What's with the new privacy policy~?

Girl_Number8 · March 2018

This came up before, and we were given an option but now why do you force us into something we already said no to? I just don't really see why our friends and Facebook info is relevant to you.

Turelus · March 2018

You've never been able to say no to the privacy police and play the game. If you said no it would just log you out of the game.

It's to do with their marketing and targeted adds, this is how the entire internet works now and you've accepted plenty of these without ever reading them just by visiting websites (including these forums).

anitajoneb17_ESO · March 2018

I did not want to create a new specific thread just for that, but it really annoys me to have to approve a modified contract without knowing the changes. A version comparison feature (or at least a "change note" similar to patch notes here on the forum) would be most welcome.

DieAlteHexe · March 2018

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

I did not want to create a new specific thread just for that, but it really annoys me to have to approve a modified contract without knowing the changes. A version comparison feature (or at least a "change note" similar to patch notes here on the forum) would be most welcome.

That's an excellent idea.

+1

Salvas_Aren · March 2018

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

This came up before, and we were given an option but now why do you force us into something we already said no to? I just don't really see why our friends and Facebook info is relevant to you.

OmG, what info do they get from me if I have no fakebook? I feel guilty right now.

Turelus · March 2018

Salvas_Aren wrote: »

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

This came up before, and we were given an option but now why do you force us into something we already said no to? I just don't really see why our friends and Facebook info is relevant to you.

OmG, what info do they get from me if I have no fakebook? I feel guilty right now.

I read it last night (mostly out of interest because I knew these threads would happen), it was really nothing shocking just the normal gathering your basic information so they can have Facebook, Google etc. display adds which are relevant to you (basically show you more Bethesda stuff so you might buy it)

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

I did not want to create a new specific thread just for that, but it really annoys me to have to approve a modified contract without knowing the changes. A version comparison feature (or at least a "change note" similar to patch notes here on the forum) would be most welcome.

Will actually point Gina to this as it's a good idea and might stop some of the worry every time they update it.

Girl_Number8 · March 2018

Turelus wrote: »

You've never been able to say no to the privacy police and play the game. If you said no it would just log you out of the game.

It's to do with their marketing and targeted adds, this is how the entire internet works now and you've accepted plenty of these without ever reading them just by visiting websites (including these forums).

Yes we were a while back~ by email.

Thevampirenight · March 2018

They pretty much are required by law to show you this and have you agree to it.. Kinda like police officer in america must give out Miranda rights. Just scroll through it and click yes and your done. Don't even need to read it but its there for a reason just like the terms of service. Its a legal thing and its just the way it is. I doubt many players even read them they just scroll through and click yes to everything or I agree. Its there to protect you, other people and them legally. To show what rights or rules they have. Whats changed things like that, just don't worry about it and you'll be fine just say yes to everything.

Girl_Number8 · March 2018

Salvas_Aren wrote: »

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

This came up before, and we were given an option but now why do you force us into something we already said no to? I just don't really see why our friends and Facebook info is relevant to you.

OmG, what info do they get from me if I have no fakebook? I feel guilty right now.

Well those of us with social lives and family and friends it does matter, and a choice is more welcomed then not having one. Smh

Girl_Number8 · March 2018

Yes, but they are using the information for more then that. If third party members are included then your privacy is being sold.

Ilithyania · March 2018

i read and understood

that was a lie

Girl_Number8 · March 2018

Ilithyania wrote: »

i read and understood

that was a lie

Doesn't matter, they made you submit in order to play a game that you already own.

Turelus · March 2018

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

You've never been able to say no to the privacy police and play the game. If you said no it would just log you out of the game.

It's to do with their marketing and targeted adds, this is how the entire internet works now and you've accepted plenty of these without ever reading them just by visiting websites (including these forums).

Yes we were a while back~ by email.

Really? I never knew that, apologies.

The update was only for EU though, so it might be they have to enforce it now or just needed to amend some wording to work with EU privacy laws.
My guess is it was changes to comply with the changes coming on May 25th. http://www.wired.co.uk/article/what-is-gdpr-uk-eu-legislation-compliance-summary-fines-2018

Girl_Number8 · March 2018

Np' you're always helpful. It just feels like a middle finger when we already went through this, and now they just show they will force it through breaking their promise they made to us.

anitajoneb17_ESO · March 2018

Thevampirenight wrote: »

They pretty much are required by law to show you this and have you agree to it.. Kinda like police officer in america must give out Miranda rights. Just scroll through it and click yes and your done. Don't even need to read it but its there for a reason just like the terms of service. Its a legal thing and its just the way it is. I doubt many players even read them they just scroll through and click yes to everything or I agree. Its there to protect you, other people and them legally. To show what rights or rules they have. Whats changed things like that, just don't worry about it and you'll be fine just say yes to everything.

It could also lock you out of some of your rights. It could be there to scam you.
People should *always* read what they sign, and read it carefully.
The problem is that most times it's too long, written in some confusing jargon, and people are not aware of the potential consequences. But that's no reason to tell people "it's ok you don't have to read it, just sign here"... I doubt there's anything in particular to fear from ZOS, but as a rule of thumb, people should read and understand - after all, we're required to confirm that we've read and understood...

Turelus · March 2018

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

Np' you're always helpful. It just feels like a middle finger when we already went through this, and now they just show they will force it through breaking their promise they made to us.

It might still be possible to opt out via email, but sadly you would need to contact them and remain out of the game until that was handled.
The agreement also comes up if you attempt to access you account page FYI, as I had to agree to it last night to view mine.

Girl_Number8 · March 2018

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

They pretty much are required by law to show you this and have you agree to it.. Kinda like police officer in america must give out Miranda rights. Just scroll through it and click yes and your done. Don't even need to read it but its there for a reason just like the terms of service. Its a legal thing and its just the way it is. I doubt many players even read them they just scroll through and click yes to everything or I agree. Its there to protect you, other people and them legally. To show what rights or rules they have. Whats changed things like that, just don't worry about it and you'll be fine just say yes to everything.

It could also lock you out of some of your rights. It could be there to scam you.
People should *always* read what they sign, and read it carefully.
The problem is that most times it's too long, written in some confusing jargon, and people are not aware of the potential consequences. But that's no reason to tell people "it's ok you don't have to read it, just sign here"... I doubt there's anything in particular to fear from ZOS, but as a rule of thumb, people should read and understand - after all, we're required to confirm that we've read and understood...

It doesn't matter if you read it....You want to play you have to submit~

Girl_Number8 · March 2018

Turelus wrote: »

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

Np' you're always helpful. It just feels like a middle finger when we already went through this, and now they just show they will force it through breaking their promise they made to us.

It might still be possible to opt out via email, but sadly you would need to contact them and remain out of the game until that was handled.
The agreement also comes up if you attempt to access you account page FYI, as I had to agree to it last night to view mine.

Yes, they sadly took the option away from us.

Goshua · March 2018

Permission to advertise at you is on by default too (Account). Not sure if its a recent addition or I just wasn't paying attention the last few times I've logged in to the website.

anitajoneb17_ESO · March 2018

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

They pretty much are required by law to show you this and have you agree to it.. Kinda like police officer in america must give out Miranda rights. Just scroll through it and click yes and your done. Don't even need to read it but its there for a reason just like the terms of service. Its a legal thing and its just the way it is. I doubt many players even read them they just scroll through and click yes to everything or I agree. Its there to protect you, other people and them legally. To show what rights or rules they have. Whats changed things like that, just don't worry about it and you'll be fine just say yes to everything.

It could also lock you out of some of your rights. It could be there to scam you.
People should *always* read what they sign, and read it carefully.
The problem is that most times it's too long, written in some confusing jargon, and people are not aware of the potential consequences. But that's no reason to tell people "it's ok you don't have to read it, just sign here"... I doubt there's anything in particular to fear from ZOS, but as a rule of thumb, people should read and understand - after all, we're required to confirm that we've read and understood...

It doesn't matter if you read it....You want to play you have to submit~

It does matter... and it does matter too to know what the words mean. Even if you are "forced" to sign.
I for instance don't have anything to fear from data being sold from FaceBook or Google usage, since I don't use the former at all, and I carefully removed anything Google-related from my PC. Even if you don't get that far, there ARE opt-out options, cookie-blocking add-ons and various tools for privacy protection that people can use.
People should stop being so passive, imho.

Turelus · March 2018

Goshua wrote: »

Permission to advertise at you is on by default too (Account). Not sure if its a recent addition or I just wasn't paying attention the last few times I've logged in to the website.

It's been there for a while now. There was a huge uproar when it was added or when it first became noticed and they changed their privacy policy the last time.
I remember speaking to Jess about it before and she said it was just for them to send you Zenimax Media advertising, so basically stuff to do with TES: Legends, Bethesda games etc.
I know if you want to take part in the free cards offers for TES: Legends you have to have it enabled to get the emails about it.

Ancientwolf · March 2018

Newsflash. If you are on a computer with personal data on it, and connect to the internet, chances are your data is being exchanged far more often than you think, regardless of your permission. "Thats Illegal!" <--- Yeah that works everywhere. Its been this way for a very long time.

Even if you read early TOS's for most services, including games they typically include a provision of altering and changing it without notice or consent. Nothing new, nothing out of the ordinary.

swippy · March 2018

Thevampirenight wrote: »

just don't worry about it and you'll be fine just say yes to everything.

never take legal advice from a bloodsucker (unless it's passed the Bar!)

knaveofengland · March 2018

most companys including councils , govements, colleges , universitys they all can sell this information on , and most of them do .because of the facebook saga this might change in some govements , will make them re-word the aggrements so you know what you are agreeing to .

where do you think we get the junk mail from and phone calls , you know the drill if you can please take a few minutes to fill in this questionare .

to answer your question its most probally to sell the information on , so companys can target you to sell you something .

SugaComa · March 2018

In may this year the law changes around information companies can hold about you, you also now have the right to be "forgotten" in some cases meaning you can submit a request and they must delete all data they hold on you that is not a legal requirement to store

You can also ask to see all data they hold on you and it now has to be supplied free with in 30 days and no details about you can be kept on file with out your express permission

This last part will require you to agree to a new privacy policy granting them the right to store your details, name birthdate and email address are on the system ... As well as your gaming tag ... Meaning they have a list of information that if stolen could let hackers steal your account and maybe other accounts ... While they're not safe from prosecution if this information is stolen they can be prosecuted if it was found they held it with out you agreeing to it

Google "GDPR"

SugaComa · March 2018

knaveofengland wrote: »

most companys including councils , govements, colleges , universitys they all can sell this information on , and most of them do .because of the facebook saga this might change in some govements , will make them re-word the aggrements so you know what you are agreeing to .

where do you think we get the junk mail from and phone calls , you know the drill if you can please take a few minutes to fill in this questionare .

to answer your question its most probally to sell the information on , so companys can target you to sell you something .

You're totally wrong on this ... Its due to a new law to prevent such things

No company can sell on your details as only the company with your details that you've exoressly permitted can store your info ... Other companies can be hit by new fines for these breaches it would not be cost effective to obtain details this way anymore

I'm slowly getting less spam calls as cold callers now apologise and say I'll remove your details with out having to ask ... Though some have tried to ask permission to keep and I've asked fur the company name then declined

dennissomb16_ESO · March 2018

Go to your ESO account. You will find that the new privacy policy has flagged your account automatically to share your email with third part websites so they can send you "ESO type" emails/information. Essentially ESO has just automatically offered to sell all players emails. You can turn it off but I am guessing Zenimax is counting on the average person to not even notice

Turelus · March 2018

dennissomb16_ESO wrote: »

Go to your ESO account. You will find that the new privacy policy has flagged your account automatically to share your email with third part websites so they can send you "ESO type" emails/information. Essentially ESO has just automatically offered to sell all players emails. You can turn it off but I am guessing Zenimax is counting on the average person to not even notice

This was a change a while ago, and it was so Bethesda could send promotions for their games. Like the TES Legends offers for ESO+ members.

The changes yesterday were only for EU and likely due to major changes in EU law coming later in the year.

Cpt_Teemo · March 2018

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

They pretty much are required by law to show you this and have you agree to it.. Kinda like police officer in america must give out Miranda rights. Just scroll through it and click yes and your done. Don't even need to read it but its there for a reason just like the terms of service. Its a legal thing and its just the way it is. I doubt many players even read them they just scroll through and click yes to everything or I agree. Its there to protect you, other people and them legally. To show what rights or rules they have. Whats changed things like that, just don't worry about it and you'll be fine just say yes to everything.

It could also lock you out of some of your rights. It could be there to scam you.
People should *always* read what they sign, and read it carefully.
The problem is that most times it's too long, written in some confusing jargon, and people are not aware of the potential consequences. But that's no reason to tell people "it's ok you don't have to read it, just sign here"... I doubt there's anything in particular to fear from ZOS, but as a rule of thumb, people should read and understand - after all, we're required to confirm that we've read and understood...

We need Hermaeus Mora knower of everything powers

aubrey.baconb16_ESO · March 2018

GDPR.

Zagnut123Zagnut123 · March 2018

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

This came up before, and we were given an option but now why do you force us into something we already said no to? I just don't really see why our friends and Facebook info is relevant to you.

This is probably to do with NDA for the upcoming pts in the next month they did the same thing last year and maybe if u take the same steps you did last time they might not make you agreeto there legal document. I also don't understand what any of this has to do with Facebook zeni doesn't ask for that info during account creation so I'm confused.