Australians get ripped off again
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Zagnut123Zagnut123✭✭✭✭TheRealPotoroo wrote: »It's 10% off where you think it should be. It is possible that the additional costs of a US company doing business in Australia accounts for that (additional taxes, regulations, etc.)? I have noticed that Australia seems to be left out of a lot of events and such - seems like possibly a hard place to do business in?
I am talking exclusively about buying digital items online. No local physical presence is required. And if ZoS/Bethesda are charging the Australian Goods and Services Tax then their web site is not making that clear, as they are required to under Australian law.Does a VPN work to be offered the USD store or does it figure it out based on your address in the account?
The web site says pricing is based on your country of registration.
I registered in Germany but live in the states now and I pay the same as everyone else in the states. Just saying0 -
Saturnana✭✭✭✭✭
Grats on incorrectly assuming gender.
Oh, and I don't care about VAT as it's just an international application of local taxes.
Taxes that are included on both the US and EU version of the product.
So that leaves us with two ways of approaching this pricing issue:
1.
$ 39,99 incl taxes (32,43 in euros) VS. € 39,99 incl. taxes (49,32 in dollars)
= 23,3% more expensive for EU with current exchange rate
2.
$ 39,99 minus a country-wide U.S. average of 7,6% sales-tax* = $ 37,17 (30,14 in euros)
€ 39,99 minus Dutch VAT of 21% = € 33,05 (40,76 in dollars)
= 9,7% more expensive for EU with current exchange rate
* Used this page to get an average
(All 'total with max local surtax' percentages of the 53 listed territories summed up = 401,65% / 53 = 7,6%)
Conclusion: EU still gets ripped off.
EDIT: It's not that me - and many others - aren't going to pay the €39,99. We will.
But don't pretend Australia as well as a lot of other countries (including EU) aren't getting charged more. We are.Edited by Saturnana on March 23, 2018 11:40AM@Saturnna | PC / EU
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Zagnut123Zagnut123✭✭✭✭ClockworkCityBugs wrote: »@Zagnut123Zagnut123 its not true
come and check your country at ZOS account again
Definetley is0 -
Zagnut123Zagnut123✭✭✭✭ClockworkCityBugs wrote: »@Zagnut123Zagnut123 its not true
come and check your country at ZOS account again
I just double checked cause u have me paranoid but it says us so idk what ur on about.0 -
Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »ClockworkCityBugs wrote: »@Zagnut123Zagnut123 its not true
come and check your country at ZOS account again
I just double checked cause u have me paranoid but it says us so idk what ur on about.
and? it says DE?
prices must be in EUR then0 -
Zagnut123Zagnut123✭✭✭✭ClockworkCityBugs wrote: »Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »ClockworkCityBugs wrote: »@Zagnut123Zagnut123 its not true
come and check your country at ZOS account again
I just double checked cause u have me paranoid but it says us so idk what ur on about.
and? it says DE?
prices must be in EUR then
It says us I pay usdEdited by Zagnut123Zagnut123 on March 23, 2018 11:44AM0 -
@Zagnut123Zagnut123
allright then
you misunderstood whole point
you country of registration is US
thats why you see prices in US
thats what we talked about
currency in store = country in zos account0 -
Hokiewa✭✭✭✭
Grats on incorrectly assuming gender.
Oh, and I don't care about VAT as it's just an international application of local taxes.
Taxes that are included on both the US and EU version of the product.
So that leaves us with two ways of approaching this pricing issue:
1.
$ 39,99 incl taxes (32,43 in euros) VS. € 39,99 incl. taxes (49,32 in dollars)
= 23,3% more expensive for EU with current exchange rate
2.
$ 39,99 minus a country-wide U.S. average of 7,6% sales-tax* = $ 37,17 (30,14 in euros)
€ 39,99 minus Dutch VAT of 21% = € 33,05 (40,76 in dollars)
= 9,7% more expensive for EU with current exchange rate
* Used this page to get an average
(All 'total with max local surtax' percentages of the 53 listed territories summed up = 401,65% / 53 = 7,6%)
Conclusion: EU still gets ripped off.
EDIT: It's not that me - and many others - aren't going to pay the €39,99. We will.
But don't pretend Australia as well as a lot of other countries (including EU) aren't getting charged more. We are.
Two things. The average rate from the site you listed for US State taxes is actually 5.1833 %. The base locality tax (max surtax) is never charged on internet purchases as counties, towns and cities etc... do not have any legal authority to tax digital purchases. Additionally, only some states apply sales tax to internet sales and generally, that only applies if the company selling the product has a physical location in the state (federal law, SCOTUS see Quill Corp v. North Dakota, 1992).
Granted some states have reached beyond their legal authority but for the vast majority, they aren't charging sales tax on digital video games. I have never paid a tax on either digital games or digital currency living in the state of Virginia if I buy either through the Xbox store or the direct retailer. I would, however, pay sales tax if I bought the game through a retailer that has a presence in the state of VA, such as Amazon or Gamestop. I do concede in the handful of states, likely Maryland and Texas, the sales tax is probably built into the price for those US customers.Edited by Hokiewa on March 23, 2018 11:55AM0 -
Zagnut123Zagnut123✭✭✭✭ClockworkCityBugs wrote: »@Zagnut123Zagnut123
allright then
you misunderstood whole point
you country of registration is US
thats why you see prices in US
thats what we talked about
currency in store = country in zos account
I registered while living in Germany my bank credit card andaddress were all German I've been back in the states for 2 years now and it says us. I don't see how dps would have know i was an American citizen as everything I put into account creation tied me to Germany.0 -
KiraTsukasa✭✭✭✭✭mythlover20 wrote: »For us the Erstwhile Sanctuary cost 13000, which in Australian dollars equals $130. Unfurnished.
And the price is the same for Americans. So if you're getting ripped off, we are too. Welcome to the club.0 -
Saturnana✭✭✭✭✭
Grats on incorrectly assuming gender.
Oh, and I don't care about VAT as it's just an international application of local taxes.
Taxes that are included on both the US and EU version of the product.
So that leaves us with two ways of approaching this pricing issue:
1.
$ 39,99 incl taxes (32,43 in euros) VS. € 39,99 incl. taxes (49,32 in dollars)
= 23,3% more expensive for EU with current exchange rate
2.
$ 39,99 minus a country-wide U.S. average of 7,6% sales-tax* = $ 37,17 (30,14 in euros)
€ 39,99 minus Dutch VAT of 21% = € 33,05 (40,76 in dollars)
= 9,7% more expensive for EU with current exchange rate
* Used this page to get an average
(All 'total with max local surtax' percentages of the 53 listed territories summed up = 401,65% / 53 = 7,6%)
Conclusion: EU still gets ripped off.
EDIT: It's not that me - and many others - aren't going to pay the €39,99. We will.
But don't pretend Australia as well as a lot of other countries (including EU) aren't getting charged more. We are.
Two things. The average rate from the site you listed for US State taxes is actually 5.1833 %. The base locality tax (max surtax) is never charged on internet purchases as counties, towns and cities etc... do not have any legal authority to tax digital purchases. Additionally, only some states apply sales tax to internet sales and generally, that only applies if the company selling the product has a physical location in the state (federal law, SCOTUS see Quill Corp v. North Dakota, 1992).
Granted some states have reached beyond their legal authority but for the vast majority, they aren't charging sales tax on digital video games. I have never paid a tax on either digital games or digital currency living in the state of Virginia if I buy either through the Xbox store or the direct retailer. I would, however, pay sales tax if I bought the game through a retailer that has a presence in the state of VA, such as Amazon or Gamestop. I do concede in the handful of states, likely Maryland and Texas, the sales tax is probably built into the price for those US customers.
The taxes really don't matter as I've compared check-out prices on a US- and EU-based account, and they both get charged a final amount of 39,99 in their own currency - taxes and whatnot included, if applicable. I compared taxes in my previous post to illustrate that even when including VAT - something I was 'accused' of not knowing about - EU still gets charged more in comparison. Excluding a U.S sales-tax of 5,2% instead of 7,6% would still mean a 7,3% end total difference:
$ 39,99 minus a country-wide U.S. average of 5,2% sales-tax* = $ 38,01 (30,79 in euros)
€ 39,99 minus Dutch VAT of 21% = € 33,05 (40,76 in dollars)
= 7,3% more expensive for EU with current exchange rate
And again, I'm not trying to hate on ZOS or refusing to pay. I am really looking forward to Summerset and will happily throw that 39,99 at them. It's just that people are tying to point out some obvious pricing differences in some regions, and taxes seem to constantly be brought up as an argument to counter that the pricing is fair. I just wanted to illustrate that even when including taxes, if you objectively compare prices by exchange rate, they're not.Edited by Saturnana on March 23, 2018 12:18PM@Saturnna | PC / EU
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✭TheRealPotoroo wrote: »As usual, Australians are being grossly over charged for the digital editions (= no shipping costs) of the Summerset chapter.
What Americans pay:
Summerset Digital Collector's Edition $59.99 USD
Summerset Digital Standard Edition $39.99 USD
Summerset Digital Collector's Edition Upgrade $39.99 USD
Summerset Digital Upgrade $29.99 USD
What Australians pay:
Summerset Digital Collector's Edition $89.95 AUD
Summerset Digital Standard Edition $59.95 AUD
Summerset Digital Collector's Edition Upgrade $59.95 AUD
Summerset Digital Upgrade $44.95 AUD
What Australians should pay if ZoS/Bethesda used a realistic exchange rate (0.75 used here even though it is 0.78 in reality):
Summerset Digital Collector's Edition $79.99 AUD
Summerset Digital Standard Edition $53.32 AUD
Summerset Digital Collector's Edition Upgrade $53.32 AUD
Summerset Digital Upgrade $39.99 AUD
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Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »ClockworkCityBugs wrote: »@Zagnut123Zagnut123
allright then
you misunderstood whole point
you country of registration is US
thats why you see prices in US
thats what we talked about
currency in store = country in zos account
I registered while living in Germany my bank credit card andaddress were all German I've been back in the states for 2 years now and it says us. I don't see how dps would have know i was an American citizen as everything I put into account creation tied me to Germany.
when you registered account you set USA country, not Germany
by mistake or why i dont know
but ZOS never change your country without your permission.ticket first0 -
TheRealPotoroo✭✭✭✭✭
✭YOU PAY VAT on digital goods and services. There is no ifs. It's clearly stated on AOT.
You don't import low value good - you buy DIGITAL service (which is ESO).
You are troll or dense or both and nothing else.
We do not pay GST on overseas purchases that are under $1,000. GST applies equally to goods and services, so the $1,000 low value import exemption applies to both. However, for the umpteenth time, that will change on 1 July, 2018.
Since the ATO web site is down, have some alternative links:
"Currently, low-value imports (those with a customs value of A$1,000 or less) are exempt from GST. If the legislation is passed, overseas vendors who sell more than A$75,000 of low-value goods to Australian consumers would be required to register for GST, and collect and remit GST on low-value goods to the ATO."
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/why-the-new-gst-on-imported-products-under-1000-looks-like-it-could-become-another-red-tape-nightmare-for-business-2017-4
"From 1 July 2018, all goods imported to Australian consumers will now be subject to 10% GST. Previously goods that were considered low value ($1,000 AUD and under) were exempt from GST, however the government has now legislated this ‘loop hole’ to include all imported goods."
https://www.allanhall.com.au/gst-low-value-imported-goods/
"It means imports of goods worth less than $1,000, which are now GST-free, will no longer be exempt from the tax."
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/jun/19/gst-extended-to-all-goods-bought-overseas-from-july-2018
"GST on imports: new rules for goods under $1,000"
"Imported goods below AU$1,000 are not currently subject to Australian import GST,"
http://www.greenwichco.com.au/gst-imports-new-rules-goods-1000/Edited by TheRealPotoroo on March 23, 2018 1:04PMPC NA, PC EU
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✭✭✭✭@ZOS_BillE @ZOS_JesC @ZOS_MattL You guys might want to close this thread. It's really going nowhere and the discussion is getting derailedGold Dragons Guildmaster PC-NACR2000+Kalthar Wolf-Brother – EP Templar - 50 Maeli Valen - EP NB - 50Naps-During-Trials – EP Templar - 50Rulnakh - EP Sorc - 50Azrael Krieg - EP NB – 50Uvithasa Telvanni – EP DK – 50More-Tail - EP Warden - 50Narile Galen - EP Sorc - 50Bone Soldier - EP Necro - 50Naps-During-Trails - EP Necro - 502 -
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✭✭✭✭While we don't currently pay GST on imported purchases under $1000, ZOS legally have to charge GST if the amount of money they make from purchases of services or digital products that originate from within Australia are equal to or greater than $75000 in a 12 month period. That law came into effect 1 July, 2017. Not long after that ZOS readjusted the all the prices on their website to indicate this change. Since you are too dense and only look for information that confirms your bias, I've done the work to find the document for GSTR 2017/1 that outlines the changes regarding the charge of GST by businesses outside of Australia that earn more than $75000 in a 12 month period from sales of services or digital goods that originate in Australia.
https://www.ato.gov.au/law/view/document?DocID=GST/GSTR20171/NAT/ATO/00001Gold Dragons Guildmaster PC-NACR2000+Kalthar Wolf-Brother – EP Templar - 50 Maeli Valen - EP NB - 50Naps-During-Trials – EP Templar - 50Rulnakh - EP Sorc - 50Azrael Krieg - EP NB – 50Uvithasa Telvanni – EP DK – 50More-Tail - EP Warden - 50Narile Galen - EP Sorc - 50Bone Soldier - EP Necro - 50Naps-During-Trails - EP Necro - 507 -
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✭TheRealPotoroo wrote: »TheRealPotoroo wrote: »
1 USD = 1,3 AUDTheRealPotoroo wrote: »As usual, Australians are being grossly over charged for the digital editions (= no shipping costs) of the Summerset chapter.
What Americans pay:
Summerset Digital Collector's Edition $59.99 USD
Summerset Digital Standard Edition $39.99 USD
Summerset Digital Collector's Edition Upgrade $39.99 USD
Summerset Digital Upgrade $29.99 USD
What Australians pay:
Summerset Digital Collector's Edition $89.95 AUD
Summerset Digital Standard Edition $59.95 AUD
Summerset Digital Collector's Edition Upgrade $59.95 AUD
Summerset Digital Upgrade $44.95 AUD
What Australians should pay if ZoS/Bethesda used a realistic exchange rate (0.75 used here even though it is 0.78 in reality):
Summerset Digital Collector's Edition $79.99 AUD
Summerset Digital Standard Edition $53.32 AUD
Summerset Digital Collector's Edition Upgrade $53.32 AUD
Summerset Digital Upgrade $39.99 AUD
60 USD * 1,3 = 78 AUD * 10% VAT ~86 AUD.
What Betheseda charge? 90 AUD.
Yes, clearly RIP OFF.
It's really sad how people fail at basic mathematics.
It's the same s..t always in EU countries, too when people complain why 1 $ = 1 € and yet completely forgot huge VAT rates imposed by socialistic European states.
You want cheap stuff with high taxes?
Why did you include 10% VAT? It's not applicable here, as has been pointed out multiple times.
Oh yes, you pay VAT no matter what you say.
https://www.ato.gov.au/Business/International-tax-for-business/In-detail/Buying-digital-goods-or-services-from-overseas---for-Australian-consumers/
You constantly spread fake news:
1) ADVISE =/= mandatory. If you don't know what advise mean, open dictionary:GST and listed prices
Online suppliers often have customers worldwide, so prices displayed online may not initially include Australian GST.
However, suppliers should:
advise that additional taxes may apply, and
include GST in the price as soon as they know that you are an Australian consumer.
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/advise
2) They include VAT (GST) in price for Australian customers which me and other already showed.
Case closed.
You are wrong. We do not pay GST on overseas purchases under $1000 and there is no Australian government web site page that says we do. Stop linking to web pages you obviously haven't read.
Australia appears to differentiate "imported services and digital products" (applicable now) and "low value imported goods" (applicable July 2018). It appears you keep talking about the latter, but what applies is the former. Check the different categories for them here:TheRealPotoroo wrote: »
1 USD = 1,3 AUDTheRealPotoroo wrote: »As usual, Australians are being grossly over charged for the digital editions (= no shipping costs) of the Summerset chapter.
What Americans pay:
Summerset Digital Collector's Edition $59.99 USD
Summerset Digital Standard Edition $39.99 USD
Summerset Digital Collector's Edition Upgrade $39.99 USD
Summerset Digital Upgrade $29.99 USD
What Australians pay:
Summerset Digital Collector's Edition $89.95 AUD
Summerset Digital Standard Edition $59.95 AUD
Summerset Digital Collector's Edition Upgrade $59.95 AUD
Summerset Digital Upgrade $44.95 AUD
What Australians should pay if ZoS/Bethesda used a realistic exchange rate (0.75 used here even though it is 0.78 in reality):
Summerset Digital Collector's Edition $79.99 AUD
Summerset Digital Standard Edition $53.32 AUD
Summerset Digital Collector's Edition Upgrade $53.32 AUD
Summerset Digital Upgrade $39.99 AUD
60 USD * 1,3 = 78 AUD * 10% VAT ~86 AUD.
What Betheseda charge? 90 AUD.
Yes, clearly RIP OFF.
It's really sad how people fail at basic mathematics.
It's the same s..t always in EU countries, too when people complain why 1 $ = 1 € and yet completely forgot huge VAT rates imposed by socialistic European states.
You want cheap stuff with high taxes?
Why did you include 10% VAT? It's not applicable here, as has been pointed out multiple times.
https://www.ato.gov.au/Business/International-tax-for-business/
"Low value imported goods" simply means anything under $1,000. Right now the government does not collect GST on "low value imported goods" - which means it does not collect GST on any private purchase overseas that's under $1,000 - but as of 1 July, 2018, it will.
You people keep linking to ATO web pages but you're clearly not reading what they actually say.
Going by the prices you quoted, it's pretty obvious you do pay it.3 -
WarMasterCyp✭✭✭In my region it was 29,99 euro for the digital upgrade and 39,99 for summerset (plus bonus)0 -
19.99 GBP digital upgrade for me (and im not from UK, i just made UK account for cheaper subscription prices)0
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✭AzraelKrieg wrote: »While we don't currently pay GST on imported purchases under $1000, ZOS legally have to charge GST if the amount of money they make from purchases of services or digital products that originate from within Australia are equal to or greater than $75000 in a 12 month period. That law came into effect 1 July, 2017. Not long after that ZOS readjusted the all the prices on their website to indicate this change. Since you are too dense and only look for information that confirms your bias, I've done the work to find the document for GSTR 2017/1 that outlines the changes regarding the charge of GST by businesses outside of Australia that earn more than $75000 in a 12 month period from sales of services or digital goods that originate in Australia.
https://www.ato.gov.au/law/view/document?DocID=GST/GSTR20171/NAT/ATO/00001
Edited by Illurian on March 23, 2018 3:39PMKiss the chaos.5 -
TheRealPotoroo✭✭✭✭✭
✭AzraelKrieg wrote: »While we don't currently pay GST on imported purchases under $1000, ZOS legally have to charge GST if the amount of money they make from purchases of services or digital products that originate from within Australia are equal to or greater than $75000 in a 12 month period. That law came into effect 1 July, 2017. Not long after that ZOS readjusted the all the prices on their website to indicate this change. Since you are too dense and only look for information that confirms your bias, I've done the work to find the document for GSTR 2017/1 that outlines the changes regarding the charge of GST by businesses outside of Australia that earn more than $75000 in a 12 month period from sales of services or digital goods that originate in Australia.
https://www.ato.gov.au/law/view/document?DocID=GST/GSTR20171/NAT/ATO/00001
You were doing well until you got cocky and called me dense because I always look for facts and won't give in to bullies who pull things out of their rear ends and expect to be taken seriously.Edited by TheRealPotoroo on March 23, 2018 5:16PMPC NA, PC EU
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You obviously have no idea how taxing works.
Grats on incorrectly assuming gender.
Oh, and I don't care about VAT as it's just an international application of local taxes.
Taxes that are included on both the US and EU version of the product.
So that leaves us with two ways of approaching this pricing issue:
1.
$ 39,99 incl taxes (32,43 in euros) VS. € 39,99 incl. taxes (49,32 in dollars)
= 23,3% more expensive for EU with current exchange rate
2.
$ 39,99 minus a country-wide U.S. average of 7,6% sales-tax* = $ 37,17 (30,14 in euros)
€ 39,99 minus Dutch VAT of 21% = € 33,05 (40,76 in dollars)
= 9,7% more expensive for EU with current exchange rate
* Used this page to get an average
(All 'total with max local surtax' percentages of the 53 listed territories summed up = 401,65% / 53 = 7,6%)
Conclusion: EU still gets ripped off.
EDIT: It's not that me - and many others - aren't going to pay the €39,99. We will.
But don't pretend Australia as well as a lot of other countries (including EU) aren't getting charged more. We are.
Sales tax in USA is not listed when you browse online. What you see is price before sales tax.
Once you start purchase, your state tax is applied or not, depending on state. 39,99 $ price is before sales tax is applied.
Stop applying EU VAT system logic on US sales tax. Different types of consumtion taxes.
Prices in Europe have VAT included from start. Big difference.
So, 39,99 $ * ~0,8 = ~32 € * ~20-25% VAT = ~38-40 € final consumer price
Wow, exactly as should be.
When you buy games on Steam, at checkpoint is clearly stated how much VAT you pay.Aldmeri Dominion (PC EU via Steam)
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Zagnut123Zagnut123✭✭✭✭ClockworkCityBugs wrote: »Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »ClockworkCityBugs wrote: »@Zagnut123Zagnut123
allright then
you misunderstood whole point
you country of registration is US
thats why you see prices in US
thats what we talked about
currency in store = country in zos account
I registered while living in Germany my bank credit card andaddress were all German I've been back in the states for 2 years now and it says us. I don't see how dps would have know i was an American citizen as everything I put into account creation tied me to Germany.
when you registered account you set USA country, not Germany
by mistake or why i dont know
but ZOS never change your country without your permission.ticket first
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✭TheRealPotoroo wrote: »AzraelKrieg wrote: »While we don't currently pay GST on imported purchases under $1000, ZOS legally have to charge GST if the amount of money they make from purchases of services or digital products that originate from within Australia are equal to or greater than $75000 in a 12 month period. That law came into effect 1 July, 2017. Not long after that ZOS readjusted the all the prices on their website to indicate this change. Since you are too dense and only look for information that confirms your bias, I've done the work to find the document for GSTR 2017/1 that outlines the changes regarding the charge of GST by businesses outside of Australia that earn more than $75000 in a 12 month period from sales of services or digital goods that originate in Australia.
https://www.ato.gov.au/law/view/document?DocID=GST/GSTR20171/NAT/ATO/00001
... I always look for facts ...
Sorry, but this whole thread implies otherwise.
Azrael was spot on.0 -
Sinthrax✭✭✭✭I don't understand how you make more so you pay more is hard to understand.. Cost of living is higher there...therefore you pay more for EVERY product. Including digital games. How is this hard to understand?
It works the same way from city to city in the US. Live in New York where people make more then you pay 5 times as much for buying things. If you life in Podunk City you pay less...because you make less.. It really is easy to understand.Edited by Sinthrax on March 24, 2018 12:20AM0 -
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You obviously have no idea how taxing works.
Grats on incorrectly assuming gender.
Oh, and I don't care about VAT as it's just an international application of local taxes.
Taxes that are included on both the US and EU version of the product.
So that leaves us with two ways of approaching this pricing issue:
1.
$ 39,99 incl taxes (32,43 in euros) VS. € 39,99 incl. taxes (49,32 in dollars)
= 23,3% more expensive for EU with current exchange rate
2.
$ 39,99 minus a country-wide U.S. average of 7,6% sales-tax* = $ 37,17 (30,14 in euros)
€ 39,99 minus Dutch VAT of 21% = € 33,05 (40,76 in dollars)
= 9,7% more expensive for EU with current exchange rate
* Used this page to get an average
(All 'total with max local surtax' percentages of the 53 listed territories summed up = 401,65% / 53 = 7,6%)
Conclusion: EU still gets ripped off.
EDIT: It's not that me - and many others - aren't going to pay the €39,99. We will.
But don't pretend Australia as well as a lot of other countries (including EU) aren't getting charged more. We are.
Sales tax in USA is not listed when you browse online. What you see is price before sales tax.
Once you start purchase, your state tax is applied or not, depending on state. 39,99 $ price is before sales tax is applied.
Stop applying EU VAT system logic on US sales tax. Different types of consumtion taxes.
Prices in Europe have VAT included from start. Big difference.
So, 39,99 $ * ~0,8 = ~32 € * ~20-25% VAT = ~38-40 € final consumer price
Wow, exactly as should be.
When you buy games on Steam, at checkpoint is clearly stated how much VAT you pay.
I have forgotten more about how tax works in my country than you will ever know. WTF are you rabbiting on about US sales tax and EU VAT as if they had the slightest relevance to the Australian GST? If ZoS/Bethesda are including GST then they must say so up front but they don't say it anywhere in the process.Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »ClockworkCityBugs wrote: »Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »ClockworkCityBugs wrote: »@Zagnut123Zagnut123
allright then
you misunderstood whole point
you country of registration is US
thats why you see prices in US
thats what we talked about
currency in store = country in zos account
I registered while living in Germany my bank credit card andaddress were all German I've been back in the states for 2 years now and it says us. I don't see how dps would have know i was an American citizen as everything I put into account creation tied me to Germany.
when you registered account you set USA country, not Germany
by mistake or why i dont know
but ZOS never change your country without your permission.ticket first
Well why don't aussies change there country then.
I wonder if that would create a conflict with Steam.witchdoctor wrote: »TheRealPotoroo wrote: »AzraelKrieg wrote: »While we don't currently pay GST on imported purchases under $1000, ZOS legally have to charge GST if the amount of money they make from purchases of services or digital products that originate from within Australia are equal to or greater than $75000 in a 12 month period. That law came into effect 1 July, 2017. Not long after that ZOS readjusted the all the prices on their website to indicate this change. Since you are too dense and only look for information that confirms your bias, I've done the work to find the document for GSTR 2017/1 that outlines the changes regarding the charge of GST by businesses outside of Australia that earn more than $75000 in a 12 month period from sales of services or digital goods that originate in Australia.
https://www.ato.gov.au/law/view/document?DocID=GST/GSTR20171/NAT/ATO/00001
... I always look for facts ...
Sorry, but this whole thread implies otherwise.
Azrael was spot on.
Oh, no it doesn't. Most of the people who have commented have been wrong about one fact or another and many of them have been abusive to boot. If people would turn their brains on before posting and not repeat refuted fallacies it would be a great help.PC NA, PC EU
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