I'd like to tell you about a special kind of player.

Vimora · March 2018

So my brother and I are kind of casual. We don't raid, we don't even do any repetitive content like dungeon farming. We kind of care about good gear, though, so we go for the best crafted options, because they are good in this game and also easy to get. We quest together and enjoy some activities like everything that has to do with stealth and thievery. My brother is from Skyrim with no MMO history, so you get why he is like this. I'm with a lot of MMO history, someone who's done it all, been to the top in other games and now can't be bothered anymore.

However, when it comes to it, we struggle to find a long-term goal in this game. We see no point in personal houses because they have little purpose. Hoarding money can be fun for a while, but it can't be the ultimate goal. Personally, I'm a fashion freak, so motif-hunting can be fun to some extent, but at some point I realized I have more styles than I would ever need, and even if I discovered something new and attractive I wouldn't bother creating an outfit with it. And my brother couldn't care less about looks.

So what we need is something attractive and purposeful that we enjoy doing. Stealing worked for us, while we still needed money for unlocks and gear. It's actually still great, I'm just finding less and less reason to justify doing it. As far as I'm concerned Morrowind was the greatest expansion ever as I love the Great Houses, their stories and styles, and the game provided a lot of reason and opportunity to go crazy on the island. Now it's over. Time for Summerset and I fear it's the end for us if the game doesn't bring something along the lines of what we need.

Like I said in the title, a special kind of player. I don't expect people to relate to this, but it would certainly help to know there are others like us. Because otherwise it may just be that we have grown out of gaming, which would be a problem.

Stovahkiin · March 2018

You’re not alone. Over the last couple years, I’ve found it very difficult to stick with the game for more than a week at a time. Especially since One Tam dropped, there just isn’t any real sense of progression or long term goal for me.

NoTimeToWait · March 2018

Vimora wrote: »

Because otherwise it may just be that we have grown out of gaming, which would be a problem.

This. But you shouldn't consider it a problem. It's not that you have grown out of gaming (which is almost impossible). It's just the gaming itself became a repetitive experience. I thought that I've grown out of gaming myself because I stopped enjoying games the way I did when I was a kid. But then Augmented Reality gaming appeared and I found myself spending tons of hours running outside doing some silly tasks in Ingress and enjoying it immensely.

So, I suppose it's the problem of the industry that lacked innovation before (I consider AR and VR a huge innovation) and not some profound changes in yourself. And if you tried every game genre and find doing the same things again and again less compelling just look for another hobby. Do something completely different, while waiting for something in the gaming industry that will peak your interest.

TarrNokk · March 2018

This game has many special kind of players which is nature of a huge mmorpg like teso.

VerboseQuips · March 2018

Maybe the new Spellcrafting system, if it is indeed added, will add a new feeling of research and progression that you seem to be striving for.

Violynne · March 2018

Vimora wrote: »

Like I said in the title, a special kind of player. I don't expect people to relate to this, but it would certainly help to know there are others like us. Because otherwise it may just be that we have grown out of gaming, which would be a problem.

I've returned to the game about a week ago, and I can't stress enough how important it is to take a break from this game.

The problem with "carrot on a stick" mechanics is exactly what you're feeling: no "end game" in sight, just constant grinding.

Finding "something to do, achieve, work for" in this game is difficult because the "end game" is the better gear as they game is set up. Vet dungeons aren't there just for the 1%. This is where you go to take what you've earned in the game playing all this time so you can start bragging about your new exploits.

If this isn't something you care to do, then it's apparent you've decided upon your "end game" and it's unlikely any new content will change this.

The carrot is going to win unless you find something unique and special to work towards. Perhaps achievement hunting? I hear fishing is one of the hardest to get in the game.

Take a break from the game. Read up on some articles or watch YT videos/live streams.

The reality is no matter how much advice you ask for, ultimately, it's going to come down to how you want to have fun.

Games stop being fun if you're viewing them as a chore.

Anotherone773 · March 2018

Stovahkiin wrote: »

You’re not alone. Over the last couple years, I’ve found it very difficult to stick with the game for more than a week at a time. Especially since One Tam dropped, there just isn’t any real sense of progression or long term goal for me.

This is my biggest problem with this game. Lack of progression. I even hold off on my upgrades of my CP 160 set and then just upgrade one piece every few days or week or so, so it feels like i have some type of progression going. Im not into the vanity stuff, though i tinker with housing a bit just because i have a creative side that sometimes needs attention. I dont really care about achieves. End game trials and such i can really take or leave. The dungeons in this game are kind of sloppy to me so i dont have a huge interest in instanced content like normally do. Cyro pvp seems like zergfest, though i might make more of an effort in it. Thieving and BoWing got old after a while. BGs arent really what i consider a BG. They are ok for some quick action and you know at most you only have to dedicate 15 minutes to it which is good if you want something instanced but dont want to roll the die on how long its going to take to complete.

Shard hunting is kind of boring tedious pain, i was doing it while questing, but i need the SP faster than i can get through all the quests and move on to next zone.

I generally find myself questing and exploring the open world, Things i normally dont do in an MMO. Quests can be a little annoying. Go here, talk to this person, go here talk to that person, etc. So i only do a few a day.

Overall, im going to get bored quickly without that sense of progression and not feeling the need to work towards anything.

Waffennacht · March 2018

End Game is:
Vet Trials
Hard mode DLC dungeons
PvP

Mid endish game is:
Vet DLC
Some Hard Mode 4 man dungeons
Trials
PvP

Mid game is
Vet dungeons
PvP

Early game is
Overland Content
Quests
PvP

Fun and RP
Houses mostly
Costumes

Economic
Theiving
Selling

Blood Sweat Tears: Grinding

Acrolas · March 2018

Guilds can help immensely with structured play and the social aspect can become its own important part of the game. 30 minute or hour long guild events give you something to log in and do and enjoy with other people.

But you're not going to find a long-term goal in an online game unless you choose to turn achievements into their own content. Which gives you numbers to track but can also be incredibly tedious.

I'm doing a little wind-down this week prior to the scheduled events coming up. But I'll still log in because I've come to really enjoy some of the characters I've made and carving out their lives, even the monotonous parts, is still entertaining.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · March 2018

Vimora wrote: »

So my brother and I are kind of casual. We don't raid, we don't even do any repetitive content like dungeon farming. We kind of care about good gear, though, so we go for the best crafted options, because they are good in this game and also easy to get. We quest together and enjoy some activities like everything that has to do with stealth and thievery. My brother is from Skyrim with no MMO history, so you get why he is like this. I'm with a lot of MMO history, someone who's done it all, been to the top in other games and now can't be bothered anymore.

However, when it comes to it, we struggle to find a long-term goal in this game. We see no point in personal houses because they have little purpose. Hoarding money can be fun for a while, but it can't be the ultimate goal. Personally, I'm a fashion freak, so motif-hunting can be fun to some extent, but at some point I realized I have more styles than I would ever need, and even if I discovered something new and attractive I wouldn't bother creating an outfit with it. And my brother couldn't care less about looks.

So what we need is something attractive and purposeful that we enjoy doing. Stealing worked for us, while we still needed money for unlocks and gear. It's actually still great, I'm just finding less and less reason to justify doing it. As far as I'm concerned Morrowind was the greatest expansion ever as I love the Great Houses, their stories and styles, and the game provided a lot of reason and opportunity to go crazy on the island. Now it's over. Time for Summerset and I fear it's the end for us if the game doesn't bring something along the lines of what we need.

Like I said in the title, a special kind of player. I don't expect people to relate to this, but it would certainly help to know there are others like us. Because otherwise it may just be that we have grown out of gaming, which would be a problem.

I feel you. I like getting gear. Im a diablo wanna be. I have the same problem here that I had with GW2. There is no gear progression, so getting new gear is pointless. So I do the other things. Steal. Collect. Quest. But really I just do it cause I’m bored. Not because I am really enjoying it. Which is probably why I spend so much time playing other games now.

Ch4mpTW · March 2018

@Vimora I too have reached this point of “realization”, OP. So no, you’re not alone. It also doesn’t help that I play this game primarily solo, and have already completed most of the goals which I have set for myself. PvP doesn’t entertain me like it once had, and my success in PvE is well-documented through the numerous trophies and busts scattered about my residences.

So what did I do...?

I choose to invest little time into ESO, and pretty much only login every here and there to decorate and or farm materials. I may go back to questing (once a new class is released)... However, I doubt it will keep me drawn to the game for a prolonged period of time.

You see... I realized that multiplayer games for the most part don’t truly satisfy me as much as single player games. I have grown bored of the “multiplayer experience”, and have also grown tired of the vast amounts of ever-growing toxicity and overall negativity within multiplayer game communities. Why sit there and tolerate someone’s bs, and ultimately have MY game experience ruined — when I can do without anyone period, and have an excellent time for hours on end?

So yes. I’ve decided to go back to my roots in a way. I’m going back, and I’m replaying all of the game franchises which kept me entertained as a child. I’m going back, and I’m playing the single-player games which interested me growing up, but that I didn’t get a chance to play. And the amount of joy I’m having is unparalleled to that of when I played ESO regularly. I’m playing games like: The Kingdom Hearts games, the Pokémon versions I never played as a kid, God of War (the PS3 HD Collection), the Mortal Kombat games (single player only), Mass Effect Trilogy, Doom, the Mega Man collections, Crash Bandicoot games, etc.

And honestly? It makes me sad that I have wasted so much time on ESO. It really does. When you pause for a moment, and put aside the bs that is known as “the multiplayer experience”, a lot of these games these days lack substance. They lack soul. They lack content. They lack “the fun factor” that a lot of single-player games have. And it’s just so interesting to me, that games that at their core are multiplayer experinces are getting dwarfed by single-player games.

josiahva · March 2018

Vimora wrote: »

So my brother and I are kind of casual. We don't raid, we don't even do any repetitive content like dungeon farming. We kind of care about good gear, though, so we go for the best crafted options, because they are good in this game and also easy to get. We quest together and enjoy some activities like everything that has to do with stealth and thievery. My brother is from Skyrim with no MMO history, so you get why he is like this. I'm with a lot of MMO history, someone who's done it all, been to the top in other games and now can't be bothered anymore.

However, when it comes to it, we struggle to find a long-term goal in this game. We see no point in personal houses because they have little purpose. Hoarding money can be fun for a while, but it can't be the ultimate goal. Personally, I'm a fashion freak, so motif-hunting can be fun to some extent, but at some point I realized I have more styles than I would ever need, and even if I discovered something new and attractive I wouldn't bother creating an outfit with it. And my brother couldn't care less about looks.

So what we need is something attractive and purposeful that we enjoy doing. Stealing worked for us, while we still needed money for unlocks and gear. It's actually still great, I'm just finding less and less reason to justify doing it. As far as I'm concerned Morrowind was the greatest expansion ever as I love the Great Houses, their stories and styles, and the game provided a lot of reason and opportunity to go crazy on the island. Now it's over. Time for Summerset and I fear it's the end for us if the game doesn't bring something along the lines of what we need.

Like I said in the title, a special kind of player. I don't expect people to relate to this, but it would certainly help to know there are others like us. Because otherwise it may just be that we have grown out of gaming, which would be a problem.

So you don't do end-game content and wonder you feel as if there is no end-game? MMOs by their nature are social games...if you take the social aspect out of ESO, all you are left with is a game that you beat...just like Skyrim, or any other open-world game...eventually you run out of quests and things to do that are not group-oriented. If this is you...simply take a break from ESO until the next expansion comes out, then come back and finish the new content, then go on a break and repeat. You are acting like any given single-player game has more single-player content...and that isn't true. Don't like dungeons? Go get the flawless conqueror achievement from vMA. That will give you a goal to work toward for awhile, or take your brother and go duo vDSA, that will be fun challenge

zyk · March 2018

I can relate. it might not be that you've grown out of gaming. It might be that gaming has grown out of you. PC gaming is completely different than it used to be. I think it's just like every other soulless entertainment industry now.

Vimora · March 2018

Great comments, guys. You got me to think more about this and I realize that the last time I really enjoyed a game was when I was in a guild with friends. Not just a few, but a lot. It reminded me of when I was a kid, I could just show up at a friend's house and they would come out and we would go on an adventure. Now, obviously the sense of exploration has long died out in every MMO, but you can still have adventures you can undertake with your friends, right?

Except what? We stick to doing the main story and regional quests with my brother and it gets old. Destroy 3 magical wards in every quest. Every disease turns people into zombies. Every questline culminates in a nearby cave or crypt where you kill a bad joke of a boss. It is really repetitive, but what else to do? I genuinely don't know. We can go and kill every delve boss in an area, but what happens is there are other players in the delves who already killed the mobs and the boss is like a total joke, it takes 1-2 hits from each of us before it dies and we are lucky if we even notice that we were fighting the actual boss. What about daily quests? Exact same, except with even more people on them.

The point is there is no adventures to go on. I miss something that allows you to call a friend and it keeps you busy for at least an hour. The only reason I still can't get the RIFT Online out of my head is because that was the only game that had these duo dungeons that nobody played but they fulfilled I guess all my wishes: they took time, they required cooperation and they were quite hard - felt like an acheivement. In ESO I don't know what to do beside questing. We did the TG/DB which was kinda nice as we were at least working towards the same goal and did the main quests together.

Shogunami · March 2018

I recognize myself in a lot of what you write. "Fashion scrolls" and farming for mats and making gold is basically what endgame is for me. It's the only thing that has anything to actually do with my character - the point of any RPG one would think. But there is little roleplay to be found here, sadly. The world doesn't react to who you are or what you do.

I'm pretty sure most people hate this.. But I'm actually beginning to miss the veteran ranks. Or let me rephrase that, I'm beginning to realize that the veteran ranks was the only real sense of progression this game had.
They gave you a reason to get better gear and to it was a clear and obtainable goal. The only downside come to think of it was that they increased the veteran ranks too often - and by too little.

Sure, there were problems with veteran ranks, but I also see the lack of .. well, meaning without them.
There is meaning, but it's not as tangible.

Smitch_59 · March 2018

The biggest flaw in ESO is that they made it an MMO.

josiahva · March 2018

Vimora wrote: »

Great comments, guys. You got me to think more about this and I realize that the last time I really enjoyed a game was when I was in a guild with friends. Not just a few, but a lot. It reminded me of when I was a kid, I could just show up at a friend's house and they would come out and we would go on an adventure. Now, obviously the sense of exploration has long died out in every MMO, but you can still have adventures you can undertake with your friends, right?

Except what? We stick to doing the main story and regional quests with my brother and it gets old. Destroy 3 magical wards in every quest. Every disease turns people into zombies. Every questline culminates in a nearby cave or crypt where you kill a bad joke of a boss. It is really repetitive, but what else to do? I genuinely don't know. We can go and kill every delve boss in an area, but what happens is there are other players in the delves who already killed the mobs and the boss is like a total joke, it takes 1-2 hits from each of us before it dies and we are lucky if we even notice that we were fighting the actual boss. What about daily quests? Exact same, except with even more people on them.

The point is there is no adventures to go on. I miss something that allows you to call a friend and it keeps you busy for at least an hour. The only reason I still can't get the RIFT Online out of my head is because that was the only game that had these duo dungeons that nobody played but they fulfilled I guess all my wishes: they took time, they required cooperation and they were quite hard - felt like an acheivement. In ESO I don't know what to do beside questing. We did the TG/DB which was kinda nice as we were at least working towards the same goal and did the main quests together.

Again, you are completely ignoring the actual challenging content in the game. You are complaining that overland content is too easy...I agree 100%...its why I don't do overland content, aside from soloing certain world bosses, there is no challenge there. Take your brother and go to vet dungeons, just the two of you...or try your hand at normal trials with just the 2 of you(though I have my doubts 2 people would be able to manage them, I suppose its possible, worst case bring in another couple people for normal trials). Or take your brother and go do small scale PvP in imperial city...2 people can have a lot of fun there without running into too many zergs....and if you get bored you can go to the center and try to duo the roaming bosses and maybe even Molag Baal

Spacemonkey · March 2018

Vimora wrote: »

So my brother and I are kind of casual. We don't raid, we don't even do any repetitive content like dungeon farming. We kind of care about good gear, though, so we go for the best crafted options, because they are good in this game and also easy to get. We quest together and enjoy some activities like everything that has to do with stealth and thievery. My brother is from Skyrim with no MMO history, so you get why he is like this. I'm with a lot of MMO history, someone who's done it all, been to the top in other games and now can't be bothered anymore.

However, when it comes to it, we struggle to find a long-term goal in this game. We see no point in personal houses because they have little purpose. Hoarding money can be fun for a while, but it can't be the ultimate goal. Personally, I'm a fashion freak, so motif-hunting can be fun to some extent, but at some point I realized I have more styles than I would ever need, and even if I discovered something new and attractive I wouldn't bother creating an outfit with it. And my brother couldn't care less about looks.

So what we need is something attractive and purposeful that we enjoy doing. Stealing worked for us, while we still needed money for unlocks and gear. It's actually still great, I'm just finding less and less reason to justify doing it. As far as I'm concerned Morrowind was the greatest expansion ever as I love the Great Houses, their stories and styles, and the game provided a lot of reason and opportunity to go crazy on the island. Now it's over. Time for Summerset and I fear it's the end for us if the game doesn't bring something along the lines of what we need.

Like I said in the title, a special kind of player. I don't expect people to relate to this, but it would certainly help to know there are others like us. Because otherwise it may just be that we have grown out of gaming, which would be a problem.

Take interest in the little things,
I've been playing since Beta and am only CP 500ish. I dont spend my time grinding, or farming, etc... I dont really enjoy the competition all that much (I'm at that can't be bothered stage - I've had my years of competitive gaming, it's behind me).
But I will spend way too much time trying to climb on things, exploring, I'll do -all- the content. And stay the f away from online guides. You can spend a few hours enjoying an area trying to figure things out and noticing things you will NEVER see if you read an online guide and just run from point A to Z. Same goes with gear.

It might sound counter intuitive, but seriously. Guides are a plague to anyone that isn't in it to be competitive. This is a game not a cooking recipe. The whole point is to be playing, not to have played. While for competitive peops guides are fast roads to the end game where they will repeat over and over the same thing, thats NOT what you want to do. So stay away from them.

Rohamad_Ali · March 2018

Try hunting achievements . All that stealing has rewards in the achievements tree .

Ch4mpTW · March 2018

josiahva wrote: »

Vimora wrote: »

So my brother and I are kind of casual. We don't raid, we don't even do any repetitive content like dungeon farming. We kind of care about good gear, though, so we go for the best crafted options, because they are good in this game and also easy to get. We quest together and enjoy some activities like everything that has to do with stealth and thievery. My brother is from Skyrim with no MMO history, so you get why he is like this. I'm with a lot of MMO history, someone who's done it all, been to the top in other games and now can't be bothered anymore.

However, when it comes to it, we struggle to find a long-term goal in this game. We see no point in personal houses because they have little purpose. Hoarding money can be fun for a while, but it can't be the ultimate goal. Personally, I'm a fashion freak, so motif-hunting can be fun to some extent, but at some point I realized I have more styles than I would ever need, and even if I discovered something new and attractive I wouldn't bother creating an outfit with it. And my brother couldn't care less about looks.

So what we need is something attractive and purposeful that we enjoy doing. Stealing worked for us, while we still needed money for unlocks and gear. It's actually still great, I'm just finding less and less reason to justify doing it. As far as I'm concerned Morrowind was the greatest expansion ever as I love the Great Houses, their stories and styles, and the game provided a lot of reason and opportunity to go crazy on the island. Now it's over. Time for Summerset and I fear it's the end for us if the game doesn't bring something along the lines of what we need.

Like I said in the title, a special kind of player. I don't expect people to relate to this, but it would certainly help to know there are others like us. Because otherwise it may just be that we have grown out of gaming, which would be a problem.

So you don't do end-game content and wonder you feel as if there is no end-game? MMOs by their nature are social games...if you take the social aspect out of ESO, all you are left with is a game that you beat...just like Skyrim, or any other open-world game...eventually you run out of quests and things to do that are not group-oriented. If this is you...simply take a break from ESO until the next expansion comes out, then come back and finish the new content, then go on a break and repeat. You are acting like any given single-player game has more single-player content...and that isn't true. Don't like dungeons? Go get the flawless conqueror achievement from vMA. That will give you a goal to work toward for awhile, or take your brother and go duo vDSA, that will be fun challenge

@josiahva Mmmm... There’s a few things that I feel are a bit wrong (and or off). But, I will focus on just the Skyrim comment you made.

Do you know why people can sit, and play Skyrim for hours upon hours on end? And then do so for years? It’s because Skyrim in and of itself is a truly open-ended masterpiece. There is no “ceiling” in that game. Seriously. And I’m not even talking about the mods that people install, and have the game develop and expand even further. I’m talking about the base game itself. Vanilla Skyrim. It is a game which has a world that literally is forever growing. Then when you incorporate things like: The Homestead DLC, The Dawnguard DLC, and The Dragonborn DLC, you have an even larger world that will grow and develop. You want to fish in Skyrim? Go for it. Want to mine? By all means. Want to get drunk, and have bar fights? Go nuts. Want to explore, and adventure? Again. The world is yours.

Skyrim is... As close to RPG perfection that I can think of. The Witcher 3 is a close second, as well as some of the Fallout games. But still, they all fall short of the masterpiece that is Skyrim. How tf Bethesda is going to surpass Skyrim, I have no idea. As that is going to be 1 extremely difficult thing to do. I mean seriously. To surpass Skyrim is something I don’t even think is possible. But hey, only time can tell.

Oh, and as a side note to Skyrim’s “epicness”. Did you know that even in the year of 2018, people are STILL regularly creating builds for Skyrim...? No bs. People are actually still coming up with builds and strategies for Skyrim. And Skyrim was released when? 2011? Almost a decade later, and the game is aging like wine. Through some mods into the mix, and the game is like a mid-40’s housewife with plastic surgery. Still beautiful, but just freshened up with new goodies to explore. Case and point, go do a Google search for a Skyrim mod called “Bruma”. Prepare to be awestruck.

TelvanniWizard · March 2018

I´d like we had trial group finder. That way I could experience new things.

Sharee · March 2018

Go for PvP. Its full of short stories written by the players themselves every day. If it wasn't for cyrodiil, i would have quit the game years ago.

Nestor · March 2018

Any game, no matter how wonderful, becomes a tedious chore after a while. The only thing you can really do is take a break. Few days, few weeks, few months, whatever it takes. I have about a dozen games on my all time great list and I probably have more than a 1000 hours in each one, some way more than that. After playing them for an extended period, I would say, I hate this game or I am so tired of this game or something to that effect and quit playing. Sure enough, 6 months later, give or take, I would fire the game up again, and wonder why I ever left. Even with games I played back in 2003/4. Heck even Daggerfall and Redguard made it back into my rotations.

So, if the game is getting you down, take a break. It's Spring Time, or Fall, depending on where you are. Nice time to be outside smelling the flower and getting bugs in your teeth. When the weather turns crappy or gets too hot, then come back inside, your games will be waiting for you. And, they won't give you any guilt trips either.

HeroUndying · March 2018

Violynne wrote: »

Vimora wrote: »

Like I said in the title, a special kind of player. I don't expect people to relate to this, but it would certainly help to know there are others like us. Because otherwise it may just be that we have grown out of gaming, which would be a problem.

I've returned to the game about a week ago, and I can't stress enough how important it is to take a break from this game.

The problem with "carrot on a stick" mechanics is exactly what you're feeling: no "end game" in sight, just constant grinding.

Finding "something to do, achieve, work for" in this game is difficult because the "end game" is the better gear as they game is set up. Vet dungeons aren't there just for the 1%. This is where you go to take what you've earned in the game playing all this time so you can start bragging about your new exploits.

If this isn't something you care to do, then it's apparent you've decided upon your "end game" and it's unlikely any new content will change this.

The carrot is going to win unless you find something unique and special to work towards. Perhaps achievement hunting? I hear fishing is one of the hardest to get in the game.

Take a break from the game. Read up on some articles or watch YT videos/live streams.

The reality is no matter how much advice you ask for, ultimately, it's going to come down to how you want to have fun.

Games stop being fun if you're viewing them as a chore.

Yup, I was in the same boat. After a few months hiatus, I just got back into the game a week or so ago. Didn't really know what to do, so I decided I was gonna finish leveling a character I had neglected and try to be more social. Well, last night I put my new tank to the test by doing Vet CoA II with some randoms and had the most fun on a game than I've had for a while. Sometimes a break from the game will do you wonders. Plus, in my case, there had been 3 DLCs released since I last played, so more content!

LegendaryMage · March 2018

ESO can never offer the same quality of PVE that Modrim can. That is not its goal. Where ESO lacks is PVP balance and performance, which would have made the game 10 times as good if they nailed it.

Since this is not going to happen in the foreseeable future, we are left with whatever is available on the table. When we take into account what is available on the table, playing it casually and taking often breaks makes perfect sense.

You're not alone.

Runefang · March 2018

To my thinking there are 3 mountains to climb in ESO:

PvE - DLC dungeon achievements and vet trial achievements/scores are the pinnacle here
PvP - There isn't really an end per se but its about winning every day
Achievements - Do every little thing there is to do in the game.

Sounds like the last one is up your alley. Do quests, see the world, go fishing. When you're not sure what to do next, open up the achievement tracker and see whats left.

Dapper Dinosaur · March 2018

So what I'm reading is, you're both RPG players looking for reasons to keep playing this game when you literally refuse to partake in the vast majority of the game due to a lack of enjoyment and/or laziness.

What's the problem here? Just stop playing or grow a pair and jump into the meat'n'potatoes of the game.

Waffennacht · March 2018

@Ch4mpTW exact opposite for me. I see absolutely no reason to back to play single player games any more.

There's no one to share any experiences with
For me, there's never been an AI created that can challenge me like another human
No one cares about what has or hasn't been accomplished in a single player game.

Now I just feel very alone when I play a single player game, I'm like why bother? I can sit and stare at anything and accomplish the same thing.

But for MMOs. There's other people. And with the invent of you tube, there's even a market for playing them. I can at least pretend there's an actual monetary side too lol

SirAndy · March 2018

Vimora wrote: »

However, when it comes to it, we struggle to find a long-term goal in this game.

I think one of the reasons why i'm still here after almost 5 years is because i don't have any goals in-game.

I just play along whenever i feel like it and i can carve out the time.

disintegr8 · March 2018

I see no reason to re-visit Skyrim - for me there was a beginning, a middle and an end. I ran through it on 3 or 4 characters and was done with the game.

Unlike others, I never played ESO to be challenged - life, work and family is challenging enough for my taste. I play games to chill and have fun - hence I have never done vet trials and vMA.

However, I have been playing ESO for over 2 and a half years and while every now and then I see there may be an end on the horizon, I am always finding something different to do or try. First I did the questing, then I did some of the achievements (i.e. Cadwells gold, Master Angler), then I went into some serious time in Cyrodiil, moved onto trading, making gold and buying houses.

I have recently joined a trialing guild and see, with their help, the possibility of seriously improving my characters with the potential for running some of this end game content, maybe even trying vMA. My friend also has the desire to have a character in each alliance reach Alliance ran 50 in PVP (which would be a lot of time and effort).

New content will come, diverting me away from the above activities, every now and then, maybe just enough to allow me to come back to the core game 'refreshed' from time to time. I think as soon as someone closes their mind to trying new/different things in the game, that is when they are getting close to the final chapter for them in ESO.

Bbsample197 · March 2018

so youre bothered because theres no end game yet you do not want to participate on the end game activities this game has to offer huh? im confused

look youre just bored, go play another game or another mmo? this game is an mmorpg its either your playing catch up on every patch and update or you just let them be and just mind your own business, this isnt any single player game where you feel like your doing something awesome since you have nothing to compare your achievements on aside from yourself