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regarding pre order free Morrowind
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kargen27✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »If I got a dollar for every time I hear "that's how MMOs work" I would be a rich man.
true, but you'd have to listen to all the people claiming they heard it before too and they didn't get their dollars so it isn't fair
the reason question is. does pre order come with morrowind. if yes, give us code. if no , then change the wording. if you are not giving us the code for morrowind then give us something else instead. is that too hard to understand?
like you are buying bread that come with free cheese. when the seller refuse to give your "free cheese" because you already have one. wouldn't you complain? like i said, either morrowind code so we can gift to friend. or give us something else to compensate for it.
At least pick an analogy that works. If you have Morrowind you can play it now. After Summerset drops guess what... you can still play Morrowind. With cheese you can eat one piece of cheese then eat another piece of cheese. With Morrowind there is no advantage to you having it twice.
Rebates and deals happen across the business spectrum to attract new customers. Cable television and phone companies offer a couple of free or discounted months for new customers. First orders at most online stores come with a discount that returning customers do not get.
Offering Morrowind is an incentive for new players to the game. The offering will attract more players to the game and that is good for the game. You should be happy they offer this package to new players as it will make the game you play better.
What is hard to understand is why you think you need something for free simply because other people are getting a package deal. A deal that is actually beneficial to you and every other person that plays the game.
are you people really that boring? if you are only here to tell me to stop, i have give up on the last page, if you are just here to beat a dead horse, then lets us continue.
yes, some business tend to do that, does it make it right? there are still slavery over the world, does that make them morally correct? True, Zos may do what they like, and most likely they will ignore my request. but there is nothing wrong asking is there? unless, it is like that cable company in south park.. lol
p.s. am really confused. it seem people are really against other asking for stuff, even when they are asking for everyone. and the only reason they are given is some "other" company does it. so it make it OK, and morally correct. And it would be stupid for anything to go against it.................i know am a bit chaotic in nature, but are people on forum mostly lawful evil? or is there some other reason behind it?
Even superman couldn't make that leap! Slavery is the same thing as you not getting a promo being offered to new customers. This isn't a moral issue not even a little bit. Again offering this package to new players is good for the game. I don't begrudge them getting a better deal than I got a year ago when the content was fresh. I'm happy for them and don't expect anything sent my way because they are getting a good deal. Morrowind was worth what I paid for it when I purchased it. That it is now offered at a lower price in no way diminishes the value to me.
And yes of course you can ask for some kind of compensation. I replied with the reason why deals like this are packaged. It adds incentive for new players to try the game and that is good for the game. We should be happy that ZoS is making the effort to bring new people into the game. Chances are if Summerset were stand alone with no other content attached there would be very few players enticed into purchasing the game.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."0 -
lihentian✭✭✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »If I got a dollar for every time I hear "that's how MMOs work" I would be a rich man.
true, but you'd have to listen to all the people claiming they heard it before too and they didn't get their dollars so it isn't fair
the reason question is. does pre order come with morrowind. if yes, give us code. if no , then change the wording. if you are not giving us the code for morrowind then give us something else instead. is that too hard to understand?
like you are buying bread that come with free cheese. when the seller refuse to give your "free cheese" because you already have one. wouldn't you complain? like i said, either morrowind code so we can gift to friend. or give us something else to compensate for it.
At least pick an analogy that works. If you have Morrowind you can play it now. After Summerset drops guess what... you can still play Morrowind. With cheese you can eat one piece of cheese then eat another piece of cheese. With Morrowind there is no advantage to you having it twice.
Rebates and deals happen across the business spectrum to attract new customers. Cable television and phone companies offer a couple of free or discounted months for new customers. First orders at most online stores come with a discount that returning customers do not get.
Offering Morrowind is an incentive for new players to the game. The offering will attract more players to the game and that is good for the game. You should be happy they offer this package to new players as it will make the game you play better.
What is hard to understand is why you think you need something for free simply because other people are getting a package deal. A deal that is actually beneficial to you and every other person that plays the game.
are you people really that boring? if you are only here to tell me to stop, i have give up on the last page, if you are just here to beat a dead horse, then lets us continue.
yes, some business tend to do that, does it make it right? there are still slavery over the world, does that make them morally correct? True, Zos may do what they like, and most likely they will ignore my request. but there is nothing wrong asking is there? unless, it is like that cable company in south park.. lol
p.s. am really confused. it seem people are really against other asking for stuff, even when they are asking for everyone. and the only reason they are given is some "other" company does it. so it make it OK, and morally correct. And it would be stupid for anything to go against it.................i know am a bit chaotic in nature, but are people on forum mostly lawful evil? or is there some other reason behind it?
Even superman couldn't make that leap! Slavery is the same thing as you not getting a promo being offered to new customers. This isn't a moral issue not even a little bit. Again offering this package to new players is good for the game. I don't begrudge them getting a better deal than I got a year ago when the content was fresh. I'm happy for them and don't expect anything sent my way because they are getting a good deal. Morrowind was worth what I paid for it when I purchased it. That it is now offered at a lower price in no way diminishes the value to me.
And yes of course you can ask for some kind of compensation. I replied with the reason why deals like this are packaged. It adds incentive for new players to try the game and that is good for the game. We should be happy that ZoS is making the effort to bring new people into the game. Chances are if Summerset were stand alone with no other content attached there would be very few players enticed into purchasing the game.
i agree that giving free morrowind will encourage player who never play the game before. (new player don't have base game, so this is mostly for people who played for a while but never bought anything). but on the other hand wouldn't it make sense to please your paying customer then to focus all on people who barely ever spend?
they could please everyone.. like i said. for people without morrowind, they get a big bonus. they get morrowind. for everyone with morrowind add on month of vip.. or give a code for morrowind so we could invite family and friend to join us in nirn. wouldn't this benefit everyone?
i never blame them to hand out morrowind did i? like i said.. i wouldn't have any issue if they make morrowind completely free for everyone. because that means i will have easier time finding group for world boss and trial~~very unlikely doesn't means totally impossible, according to the string theory, everything is possible~~ XD
well, there's a lot more than just the one string theory, and none of them state that everything is possible. compared to the infinite possible configurations of the Calabi-Yau manifolds, the subset that could conceivably correspond with our most precise measurements is extremely small, for one thing.
but that's not your main point. the main point is we will accept any excuse whatsoever for a free month of ESO+!
(and also that quantum mechanics' Many-Worlds Theorem is not string theory.)
string theory is about multi dimension right? like a branch of tree, if something might happen, it will happen in atleast one of the dimension... please do correct me if am wrong
p.s. at this point i don't really care about this anymore.. but i get a bounty.. so i have to find something to do.Edited by lihentian on March 31, 2018 1:25AM0 -
srfrogg23✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Why?
Because an old chapter gets added as a limited incentive to pre-order the next chapter?
Get over it. That’s how mmo’s Work. You’re not owed anything. No refunds, no free ESO+, no gestures of goodwill because as it turns out, this is not a wrong thing for them to do.
because they are giving out morrowind as part of the pre order. or they could give us a code for morrowind so we can gift to friend. we did bought morrowind the second time.. did we not?
p.s. one month of vip is way cheaper then the price of morrowind. even when it is on sale.
To the contrary, no, you did not buy it a second time. It is free as a pre-order bonus.
Zenimax holds the license and it is well within their purview to give away their product for free...even to people who already have it.
yea, you could argue that everything in the pre order bonus is free? but is it really free? if it is free can i get it without paying? really confused about the term "free", because usually it means you don't have to pay. when you pay for something, you don't usually call it "free". like when you buy pizzard, you get a box and some sauce along with it. are these free? if true, then wouldn't you complain if your pizza were delivered without them?Scorpiodisc wrote: »
yea am really confused about how free work... please explain how free stuff work. especially we do have to pay for the bundle. it come with the bundle, but is it really free? if it is, please get everyone in game morrowind expansion, since it is "free"GeorgeBlack wrote: »Nobody owes you anything
true, but i don't own you anything either~~
Nope, you can’t get the preorder stuff without paying, but if you wait long enough, you can get the game for the same price without the preorder stuff.
(That means the preorder stuff is free as a preorder promotion to get early sales.)
my question is are pre order stuff free? would you be angry if you pre order but never get any of the pre order item? they are free right? so by your theory you shouldn't complain if you never get them.
p.s. at this point i don't really see your point. am not sure what you are trying to say. also that is the point for pre order. you get bonus for paying the full price. instead of wait and buy at discount price. so is it so wrong to ask for some sugar on top of our sweet?
My point is that getting a free copy of Morrowind as a preorder bonus with the Summerset expansions does not constitute “buying it twice”. When Summerset goes live, the preorder bonuses will not be available, but it will still cost $30, or $40 for the collector’s edition.
Morrowind is free as a promotional item, you get it whether or not you already have it.
Would I be annoyed if I didn’t get my preorder bonuses? Of course, but not because I think they costed money. I would be annoyed because I preordered specifically to get the preorder bonuses. I got them though, so it’s a moot point, Zos fulfilled their end of the bargain.
And yes, there will come a time when Summerset will be discounted, probably even free. How long are you willing to wait for that? Until the next expansion?Edited by srfrogg23 on March 31, 2018 1:29AM1 -
lihentian✭✭✭✭✭very unlikely doesn't means totally impossible, according to the string theory, everything is possible~~ XD
well, there's a lot more than just the one string theory, and none of them state that everything is possible. compared to the infinite possible configurations of the Calabi-Yau manifolds, the subset that could conceivably correspond with our most precise measurements is extremely small, for one thing.
but that's not your main point. the main point is we will accept any excuse whatsoever for a free month of ESO+!
(and also that quantum mechanics' Many-Worlds Theorem is not string theory.)
string theory is about multi dimension right? like a branch of tree, if something might happen, it will happen in atleast one of the dimension... please do correct mWhy?
Because an old chapter gets added as a limited incentive to pre-order the next chapter?
Get over it. That’s how mmo’s Work. You’re not owed anything. No refunds, no free ESO+, no gestures of goodwill because as it turns out, this is not a wrong thing for them to do.
because they are giving out morrowind as part of the pre order. or they could give us a code for morrowind so we can gift to friend. we did bought morrowind the second time.. did we not?
p.s. one month of vip is way cheaper then the price of morrowind. even when it is on sale.
To the contrary, no, you did not buy it a second time. It is free as a pre-order bonus.
Zenimax holds the license and it is well within their purview to give away their product for free...even to people who already have it.
yea, you could argue that everything in the pre order bonus is free? but is it really free? if it is free can i get it without paying? really confused about the term "free", because usually it means you don't have to pay. when you pay for something, you don't usually call it "free". like when you buy pizzard, you get a box and some sauce along with it. are these free? if true, then wouldn't you complain if your pizza were delivered without them?Scorpiodisc wrote: »
yea am really confused about how free work... please explain how free stuff work. especially we do have to pay for the bundle. it come with the bundle, but is it really free? if it is, please get everyone in game morrowind expansion, since it is "free"GeorgeBlack wrote: »Nobody owes you anything
true, but i don't own you anything either~~
Nope, you can’t get the preorder stuff without paying, but if you wait long enough, you can get the game for the same price without the preorder stuff.
(That means the preorder stuff is free as a preorder promotion to get early sales.)
my question is are pre order stuff free? would you be angry if you pre order but never get any of the pre order item? they are free right? so by your theory you shouldn't complain if you never get them.
p.s. at this point i don't really see your point. am not sure what you are trying to say. also that is the point for pre order. you get bonus for paying the full price. instead of wait and buy at discount price. so is it so wrong to ask for some sugar on top of our sweet?
My point is that getting a free copy of Morrowind as a preorder bonus with the Summerset expansions does not constitute “buying it twice”. When Summerset goes live, the preorder bonuses will not be available, but it will still cost $30, or $40 for the collector’s edition.
Morrowind is free as a promotional item, you get it whether or not you already have it.
Would I be annoyed if I didn’t get my preorder bonuses? Of course, but not because I think they costed money. I would be annoyed because I preordered specifically to get the preorder bonuses. I got them though, so it’s a moot point, Zos fulfilled their end of the bargain.
And yes, there will come a time when Summerset will be discounted, probably even free. How long are you willing to wait for that? Until the next expansion?
i already pre order the collector edition.. i thought i made it very clear that am asking for my friend. they like to wait for discount. since several of them already bought morrowind. and for those who don't have morrowind, they mostly spend their time else where in other games. so i thought maybe if they hand out a morrowind code with pre order i could get my friends to pre order this expansion. and those extra code could be given to those who have given up in elder scroll online.
now? i don't care any more~~ i guess i could join them in other games when am not playing eso... hopefully their community are more maturer and reasonable.
Edited by lihentian on March 31, 2018 1:39AM0 -
Silver_Strider✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭A 12 month head start on people that didn't buy it isn't enough?
are you suggesting that everyone bought morrowind at pre order? i did, but several of my friend bought morrowind only a month ago, now it is free with pre order of next expansion. have you ever think of them? and how they might feel? how about give everyone who did not pre order morrowind a refound for their morrowind chapter when they pre order summerset?DMuehlhausen wrote: »Why?
Because an old chapter gets added as a limited incentive to pre-order the next chapter?
Get over it. That’s how mmo’s Work. You’re not owed anything. No refunds, no free ESO+, no gestures of goodwill because as it turns out, this is not a wrong thing for them to do.
because they are giving out morrowind as part of the pre order. or they could give us a code for morrowind so we can gift to friend. we did bought morrowind the second time.. did we not?
p.s. one month of vip is way cheaper then the price of morrowind. even when it is on sale.
As he stated every MMO does this, and eventually they release groups/package deals. You realize if they didn't do this stuff it would cost somebody nearly 1,000$ USD to get into Everquest if they wanted. Even WoW would be like 500$ to get into it?
You bought the game, now they are releasing content and giving people who want to get into the game access to the previous content. They all do it, it's not going to change you are owed nothing.
that is not how mmo work, does wow hand out free expansion when they release a new one? if we are paying for it, then give us the code, if not compensate for it.
p.s. are you a player or the game company? it almost sound as you encourage this kind of business model..
Correction, that is not how SOME MMOs work. WoW might not hand out Expansions for free but FFXIV does give you the Heavensward expansion for free if you buy the Stormblood expansion.Argonian forever0 -
swippy✭✭✭✭✭string theory is about multi dimension right? like a branch of tree, if something might happen, it will happen in atleast one of the dimension... please do correct me if am wrong
well, most string theories incorporate what's called multidimensionality, but some people hear that word and start to think of like Dimension X. but this is more like the spatial dimensions, where the difference is 90 degrees geometrically. so, height is perpendicular to width, and both those are perpendicular to depth, like the x, y and z in everyday space. then time is considered a 4th dimension, even though we never see it acting in a "downward" or "backward" way. so we're accustomed to about 4 dimensions.
where that model interacts with string theory multidimensionally is that most of the mathematically self-consistent theories require way more than our regular 4 dimensions to correspond with what we see in real life. they're kind of complicating things in hopes of being able to simplify it all later. supposedly there's an ideal way for many more dimensions (10 or 11 or 26 or whatever ends up working, very tough stuff to visualize) to wrap around each other in just such a way as to describe our universe. the trouble is, if one of these dimensions goes through another one the wrong way, then we don't get the observed charge of an electron, and if another one's curve is just a little bit off, then a neutron weighs as much as an apple. it's really tough to get right, even though other areas of the math, like super-symmetries, indicate it's a promising field of study.
but all that's different than the "parallel universes" idea that i think you were getting at. that's much older physics, i think by about 40 years. that idea can be simplified by thinking about something like dice. so you roll one die, and it might land on any of six sides, right? then any of those sides can be face-up, but just like one millimeter farther from you on the table, or nearer, or to the left, etc... well when you look at totally random stuff close enough, it turns out that the math can consider each possibility equally "real." you can treat each possibility as a realistic and legitimate result.
well, some folks got used to thinking that way, and got so comfortable with the idea that they decided to postulate that the math reflected reality. physicists love doing that stuff. (there are actually lots of reasons why it wasn't as flippant as i'm making it sound, but) if they didn't do that stuff we probably wouldn't have GPS or GPUs just yet. so when every possibility is equally valid, you end up with every conceivable universe being granted conceptual (if not observable) reality.
that's the short version. but the string theory and the alternate universes are not necessarily interconnected ideas. you could make a purely deterministic string theory. i skipped a lot of cool stuff to try to make it readable while hitting your points; obviously i love this stuff.
but back on topic so i don't get banned or something: i hear there are other places to get stuff like keys for DLC and Chapters and Crowns. i've seen other people talk about them on the forums without consequence so i don't think they're illicit. sometimes that's a cheaper alternative, from what i understand. that might get you closer to what you're looking for. it's like websites that run their own deals; like if Wal-Mart had overstocked their Pringles or something. i don't know any sites, but it might be reasonably googlable.0 -
lihentian✭✭✭✭✭string theory is about multi dimension right? like a branch of tree, if something might happen, it will happen in atleast one of the dimension... please do correct me if am wrong
well, most string theories incorporate what's called multidimensionality, but some people hear that word and start to think of like Dimension X. but this is more like the spatial dimensions, where the difference is 90 degrees geometrically. so, height is perpendicular to width, and both those are perpendicular to depth, like the x, y and z in everyday space. then time is considered a 4th dimension, even though we never see it acting in a "downward" or "backward" way. so we're accustomed to about 4 dimensions.
where that model interacts with string theory multidimensionally is that most of the mathematically self-consistent theories require way more than our regular 4 dimensions to correspond with what we see in real life. they're kind of complicating things in hopes of being able to simplify it all later. supposedly there's an ideal way for many more dimensions (10 or 11 or 26 or whatever ends up working, very tough stuff to visualize) to wrap around each other in just such a way as to describe our universe. the trouble is, if one of these dimensions goes through another one the wrong way, then we don't get the observed charge of an electron, and if another one's curve is just a little bit off, then a neutron weighs as much as an apple. it's really tough to get right, even though other areas of the math, like super-symmetries, indicate it's a promising field of study.
but all that's different than the "parallel universes" idea that i think you were getting at. that's much older physics, i think by about 40 years. that idea can be simplified by thinking about something like dice. so you roll one die, and it might land on any of six sides, right? then any of those sides can be face-up, but just like one millimeter farther from you on the table, or nearer, or to the left, etc... well when you look at totally random stuff close enough, it turns out that the math can consider each possibility equally "real." you can treat each possibility as a realistic and legitimate result.
well, some folks got used to thinking that way, and got so comfortable with the idea that they decided to postulate that the math reflected reality. physicists love doing that stuff. (there are actually lots of reasons why it wasn't as flippant as i'm making it sound, but) if they didn't do that stuff we probably wouldn't have GPS or GPUs just yet. so when every possibility is equally valid, you end up with every conceivable universe being granted conceptual (if not observable) reality.
that's the short version. but the string theory and the alternate universes are not necessarily interconnected ideas. you could make a purely deterministic string theory. i skipped a lot of cool stuff to try to make it readable while hitting your points; obviously i love this stuff.
but back on topic so i don't get banned or something: i hear there are other places to get stuff like keys for DLC and Chapters and Crowns. i've seen other people talk about them on the forums without consequence so i don't think they're illicit. sometimes that's a cheaper alternative, from what i understand. that might get you closer to what you're looking for. it's like websites that run their own deals; like if Wal-Mart had overstocked their Pringles or something. i don't know any sites, but it might be reasonably googlable.
yes i know, we could pre order from third party site. which usually offer a discount. like this time, some site is given 23% discount on the summer set expansion. but i usually pre order to support the game, so i always pre order from their site. am not really short of anything at the moment. am just a casual player XD0 -
Linaleah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭A 12 month head start on people that didn't buy it isn't enough?
are you suggesting that everyone bought morrowind at pre order? i did, but several of my friend bought morrowind only a month ago, now it is free with pre order of next expansion. have you ever think of them? and how they might feel? how about give everyone who did not pre order morrowind a refound for their morrowind chapter when they pre order summerset?DMuehlhausen wrote: »Why?
Because an old chapter gets added as a limited incentive to pre-order the next chapter?
Get over it. That’s how mmo’s Work. You’re not owed anything. No refunds, no free ESO+, no gestures of goodwill because as it turns out, this is not a wrong thing for them to do.
because they are giving out morrowind as part of the pre order. or they could give us a code for morrowind so we can gift to friend. we did bought morrowind the second time.. did we not?
p.s. one month of vip is way cheaper then the price of morrowind. even when it is on sale.
As he stated every MMO does this, and eventually they release groups/package deals. You realize if they didn't do this stuff it would cost somebody nearly 1,000$ USD to get into Everquest if they wanted. Even WoW would be like 500$ to get into it?
You bought the game, now they are releasing content and giving people who want to get into the game access to the previous content. They all do it, it's not going to change you are owed nothing.
that is not how mmo work, does wow hand out free expansion when they release a new one? if we are paying for it, then give us the code, if not compensate for it.
p.s. are you a player or the game company? it almost sound as you encourage this kind of business model..
actualy.. wow does. once the newest expansion is live, all the prior expansions get rolled into a base game purchase. if you want to play legion now, you still have to buy it, but if you are willing to wait until BfA is out? you get it rolled into your base game.
and personaly, I think its nice as a promotion because its a motivation for someone who may want to wait for a sale - to buy game now and play in those those - now. since you know, morrowind will stop being included with summerset after june 12 and will have to be purchased separately again. its a limited time incentive. even single player games do this - offer an additional mission pack for free IF you preorder, but if you do not - you have to pay extra for it.
as for your later example of buying an iphone, in general if companies offer discounts on newest phones? its becasue you are either signing up for a long plan (so comparable to buying upcoming expansion now, rather then waiting if it goes on sale later) or even better - if you trade in your old phone so that they can sell it to someone else. ergo, your example of phone companies doesn't really work. you know what is a more apt example? cable and/or steaming companies offering limited time discounted subscription deals... but ONLY if you are new customer.
oh and the reason to be in favor for this is not merely becasue its an industry standard, but because some of us think that having acess to something for up to a year while someone else chooses to wait - is good enough incentive to pay. think of it as paying extra for faster shipping when you buy something online.Edited by Linaleah on March 31, 2018 3:20AMdirty worthless casual.
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Cpt_Teemo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Silver_Strider wrote: »A 12 month head start on people that didn't buy it isn't enough?
are you suggesting that everyone bought morrowind at pre order? i did, but several of my friend bought morrowind only a month ago, now it is free with pre order of next expansion. have you ever think of them? and how they might feel? how about give everyone who did not pre order morrowind a refound for their morrowind chapter when they pre order summerset?DMuehlhausen wrote: »Why?
Because an old chapter gets added as a limited incentive to pre-order the next chapter?
Get over it. That’s how mmo’s Work. You’re not owed anything. No refunds, no free ESO+, no gestures of goodwill because as it turns out, this is not a wrong thing for them to do.
because they are giving out morrowind as part of the pre order. or they could give us a code for morrowind so we can gift to friend. we did bought morrowind the second time.. did we not?
p.s. one month of vip is way cheaper then the price of morrowind. even when it is on sale.
As he stated every MMO does this, and eventually they release groups/package deals. You realize if they didn't do this stuff it would cost somebody nearly 1,000$ USD to get into Everquest if they wanted. Even WoW would be like 500$ to get into it?
You bought the game, now they are releasing content and giving people who want to get into the game access to the previous content. They all do it, it's not going to change you are owed nothing.
that is not how mmo work, does wow hand out free expansion when they release a new one? if we are paying for it, then give us the code, if not compensate for it.
p.s. are you a player or the game company? it almost sound as you encourage this kind of business model..
Correction, that is not how SOME MMOs work. WoW might not hand out Expansions for free but FFXIV does give you the Heavensward expansion for free if you buy the Stormblood expansion.
WoW didn't hand out previous expansions for free in the past, but when Legion launched they implemented all previous expansions into the base game0 -
lihentian✭✭✭✭✭A 12 month head start on people that didn't buy it isn't enough?
are you suggesting that everyone bought morrowind at pre order? i did, but several of my friend bought morrowind only a month ago, now it is free with pre order of next expansion. have you ever think of them? and how they might feel? how about give everyone who did not pre order morrowind a refound for their morrowind chapter when they pre order summerset?DMuehlhausen wrote: »Why?
Because an old chapter gets added as a limited incentive to pre-order the next chapter?
Get over it. That’s how mmo’s Work. You’re not owed anything. No refunds, no free ESO+, no gestures of goodwill because as it turns out, this is not a wrong thing for them to do.
because they are giving out morrowind as part of the pre order. or they could give us a code for morrowind so we can gift to friend. we did bought morrowind the second time.. did we not?
p.s. one month of vip is way cheaper then the price of morrowind. even when it is on sale.
As he stated every MMO does this, and eventually they release groups/package deals. You realize if they didn't do this stuff it would cost somebody nearly 1,000$ USD to get into Everquest if they wanted. Even WoW would be like 500$ to get into it?
You bought the game, now they are releasing content and giving people who want to get into the game access to the previous content. They all do it, it's not going to change you are owed nothing.
that is not how mmo work, does wow hand out free expansion when they release a new one? if we are paying for it, then give us the code, if not compensate for it.
p.s. are you a player or the game company? it almost sound as you encourage this kind of business model..
actualy.. wow does. once the newest expansion is live, all the prior expansions get rolled into a base game purchase. if you want to play legion now, you still have to buy it, but if you are willing to wait until BfA is out? you get it rolled into your base game.
and personaly, I think its nice as a promotion because its a motivation for someone who may want to wait for a sale - to buy game now and play in those those - now. since you know, morrowind will stop being included with summerset after june 12 and will have to be purchased separately again. its a limited time incentive. even single player games do this - offer an additional mission pack for free IF you preorder, but if you do not - you have to pay extra for it.
as for your later example of buying an iphone, in general if companies offer discounts on newest phones? its becasue you are either signing up for a long plan (so comparable to buying upcoming expansion now, rather then waiting if it goes on sale later) or even better - if you trade in your old phone so that they can sell it to someone else. ergo, your example of phone companies doesn't really work. you know what is a more apt example? cable and/or steaming companies offering limited time discounted subscription deals... but ONLY if you are new customer.
oh and the reason to be in favor for this is not merely becasue its an industry standard, but because some of us think that having acess to something for up to a year while someone else chooses to wait - is good enough incentive to pay. think of it as paying extra for faster shipping when you buy something online.
thats why i want morrowind to be free for everyone, or atleast a code for us to gift to our friend~~~ isn't that exactly what they want? also.. what make you think everyone bought morrowind a year ago? what if they bought it just a week before announce of the summerset? does one week head start worth the money?
everything talk about here is a timed offer.. no one expect this to last after official launch of the expansion.
also since you brought it up again, this game is b2p. which require you to buy the base game. this game have tons of cash shop item and has a sub base. which means almost unlimited money can be spend in the game. now tell me, which one is more valuable. customer who bought basic game and never bought anything else. or the customer who pre order their game, and spend cash in game.
it is wise to encourage new player into buying expansion by handing out previous expansion. but at the same time, wouldn't it make more sense if they also give some sort of reward to reward their paying customer? like i said morrowind for people who don't have it, morrowind code or one month sub for player who bought morrowind. it is no big deal. but it shows that at least zos do care of our patronage. and the code could help us loyal player to encourage our friend into playing eso.
or they could make morrowind free for everyone, which will also encourage more people into playing this game. they might not sale as many summerset expansion, but they are more likely to sale more base game bundle.
p.s. all in all, this is a suggestion for ZOS. none here really have any saying in the matter. nor do we have much influence on their decision.
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✭✭✭Silver_Strider wrote: »A 12 month head start on people that didn't buy it isn't enough?
are you suggesting that everyone bought morrowind at pre order? i did, but several of my friend bought morrowind only a month ago, now it is free with pre order of next expansion. have you ever think of them? and how they might feel? how about give everyone who did not pre order morrowind a refound for their morrowind chapter when they pre order summerset?DMuehlhausen wrote: »Why?
Because an old chapter gets added as a limited incentive to pre-order the next chapter?
Get over it. That’s how mmo’s Work. You’re not owed anything. No refunds, no free ESO+, no gestures of goodwill because as it turns out, this is not a wrong thing for them to do.
because they are giving out morrowind as part of the pre order. or they could give us a code for morrowind so we can gift to friend. we did bought morrowind the second time.. did we not?
p.s. one month of vip is way cheaper then the price of morrowind. even when it is on sale.
As he stated every MMO does this, and eventually they release groups/package deals. You realize if they didn't do this stuff it would cost somebody nearly 1,000$ USD to get into Everquest if they wanted. Even WoW would be like 500$ to get into it?
You bought the game, now they are releasing content and giving people who want to get into the game access to the previous content. They all do it, it's not going to change you are owed nothing.
that is not how mmo work, does wow hand out free expansion when they release a new one? if we are paying for it, then give us the code, if not compensate for it.
p.s. are you a player or the game company? it almost sound as you encourage this kind of business model..
Correction, that is not how SOME MMOs work. WoW might not hand out Expansions for free but FFXIV does give you the Heavensward expansion for free if you buy the Stormblood expansion.
WoW didn't hand out previous expansions for free in the past, but when Legion launched they implemented all previous expansions into the base game
I'll take your word for it, just stating from my experience with FFXIV that MMOs do sometimes give out the previous expansion(s) from buying the new one and it hasn't really been a problem in those games.Edited by Silver_Strider on March 31, 2018 4:58AMArgonian forever0