Do you think Queen Ayrenn is KINMUNE? Made a poll as we are going to see her again!
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Thevampirenight✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭BigBadVolk wrote: »
Given she is going to be in the next chapter I'm sure she is returning for it.PC NA
Please add Fangs to Vampires.0 -
Yes she and Kinmune is one and the same.Thevampirenight wrote: »What are your thoughts discuss!
http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/KINMUNE
https://aurbis.c0da.es/ayrenn/ayrenn.pdf
Comment: Your poll results and comments show that nobody here (save for a few) even knows what you are talking about. Perhaps you should ask this question on the lore forums or some other obsucre-lore related site. Just realize you are baiting casu-els who are inclined to rage at everything they do not understand in the slightest.
To answer your question: Do you remember the Orrery of Elden Root? The psijic devices that can be seen in the summerset trailer? Look a lot like the Eye of Magnus to me. Wasn't KINMUNE imprisoned in that thing in Saarthal?
Of course the devs know this theory and include references to it in the game. They are however (rightly) reluctant to confirm or deny such meta-stuff as it is to the players to decide which is (head)canon and which is not, thereby defying the concept of canon altogether.
Not sure if this post is a feeding pit for trolls or if it is a serious question given the poll options.Edited by AEAltadoonPadhome on March 23, 2018 10:56AM0 -
Thevampirenight✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭AEAltadoonPadhome wrote: »Thevampirenight wrote: »What are your thoughts discuss!
http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/KINMUNE
https://aurbis.c0da.es/ayrenn/ayrenn.pdf
Comment: Your poll results and comments show that nobody here (save for a few) even knows what you are talking about. Perhaps you should ask this question on the lore forums or some other obsucre-lore related site. Just realize you are baiting casu-els who are inclined to rage at everything they do not understand in the slightest.
To answer your question: Do you remember the Orrery of Elden Root? The psijic devices that can be seen in the summerset trailer? Look a lot like the Eye of Magnus to me. Wasn't KINMUNE imprisoned in that thing in Saarthal?
Of course the devs know this theory and include references to it in the game. They are however (rightly) reluctant to confirm or deny such meta-stuff as it is to the players to decide which is (head)canon and which is not, thereby defying the concept of canon altogether.
Not sure if this post is a feeding pit for trolls or if it is a serious question given the poll options.
If you want a troll feeding pit
Just look at this poll right here
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/402237/what-is-going-to-be-the-next-op-nightblade-skill-pls-nerf-thread#latest
Anyways, its a serious dicussion besides. Lore or not. Its just a fun topic to talk about.PC NA
Please add Fangs to Vampires.0 -
wenchmore420b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Get that C0da crap out of here.Sorry, but when I went to the link, I stopped reading when I got to this... "Michael Kirkbride's Texts, Out-of-Game Texts".
Don't get me wrong, I LOVE "The Imperial Library"!
But any of MK's random "out of game" musings don't carry a lot of weight with me.
Julian LeFey was the "Father" of TES Lore, and even he has ideas of how lore should have gone, but it still is not in game and not considered canon.
I love MK's contribution to TES lore, but the is a difference between Canon and CoDa...
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Zeni0s✭✭Yes she and Kinmune is one and the same.Can't remember a single expression on her face. And if the Lore says so...0 -
Highlor3✭✭✭✭Get that C0da crap out of here.wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »Sorry, but when I went to the link, I stopped reading when I got to this... "Michael Kirkbride's Texts, Out-of-Game Texts".
Don't get me wrong, I LOVE "The Imperial Library"!
But any of MK's random "out of game" musings don't carry a lot of weight with me.
Julian LeFey was the "Father" of TES Lore, and even he has ideas of how lore should have gone, but it still is not in game and not considered canon.
I love MK's contribution to TES lore, but the is a difference between Canon and CoDa...
Just my 2 drakes.
What she (or he) said.
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DocFrost72✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭While I may hold the belief she is a thotbox, I don't think that has anything to do with the kinmune theory.1 -
wenchmore420b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Get that C0da crap out of here.wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »Sorry, but when I went to the link, I stopped reading when I got to this... "Michael Kirkbride's Texts, Out-of-Game Texts".
Don't get me wrong, I LOVE "The Imperial Library"!
But any of MK's random "out of game" musings don't carry a lot of weight with me.
Julian LeFey was the "Father" of TES Lore, and even he has ideas of how lore should have gone, but it still is not in game and not considered canon.
I love MK's contribution to TES lore, but the is a difference between Canon and CoDa...
Just my 2 drakes.
What she (or he) said.
Thank you... And it's "he"... Lol...
Huzzah!Drakon Koryn~Oryndill, Rogue~Mage,- CP ~Doesn't matter any more
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"Not All Who Wander are Lost"
#MOREHOUSINGSLOTS“When the people that can make the company more successful are sales and marketing people, they end up running the companies. The product people get driven out of the decision making forums, and the companies forget what it means to make great products.”
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MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Thevampirenight wrote: »
Still don't get it. Did someone edit the wiki with gibberish and it became a meme?Edited by MLGProPlayer on March 23, 2018 11:42PM0 -
C0da is canon to me so yes.c0da is definitely canon and, given that they specifically dropped a blurb about the avatar queen we prob aren't going to see ayrenn0 -
wenchmore420b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Get that C0da crap out of here.@MLGProPlayer
That was borrowed from "The Imperial-Library.info"
Probably one of the oldest TES lore site out there. (no offense uesp).
There is a page called "Obscure Texts", which is just previous writers for TES that have "Written New Stories/Lore" that was put up on forums, but never was in game. Example of some of writers:
Lore documents gathered from forums.
Douglas Goodall's Texts
Michael Kirkbride's Texts
Kurt Kuhlmann's Texts
Gary Noonan's Texts
Ken Rolston's Texts
Collaboration
Unknown Authors
Michael Kirkbride wrote "36 Lessons of Vivec" and most all the lore fromTES3: Morrowind and most of the "Bizarre" lore we have.
(Like Vivec mating with Molag Bal). He went on to write lots of "Fan Fiction" about Nirn, and many hold it as Canon.
But it's not. If it's not in game, it's not canon...
Edited by wenchmore420b14_ESO on March 23, 2018 11:58PMDrakon Koryn~Oryndill, Rogue~Mage,- CP ~Doesn't matter any more
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"Not All Who Wander are Lost"
#MOREHOUSINGSLOTS“When the people that can make the company more successful are sales and marketing people, they end up running the companies. The product people get driven out of the decision making forums, and the companies forget what it means to make great products.”
_Steve Jobs (The Lost Interview)2 -
crashen17b14_ESO✭✭✭Get that C0da crap out of here.There is a reason writers have editors, especially in games. They are there to say "No. Put down the joint, that is stupid." Kirkbride's out of game writing is a prime example. Without someone to keep him from going on a magic adventure up his own ass, he churns out nonsense that is written like a 20 something philosophy major's bad fanfiction. And that is exactly what his out of game stuff is. Bad fan fiction.
But thats just like, my C0DA maaaaaan.6 -
The_4O4✭✭✭C0da is canon to me so yes.Sad that there's so many people who don't know who KINMUNE is1 -
Ajaxandriel✭✭✭✭✭Get that C0da crap out of here.AEAltadoonPadhome wrote: »To answer your question: Do you remember the Orrery of Elden Root? The psijic devices that can be seen in the summerset trailer? Look a lot like the Eye of Magnus to me. Wasn't KINMUNE imprisoned in that thing in Saarthal?
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psychotrip✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoNo.
As much as I love Kirbride, I'm pretty sure he made that in retaliation against Ayrenn, whom he compared to an airport bookstore tier character. I think it was just his way of coming to terms with how The Elder Scrolls was changing since his time writing for the older games. He just decided to make the most Kirkbride thing possible as the polar opposite of what Zenimax and Bethesda were doing with The Elder Scrolls. Sort of an "opposite extreme" kind of thing.
Obviously I can't speak for the man, but that's the sense I got, and there was a lot of similar "Morrowind-esque craziness" being written by various people around the time Ayrenn and Auridon were revealed. It pissed off a lot of people.
Jesus Christ the artwork is pretty though. Way more beautiful than anything we got in the "real" Summerset.
Edited by psychotrip on March 24, 2018 2:54AMNo one is saying there aren't multiple interpretations of the lore, and we're not arguing that ESO did it "wrong".
We're arguing that they decided to go for the most boring, mundane, seen-before interpretation possible. Like they almost always do, unless they can ride on the coat-tails of past games.4 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Sad that there's so many people who don't know who KINMUNE is
Yeah, totally sad that people arent up to date on the non-canon fanfic of a former Elder Scrolls developer thats only referenced in game and not by name by an out of the way conspiracy-theory-spewing NPC in the Daggerfall Covenant base.6 -
Thal_J✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »
Look, if you are going to point that out, go the whole way. Kirkbride isn't actively working on the Elder Scrolls anymore in any official capacity. He's written lots of extra stuff that isn't actually canon until it is used in a Canon game.
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:The_36_Lessons:_Sermon_37
Go here: world without wheel, charting zero deaths, and echoes singing
www.c0da.es
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VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Arko_Nam_La wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »
Look, if you are going to point that out, go the whole way. Kirkbride isn't actively working on the Elder Scrolls anymore in any official capacity. He's written lots of extra stuff that isn't actually canon until it is used in a Canon game.
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:The_36_Lessons:_Sermon_37
Go here: world without wheel, charting zero deaths, and echoes singing
www.c0da.es
And your point is what? That Michael Kirkbride an ESO writer embedded his Kirkbride's website into the texts for a canon game therefore everything Kirkbride posts on that website is canon?
LOL, pull the other one.
More like a writer embedded their website into the canon texts for a canon game which is a kind of a cool Easter egg, but doesn't bestow any canon status on that website whatsoever.
Edited to add: corrected to address my assumption that Kirkbride wrote the 37th sermon, since I had previously been unable to identify an author for it. I still stand by my evaluation that its a cool Easter egg and not meant to bestow canon status on the website, save perhaps in a breaking-the-fourth-wall-Vivec-Chim-trippy-sort-of-way that Vivec's sermons and Kirkbride's fanfic often achieves.Edited by VaranisArano on March 24, 2018 1:59PM1 -
C0da is canon to me so yes.MK didn't write sermon 37 but go off queen0
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xeNNNNN✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoLoving the concept art used to validate this joke theory lmao
Really in all seriousness, that is concept art from what they thought high elves should actually look like.Ah, e-communities - the "pinnacle" of the internet............yeah, right.2 -
Dracane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoKinmune is pure fan fiction and to insist that Ayrenn (the purest being on Tamriel right now) is something evil or twisted, brings tears to my eyes. Ayrenn is Ayrenn, a great queen, leader and trust person. Michael Kirkbride surely has brought basic lore to Elder Scrolls with Morrowind, but his imagination has grown too vivid over the years and should not be listened to anymore.Edited by Dracane on March 24, 2018 6:18AMAuri-El is my lord,
Trinimac is my shield,
Magnus is my mind.
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VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭platonicidealgirlfriend wrote: »MK didn't write sermon 37 but go off queen
Thanks for pointing that out. I'd been unable to identify an author for sermon 37 when I posted, so I've corrected that assumption.0
