Pessimistic view on the new update

Skander · March 2018

Skill line (compelte with ultimate) only available to whom buys the expansion

Jewlery traits and crafting (that I hope are not bind to the expansion)

what do you think? I really don't like where this is going, i hope those aren't ridicolously op skills.

jedtb16_ESO · March 2018

yup, your post is pessimistic.

Marabornwingrion · March 2018

I'm sure crafting tables for jewelery can be purchased with writ vouchers or for gold in guild stores, just like transmutation station which is also locked behind paywall (cwc).

Lynx7386 · March 2018

Face it, new content and the mechanics that come with it are always going to cost money to develop. This is a capitalistic society we live in, you're a consumer, you dont get everything you want for free.

anitajoneb17_ESO · March 2018

In spite of many people here pretending the contrary, ZOS has always been pretty fair with regards to avoiding "P2W" policies, therefore I'm confident on that one. Wanna play the content ? Pay. Just wanna enjoy new mechanics ? Free.

Robo_Hobo · March 2018

Yes, both of them will be tied to the new chapter, nothing wrong with that.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · March 2018

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Face it, new content and the mechanics that come with it are always going to cost money to develop. This is a capitalistic society we live in, you're a consumer, you dont get everything you want for free.

You also dont get everything you want even when you pay for it.

pdebie64b16_ESO · March 2018

Skander wrote: »

Skill line (compelte with ultimate) only available to whom buys the expansion

Jewlery traits and crafting (that I hope are not bind to the expansion)

what do you think? I really don't like where this is going, i hope those aren't ridicolously op skills.

What did you expect, get it all for free?

If you buy a new car do you also expect free gasoline for the rest of the cars life?

Leandor · March 2018

There's Godwin's law for online discussions. It appears as if ESO now has Paytowin's law established. Any kind of evolution will be considered p2w within 7 posts.

VaranisArano · March 2018

Warden! A whole new class (with 3 Ultimates, no less!) only available to those who buy the expansion.

Don't you think you're a little late to be worrying about this?

rhapsodious · March 2018

I see we're going for 100% uptime on Major Kneejerk.

Please at least wait until PTS before deciding whether something is OP. A brief description of an ability/feature surrounded by hype marketing is not an accurate measure of how it'll actually end up in the game.

Skander · March 2018

pdebie64b16_ESO wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

Skill line (compelte with ultimate) only available to whom buys the expansion

Jewlery traits and crafting (that I hope are not bind to the expansion)

what do you think? I really don't like where this is going, i hope those aren't ridicolously op skills.

What did you expect, get it all for free?

If you buy a new car do you also expect free gasoline for the rest of the cars life?

I expect that the skill line won't be brainlessly powerful ruining the fragile balance of the game.

joaaocaampos · March 2018

Jewelcrafting needs to be part of the free update.

Psijic Order = DLC
Spellcrafting = Chapter

And not the other way around

Troneon · March 2018

It will be OP like Warden was on test servers....get people to buy the stuff....

Then ...

NERF! First few weeks on launch...

lol

Repeat and Rinse.

We are ZO$

ArchMikem · March 2018

They can't bind a crafting skill tree to a Chapter. Alongside the Chapter there will be a free base game update, which Jewelry Crafting will be a part of.

And the Psijic Skill Tree? Oh well. Dark Brotherhood and Thieve's Guild are just the same and no one complains about those.

Joshuagm1991 · March 2018

so what do you suggest then? If not new abilities for fear of them being overpowered. Why even play the game? Kind of tired of looking at this nonsense. I'm super excited to play with time magic. If it's OP then hopefully it's fixed. Don't let this game be mundane.

Skander · March 2018

Troneon wrote: »

It will be OP like Warden was on test servers....get people to buy the stuff....

Then ...

NERF! First few weeks on launch...

lol

Repeat and Rinse.

We are ZO$

Warden hasn't been nerfed yet. And stam variant definitly should

Okiir · March 2018

ArchMikem wrote: »

They can't bind a crafting skill tree [Jewelry Crafting] to a Chapter.

You underestimate Zenimax

ADarklore · March 2018

Interesting how all the 'P2W' and 'OP' threads are starting... remember the same about Warden... and look what happened, the class is anything but 'P2W' or even close to being 'OP'. This has been the first MMO that I've ever known that released a new class that was so far below expectations and hype it wasn't funny. Most release new classes that are a bit OP for a few weeks and THEN get nerfed... but no, ZOS nerfed it before it even arrived... same will probably happen here as well.

Troneon · March 2018

Skander wrote: »

Troneon wrote: »

It will be OP like Warden was on test servers....get people to buy the stuff....

Then ...

NERF! First few weeks on launch...

lol

Repeat and Rinse.

We are ZO$

Warden hasn't been nerfed yet. And stam variant definitly should

It was OP on test PTU servers, it got nerfed before launch once everyone had already pre ordered...

Tats · March 2018

Don't all other mmo's lock most of their new content behind the expansion? How would that be p2w?

geonsocal · March 2018

Skander wrote: »

Skill line (compelte with ultimate) only available to whom buys the expansion

Jewlery traits and crafting (that I hope are not bind to the expansion)

what do you think? I really don't like where this is going, i hope those aren't ridicolously op skills.

LittlePinkDot · March 2018

ArchMikem wrote: »

They can't bind a crafting skill tree to a Chapter. Alongside the Chapter there will be a free base game update, which Jewelry Crafting will be a part of.

And the Psijic Skill Tree? Oh well. Dark Brotherhood and Thieve's Guild are just the same and no one complains about those.

Some of those skills in the psijjic line sound like game changers for pvp.. it sounds like the answer to nightblades cloak and ganking.
Also meditate allows you to renew all your resources which some classes have a hard time sustaining since the morrowind sustain nerf. Especially in no CP BG.
For pvp it sorta will be like p2w if you need that skill tree to compete in cyrodiil or BGs.

thedude33 · March 2018

Skander wrote: »

Skill line (compelte with ultimate) only available to whom buys the expansion

Jewlery traits and crafting (that I hope are not bind to the expansion)

what do you think? I really don't like where this is going, i hope those aren't ridicolously op skills.

The good news ? You just won 10 million dollars. ...I'm sure you would find a way to complain about that ie omg ! I had to pay a big chunk to taxes.

Complainers gotta complain

Skander · March 2018

ADarklore wrote: »

Interesting how all the 'P2W' and 'OP' threads are starting... remember the same about Warden... and look what happened, the class is anything but 'P2W' or even close to being 'OP'. This has been the first MMO that I've ever known that released a new class that was so far below expectations and hype it wasn't funny. Most release new classes that are a bit OP for a few weeks and THEN get nerfed... but no, ZOS nerfed it before it even arrived... same will probably happen here as well.

Warden is pretty much the best pvp class. Nothing comes near it

klowdy1 · March 2018

Now THIS is a fresh new look at things in this game. This is a buy to play game, subject to expansions that cost money. If you want new, fun things, pay for them like people used to do without a thought of entitlement to get everything for free. You paid for the original game, and got years of play out of it. If you want to continue moving forward after all that content is done, you have to buy the next chapter. If you think the game runs poorly now, imagine if they removed crown crates, and made all chapter free. People just don't think ahead when complaining.

Izaki · March 2018

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

In spite of many people here pretending the contrary, ZOS has always been pretty fair with regards to avoiding "P2W" policies, therefore I'm confident on that one. Wanna play the content ? Pay. Just wanna enjoy new mechanics ? Free.

^ This.

HeroOfNone · March 2018

My main concern has been the narrowing down of best in slot sets will become much more focused, since crafted sets do pretty well already and more world dropped sets will lose value. going to stock up on crafting mats now.

ParaNostram · March 2018

Most MMOs require you to have the latest content to do literally anything worth doing. Far as I see it, this is still less pay to win than standard MMOs.

Thunderknuckles · March 2018

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Face it, new content and the mechanics that come with it are always going to cost money to develop. This is a capitalistic society we live in, you're a consumer, you dont get everything you want for free.

And if we were a communist society we wouldn't be getting any games at all, save maybe ye olde chess.

Thunderknuckles · March 2018

Tats wrote: »

Don't all other mmo's lock most of their new content behind the expansion? How would that be p2w?

Because, like most other terms and phrases out there today, a heaping number of people don't actually know what they mean. They just toss'em around without a thought.