Vapirko wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

stamsorc/stamDk doesn't need a spammable. I mean, yes they do, because the ones they have is either unreliable or bad.

A stamDK is naturall gonna use SnB, so they can at least use heroic slash weave to get the most out of what they're stuck with.

We are in the same boat with stamsorcs when it comes to spammables, we are stuck with the default, no back up options.

stamsorc is meant for high burst and mobility, they are the most effective class with dizzying swing builds.

But problem is, dizzying swing/wrecking blow are kind of unreliable.

and dual wield skills in general is a joke for open world PvP so I won't mention that.

But one thing is worth mentioning, crit surge makes stamsorc synergize extremely well with dual wield, resulting in a viable dual wield build for stamsorcs. Its niche but a dw stamsorc is definitely playable.

Instead of giving stamsorc a spammable, dizzying swing/wrecking blow needs to be buffed.

Well, flurry also could be a little faster too.

Especially the wrecking blow needs a buff tho. dizzying swing is somewhat fine and rewarding when you land it, but wrecking blow seriously lacks purpose.

Agreed more on these points. I think stam sorc survivability (yes i do play one a lot) is still ok thanks to crit surge and hurricane, the issue is more that you need those two slots and you still need rally or FM for heal or snare removal and you get the cross over fro the major brutality buff so you end up using a lot of slots for skills that have crossover. DW issue with stam sorc is the gap closer, even with a hurricane orc you will burst a lot of stamina down getting some place. 1v1 dw is pretty tight, 1vX or general open world not so much. The other issue wth DW is a hard CC, it doesnt really work to reverb bash and then bar swap and even then you're out rally or FM. You can still survive from the extra healing of blood craze and or blood thirst, but then you you still need to solve the hard CC problem. Rune prison is ok but it means you need a pretty good size magicka pool for it to be really effective in anyway against not potatoes. Stam sorc is still strong, and it wouldn't take much to bring it in line with the top classes. The damage passives, bound armaments, hurricane, critical surge, all synergize really well with the orc class and allow deep stat pools and high regen and horrific damage bursts via DBoS. What stam sorc lacks is that little bit of utility to face off against good players using most other classes. Ill prob get ripped for saying this, but I think a lot could be solved by buffing hurricane to 1) provide a little extra damage and 2) allow some kind of purge on cast. This along with a class execute, or class burst like stam morph of curse could go a long long way.

I am maining stamsorc for a really long time (basically since 1.4), PvP only though, and I disagree heavily with the suggestions provided by the poster you quoted. He is coming from the POV of a stamDK who would welcome any non-class related buff to stamsorc - exactly because he would be able to benefit from those changes as well on stamDK.

Not trying to discredit his motivation, stamDK needs help. But I think the very least thing stamsorc needs (which this topic seems to be about), is an indirect buff through weapon skill lines (we already excel at using those and amplifying their strength). Instead, we need exactly the opposite, surgical class innate changes that diversify and supplement our options to deliver and align damage.

I'm, not sure if this is a PvE focused thread, but I personally find that the only desperately needed change to stamsorc is making bound armor not taking up two slots and fixing the dark deal glitch that ignores being cc immune. I personally can state very confidently that no (not a single one) top PvP stamsorc on PC EU was ever utilizing wb/dizzy swing in their builds. This is a NA phenomenon that is not seen in PC EU. Dizzy swing is sub-optimal for a multitude of reasons (mainly being related to how your opponents are setup) and doesn't work on good players.

Good points. Stam sorcs still hit like freight trains. Would you put bound armaments as a normal timed buff then? That could definitely work. Having even one extra slot open for another utility skill would go a hell of a long way. For solo play imo stam sorcs kind of lose their punch without bound armaments. Then make a cc stamina morph of crystal frags with a shorter range to replace dizzy swing and fix dd to make it reliable as you say. That would be pretty damn close to fixed.

Liam12548 wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

@Liam12548
Haven't read such an entertaining piece of trash in a long while. Surge made sorcs unkillable?! When? Are you on PC EU? Please gimme a message with your account if so, I'd love to experience your incredible insights into the class in a duel! Please slot your "overpowered" overload bar, too.

If you think duels mean anything at all with 720 Cp points, you should probably quit the game.

Just go ahead and watch my clips from the past two weeks though. @React Faster, xbox NA (they can be viewed via the Xbox app, xboxdvr website, etc). Watch me fight and win while significantly outnumbered on a class I JUST picked up and tell me that it's an underperforming class. Crit surge is essentially a free hot because of its ridiculously long duration and the fact that you can slot it on OVL without sacrificing anything. Also, if you read my post I didn't mention anything about dueling, because DUELS ARE MEANINGLESS WITH 720 CP POINTS. Having access to an entire bar of extra skills is a massive advantage fighting outnumbered.

You're not the first EU player to say "duel me bro I'll prove you wrong" to me, I wonder if cp dueling is considered the pinnacle of pvp over there...