[Summerset DLC] Can I kill queen ayreen as an Imperial? (Warning: Heavy lore/story)
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✭Killing Queen Ayrenn could do worse for the Empire in the long run. As long as she's alive, she works to keep the racist supremacist Altmer in line, who will eventually become the Thalmor of the 4th Era. Killing her now could give them the political overthrow right now that they only get the opportunity to seize during the Oblivion Crisis at the end of the 3rd Era, and who knows what repercussions that could cause.
It could lead to a butterfly effect that would cause Talos to fail to create the Empire that we know in the 3rd Era, because the Altmer sat and waited, considering a diplomatic entry into the Empire not unlike the Dunmer, before Talos nuked them with the Numidium. If the pro-active supremacist Thalmor controlled the might of Summerset before Talos got the Numidium, he might never have gotten the chance to get it, because they wouldn't consider diplomacy. Remember, before he had the Numidium, he didn't think he had the power to take Summerset by force, and he probably didn't.
Of course, this is all hypothetical theory about a hypothetical fantasy, but it's interesting to think about.Edited by Robo_Hobo on April 3, 2018 11:32AM0 -
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Multiple other quests there you killed them, in the first 3 zones in the AD main quest they are the main enemy.Kiralyn2000 wrote: »DeltaForce64x wrote: »DeltaForce64x wrote: »do Imperials are welcomed to the Summerset Island? Because Id like to kill that [snip] queen ayreen for destroying my empire. Well ESO is a basically non-lore/story game since its not a true Elder Scrolls game but I still love to see some quests specific to my female Imperial Mage.
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ESO is canon, actually even more than Skyrim. And actually Ayrenn is the only leader who tried to save second empire of cyrodill, do not mistale with empire of Tamriel founded by Talos.
She is high elf, she is the leader of the Thalmor and the Dominion, that makes her enemy of the state/tamriel in my book.
Just like the Ulffic Stormcloak aka the sleeper agent/asset of the Dominion(proof can be found in Thalmor embassy dossiers), Queen Ayrenn also have to die.
ESO is like 600-800 years before all that. Heck, one of the questlines you do for Ayrenn in Auridon is beating up the Thalmor/Veiled Heritance for being jerks.
Also the veiled Heritance is isolationists, they want to remove the dominion, pull out of cyrodil and kick the bosmer and khajiit out of Ardudin.
The Thalmor is an military unit in the Dominion, not sure that rolle they have but assume its pretty elite, you ran into them in the jester quests, not sure if they was veiled Heritance or just plan racist disliking having to take in bosmer and khajiit.
Skyrim is 1000 year in the future, its dominion is extremely different, its expansionist its again Talos, and yes he is not born in hundreds of years. They pretty much used the Dominion name the same way other has used the caliphate.
[Edit for quote]Edited by ZOS_MattL on April 3, 2018 1:15PMGrinding just make you go in circles.
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The Thalmor is an military unit in the Dominion, not sure that rolle they have but assume its pretty elite, you ran into them in the jester quests, not sure if they was veiled Heritance or just plan racist disliking having to take in bosmer and khajiit.Kiralyn2000 wrote: »DeltaForce64x wrote: »DeltaForce64x wrote: »do Imperials are welcomed to the Summerset Island? Because Id like to kill that [snip] queen ayreen for destroying my empire. Well ESO is a basically non-lore/story game since its not a true Elder Scrolls game but I still love to see some quests specific to my female Imperial Mage.
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ESO is canon, actually even more than Skyrim. And actually Ayrenn is the only leader who tried to save second empire of cyrodill, do not mistale with empire of Tamriel founded by Talos.
She is high elf, she is the leader of the Thalmor and the Dominion, that makes her enemy of the state/tamriel in my book.
Just like the Ulffic Stormcloak aka the sleeper agent/asset of the Dominion(proof can be found in Thalmor embassy dossiers), Queen Ayrenn also have to die.
ESO is like 600-800 years before all that. Heck, one of the questlines you do for Ayrenn in Auridon is beating up the Thalmor/Veiled Heritance for being jerks.
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Those in the Jester's quest are Veiled Heritance if they say bad things, and Thalmor if they say good things.
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That sounds like a perfect job for me.DeltaForce64x wrote: »Kiralyn2000 wrote: »DeltaForce64x wrote: »DeltaForce64x wrote: »do Imperials are welcomed to the Summerset Island? Because Id like to kill that [snip] queen ayreen for destroying my empire. Well ESO is a basically non-lore/story game since its not a true Elder Scrolls game but I still love to see some quests specific to my female Imperial Mage.
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ESO is canon, actually even more than Skyrim. And actually Ayrenn is the only leader who tried to save second empire of cyrodill, do not mistale with empire of Tamriel founded by Talos.
She is high elf, she is the leader of the Thalmor and the Dominion, that makes her enemy of the state/tamriel in my book.
Just like the Ulffic Stormcloak aka the sleeper agent/asset of the Dominion(proof can be found in Thalmor embassy dossiers), Queen Ayrenn also have to die.
ESO is like 600-800 years before all that. Heck, one of the questlines you do for Ayrenn in Auridon is beating up the Thalmor/Veiled Heritance for being jerks.
It is current to me.
That's like time traveling and persecuting people for events that havnt happened yet. The thalmor arnt even the *** they are in the 4th era yet
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✭DeltaForce64x wrote: »do Imperials are welcomed to the Summerset Island? Because Id like to kill that [snip] queen ayreen for destroying my empire. Well ESO is a basically non-lore/story game since its not a true Elder Scrolls game but I still love to see some quests specific to my female Imperial Mage.
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ESO is canon, actually even more than Skyrim. And actually Ayrenn is the only leader who tried to save second empire of cyrodill, do not mistale with empire of Tamriel founded by Talos.
Emeric wants to restore the 2nd empire, so jist jorunn and the tribunal
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Radinyn✭✭✭✭✭DeltaForce64x wrote: »do Imperials are welcomed to the Summerset Island? Because Id like to kill that [snip] queen ayreen for destroying my empire. Well ESO is a basically non-lore/story game since its not a true Elder Scrolls game but I still love to see some quests specific to my female Imperial Mage.
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ESO is canon, actually even more than Skyrim. And actually Ayrenn is the only leader who tried to save second empire of cyrodill, do not mistale with empire of Tamriel founded by Talos.
Emeric wants to restore the 2nd empire, so jist jorunn and the tribunal
Emeric fights with the empire to create his own with capital in Wayrest.
Jorunn just wants to destroy it and don't take anything.
Ayrenn tried to help the empire stay alive.
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✭✭✭DeltaForce64x wrote: »do Imperials are welcomed to the Summerset Island? Because Id like to kill that [snip] queen ayreen for destroying my empire. Well ESO is a basically non-lore/story game since its not a true Elder Scrolls game but I still love to see some quests specific to my female Imperial Mage.
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ESO is lore friendly. ZoS / Beth make the lore. And She didnt destroy the empire, mannimarco did.
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Come within 10 feet of my beloved queen and I'll gut you like a slaughterfish.DeltaForce64x wrote: »do Imperials are welcomed to the Summerset Island? Because Id like to kill that [snip] queen ayreen for destroying my empire.
Queen Ayrenn had nothing to do with the destruction of your empire. Greed of Imperialism did that.
so edgy it cut itself on own edges.
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carljokl✭✭✭Even playing an Imperial race character you play aligned to one of the three factions. There is no option of playing the Imperials as a faction.
For that matter at least two alliance quests involve fighting against the imperials even if you are an imperial.
I hadn't really though so much about playing the imperials as a faction of its own. I had thought about an ability to play the game from the perspective of the other side. Have a character who is Daedric. Having to be dumped out of dark anchors and fight the mortals. Participating in the God of Schemes.....various...schemes.
Queen Ayrenn is arguably the nicest of the 3 faction leaders. She is nice and polite to me even when I represent another faction. Don't kill her. That would make me sad.My Characters
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✭DeltaForce64x wrote: »do Imperials are welcomed to the Summerset Island? Because Id like to kill that [snip] queen ayreen for destroying my empire. Well ESO is a basically non-lore/story game since its not a true Elder Scrolls game but I still love to see some quests specific to my female Imperial Mage.
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ESO is canon, actually even more than Skyrim. And actually Ayrenn is the only leader who tried to save second empire of cyrodill, do not mistale with empire of Tamriel founded by Talos.
Emeric wants to restore the 2nd empire, so jist jorunn and the tribunal
Emeric fights with the empire to create his own with capital in Wayrest.
Jorunn just wants to destroy it and don't take anything.
Ayrenn tried to help the empire stay alive.
Where does it say he wants the capital to be in wayrest?
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✭What I gained from this is that you just want to kill the queen for no reason other than personal pleasure and asking for permission on the forums.Your friendly neighborhood crazy cat lady of ESO
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✭✭✭✭✭SydneyGrey wrote: »
Thalmor and Veiled Heritance are two different groups.Kiralyn2000 wrote: »ESO is like 600-800 years before all that. Heck, one of the questlines you do for Ayrenn in Auridon is beating up the Thalmor/Veiled Heritance for being jerks.
I know. I was thinking about the College of Aldmeri Racism (since we just rode through there a lot doing Jester quests), where they were working together.
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Aaaaaanyway..... honestly, I just don't understand this....im not buying Summerset to do any PvE there as im Pact loyal and AD are the absolute enemy.
...kind of stuff. That kind of faction partisanship, about fictional people in a game. To the point of skipping more story quests & exploring (best part of the game, to me)? Seriously? So confusing.
(Personally, I love games with multiple factions, because that means more starting areas & quest paths to do; as opposed to games - like TERA - where every single character goes through the same story arc. Play ALL the factions! See ALL the starting zones! Wheeeee!
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Sixsixsix161✭✭✭Personally, I don't have a problem with any of the factions, except the Thalmor.
In Skyrim, they keep sending hit squads to kill my characters. If they think they can pressure any faction in doing their bidding, they're wrong lol.
But, I'm teaching them a lesson: The best Thalmor is a dead Thalmor. I see any, they die.
Next, I'm going after their embassy, no one will escape.
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✭✭Sixsixsix161 wrote: »Personally, I don't have a problem with any of the factions, except the Thalmor.
In Skyrim, they keep sending hit squads to kill my characters. If they think they can pressure any faction in doing their bidding, they're wrong lol.
But, I'm teaching them a lesson: The best Thalmor is a dead Thalmor. I see any, they die.
Next, I'm going after their embassy, no one will escape.
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Well the Thalmor of the 2nd Aldmeri Dominion is far different than the Thalmor of the 3rd and 4th. The peaceful, Ayrenn one is the one we're in now. The one that you hate formed after the Oblivion Crisis. Completely different.
You're probably gonna say something like "but the veiled heritance...buh buh buh", the V.H. and the Thalmor of the 2nd Era are not the same thing, despite what you might think.Edited by SilverIce58 on April 3, 2018 5:18PMPC - NACP 1125
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✭theskymoves_ESO wrote: »Lady_Mephala wrote: »
Open your eyes
I was actually hoping we could keep going with this until one would say "Mama, I just killed a queen"
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Xoelarasizerer✭✭✭DeltaForce64x wrote: »do Imperials are welcomed to the Summerset Island? Because Id like to kill that [snip] queen ayreen for destroying my empire. Well ESO is a basically non-lore/story game since its not a true Elder Scrolls game but I still love to see some quests specific to my female Imperial Mage.
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I heard you will be able to in Skyrim 2, alongside the Brotherhood of Steel, when it comes out in 2020.Edited by Xoelarasizerer on April 3, 2018 7:12PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭The Uninvited wrote: »theskymoves_ESO wrote: »Lady_Mephala wrote: »
Open your eyes
I was actually hoping we could keep going with this until one would say "Mama, I just killed a queen"
Eh. "Hammer to fall'' is a better Queen song anyway."If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Kiralyn2000 wrote: »SydneyGrey wrote: »
Thalmor and Veiled Heritance are two different groups.Kiralyn2000 wrote: »ESO is like 600-800 years before all that. Heck, one of the questlines you do for Ayrenn in Auridon is beating up the Thalmor/Veiled Heritance for being jerks.
I know. I was thinking about the College of Aldmeri Racism (since we just rode through there a lot doing Jester quests), where they were working together.
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Aaaaaanyway..... honestly, I just don't understand this....im not buying Summerset to do any PvE there as im Pact loyal and AD are the absolute enemy.
...kind of stuff. That kind of faction partisanship, about fictional people in a game. To the point of skipping more story quests & exploring (best part of the game, to me)? Seriously? So confusing.
(Personally, I love games with multiple factions, because that means more starting areas & quest paths to do; as opposed to games - like TERA - where every single character goes through the same story arc. Play ALL the factions! See ALL the starting zones! Wheeeee! )
It's each to their own, @Kiralyn2000 i don't play content I don't enjoy. And part of the enjoyment for me (even as a completer finisher) is faction loyalty. I hate AD, part lore, mainly due to behaviour in PvP. I enjoy PvP more by having fierce alliance loyalty unlike the alliance switchers who just game it.
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DeltaForce64x✭✭✭PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »♫Ayrenn, Ayrenn,♫
♫Where have you been?♫
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✭✭✭✭✭DeltaForce64x wrote: »Well ESO is a basically non-lore/story game since its not a true Elder Scrolls game
That's a load of bull. Not being a singleplayer title doesn't mean it isn't a "true" Elder Scrolls game.CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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DeltaForce64x✭✭✭DeltaForce64x wrote: »Well ESO is a basically non-lore/story game since its not a true Elder Scrolls game
That's a load of bull. Not being a singleplayer title doesn't mean it isn't a "true" Elder Scrolls game.
Elder Scrolls games always been single player only games, with high quality storyline. ESO is developed by Zenimax, Oblivion,Skyrim is developed by Bethesda Game Studios. Two different companies in same house. They should have continue to the tradition with same developers.
In Elder Scrolls games your story choices actually matters and continues, In ESO there's no story. You just helping people randomly and that isnt connected to each other.
Also, ESO did a terrible launch remember? Plus, no one asked for a MMO. Many people asked for the next elder scrolls game.
But hey, I still have ESO on my Steam account and I'm still glad I purchased the Imperial Edition. Because its better than nothing. Clearly Fallout 4 is not playable with that 20 years old engine.0 -
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✭✭Come within 10 feet of my beloved queen and I'll gut you like a slaughterfish.
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