Best places to find Hlaalu, Redoran, and Telvanni motifs?

imnotanother · March 2018

Three New Motifs
The Hlaalu, Redoran, and Telvanni Motifs are now available in Vvardenfell! These three styles and their associated style items can be found by stealing from citizens of Vvardenfell - picking their pockets, stealing from their safe boxes, and looting Thieves Troves left behind by fellow members of the Thieves Guild.

I know this from the patch notes but I have done several pick pockets and looted many safe boxes but have yet to find a single page.

What are some tips to finding these? Or is my luck just bad (would not be surprising if that is the case)

Aliyavana · March 2018

Its easier to farm the gold to buy the motifs than to farm the motifs at this point

OrdoHermetica · March 2018

There really isn't any secret to it. Just pickpocket in Vivec City. It seems that almost all motif drop rates have been turned down, so it just... takes a while now, is all.

anadandy · March 2018

imnotanother wrote: »

Three New Motifs
The Hlaalu, Redoran, and Telvanni Motifs are now available in Vvardenfell! These three styles and their associated style items can be found by stealing from citizens of Vvardenfell - picking their pockets, stealing from their safe boxes, and looting Thieves Troves left behind by fellow members of the Thieves Guild.

I know this from the patch notes but I have done several pick pockets and looted many safe boxes but have yet to find a single page.

What are some tips to finding these? Or is my luck just bad (would not be surprising if that is the case)

"Pick, Pick, Stab" is the only way I have gotten any of these motifs. And it takes time and dedication...a little too much, imo

Kuramas9tails · March 2018

Writ Vouchers........

I got the Redoran Canopy Bed in less than 5 writs and also some really cool Telvani and Hulaalu blueprints. Maybe I just had good luck then. Purple costs 50 Writ Vouchers and blue 25.

Taleof2Cities · March 2018

Not giving away my spot, but Vivec City St. Olms has a good amount of NPCs ...

sho_nuff · March 2018

My wife has a spot somewhere in the countryside which only has 2 NPCs - and they seem to only drop Telvani. However, they respawn relatively quickly, and they allow her to do other things.

Spacemonkey · March 2018

Most NPCs in Vvardenfell fall under the jurisdiction of either Redoran, Telvanni or Hlaalu.

Like any pickpocketing, the higher the NPC wealth 'rating' the better the chance. So nobles, i.e. have a higher chance than hobos of dropping the motif pages. Pickpocketing NPCs in Sadrith Mora will probably net you telvanni pages , Balmora -> Hlaalu, etc... but not always, there are a few hlaalu, telvanni and redoran npcs all over the place, always.

Overall, they really arent that bad to grind because you make cash also at the same time. Not like DLC Boss motifs or BA pages.... -.-

Jhalin · March 2018

Vivec City is easily the most popular spot. You can do a "pickpocket once and wait" strategy if your toon doesn't have maxed legerdemain. You risk other people doing that as well, but you can get a couple friends and alternate who does the stabbing. Two people pick once, one pick-stabs, the first two both get two other loot drops off the corpse. Next time a different person does the pick-stabbing at the end.

MasterSpatula · March 2018

Yeah, my problem with this is that just because my character is a thief doesn't mean he's a murderer. "Pick Pick Stab" only works if you have the Blade of Woe, and once the pickpocket chance drops below 90%, that 15+% chance of getting caught works out to a more like a 60% rate of getting caught.

So, I've found one piece so far. One. Considering there's 42 pages to find and the droprate of each page is stupid-low, this strikes me as a "fire-and-blacklist-whomever-thought-of-this" type design.

imnotanother · March 2018

MasterSpatula wrote: »

Yeah, my problem with this is that just because my character is a thief doesn't mean he's a murderer. "Pick Pick Stab" only works if you have the Blade of Woe, and once the pickpocket chance drops below 90%, that 15+% chance of getting caught works out to a more like a 60% rate of getting caught.

So, I've found one piece so far. One. Considering there's 42 pages to find and the droprate of each page is stupid-low, this strikes me as a "fire-and-blacklist-whomever-thought-of-this" type design.

Yeah I just pick pocketed and murder every NPC I saw and looted every lock box (around 20) in the last 2 hours and didn't get 1 page.

Anotherone773 · March 2018

MasterSpatula wrote: »

Yeah, my problem with this is that just because my character is a thief doesn't mean he's a murderer. "Pick Pick Stab" only works if you have the Blade of Woe, and once the pickpocket chance drops below 90%, that 15+% chance of getting caught works out to a more like a 60% rate of getting caught.

So, I've found one piece so far. One. Considering there's 42 pages to find and the droprate of each page is stupid-low, this strikes me as a "fire-and-blacklist-whomever-thought-of-this" type design.

They are suppose to be rare and hard to get. If they were easy to get they would be nearly worthless like blue motifs. If you make it into a job, it will become a job. the DB DLC is worth it just for the blade of woe. You can kill NPCs in certain orders and prevent them from seeing you commit other crimes and that last item is often a better one than the first two.

MasterSpatula · March 2018

Anotherone773 wrote: »

MasterSpatula wrote: »

Yeah, my problem with this is that just because my character is a thief doesn't mean he's a murderer. "Pick Pick Stab" only works if you have the Blade of Woe, and once the pickpocket chance drops below 90%, that 15+% chance of getting caught works out to a more like a 60% rate of getting caught.

So, I've found one piece so far. One. Considering there's 42 pages to find and the droprate of each page is stupid-low, this strikes me as a "fire-and-blacklist-whomever-thought-of-this" type design.

They are suppose to be rare and hard to get. If they were easy to get they would be nearly worthless like blue motifs. If you make it into a job, it will become a job.

I just love responses like this. There is, in fact, a middle ground between stupid-rare and "easy to get." But you know that. I can't think of any reason to pretend you don't other than to belittle anyone who thinks the current rate is low. You can disagree with someone without belittling them. Really, you can.

the DB DLC is worth it just for the blade of woe. You can kill NPCs in certain orders and prevent them from seeing you commit other crimes and that last item is often a better one than the first two.

I own the DLC. I have characters in the DB. I don't want to have to take those character out just to have a decent shot of pickpocketing things. Believe it or not, some of us draw a line between larceny and wanton murder of innocents.

But the whole pickpocketing system in general is set up more for murder sprees than for larceny. If there were a motif only available by assassination, I"d be okay with that. But having to murder to be an effective thief is a design flaw.

Pink_Violinz · March 2018

I've been using Balmora. There are two beggars, two outlaws, and three drunks I pickpocket all on the right side of the city. Usually, I have at least one motif by the time I'm done with them. With one exception, all of them have very high success rates. I'd also recommend getting your legerdemain up, as the pickpocket passives are a must for these motifs. And probably most importantly, you just gotta be patient.

Yeah, the initial hurdle is really bad. But once you get past it pickpocketing is one of my favorite grinds. Just remember to try to trade the motifs in zone first, before selling them off.

Jhalin · March 2018

The drop rate is actually pretty good. I can get three or four pages in a night of farming Vivec, Balmora, and the Telvanni areas. I've got about 10 pages stashed in a storage crate, waiting til I figure out if I wanna start selling them or finish up my motif knowledge first before I sell the extras.

Compare these to any of the other motifs acquirement systems and you can see they're on a vastly superior system. No cap for how many tries you have per day, not dependent on grouping with other players to get access to every chance for a drop, doesn't require end-game ready toons.

Aeph · March 2018

To be honest I’ve had no problem with stealing these motifs - I’ve got nearly all of them in just under 2 weeks (not constantly grinding either and not playing all day everyday). I managed to get the whole Telvanni motif book too. But I also got three Imperial motif books and two aetherial dusts in the same two weeks so my partner insists I’m just a lucky person...

Hlaalu/Telvanni/Redoran furnishing plans though - if you think the motif drop rates are bad, try searching for the furnishings!

My tips are the opposite of most people in this thread to be honest... But here goes:

- Get Legerdemain up to 20 and put all possible points into Light Fingers (success rate goes up, less chance of getting caught). I’d also say the Swiftly Forgotten passive of the Theives Guild is totally worth maxing out (mines at 3/4 and it helps massively).

- Go to smaller towns - everyone fights over NPCs in Vivec and you just end up trying to beat them to the loot and getting caught, then having bounty which makes trying more NPCs harder. Less guards too.

- Each NPC has three pieces of loot. Always kill them for the third item - not only is it common etiquette but they will remain empty if you don’t and you can’t pickpocket them again if you go round for a second go of the town (andneither can the next person who comes along, hence why it’s common etiquette).

- Social status/wealth is irrelevant when it comes to motif drops. If you’re grinding the motifs and don’t care about the treasure, stick to beggars and commoners. It’s quicker and less chance of getting caught which means they won’t stay on suspicious for like 10 years.

- Telvanni comes up the most, followed by Hlaalu, then Redoran. I don’t know if that’s helpful at all but if you get duplicates and want to sell them it might be worth taking into account.

Good luck!

swippy · March 2018

i would say Vvardenfell is your best bet.

anadandy · March 2018

MasterSpatula wrote: »

Yeah, my problem with this is that just because my character is a thief doesn't mean he's a murderer. "Pick Pick Stab" only works if you have the Blade of Woe, and once the pickpocket chance drops below 90%, that 15+% chance of getting caught works out to a more like a 60% rate of getting caught.

I can totally understand this - take heart, because the motifs often drop as the first or second pick. There is no truth to the often claimed "good stuff only drops on the third pick"

Anotherone773 · March 2018

MasterSpatula wrote: »

Anotherone773 wrote: »

MasterSpatula wrote: »

Yeah, my problem with this is that just because my character is a thief doesn't mean he's a murderer. "Pick Pick Stab" only works if you have the Blade of Woe, and once the pickpocket chance drops below 90%, that 15+% chance of getting caught works out to a more like a 60% rate of getting caught.

So, I've found one piece so far. One. Considering there's 42 pages to find and the droprate of each page is stupid-low, this strikes me as a "fire-and-blacklist-whomever-thought-of-this" type design.

They are suppose to be rare and hard to get. If they were easy to get they would be nearly worthless like blue motifs. If you make it into a job, it will become a job.

I just love responses like this. There is, in fact, a middle ground between stupid-rare and "easy to get." But you know that. I can't think of any reason to pretend you don't other than to belittle anyone who thinks the current rate is low. You can disagree with someone without belittling them. Really, you can.

the DB DLC is worth it just for the blade of woe. You can kill NPCs in certain orders and prevent them from seeing you commit other crimes and that last item is often a better one than the first two.

I own the DLC. I have characters in the DB. I don't want to have to take those character out just to have a decent shot of pickpocketing things. Believe it or not, some of us draw a line between larceny and wanton murder of innocents.

But the whole pickpocketing system in general is set up more for murder sprees than for larceny. If there were a motif only available by assassination, I"d be okay with that. But having to murder to be an effective thief is a design flaw.

On PC NA there are about 200-300 of each on traders and they go for about 10k each. Thats common enough, i think. If they were anymore common they would be just another rendition of thieves guild/DB motifs. Go do your daily farming for 5k.

You dont have to BoW. You can do the last pick instead. But the method is extremely inefficient. The idea is to get the NPCs to respawn faster so you can pick them some more. With BoW, they will will respawn in a few minutes at most. If you triple pick it takes a really long time before they have loot again.

If you want to RP thats up to you, but you will be RPing buying them from a guild trader or make it a life long process to acquire.

Every thing else in this game is easy to acquire, let us have motifs be one of the few things that take a bit of effort.

Linaleah · March 2018

there are npc's that start off at 100% (assuming your legerdemain passive is maxed) - you can pick pick pick them if you don't wish to stab. pro tip - wait until the percentage turns green - that bonus helps a LOT and with npc's that start at 100%? it means all 3 picks will be at 100% with bonus, so no getting caught becasue its not a full success rate. its just going to make farming longer and you'd have to duck in and out of delves or what not, to reset them, since you cannot reset them with stabbing. these motifs are rare but they are not THAT rare. they have MUCH better drop rates then BA for example.

imnotanother · March 2018

Thanks for the tips everyone.

My main character is fully maxed in Ledgermain and I have been using the BoW.
I guess my luck earlier was just crap. I will keep trying.

ErinGoBrag520 · March 2018

I feel this way about Ashlander. I do ok on the pickpocket motifs but I feel like the drop rate on Ashlander has been nerfed. I went ailing getting them regularly enough and have about 4 lefrt. Now nothing. Going to have to buy them I guess.

phileunderx2 · March 2018

Ashlander and cwc motis seem to drop better on characters that do not know any motifs at all. At least for me

MNsnowtaTy · March 2018

sho_nuff wrote: »

My wife has a spot somewhere in the countryside which only has 2 NPCs - and they seem to only drop Telvani. However, they respawn relatively quickly, and they allow her to do other things.

And you're ok with it? How did you find out? Did she just come out and tell you or did you walk in on her doing other things?

bongtokin420insd16 · March 2018

lol ^^

To chime in and agree, i run a Vivec City loop on one thief and max my bag in about an hour. I average 2 motif pages plus about 20k looted items, if i loot white too. I use NB, so im often cruising with a bounty, but i never get caught so who cares. Just remember the TD has an entrance in the Pyramid too, and u can always duck in there if it gets too hot.

imnotanother · March 2018

Finally pulled a page out of the pockets of a warrior.

Make that 2!

Spacemonkey · March 2018

Aeph wrote: »

- Social status/wealth is irrelevant when it comes to motif drops. If you’re grinding the motifs and don’t care about the treasure, stick to beggars and commoners. It’s quicker and less chance of getting caught which means they won’t stay on suspicious for like 10 years.

- Telvanni comes up the most, followed by Hlaalu, then Redoran. I don’t know if that’s helpful at all but if you get duplicates and want to sell them it might be worth taking into account.

Did not know that! I figured it did because ive been getting such better drops and mroe frequent motifs from nobles, but might just be rng.

As for the house of the motif, I'm fairly confident it does depend on the npc you steal from because I've been getting ONLY Hlaalu from my usual farming spot and I suspect its because they are all Hlaalu npcs. Where as the few times I went to Sadrith Mora I got telvanni pages.

SolidusPrime · March 2018

It took me about 2 months of casual farming in a few of the spots mentioned above + 1 spot that I'm hesitant to give away. Most of them came from the above locations, though. All 3 drop in Vivec City.

The rate was definitely lowered, but it's not that bad. I still farm them as my main source of money and get AT LEAST 2 a day.

kjones0996 · March 2018

I have a stealing route that includes lock boxes and lots of vvardenfell npcs. Trying to get the achievement that requires selling 1mil to the fence. I pick until I get 140 items higher than white on a daily basis. I get at least 1 a day. Sometimes 2. The drop rate is pretty solid. Also, if you hang around in vvardenfell for more than 10 minutes you will see people selling tons of them in zone chat for 15k each. Now the drop rates for BA motifs, vvardenfell furnishings, and the shivering cheese are another story. I've only picked 2 paintings, one cheese, zero BA motifs, and 2 purple furnishing diagrams since the dlc dropped last year.

imnotanother · March 2018

kjones0996 wrote: »

I have a stealing route that includes lock boxes and lots of vvardenfell npcs. Trying to get the achievement that requires selling 1mil to the fence. I pick until I get 140 items higher than white on a daily basis. I get at least 1 a day. Sometimes 2. The drop rate is pretty solid. Also, if you hang around in vvardenfell for more than 10 minutes you will see people selling tons of them in zone chat for 15k each. Now the drop rates for BA motifs, vvardenfell furnishings, and the shivering cheese are another story. I've only picked 2 paintings, one cheese, zero BA motifs, and 2 purple furnishing diagrams since the dlc dropped last year.

What is Shivering Cheese? A furnishing item?

AlnilamE · March 2018

Any NPC in Vvardenfell can drop them. Vivec city is preferred because it has the outlaw refuge, but you can really go anywhere with few/no guards and a couple of NPCs.

MasterSpatula wrote: »

Yeah, my problem with this is that just because my character is a thief doesn't mean he's a murderer. "Pick Pick Stab" only works if you have the Blade of Woe, and once the pickpocket chance drops below 90%, that 15+% chance of getting caught works out to a more like a 60% rate of getting caught.

So, I've found one piece so far. One. Considering there's 42 pages to find and the droprate of each page is stupid-low, this strikes me as a "fire-and-blacklist-whomever-thought-of-this" type design.

Yeah, the point of stabbing them is that they respawn much faster than their inventory refills. But if you don't want to do that, you just have to cast a wider net and just come back to the NPCs every half hour or so rather than every 5 minutes.

There are plenty of NPCs in Vvardenfell, though, so that is a viable strategy too.

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