Hi, I'm the Vestige.

I'm the powerful Mage/Thief/Warrior who smashed the Worm Cult to bits, took out the trash with expelled former Psijic student Mannimarco, defeated Molag Bal in single combat, Champion of Meridia, Hero of the Pact, Dominion and Covenant thanks to Meridia covering for me, Senior Officer in my Alliance Army, Liberator of the Dragonfire Cathedral, Hero of Wrothgar, friends with various unsavory sorts who are better left unsaid, Champion of Vivec, Savior of Morrowind, and the person who just kicked Nocturnal's and Clavicus Vile's butts when they tried to takeover the Clockwork City.

I don't know who all therest of you Soul-Shriven are, but I see no reason why the Psijic Order wouldn't want me to join.

Yes, but no more far-fetched than that we're all Dark Brotherhood Silencers, so I'm gonna let it slide.

Stop it. You’re breaking my immersion.

Edit: the entire premise of the game is based on suspension of disbelief. Why is this an issue now?!

SydneyGrey wrote: »

It doesn't make sense that assassination is such a popular pasttime in Tamriel, either, or that we're all the Vestige.
(Gah! I want to punch the Prophet every time he calls me "Vestige"!)

Well thats a dragonbreak for you.

SydneyGrey wrote: »

It doesn't make sense that assassination is such a popular pasttime in Tamriel, either, or that we're all the Vestige.
(Gah! I want to punch the Prophet every time he calls me "Vestige"!)

The Prophet wants my Dark Brotherhood Silencer to be the Vestige. My Silencer is hoping that Abnur Tharn or Mannimarco puts out a Black Sacrament on the fool.

MMO's don't have the same immersion as single player games. We're all destroyers of Molag Bal, Champions of the Fighters Guild and so on, so why is this any different?

Well Varens actions at the dragonfires broke time itself. Their actions and the time travel magics being used by npcs and the vestige in quests most likely cause changes in the timeline and my best guess shattered time further breaking up time even more the longer the dragonbreak goes on . There is one quest that was found in a ruin during the Azuras Oracles quest. Involves a loop in time, where everything repeats itself. There is thousands of timelines, thousands of vestiges everyone that had their soul stolen do to Mannimarco and they all go out and defeat him and the big bad behind it all.

Also consider the changes to the timeline caused by every vestiage that made the wrong move in changing the past thousands of times over. This also causing strain on time because its done in a dragonbreak. Pretty much all the soulless ones are the time break. Everyone is the hero and not the hero. This Dragonbreak is so intense Imagine thats what the Psijics are trying to fix. If it could ever be fixed. Its an event I imagine just as intense as Michael Kirkblades Coda. This dragonbreak might only ever be fixed by the coming of Talos where he could reverse the timebreak and prevent Varen from ever existing. Thus rewriting time and its possibly the reason why Vivec gives him the walking brass god because he knew talos could achieve CHIM and use the walking brass to wipe out the source of the dragonbreak.

Well, every single player is a conqueror of Molag Bal and savior of Tamriel, sooooo......

Knowledge wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

However, just a reminder about the OP's MO.

The OP likes to post controversial topics, fervently debating his side, and reporting all off-topic and baiting comments. So if you want your post to hang around, make it relevant, but don't imagine this is a genuine debate.

So while from a lore perspective, I think the Psijic Order would have to be pretty desperate to let my (non-Vestige) Dark Brotherhood assassin in the door, my assassin does have the excellent credentials of "Oh, hey I just foiled Nocturnal's plot in the Clockwork City and saved Sotha Sil since Divayth Fyr wanted a dangerously competent body guard like Dark Brotherhood Silencer. I foiled one plot, I'll do it again. Since you obviously aren't capable of doing it yourself, get out of the way and let me handle it. With my knife. Hail Sithis."

If you can't think of a reason for the Psijic Order to admit your character and the lore is really that important to you, either don't do those quests or use your imagination.

So the OP (me) reports off-topic and baiting comments. I see no reason why that's a bad thing?

Also, please stay on topic or I will report you.

Psijic order is too powerful for everyone to join.

As I said, make sure comments are relevant...because as funny as it is when your threads derail, its also not great forum behavior. Even though you don't actually hold a genuine debate on the topic. You've got your opinion, everyone else is wrong, I know how this goes.

But since I like to actually discuss the topic: I don't know about your character line-up, but my characters are pretty darned high on the power scale. I mean, most players regularly destroy major daedric minions and powerful enemies like Valkyn Skoria, Barbas, dens of undead pirates (Pirates of the Caribbean, what?), Maomer Invasions, Molag Kena, and many others. If someone's done the Main Quest, they've defeated Mannimarco (something the Psijic Order didn't do) and defeated a Daedric Prince.

But what about brand new characters?

Well, brand new characters all have the potential to do all that world-shaking powerful stuff. Its not inconceivable that an Order as powerful as the Psijic Order can tell that you have the potential to do all that. Hey, wait a second, that happens in Skyrim! A guy from the Psijic Order shows up and is like "Hey, you! You're about to screw up massively, unearth the Eye, and its your job to fix it!" And you do and you save the world and all is good. So we've even got lore support from previous games for the Psijic Order grabbing some random guy (who could very well skip the main quest entirely and thus not be dragonborn yet), purely on potential that depending on the playthrough may not be realized.

But you don't join the Psijic Order in Skyrim! Its not the same!

You get to Archmage instead, though why you'd want to be Archmage of the College of the coldest, bleakest city in Skyrim when you could have been like "Take me to your enchanted isle of summer!" is beyond me. I don't like the cold.

So its entirely likely and even supported by Skyrim that the Psijic Order grabs people based on their potential, and I assume that charactes who join the Psijic Order in Summerset Isles will in fact live up to that potential (barring being deleted half-way through).

There you go. Too powerful? Not so. The Psijic Order has demonstrated the ability to see the potential future actions of heroes and give them the hints and tools they need to succeed. Any character joining the Psijic Order in the new expansion fits that bill and presumably reaches that potential.

Knowledge wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

However, just a reminder about the OP's MO.

The OP likes to post controversial topics, fervently debating his side, and reporting all off-topic and baiting comments. So if you want your post to hang around, make it relevant, but don't imagine this is a genuine debate.

So while from a lore perspective, I think the Psijic Order would have to be pretty desperate to let my (non-Vestige) Dark Brotherhood assassin in the door, my assassin does have the excellent credentials of "Oh, hey I just foiled Nocturnal's plot in the Clockwork City and saved Sotha Sil since Divayth Fyr wanted a dangerously competent body guard like Dark Brotherhood Silencer. I foiled one plot, I'll do it again. Since you obviously aren't capable of doing it yourself, get out of the way and let me handle it. With my knife. Hail Sithis."

If you can't think of a reason for the Psijic Order to admit your character and the lore is really that important to you, either don't do those quests or use your imagination.

So the OP (me) reports off-topic and baiting comments. I see no reason why that's a bad thing?

Also, please stay on topic or I will report you.

Psijic order is too powerful for everyone to join.

He expressed his opinion. You have a problem with that?

Yamenstein wrote: »

How the moderators themselves haven't changed your name.

You play as the vestige. There is only one. The game is set in an MMO environment. But story wise there is one of us, so one of us are joining the Psijic order.

Do you think that all of the millions of players defeated Molag Bal multiple times over the same exact way following the same path and interacting with the same characters asking the same question? No it's the single player story, and one vestige did that.

Now I'm imagining the Psijic Order's offices flooding with applications for entrance all touting their titles, Molag Bal pleading for mercy under a tidal wave of soul-shriven, and Barbas, Clavicus Vile, and Nocturnal pleading "Look, the last guy just got done beating me, can't I have just a short break before you beat me up again?! Seriously, i just wanted the Clockwork City, you don't have to ALL beat me up for it!"

Or yeah, there's only one Vestige. I really pity the universe where my Silencer is the Vestige.

Its an MMO, so we all co-exist. But we also don't all do ALL the things in the same universe. Or else quest choices would have no meaning and when that poor guy is like "I like to buy that hero who saved the King of Daggerfall a drink!" he'd go bankrupt, buying a drink for everyone in game instead of buying one hero a drink.

Forget the Psijic Order. Think about that guy. Save his pocketbook. There's only one in-game hero and that's your active character. The rest of us are just your partners, your enemies, and background annoyances who occasionally dance or throw mudballs.

Knowledge continues to be a fairly.. odd name for you.

If you are looking for an overarching story in an MMO where events match a perception of Lore, you are fondling the wrong tree.
You shouldn't fondle any trees, actually.

Realistically, only one "Vestige" could have existed and done these feats the "Vestige" has done.
Even if every character runs around as a Psijic-aided god-slaying mage-vampire-templar-whatever, there is still only one "Vestige" in the grand story of the game.

Kinda helps avoid lore conflicts when you understand that the game's Play Model is the Non-Canon part of the story.

For the love of Vaermina, would you please get a massive hand cramp next time you try to post? You really are the single most narrow-minded and unimaginative soul on these entire forums.

How many Vestiges do you think there are? Every NPC sees each and every one of us players as just one person. The Psijic order isn't adding thousands of people to their order. As far as they see it, they're only adding one.

Whether or not you've got a problem with that is your own business. If you can't see past it for whatever reason, well that's on you.