly ugly when they throw into a pot of other simultaneous ult drops.

Hutch679 · April 2018

No

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

rileynotzb14_ESO wrote: »

Curious to see what people think. Part of a larger game.

Not Op. No CC . No execute. Only buffs& burst damage no debuffs. But definitely strong in PVP.

Sub assault applies major fracture and major breach.

Machete · April 2018

Yes

Stam warden can time all of its burst into a 3 second window. Sure, you can block it. But what's the point if the class can sustain for days? Fighting a warden is aids. I still feel they should have got minor mending instead of major mending, and switch the below 40% to 75% to proc minor mending

ordraveeb17_ESO · April 2018

No

they are good for PvP, but not so good as NB.

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