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Rewards of the Worthy - Transmutation Geode Problems
VaranisArano
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In game Report Ticket #171101-003504
There's a fairly serious bug with the way PVP players can gain transmutation stones through the Rewards of the Worthy. As intended, players are supposed to receive a Gold Uncracked Transmutation Geode from the first Reward of the Worthy gained on that character, and from random Rewards of the Worthy after that. I've seen this work - my EP MagDK earned 4 rewards of the worthy, got her geode from the first reward and another from the fourth.
Its also possible and intended for players to PVP on multiple characters, receiving a gold uncracked transmutation geode on each of the first rewards of the worthy earned on that character. A skilled PVP could theoretically earn 8-14 such first rewards of the worthy geodes, provided the player was skilled enough to get 20k AP on each character to earn the reward of the worthy.
The bug here is that Reward of the Worthy mails are not locked to the character who gains the AP to earn them as long as the player does not open the mail on the character. If the player logs on to another character and opens the mail, the Reward of the Worthy grants that other character a Gold Uncracked Transmutation Geode as though it were the first reward of the worthy that character earned for the day - even if the character never earned any AP.
Since this came up on a thread about gaining transmutation stones and I hate to report things on hearsay, I tested it out tonight. ZOS, I'll be upfront about exactly how many extra stones I gained, and you are more than welcome to take whatever disciplinary action you deem necessary for me doing this exploit for testing purposes, including removing the stones I gained.
The Test: I earned 5 Rewards of the Worthy mails on my main PVP toon, an EP MagDK. Thank you DC and AD for some awesome fights in the Chalman -> Bleakers ->Aleswell corridor! I only opened the first mail with this character and did not open the other 4 mails.
Expected results: My EP MagDK should have received a gold uncracked transmutation geode. Mails opened by other characters should be normal rewards of the worthy, though with a chance to obtain an uncracked geode.
Actual Results
First Mail - EP MagDK who earned the Rewards - Gold Uncracked Geode = 4 stones
Second Mail - DC Stam Sorc who hasn't been in Cyrodiil since she got caltrops - Gold Uncracked Geode = 15 stones
Third Mail - EP Warden who's never been to Cyrodiil - Gold Uncracked Geode = 4 stones
Fourth Mail - AD MagSorc who hasn't PVPed in months - Gold Uncracked Geode = 5 stones
Fifth Mail - Level 5 EP Nightblade who can't even go to Cyrodiil yet - Gold Uncracked Geode = 4 stones
Total Results - 5 Gold Uncracked Geodes - 32 stones
Conclusion: Players who PVP with one character are able to open Rewards of the Worthy on characters other than the character than earned the AP, allowing the player to gain the benefit of it being the "first reward of the worthy" and get the gold uncracked transmutation geodes assigned to the first reward. I gained 5 Rewards of the Worthy on one character, opened them on five different characters including one that is too low level to take into Cyrodiil and got the full benefits as if I had earned 20k AP with each of them.
Now, its my opinion that this is an exploit, since it bypasses the mechanic which is intended to limit the gold transmutation geodes to the first reward of the worthy and only randomly afterward earned by a single character. From my testing, I received the benefits of the first rewards of the worthy on characters that I had not earned the AP on to receive the reward.
To ZOS - this seems a fairly serious bug that compromises some of the limits you've set on player abilities to farm transmutation stones. Again, you are more than welcome to remove the extra stones I gained from testing this bug or whatever disciplinary action you deem necessary.
To PVP players - Have some respect for your own honor and skill. If you don't have the skill to gain 20K AP on a character, don't open a reward of the worthy on that character like you earned the AP to get that geode.
There's a fairly serious bug with the way PVP players can gain transmutation stones through the Rewards of the Worthy. As intended, players are supposed to receive a Gold Uncracked Transmutation Geode from the first Reward of the Worthy gained on that character, and from random Rewards of the Worthy after that. I've seen this work - my EP MagDK earned 4 rewards of the worthy, got her geode from the first reward and another from the fourth.
Its also possible and intended for players to PVP on multiple characters, receiving a gold uncracked transmutation geode on each of the first rewards of the worthy earned on that character. A skilled PVP could theoretically earn 8-14 such first rewards of the worthy geodes, provided the player was skilled enough to get 20k AP on each character to earn the reward of the worthy.
The bug here is that Reward of the Worthy mails are not locked to the character who gains the AP to earn them as long as the player does not open the mail on the character. If the player logs on to another character and opens the mail, the Reward of the Worthy grants that other character a Gold Uncracked Transmutation Geode as though it were the first reward of the worthy that character earned for the day - even if the character never earned any AP.
Since this came up on a thread about gaining transmutation stones and I hate to report things on hearsay, I tested it out tonight. ZOS, I'll be upfront about exactly how many extra stones I gained, and you are more than welcome to take whatever disciplinary action you deem necessary for me doing this exploit for testing purposes, including removing the stones I gained.
The Test: I earned 5 Rewards of the Worthy mails on my main PVP toon, an EP MagDK. Thank you DC and AD for some awesome fights in the Chalman -> Bleakers ->Aleswell corridor! I only opened the first mail with this character and did not open the other 4 mails.
Expected results: My EP MagDK should have received a gold uncracked transmutation geode. Mails opened by other characters should be normal rewards of the worthy, though with a chance to obtain an uncracked geode.
Actual Results
First Mail - EP MagDK who earned the Rewards - Gold Uncracked Geode = 4 stones
Second Mail - DC Stam Sorc who hasn't been in Cyrodiil since she got caltrops - Gold Uncracked Geode = 15 stones
Third Mail - EP Warden who's never been to Cyrodiil - Gold Uncracked Geode = 4 stones
Fourth Mail - AD MagSorc who hasn't PVPed in months - Gold Uncracked Geode = 5 stones
Fifth Mail - Level 5 EP Nightblade who can't even go to Cyrodiil yet - Gold Uncracked Geode = 4 stones
Total Results - 5 Gold Uncracked Geodes - 32 stones
Conclusion: Players who PVP with one character are able to open Rewards of the Worthy on characters other than the character than earned the AP, allowing the player to gain the benefit of it being the "first reward of the worthy" and get the gold uncracked transmutation geodes assigned to the first reward. I gained 5 Rewards of the Worthy on one character, opened them on five different characters including one that is too low level to take into Cyrodiil and got the full benefits as if I had earned 20k AP with each of them.
Now, its my opinion that this is an exploit, since it bypasses the mechanic which is intended to limit the gold transmutation geodes to the first reward of the worthy and only randomly afterward earned by a single character. From my testing, I received the benefits of the first rewards of the worthy on characters that I had not earned the AP on to receive the reward.
To ZOS - this seems a fairly serious bug that compromises some of the limits you've set on player abilities to farm transmutation stones. Again, you are more than welcome to remove the extra stones I gained from testing this bug or whatever disciplinary action you deem necessary.
To PVP players - Have some respect for your own honor and skill. If you don't have the skill to gain 20K AP on a character, don't open a reward of the worthy on that character like you earned the AP to get that geode.
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✭If this bug is tied to the mail system I wonder if for example you can exploit the geode reward from daily random dungeons, for example doing a bunch of random normal/vets on one character an then opening the mails on other characters.1 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If this bug is tied to the mail system I wonder if for example you can exploit the geode reward from daily random dungeons, for example doing a bunch of random normal/vets on one character an then opening the mails on other characters.
I don't think so, because the system clearly does recognize which character you did them on and give you Premium and regular Undaunted rewards in the mail, and the geodes are only attached to the Premium mails. As far as I know, the exploit allowing people to receive more than one Premium reward daily has stayed fixed.
However, the Rewards of the Worthy (and End of Campaign Reward) mails never checked to see which character earned them. I've picked up End of Campaign Rewards on my DC toon and had her name appear on the mail, despite earning the rewards on my EP toon. However, they do check to some extent; rewards earned on a lower level toon will be that lower level no matter which character opens the mail.0 -
Almariel✭✭✭After the awesome bans against vAS Explioters... Any officcial statement or info on the rewards of the worthy - relog thing? It is still not clear if it is okay, maybe even intended, or an exploit to open the mails with different chars to get the geodes.
@ZOS_JessicaFolsom or maybe @ZOS_GinaBruno
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LukosCreyden✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I actually did this unintentionally last night. Opened one, put some stuff in my bank, then logged another character and opened another. Obviously I got another geode. Gained 20 gems in total from this. Thought it seemed a bit too easy.Struggling to find a new class to call home.Please send help.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭If they fixed it, good. Customer Support had said they were forwarding it onto another team to get it fixed.0 -
LMar✭✭✭✭✭
✭I thought this was intended? Not like you can gain more than one per character and it is a good way to gear up your alts with appropriate level gear while pvping on your mainEdited by LMar on November 11, 2017 2:06PM"If a stick of fish is a fish stick, it will stick like other fish sticks stick"
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✭✭You keep throwing the word "bug" around. Its not a bug though. Its just the way the mail system works. So while this may not be intended, it isn't a bug or an exploit since you could always receive a Rewards of the Worthy or a End of Campaign reward mail on one character but collect it on another. It does look like it might be unintended however.@ Izaki #PCEU
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✭✭✭✭✭It’s possible to get these stones from any rotw I believe so perhaps you just got extraordinarily lucky?0 -
Urza1234✭✭✭✭You keep throwing the word "bug" around. Its not a bug though. Its just the way the mail system works. So while this may not be intended, it isn't a bug or an exploit since you could always receive a Rewards of the Worthy or a End of Campaign reward mail on one character but collect it on another. It does look like it might be unintended however.
A bug is by definition anything that doesnt work as intended.0 -
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✭The patch notes say the first rewards of the worthy mail for each character no? so not sure how to interpret it. Guess we need clarification"If a stick of fish is a fish stick, it will stick like other fish sticks stick"
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0utLaw✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »In game Report Ticket #171101-003504
There's a fairly serious bug with the way PVP players can gain transmutation stones through the Rewards of the Worthy. As intended, players are supposed to receive a Gold Uncracked Transmutation Geode from the first Reward of the Worthy gained on that character, and from random Rewards of the Worthy after that. I've seen this work - my EP MagDK earned 4 rewards of the worthy, got her geode from the first reward and another from the fourth.
Its also possible and intended for players to PVP on multiple characters, receiving a gold uncracked transmutation geode on each of the first rewards of the worthy earned on that character. A skilled PVP could theoretically earn 8-14 such first rewards of the worthy geodes, provided the player was skilled enough to get 20k AP on each character to earn the reward of the worthy.
The bug here is that Reward of the Worthy mails are not locked to the character who gains the AP to earn them as long as the player does not open the mail on the character. If the player logs on to another character and opens the mail, the Reward of the Worthy grants that other character a Gold Uncracked Transmutation Geode as though it were the first reward of the worthy that character earned for the day - even if the character never earned any AP.
Since this came up on a thread about gaining transmutation stones and I hate to report things on hearsay, I tested it out tonight. ZOS, I'll be upfront about exactly how many extra stones I gained, and you are more than welcome to take whatever disciplinary action you deem necessary for me doing this exploit for testing purposes, including removing the stones I gained.
The Test: I earned 5 Rewards of the Worthy mails on my main PVP toon, an EP MagDK. Thank you DC and AD for some awesome fights in the Chalman -> Bleakers ->Aleswell corridor! I only opened the first mail with this character and did not open the other 4 mails.
Expected results: My EP MagDK should have received a gold uncracked transmutation geode. Mails opened by other characters should be normal rewards of the worthy, though with a chance to obtain an uncracked geode.
Actual Results
First Mail - EP MagDK who earned the Rewards - Gold Uncracked Geode = 4 stones
Second Mail - DC Stam Sorc who hasn't been in Cyrodiil since she got caltrops - Gold Uncracked Geode = 15 stones
Third Mail - EP Warden who's never been to Cyrodiil - Gold Uncracked Geode = 4 stones
Fourth Mail - AD MagSorc who hasn't PVPed in months - Gold Uncracked Geode = 5 stones
Fifth Mail - Level 5 EP Nightblade who can't even go to Cyrodiil yet - Gold Uncracked Geode = 4 stones
Total Results - 5 Gold Uncracked Geodes - 32 stones
Conclusion: Players who PVP with one character are able to open Rewards of the Worthy on characters other than the character than earned the AP, allowing the player to gain the benefit of it being the "first reward of the worthy" and get the gold uncracked transmutation geodes assigned to the first reward. I gained 5 Rewards of the Worthy on one character, opened them on five different characters including one that is too low level to take into Cyrodiil and got the full benefits as if I had earned 20k AP with each of them.
Now, its my opinion that this is an exploit, since it bypasses the mechanic which is intended to limit the gold transmutation geodes to the first reward of the worthy and only randomly afterward earned by a single character. From my testing, I received the benefits of the first rewards of the worthy on characters that I had not earned the AP on to receive the reward.
To ZOS - this seems a fairly serious bug that compromises some of the limits you've set on player abilities to farm transmutation stones. Again, you are more than welcome to remove the extra stones I gained from testing this bug or whatever disciplinary action you deem necessary.
To PVP players - Have some respect for your own honor and skill. If you don't have the skill to gain 20K AP on a character, don't open a reward of the worthy on that character like you earned the AP to get that geode.
Stones are capped at 200 max....so who cares??? Eventually all will be sitting with 200/200 stones. This is not a problem at all, there are so much more important things to fix in this game.
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Jamini✭✭✭✭✭To PVP players - Have some respect for your own honor and skill. If you don't have the skill to gain 20K AP on a character, don't open a reward of the worthy on that character like you earned the AP to get that geode.
Sounds like someone is really upset that PvP Players finally have something nice for a change.
Zero reason to put this on the forums. Bug reports in-game get to the developers. You just want to complain at PvP players when Rewards of the Trashbin are finally valuable.Edited by Jamini on November 11, 2017 8:23PM"Adapt. or Die."0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I am a PVP player, that's how I found it and tested it.
What's intended is that you can PVP on up to 14 characters and receive a Reward of the Worthy on each one, not that you can PVP on one character and open the rewards of the worthy on 14 different characters for max rewards.
If you aren't a good enough PVPer to get your rewards of the worthy on all your characters, get good. Don't abuse a bug in the mail system and claim its okay because "finally PVP players are getting something nice for once." I thought PVP was supposed to be about skill, right?1 -
Malibulove✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »I am a PVP player, that's how I found it and tested it.
What's intended is that you can PVP on up to 14 characters and receive a Reward of the Worthy on each one, not that you can PVP on one character and open the rewards of the worthy on 14 different characters for max rewards.
If you aren't a good enough PVPer to get your rewards of the worthy on all your characters, get good. Don't abuse a bug in the mail system and claim its okay because "finally PVP players are getting something nice for once." I thought PVP was supposed to be about skill, right?
Getting 10k AP is skill? What kind of metric are you using?
Besides for most players it's probably less about the characters themselves and more about them not wanting to re-queue into Vivec multiple times.
And at the end of the day 5 stones per mail (about what it averages to) isn't really that earth-shattering. Since it's basically 100k AP per Transmute at that point.
Is giving players access to the traits they want really that terrible? I thought that was the whole point of the transmutation process.
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VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Rewards of the Worthy drop every 20k AP, which does require at least the ability to get yourself to the right fights on the map to leech AP, if you can't otherwise earn it the traditional ways.
Whether its terrible or not enough for ZOS to fix it is for ZOS to decide. They might decide that an average of 5 stones (if that's indeed what it is over a larger sample size than my five mails) is tolerable or they might not. Its still not intended behavior based off of their announcements. Perhaps I'm strange in thinking that players shouldn't exploit a bug in the mail system to receive more rewards than they were intended, but I think not.0 -
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✭✭I have been in PVP on one character and over the last 3 days have received about 60 crystals from rewards of the worthy. If I did not get these, the rewards for the worthy would still be useless - what good is 105 gold when I have millions?
Opening them on the one character, while I don't get them in every reward, I might get 2=3 geodes in a row and go 10 without one - still random as. Have not tried opening one on another character - never occurred to me as I am happy to finally have reason to open the mails.
I'd say you are guilty of letting others know about a possible exploit - but I bet if I leave my rewards mail in the mail and open one on each of my 12 other characters I might be deemed in breach of the TOS.Australian on PS4 NA server.
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✭✭✭✭✭disintegr8 wrote: »I'd say you are guilty of letting others know about a possible exploit - but I bet if I leave my rewards mail in the mail and open one on each of my 12 other characters I might be deemed in breach of the TOS.
So, maybe, only open your rewards of the worthy on the character who earned them?
ZOS knows about this thread, since I included it on the email chain I had with Support since it had a more detailed version than the bug reports I sent in. If they want to remove it for talking about a bug that can be exploited, they are welcome and have the capability to do so at any time.
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its not a question of skillVaranisArano wrote: »To PVP players - Have some respect for your own honor and skill. If you don't have the skill to gain 20K AP on a character, don't open a reward of the worthy on that character like you earned the AP to get that geode.
its question of time and... worth
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✭I'd like to know this too, because generally my PVP toon isn't a crafter, and has limited inventory space too - so I don't generally collect my mail on him. I tend to just grab them on my crafter so I can break the stuff down and get the style stones (which are far more precious to me).
The crystals don't worry me so much to be honest. Those gold geodes only usually give 4 crystals anyways. It's easier for me to do a few normal trials on each of my toons to get the guaranteed 5 per run... takes about 10 minutes to do the likes of Hel Ra or AA... thats 30 crystals per hour, and far quicker than PVP even if you had all your toons gaining 20k AP each.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Nice to know this is getting fixed, ZOS!
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/388819/pts-patch-notes-v3-3-0/p1
"Rewards for the Worthy mails now only grant a guaranteed Transmutation Geode once per day per account.
Previously, they would give a guaranteed Transmutation Geode once per day per character.
The chance to get Transmutation Geodes from additional mails is unchanged."0 -
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As I've been receiving various numbers of geodes from Rewards, decided to test this today, along with my friend. We gathered several mails during last 2 days, did not opened it until today's evening. We did it before entering Cyro with any char, simply logging to one toon, opening random mail with Reward, relog to next, repeat till all chars opened one mail each.VaranisArano wrote: »Nice to know this is getting fixed, ZOS!
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/388819/pts-patch-notes-v3-3-0/p1
"Rewards for the Worthy mails now only grant a guaranteed Transmutation Geode once per day per account.
Previously, they would give a guaranteed Transmutation Geode once per day per character.
The chance to get Transmutation Geodes from additional mails is unchanged."
Results:
Myself: 15 chars, 3 Uncracked geodes received, 18 crystals total;
my friend: 11 chars, 3 Geodes, 13 crystals.
Not too many. Supposing I (instead of play PVP) would go with every char for 3 norm pledges and one norm random dungeon, can receive 60 crystals daily, spending (more or less) same time ingame.
Rewards for the Worthy should be imo more "worthy"
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✭✭✭✭✭That matches well with the numbers Ive observed from my own RotW now that the fix is live. The issue that ZOS fixed was the ability of each character to get a gold uncracked geode as long as it was the first one that character got in a 24 hr period, which was not intended. That glitch allowed me to get 5 gold geodes in 5 RotW mails across different characters, accumulating crystals far faster than ZOS intended.Edited by VaranisArano on March 20, 2018 10:53PM0
