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Nightblades: The weakest PVP class for Summerset?
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Nihility42✭✭✭✭lol this must be some kind of joke
This is nonsense. Nightblades commits about nothing when ganking, so they either one shot you, and the implementation of this new ult changes nothing, or you survive to ult, and unless somehow Undo costs less ult than incap strike, you still end up with a net advantage.Nihility42 wrote: ».
Now imagine that right as they've blown their load, wasted their entire burst, made themselves vulnerable, someone pops this ultimate. The nightblade will be completely helpless and ineffective.
Exactly, so my previous suggestion that incap should increase ult cost for those hit by it makes sense then. Makes sure that they can't Undo again too soon.1 -
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✭Nihility42 wrote: »Now imagine that right as they've blown their load,
I'm Not giggling or anything2 -
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✭✭Honestly is they leave nightblades where they are and fix the other classes as well as add this skill then I think the game will be more balanced as a resultFlawless Conqueror ~ Grand OverlordShe/Her ~ PC/NA | I record things for fun and for info0 -
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What? No, what I'm saying is that incap only costs 75 ult, so unless Undo costs even less than that, you would be at a net win for blowing up their expensive ult, while you have committed nothing.Nihility42 wrote: »lol this must be some kind of joke
This is nonsense. Nightblades commits about nothing when ganking, so they either one shot you, and the implementation of this new ult changes nothing, or you survive to ult, and unless somehow Undo costs less ult than incap strike, you still end up with a net advantage.Nihility42 wrote: ».
Now imagine that right as they've blown their load, wasted their entire burst, made themselves vulnerable, someone pops this ultimate. The nightblade will be completely helpless and ineffective.
Exactly, so my previous suggestion that incap should increase ult cost for those hit by it makes sense then. Makes sure that they can't Undo again too soon.When the snows fall and the white winds blow,
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Nihility42✭✭✭✭
What? No, what I'm saying is that incap only costs 75 ult, so unless Undo costs even less than that, you would be at a net win for blowing up their expensive ult, while you have committed nothing.Nihility42 wrote: »lol this must be some kind of joke
This is nonsense. Nightblades commits about nothing when ganking, so they either one shot you, and the implementation of this new ult changes nothing, or you survive to ult, and unless somehow Undo costs less ult than incap strike, you still end up with a net advantage.Nihility42 wrote: ».
Now imagine that right as they've blown their load, wasted their entire burst, made themselves vulnerable, someone pops this ultimate. The nightblade will be completely helpless and ineffective.
Exactly, so my previous suggestion that incap should increase ult cost for those hit by it makes sense then. Makes sure that they can't Undo again too soon.
Hmm... I see where you're getting at, but NBs are so squishy and I really think it diminishes their class identity to allow other classes to reset the fight like that. Fight resets should be kept to cloaking which can easily be countered. Unlike this new skill.0 -
DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER✭✭✭✭✭Nihility42 wrote: »
What? No, what I'm saying is that incap only costs 75 ult, so unless Undo costs even less than that, you would be at a net win for blowing up their expensive ult, while you have committed nothing.Nihility42 wrote: »lol this must be some kind of joke
This is nonsense. Nightblades commits about nothing when ganking, so they either one shot you, and the implementation of this new ult changes nothing, or you survive to ult, and unless somehow Undo costs less ult than incap strike, you still end up with a net advantage.Nihility42 wrote: ».
Now imagine that right as they've blown their load, wasted their entire burst, made themselves vulnerable, someone pops this ultimate. The nightblade will be completely helpless and ineffective.
Exactly, so my previous suggestion that incap should increase ult cost for those hit by it makes sense then. Makes sure that they can't Undo again too soon.
Hmm... I see where you're getting at, but NBs are so squishy and I really think it diminishes their class identity to allow other classes to reset the fight like that. Fight resets should be kept to cloaking which can easily be countered. Unlike this new skill.
nightblades arent squishy. stop with your lies3 -
Nihility42✭✭✭✭DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER wrote: »Nihility42 wrote: »
What? No, what I'm saying is that incap only costs 75 ult, so unless Undo costs even less than that, you would be at a net win for blowing up their expensive ult, while you have committed nothing.Nihility42 wrote: »lol this must be some kind of joke
This is nonsense. Nightblades commits about nothing when ganking, so they either one shot you, and the implementation of this new ult changes nothing, or you survive to ult, and unless somehow Undo costs less ult than incap strike, you still end up with a net advantage.Nihility42 wrote: ».
Now imagine that right as they've blown their load, wasted their entire burst, made themselves vulnerable, someone pops this ultimate. The nightblade will be completely helpless and ineffective.
Exactly, so my previous suggestion that incap should increase ult cost for those hit by it makes sense then. Makes sure that they can't Undo again too soon.
Hmm... I see where you're getting at, but NBs are so squishy and I really think it diminishes their class identity to allow other classes to reset the fight like that. Fight resets should be kept to cloaking which can easily be countered. Unlike this new skill.
nightblades arent squishy. stop with your lies
Nah, I killed one before and he died pretty fast.3 -
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✭✭✭DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER wrote: »nice joke. i hope stamblades will get their deserved nerfs. *** easymode *** class
I do understand this, but i am afraid what might happen to my magblade
where can i find the nerf announcement?٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶
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DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER✭✭✭✭✭Knootewoot wrote: »DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER wrote: »nice joke. i hope stamblades will get their deserved nerfs. *** easymode *** class
I do understand this, but i am afraid what might happen to my magblade
where can i find the nerf announcement?
stamblades are the problem not magblades.0 -
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✭✭✭Nihility42 wrote: »Hey guys, so as many of you know, NBs are currently fairly strong in the meta. Unfortunately ZOS has already shown how they plan to over-nerf and destroy the NB playstyle completely in PVP with their announcement yesterday. How is this, you ask? With the Psijic Order skill Undo.
You can see that this ultimate will completely reset any battle, Let's take a moment to consider how nightblades play. They burst you down out of stealth 100 to 0 in under 4 seconds. Now imagine that right as they've blown their load, wasted their entire burst, made themselves vulnerable, someone pops this ultimate. The nightblade will be completely helpless and ineffective. I'll be surprised if a nightblade ever gets another kill in this game.
Please, for the love of Talos, make some major buffs to nightblade before this chapter releases or they'll become the StamDK of the game. And no one wants that, let StamDK stay in their rightful place.
Shhh... You're gonna wake up the Nb haters0 -
Nihility42✭✭✭✭StaticWave wrote: »Nihility42 wrote: »Hey guys, so as many of you know, NBs are currently fairly strong in the meta. Unfortunately ZOS has already shown how they plan to over-nerf and destroy the NB playstyle completely in PVP with their announcement yesterday. How is this, you ask? With the Psijic Order skill Undo.
You can see that this ultimate will completely reset any battle, Let's take a moment to consider how nightblades play. They burst you down out of stealth 100 to 0 in under 4 seconds. Now imagine that right as they've blown their load, wasted their entire burst, made themselves vulnerable, someone pops this ultimate. The nightblade will be completely helpless and ineffective. I'll be surprised if a nightblade ever gets another kill in this game.
Please, for the love of Talos, make some major buffs to nightblade before this chapter releases or they'll become the StamDK of the game. And no one wants that, let StamDK stay in their rightful place.
Shhh... You're gonna wake up the Nb haters
The only people that hate NBs are those without the skill to play against them.
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Surak73✭✭✭✭✭Nihility42 wrote: »I also find it very troubling that this ultimate will allow players to just reset a fight. If you're going to fight in PVP, you should commit to it and not be able to just reset the fight willy nilly and escape.
OMG, a nigthblade who finds troubling that someone resets the fight... And I thought I had heard everything...Edited by Surak73 on March 22, 2018 9:35PM5 -
Kronuxx✭✭✭✭Nihility42 wrote: »ParaNostram wrote: »You know... Maybe if you learn to play some playstyle other than ganking you'd be able to roll with those punches. Person pops an ult to survive a gank, not unlike what defensive ults already in the game are like. How about you not respond to an ability that doesn't exist yet by asking for a buff to your class so you can, I assume, gank easier?
Seriously... If you are reliant on the gank to get the kill you're not a skilled player. The problem isn't the ability, it's your own lack of ability. Savvy?
I've never had a nightblade character. I main a Warden in PVP. I just want to look out for the class before their entire playstyle is destroyed. How will AD fare in Vivec when all their players are unable to gank to win? We'll be the laughing stock of the campaign.
I mean...isn't AD already the laughingstock of the Vivec campaign? I don't think there's any saving grace left. And as for a preemptive move to prevent a future skill from being implemented? You should wait for the actual PTS and test it properly rather than speculate with asinine assumptions.
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ofSunhold✭✭✭✭✭Can't cast it if you're dead.Classes that don't need any class ability nerfs: Nightblades, Dragonknights, Sorcs, Templars, Wardens.1 -
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Want competitive pvp while being outnumbered? Tough luck, the devs clearly said you have to die in those situations0 -
Fvh09NL✭✭✭Nihility42 wrote: »
I also find it very troubling that this ultimate will allow players to just reset a fight. If you're going to fight in PVP, you should commit to it and not be able to just reset the fight willy nilly and escape.
Hope this is a troll post but I'll respond anyway..
Funny thing is, resetting a fight is really easy on just the nightblade (can't do this as effective on any other of my chars, maybe streak but resetting a fight is actually the nightblades strenght). If another class resets so that you lose your burst you simply cloak and reset it yourself :^)1 -
Bbsample197✭✭✭✭How can you propose an idea yet you know nothing about nightblades? this is ridiculous
your only reason is that you care for the nightblades?? dont make me laugh most of the people here probaby have nightblades and well versed on it yet they contradict what you're actually proposing.
we know too little about the said skill and youre already jumping the gun
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Nihility42✭✭✭✭Bbsample197 wrote: »How can you propose an idea yet you know nothing about nightblades? this is ridiculous
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PS: please ffs! think before you post any topics
I dont have a nightblade, but I've watched streamers and fought against them. I'm knowledgeable. And I've been non stop theorycrafting since the announce. I just want balance in the game for the good of the community.0 -
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✭I'm sure it's been covered but I'll throw my 2c in.
1. Can't undo if you're dead.
2. NB can also use undo, so undo the undo and gank again.
3. Stealth up and run away
4. We know nothing about the actual use of this skill yet, so chill out.0 -
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✭✭✭Nightblades might be the weakest class, but don't be fooled. They are controlled by some really smart players.
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Beardimus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭They burst you down out of stealth 100 to 0 in under 4 seconds
It might be a bit hard to cast your “Undo” if you’re dead. If you manage that you certainly deserve to kill the NB and a rousing standing ovation on top.
Agreed. And who doesn't burst you down 100-0 in 4 sec? That's how everyone burst works.......
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✭✭✭✭✭Are NBs prohibited from using this skill themselves or something?Make Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Your ult is basically free and you have means of restoring ult quickly. Nightblade's have an insane burst uptime, this ult will harm Nightblades the least.Auri-El is my lord,
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Nihility42✭✭✭✭Joshuagm1991 wrote: »Who said undo was an ultimate? Undo allll day
Gina did in another thread.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭OP acts like ganking is the only thing NBs can do.
OP said they've never used NB so I can't blame them for being ignorant.
If the NB doesn't kill the player and that player uses Undo, they can either
A. Proceed to continue fighting like anybody else has always done and just kill their opponent or
B. Reset the fight themselves with Cloak, shade and/or undo
NBs, if un nerfed, will be as strong as everEdited by Waffennacht on March 23, 2018 3:14AM0
