If 2-handers count as 2 set pieces, then...

Gnortranermara · April 2018

...we need a major buff to the Broom. When the Broom was introduced, we were only giving up a single set piece slot. Now it's going to be much harder to justify the sacrifice of two set bonuses.

Buff the Broom!

Oh, and also, if it's not too much trouble, the same reasoning applies to Maelstrom/Master/Asylum 2-handers (staff, bow, and 2H).

BUFF ALL THE THINGS!

Lynx7386 · April 2018

No, it doesnt apply to those items at all.

Maelstrom, DSA, and Asylum sets require either the two hander, or BOTH one handed weapons (or shield) to get the set bonus. Basically the two handed weapons from these sources already acted like they were counting for a two piece bonus.

If you want the bonus from dual wield, you have to have both one handed weapons from vma/dsa/asylum, if you want the bonus from 1h/shield you have to have both items for that as well (and the one handers are from different sets, even).

Nobody thinks before they post.

I will agree on the broom though, dual wield brooms should be a thing.

Morgul667 · April 2018

Broom needsd buffing !

PS: maelstrom weapon probably too as they will likely be less competitive but my eyes are on the broom !

Gnortranermara · April 2018

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Nobody thinks before they post.

Hilarious, since you posted this and completely misunderstand the problem.

Currently, when weighing the choice between a special ability-altering weapon (Maelstrom, Master, and Asylum) vs a set weapon, you weigh the altered ability vs a single set bonus. In Summerset, when 2H's (including 2H, staff, & bow) count as 2 set items, you will have to weigh the altered ability vs 2 set bonuses. (Which is even more significant when you realize that the extra bonus gained will be either another 5pc or a monster's 2pc.) The buff to 2H's is an indirect nerf to special ability-altering weapons because it negatively impacts their value relative to other sets. They were balanced against a single set bonus, an assumption that will no longer be true in Summerset. They need a buff to keep up with this change, or they could become obsolete.

IAVITNI · April 2018

Lynx7386 wrote: »

No, it doesnt apply to those items at all.

Maelstrom, DSA, and Asylum sets require either the two hander, or BOTH one handed weapons (or shield) to get the set bonus. Basically the two handed weapons from these sources already acted like they were counting for a two piece bonus.

If you want the bonus from dual wield, you have to have both one handed weapons from vma/dsa/asylum, if you want the bonus from 1h/shield you have to have both items for that as well (and the one handers are from different sets, even).

Nobody thinks before they post.

I will agree on the broom though, dual wield brooms should be a thing.

While I agree with the reasoning to your argument I think people are on the right track, just suggesting the wrong solution. As things are now the traditional 3 pc jewelry set+vMA/vDSA/vAS may no longer be competitive. 2-3-5+1 (Willpower+Trial Weapon setups) are JUST competitive with 2-5/5 setups, how are they going to compete with 2-5-5 or even 2-5-3-1/5 (ex. monster set, 5 pc hulking body, 3 Invigorating Jewlerry, 2h Asylum/Invigorating 2h) setups? If you examine the magsorc meta, 2-3-5 setups will simply be outclassed by back "bar-able" proc sets.

Honestly, I think 2h counting as as 2 set pieces is a lazy way to introduce diversity instead of properly balancing sets so players can choose between the hundreds of available sets instead of the top 10 meta sets.

This also heavily affects balance. Crafted sets, weighted armor (primarily jewlerry) and dropped gear could be balanced with each other, however now they need to be balanced against other. In all honesty, I'm really excited because I can think of so many OP builds to abuse when Summerset launches. But then I dread the incoming cancer builds when the lack of balance amongst sets becomes blatantly clear.

joseayalac · April 2018

in another note, this change will make DW Mag builds less viable because it would have less benefits choosing DW over Staves.

Vaoh · April 2018

joseayalac wrote: »

in another note, this change will make DW Mag builds less viable because it would have less benefits choosing DW over Staves.

I’ve mained a DW Mag Sorc in PvP ever since launch (PS4 NA). The spec has been hammered with nerfs for over 2 years.

Even without this change DW was basically dead. With this change DW Sorc will be 100% finished. Dead. Purely gimping yourself to use it over 2H or Destro.

And tbh that’s okay. It would be a horrible justification to not implement this change on the basis of such an unplayed spec like DW Mag Sorc, or any other DW Mag Build in PvP. I very much look forward to this change

TelvanniWizard · April 2018

SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »

BUFF ALL THE THINGS!

Buff sorcs 2018

Checkmath · April 2018

Msa weapons will still fill the same spot as before. 2h never was used in pve, only staves and bows. On stamina toons the best setup was a 5,5,2 with the bow backbar. You still can run the same thing. Only thing to consider here is, that for stamina toons the sets like sunderflame or nmg, which only were slotted fronbar, now are meaningless. So they have to look for another stamina set giving them some bonus for only fronbarring it.
For magicka best setups were 2 monster, one 5 piece set, msa staff and trial jewellry and staff frontbar. Now magicka chars have the possibility to run a whole set on frontbar. Maybe bsw only frontbar will get famous. Or more builds will see acuity (which also works for stamina, only on one bar) fit into the build. But i think msa and AS staff in one build will see less popularity. But most popular will be sets like warmachine and its magicka version, both with minor slayer and a 5th piece solely for frontbar,

Turelus · April 2018

Remember when the broom came out and there was that one person who was making serious arguments about how it was P2W because it higher stats than a base level 1 item.

Let's not upset that person any more, the Broom remains as it is.

GrigorijMalahevich · April 2018

Buff broom!

Reasonable request to buff vma/assylum/master weapons, but buffing them you can overpower some PvP builds. At the moment my BG setup 5necro/2shadowrend/5lich is getting a huge buff and allows me to use master staff on main bar, but if it will get another buff, this will be very overpowered and unfair against s&b back bar users with 5x sets. Big news for magicka players with back bar resto staffs

Toast_STS · April 2018

Another nerf to all the unarmed builds too

Lexxypwns · April 2018

Lynx7386 wrote: »

No, it doesnt apply to those items at all.

Maelstrom, DSA, and Asylum sets require either the two hander, or BOTH one handed weapons (or shield) to get the set bonus. Basically the two handed weapons from these sources already acted like they were counting for a two piece bonus.

If you want the bonus from dual wield, you have to have both one handed weapons from vma/dsa/asylum, if you want the bonus from 1h/shield you have to have both items for that as well (and the one handers are from different sets, even).

Nobody thinks before they post.

I will agree on the broom though, dual wield brooms should be a thing.

The opportunity cost of using them becomes higher as the value of the slot they take up increases, thus making them less desirable.

You seem to be the one not thinking sir

Beardimus · April 2018

Vaoh wrote: »

joseayalac wrote: »

in another note, this change will make DW Mag builds less viable because it would have less benefits choosing DW over Staves.

I’ve mained a DW Mag Sorc in PvP ever since launch (PS4 NA). The spec has been hammered with nerfs for over 2 years.

Even without this change DW was basically dead. With this change DW Sorc will be 100% finished. Dead. Purely gimping yourself to use it over 2H or Destro.

And tbh that’s okay. It would be a horrible justification to not implement this change on the basis of such an unplayed spec like DW Mag Sorc, or any other DW Mag Build in PvP. I very much look forward to this change

I'm agree the change is the right thing to do, however why kill a niche playstyle in the process. They could buff DW a tad to help it out, both stam and mag players would welcome a buff

If we catering to Sorc tanks why not to mag DD who don't want two wands.

I'm up for the change, just a shame to kill the playstyle

Arkangeloski · April 2018

SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »

...we need a major buff to the Broom. When the Broom was introduced, we were only giving up a single set piece slot. Now it's going to be much harder to justify the sacrifice of two set bonuses.

Buff the Broom!

Oh, and also, if it's not too much trouble, the same reasoning applies to Maelstrom/Master/Asylum 2-handers (staff, bow, and 2H).

BUFF ALL THE THINGS!

Broom? F**** the broom, Vma, Master and Asylum 2h's perhaps?

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO · April 2018

Broom should always have been 1h and the bucket should have been the shield...

Torbschka · April 2018

PvP side:

IMO this "mostly" affects magicka users IF they are wanna use two sets, which should be up on time 100% - e.g. 5x amber/5x shackle/2x monster.

If u are using frontset + backset + Monster or bodyset + SNB set backbar + Monster + vsma etc. u wont notice that much of a "difference" (like 1400willpower mag e.g.).

So this is "only" a huge buff if u wanna have 2 sets active + monster 24/7 - otherwise (lich e.g.) the benefit isn't that huge.

But sure, especially on mag sorcs I can already see *** combinations.