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Concealed weapon not doing sneak damage?!?
Tapio75
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Hey.
To an enemy NPC who is totally unaware of me, right from behind from shadowy disguise and also on sneak, the skill does not ever seem to be applying any sneak attack bonus to surprise attacks.
It does stun and all that, but the damage is maybe about 5% of the normal trash NPC's health bar, so it seems to not apply any additional damage there.
I do know, that the tooltip is not saying anything about sneak bonus or anything like that, but the stamina morph does not say it either, and my other Stamina NB who uses that morph, does the massive sneak damage every time he attacks from invisibility or sneak.
Differencies are, he is a stamina build with mediu,m armor and dual wield and this one is magicka with fire staff and light armor.
But as far as i understand, weapon does not play a role on this ability.
Whats this?
Edited by Tapio75 on April 2, 2018 8:39PM To an enemy NPC who is totally unaware of me, right from behind from shadowy disguise and also on sneak, the skill does not ever seem to be applying any sneak attack bonus to surprise attacks.
It does stun and all that, but the damage is maybe about 5% of the normal trash NPC's health bar, so it seems to not apply any additional damage there.
I do know, that the tooltip is not saying anything about sneak bonus or anything like that, but the stamina morph does not say it either, and my other Stamina NB who uses that morph, does the massive sneak damage every time he attacks from invisibility or sneak.
Differencies are, he is a stamina build with mediu,m armor and dual wield and this one is magicka with fire staff and light armor.
But as far as i understand, weapon does not play a role on this ability.
Whats this?
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DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Only stamina skills from behind the target gain sneak attack modifier (in PvE, was removed from PvP in Morrowind patch), all magicka skills get is the Master Assassin passive (+10% weapon dmg while stealthed) & Bosmer/Khajiit +10% stealth damage passive.Edited by DDuke on April 2, 2018 8:39PM0 -
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✭✭I think the extra damage only happens on a physical attack, not on a magickal/elemental attack.0 -
Tapio75✭✭✭✭✭
✭So the stamina magicka difference is the issue here, but i dont see the logick behind this. If we think it this way, both morphs summon a magicqal weapon, so its basically the same, just the resource changes and the side effect.
The lore reason that #MAgicka emits light and sounds" does not seem to apply here either, since they both produce the same thing. Also i would assume Blade of voe as a similar ability that is magical in nature, so the reasoning does not apply to me and i dont see any balance reason to not allow this to apply sneak attack in PVE.>>PC-EU Mostly PVE. Played since BETA<<0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Basically, since this game came out, Magic has never been part of the Sneak Bonus. I guess the NPCs hear the spell being cast or something.Enjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.
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✭SoBasically, since this game came out, Magic has never been part of the Sneak Bonus. I guess the NPCs hear the spell being cast or something.
This does not work though, I would assume that if the lore reason is behind this, the blade of voe would be heard also, and at least bounty applied each time its used since the victim heard it
The stamina morph is the same sound is same as the magicka and they both are basically spells, other could be regqarded as a will based spell /Stamina) and the other, intellect and studyt (Magicka).
If anything, practised spellcasters especially in areas of assassination, would be able to cast silent spells and at least, more elegant and subtle than primal will spells.
Then again enemies dont hear my "Swooshswoosh" from shadowy disguise either >.>
In any case, i guess i just have to revert it back to stamina morph, since even with minor stamina pool, the damage is much greater with sneak bonus than it will ever be with magicka, and the speed bonus can be achieved in other ways, like i being a vampire or wearing a Nights silence set.
I think this morph would be much more useful with added sneak bonus to just this attack.
i would also argue, that the sound and visual effect for magicka morphs would do with more shadowu appearane and less clanky noise
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✭✭✭Basically, since this game came out, Magic has never been part of the Sneak Bonus. I guess the NPCs hear the spell being cast or something.
Nightblade used to get Sneak Attack bonus on Ambush and Concealed Weapon
the bonus was taken from Magblades around the time that Stamina morphs became a thing
Stygian Armour set was kind of fun for lolsy kills for a whileEdited by Samadhi on April 2, 2018 9:25PM"If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
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✭Basically, since this game came out, Magic has never been part of the Sneak Bonus. I guess the NPCs hear the spell being cast or something.
Nightblade used to get Sneak Attack bonus on Ambush and Concealed Weapon
the bonus was taken from Magblades around the time that Stamina morphs became a thing
Stygian Armour set was kind of fun for lolsy kills for a while
Yeah, i remember ambush giving big hits back at the day, it was fun
Though i thought this particular skill still did gave the bonus, why not give it back to it and prevent op stuff in other ways?
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