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Account-wide Achievement tracking
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Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I think I understand more clearly what the OP means now that he has clarified how his suggestion varies from the standard weekly demand for account-wide achievements, but it is still perfectly valid for others to reject the suggestion because they don't want any form of achievement-sharing.
It seems to me that there are three aspects to the requests commonly made in regard to achievements (apart from leaving the present system alone, of course!):-
Account-wide achievements - this is what is usually asked for, and it means that once a player's main has completed an achievement, often expressed as including skyshards and lorebooks as well as (most controversially) titles etc, his alts are credited with that achievement too. This is wanted primarily by those who roll an alt for endgame, grind the levels in Skyreach, and don't want to do any more development of the character - but it's wholly counter-intuitive to those who want to play each of their characters equally and develop them as individuals. It's also wanted, incidentally, by those who believe that it is they who are advancing in the game and not their characters.
Account-wide achievement tracking - this relates to having each character on an account completing achievements individually, but with a summary sheet typically suggested to be on the character screen showing all the characters and the achievements they have each earned. That idea seems universally popular both with account-wide and character-specific achievement supporters.
Account-wide achievement sharing - this seems to me to be a new variant on the achievement threads, and has been clarified by the OP as the QoL improvement he is seeking. It means that different characters would be able to contribute to the multiple stages of an achievement which would then unlock on all of them once all the stages had been completed. I assume the intention is not that it would also be unlocked on those other characters on the account that had not contributed to it.
I'm personally in favour of the second idea, although I have no particular desire for it myself, but I'm against the other two as I prefer to have all my characters earning their own achievements on their own.
In any event, I hope I've understood the OP correctly, and that this summary of the different suggestions is an accurate one that people find helpful when dealing with this kind of thread.Edited by Tandor on March 23, 2018 4:33PM1 -
Saumur11689✭✭✭Coming from someone who has only on char, I also think achievements should be account wide, don't see the point why it's otherwiseLvl 750+ Sorcerer (AD)
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Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This is a classic polar debate with such an obvious solution.
Leave the character level achievements EXACTLY how they are. That way anyone that wants to do things at the character level has NOTHING to complain about. If you want to do Master Angler 15 times, knock yourself out.
Then, add an additional account wide achievement tab that shows the total achievements for the account. That way, people like myself that play a lot of characters are able to view their total progress as a player because that is what is important to many of us. Once you unlock an achievement on any toon, it shows up there.
I see two issues:
1. Titles. The easiest thing to do to *** off the least amount of people would to be to leave these to the character level. That way we dont have level 10 Flawless Conquerors and Dro-mathra Destroyers running around Deshaan.
2. Cumulative achievements. I could go either way on this one and there are really two types.
-Things that say, kill 1000 whatever, could either be left to the character level, or be worked towards with all your toon. I would prefer that if I looked at the character screen, i would just see what that toon has done, but if I looked at the account version, it would show all. If they made it so you had to do it on the character first before anything would show up in the account wide section, fine. I wont lose much sleep.
-The other type of cumulative achievement is something like dro-mathra destroyer that is made up of smaller achievements. Personally, I would like to be able to do the smaller achievements on separate toons under the account wide section, but require the titles be earned by a single toon. So using D Destroyer as an example, you could do each individual achievement on separate toon to unlock the big achievement account wide. If there were anything associated with the big achievement that is account wide, it unlocks at that point (dyes, skins, whatever). If there is a title associated with it, it would not unlock unless it was done by a character. This might be a little complicated, but I cant imagine its not doable.
Account wide achievements are a real issue, and dismissing it or attacking people that want it just makes you sound like an ass. People that push the boundaries of this game, especially in competitive PVE, often find themselves needing to change toons each patch. Personally, my Crag trial achievements were earned first on my DK, my VMOL achievements were earned by my msorc, my VHOF achievements are on my stam sorc, and my VAS achievements are being progressed on mageblade. It's damn frustrating.
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LittlePumpkin030✭✭✭...which would then unlock on all of them once all the stages had been completed.
Hey there.
The 3rd option is theoratically what I meant, except for the quoted part. I don't want that the achievement itself is shared in between. Every character should still have their very own achievement list, like it is now. Just with one little addition, that the system "tracks" an overall achievement process, so it unlocks the rewards for the account. like the example with fang lair.
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Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I think I understand more clearly what the OP means now that he has clarified how his suggestion varies from the standard weekly demand for account-wide achievements, but it is still perfectly valid for others to reject the suggestion because they don't want any form of achievement-sharing.
It seems to me that there are three aspects to the requests commonly made in regard to achievements (apart from leaving the present system alone, of course!):-
Account-wide achievements - this is what is usually asked for, and it means that once a player's main has completed an achievement, often expressed as including skyshards and lorebooks as well as (most controversially) titles etc, his alts are credited with that achievement too. This is wanted primarily by those who roll an alt for endgame, grind the levels in Skyreach, and don't want to do any more development of the character - but it's wholly counter-intuitive to those who want to play each of their characters equally and develop them as individuals. It's also wanted, incidentally, by those who believe that it is they who are advancing in the game and not their characters.
Account-wide achievement tracking - this relates to having each character on an account completing achievements individually, but with a summary sheet typically suggested to be on the character screen showing all the characters and the achievements they have each earned. That idea seems universally popular both with account-wide and character-specific achievement supporters.
Account-wide achievement sharing - this seems to me to be a new variant on the achievement threads, and has been clarified by the OP as the QoL improvement he is seeking. It means that different characters would be able to contribute to the multiple stages of an achievement which would then unlock on all of them once all the stages had been completed. I assume the intention is not that it would also be unlocked on those other characters on the account that had not contributed to it.
I'm personally in favour of the second idea, although I have no particular desire for it myself, but I'm against the other two as I prefer to have all my characters earning their own achievements on their own.
In any event, I hope I've understood the OP correctly, and that this summary of the different suggestions is an accurate one that people find helpful when dealing with this kind of thread.
Good summary. The first issue is what annoys me. I think the idea of account wide Undaunted, skyshards and lorebooks clouds the debate. People immediately jump to "you are lazy and dont want to work for it" anytime account wide achievements are brought up. Personally, I could care less about those issues in this discussion. Just because you give account wide achievements under a separate tab, doesn't mean a new toon would just have undaunted 10 or all the sky shards. That is a separate debate (perhaps with merit, especially on toon number 15) from this discussion.
I think your second point is mostly where I am at. I think your third point is really just a summary of the potential issues with the second point, if that makes sense. Ultimately, what I want is a way to be able to quickly look at my total achievements for myself as a player. That doesnt seem like an unreasonable request.0 -
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Only if the requirement is multiplied by the number of characters you have.yet I think it would be more just if you get the skins ect. even if HM is as tank, no death as DD and speed as Healer. It is still you as a player who did the achievement. In addition, most achievements are just plan boring to grind on more than 1 character (sell stolen goods for 1 000 000 gold, open 1000 chests, harvest 10000 crafting materials) and these would be much better if they were additive.
Seriously, the hardest of those is selling 1 000 000 gold to the fence. All the others will happen naturally and you don't need to farm for them.LittlePumpkin030 wrote: »LittlePumpkin030 wrote: »Juju_beans wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »this again...
i'm of the opinion nothing should be account wide.
I like the way it currently is set up.
Unlocking dye colors from achievements is account wide and I like that when I go to a dye station those colors are available to all my characters.
Unlocking pets, dye colors and costumes are only cosmetic items and no reason they shouldn't be account wide.
Yes but if you have 2 main chars running through dungeons you have to do all the achievements with both of them to get the cosmetic items. which is sometimes not as easy as it said.
Starting with getting a proper group together.
and there again I think an account wide option for using it as the motifs on the outfits is not an issue, as long as you still can earn every single achievement separately. just that the system registers that you have this achievement at least once with one of your chars.
You only need to do it on ONE character for the cosmetics to unlock on your account.
I'd be ok with Achievements for the whole account being viewable from the Character Select screen, but individual character achievements to stay as they are now.
Because I already have the General Executioner and Treasure Hunter achievements on 3 characters and I'm working on the 4th one for those.
I do view the Achievement pages as "To-Do Lists" for my characters, so I want that to be easily viewable from each character's screen.
And as I said before (Please read all the comments) It is not always possible to use the same char if you already have a tank in group (This is just an example) Also I corrected myself (Comments on the first page) that I only mean the achievement to unlock (For example) a Skin, dye, etc. in the same way the motifs unlock every outfit style for every char.
I did read all the comments. I appreciate that you made your OP more specific, but the way you worded it initially allowed for a response to the more general "account-wide achievements" theme.
I'm not convinced that it is necessary. Unless you are telling me you will never run the dungeon again when you get the personality, you will get the achievement naturally.
Let me tell you the tale of the Flawless Tailfeather.
My nightblade is my "main" character, and the one where I actively work towards achievements before I go for the same achievement on a different character. She's the one that is hunting trophies. When they changed trophies to be account bound, I got a Flawless Tailfeather from a harpy while running a dungeon on my Templar.
Meanwhile my NB is killing every harpy she can find in Wrothgar and no tailfeather drops.
A guildie even sent me a harpy themed robe as a good luck charm.
Fast forward to Extra Life game day and we have an event were we are questing with our Iron Vestiges (perma-death characters). We go into a delve near Daggerfall that has a few harpies at the end and she gets a Flawless Tailfeather. >_<
I ended up avoiding killing harpies on my other characters until I finally got it on my NB, but it was awesome when I got it (and my guild stopped making fun of me. :-P)The Moot Councillor0 -
Juju_beans✭✭✭✭✭
✭More asking for this probably because they run multiple mains these days.
Is that because MMO's have gotten too easy over the years ?
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LittlePumpkin030✭✭✭
I did read all the comments. I appreciate that you made your OP more specific, but the way you worded it initially allowed for a response to the more general "account-wide achievements" theme.
I'm not convinced that it is necessary. Unless you are telling me you will never run the dungeon again when you get the personality, you will get the achievement naturally.
Let me tell you the tale of the Flawless Tailfeather.
My nightblade is my "main" character, and the one where I actively work towards achievements before I go for the same achievement on a different character. She's the one that is hunting trophies. When they changed trophies to be account bound, I got a Flawless Tailfeather from a harpy while running a dungeon on my Templar.
Meanwhile my NB is killing every harpy she can find in Wrothgar and no tailfeather drops.
A guildie even sent me a harpy themed robe as a good luck charm.
Fast forward to Extra Life game day and we have an event were we are questing with our Iron Vestiges (perma-death characters). We go into a delve near Daggerfall that has a few harpies at the end and she gets a Flawless Tailfeather. >_<
I ended up avoiding killing harpies on my other characters until I finally got it on my NB, but it was awesome when I got it (and my guild stopped making fun of me. :-P)
I know the wording before was misleading, thats why I specified it afterwards.
It's more like unsatisfying when you have to run a dungeon "millions" of times just to get this managed with just one char to unlock the goodies. thats what I mean. As soon as you unlock it every char can use it, so it would be just nicer if you could unlock it also with more than one char. When I make a new char this one can use it right away.
Just to say it again. every char should still have their own achievements and not level up instant just because some other had it before. I think it just simply should work the same as the Outfitting station. One char has the motif so everyone can use the style for outfitting. So why not the same with achievement which unlock nice shiny things?
Edited by LittlePumpkin030 on March 24, 2018 8:47AM0 -
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✭LittlePumpkin030 wrote: »
or you could have it the way it is now. no extra coding required and nobody showing off achievements they earned with something else.
The only account wide id be happy with is if they showed you what toons have completed it on your account. So you see it as not completed unless you completed with the character you are on. the not completed is the important part. And honestly, the effort to put the rest in isnt worth it anyway so i see no reason for them to change anything.0 -
Owondyah✭✭✭If i wanted shitloads of account wide things I'd play GW2...
I vote NO to all account related stuff, even this account based mounts and pets shouldn't be a thing, if you ask me.0 -
LittlePumpkin030✭✭✭If i wanted shitloads of account wide things I'd play GW2...
I vote NO to all account related stuff, even this account based mounts and pets shouldn't be a thing, if you ask me.
Yeah right... You wanna buy it for every single character instead of having a collection? That doesn't make sense to me.
It was like this before and on my opinion it sucked big time.0 -
LittlePumpkin030✭✭✭LittlePumpkin030 wrote: »
or you could have it the way it is now. no extra coding required and nobody showing off achievements they earned with something else.
The only account wide id be happy with is if they showed you what toons have completed it on your account. So you see it as not completed unless you completed with the character you are on. the not completed is the important part. And honestly, the effort to put the rest in isnt worth it anyway so i see no reason for them to change anything.
If you are happy with the way it is now, it's fine, but there are many people who are not happy with it. And again. I am NOT talking about that every new char should have the achievement right away, just because another one has it.0 -
LittlePumpkin030✭✭✭Ectheliontnacil wrote: »Yep, account wide achievements!!!
No thats not what it says.
Please proceed in following order:
Read
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LittlePumpkin030✭✭✭ShadowMonarch wrote: »Skyshards should be account wide too.
no that wouldn't make any sense.2 -
Medakon✭✭✭I don't see any good argument here for not allowing Achviment to be account-wide.
I have been playing since the relase of this game, and had to take breaks from the game because of no account-wide achivements. Why you might ask, well let me tell you.
I played Nightblade since day 1, and since there is no account wide achivments I'm just wasting time when playing other characters. I do not bother playing others characters, but I have all classes level 50 by grinding skyreach for 3-4hours during a exp event. These characters probably has less than 10hours gameplay each, while nightblades has over 100 days of gameplay. Achivements is a importent aspect of the game to me, because I am an elitist player, and founder of guilds such as Hodor, and Payday on EU server.
So why do I take breaks on & off? because this game has the flavor of the month of course. Sometimes they nerf my class, sometimes its the best one. Why bother playing a game if your outpreformed not because of lack in skills, but your character is weak compare to others. I always keep an eye on the forums, and look for updates when classes are balanced again.
This non account-wide achivment system has also effected the updates for this game, just look at the next chapter summerset. Because people cared so much about achivments, they rather make a skilltree accessable for all classes, than making new classes. If this keeps going, we would never have a new class again to ESO.
I would love to make a warden my main, because I don't wanna play Nightblade anymore. So many people play Nightblade it is becoming top hated class(just look at that other post in hot about what class should be removed from game). Zenimax trying to balance class distribution by making Nightblades worse to force people to play other classes. Guess what, I am stuck on Nightblade until they add this into the game. My option is either take a break from eso, or continue playing a nerfed Nightblade.
Also, last time I checked you could not inspect other peoples achivments unless they linked it to chat. So why bother complaining about it .. Eventually it will get introduced, because it is hurting the game.Medakon - Legendary Super Hero Professional Assassin Nightblade from Tamriel who do different stuff
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don_kwek✭✭✭Precisely it is a personal thing, only we can see it yet it is hindering us from playing our 8 other toon.
Good idea might take a break til they hear us out. Pretty burned out playing DK.0 -
DoctorESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭LittlePumpkin030 wrote: »Achievements should be account wide but also trackable per character for those that need to be rewarded for getting level 10 Hero over and over.
That would be a good solution. Specially for those who want to do all the achievements with every single character again. Or like collecting stuff like sky shards or what so ever.
I've been wanting this since 1776.1 -
LittlePumpkin030✭✭✭Precisely it is a personal thing, only we can see it yet it is hindering us from playing our 8 other toon.
Good idea might take a break til they hear us out. Pretty burned out playing DK.
If they will hear us out...
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