Knowledge wrote: »

OrdoHermetica wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

OrdoHermetica wrote: »

It will never happen. They would have to fundamentally change a huge portion of the economic system of the game that many players have spent literally years investing in, and that's a whole lot of work that would *** off a whole lot of players. Furthermore, they knew what they were doing when they set it up this way. It wasn't an accident; the trade system is intentionally different from other MMOs with auction house setups, and they want it to be this way. People wanting an auction house system is nothing new, but they haven't cared the last 1,000 times this topic has been brought up, and they won't care the next 1,000 times, either.

This poor dead horse is clearly one of those zombie horses from the Crown Store.

Never say never. You may be surprised.

I mean, sure. In theory, they could undo a system they've doubled down on for several years and alienate all the people who have invested huge amounts of time and money into trade guilds.

In theory, they could also decide to remove sorcerers from the game, because a lot of people really don't like them. I'd say the likelihood of either happening is about equal.

Star Wars: Galaxies NGE. Have you heard of it?

And where is SWG now?

Hint: It's gone.

The NGE was a tremendous fail, aimed at WoW players and all it accomplished was to ruin one the best MMORPGs. It's highly unlikely that any company in the industry will risk that again.

Knowledge wrote: »

WarMasterCyp wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

For most the idea behind a unified Auction House is only an argument of convenience but it's a lot more than that. With so many Guild Traders all over Tamriel the more in tune players with addons like Master Merchant can properly price items and buy low then sell high (arbitrage). The ability to easily buy low and sell high puts the casual player at a huge disadvantage. Players with large amounts of wealth can crash markets, exploit you, and profit based solely on how the system works.

There are external sites such as Tamriel Trade Center that somewhat make the Guild Stores unified in the sense of price comparison but it updates slowly and not all items are shown there. It's not an ideal solution.

I feel it is necessary to offer some sort of unified auction house similar to most MMORPGs. The role of the Guild Trader would then have to be reevaluated and perhaps removed all together if an ideal solution cannot be found.

I wanted an auction house but ESO community doesn't want it.. for some reason..

Individuals that love being able to exploit others for profit and take advantage of the poorly informed enjoy not having an auction house or guild trader search function.

You keep making these sweeping generalisations, you're going to need a LOT of new brooms. It's such a cheesy way to have a discussion, flail about with a provocative statement and then stand back and watch the results.

Actually it's pretty easy...no

In my humble opinion, the Auction House system unifies the market too much, while the current system is somewhat nice and is actually a good market.

Small example, though with the extensive use of TTC, MM and the other one I can't remember, it's getting slowly lost:

I can find the same stuff at different prices in different zones. What do I mean?
Let's say I find daedric motif in Deshaan sold for 500g. If I go in Rivenspire, I find it at 400g.
At the same time I find barbaric motif in Rivenspire for 500g, while it's up for 400g in Deshaan.
Of course it's a simple example and I hope I expressed myself good enough.

This leads to a nice market variety and a (kind of) healthy economy. But sometimes it is aggravating to run into all 5 to 10 traders in a city and checking the others around the region.

What I suggest is a Region Inventory. An NPC or Bulletin Board that lets you see what's up for sale in every guild trader of that region, and that region alone.
While it does not remove the "hassle" of checking various regions, it greatly improves search times and works along the lines of what ZOS intended.

Knowledge wrote: »

Phage wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

For most the idea behind a unified Auction House is only an argument of convenience but it's a lot more than that. With so many Guild Traders all over Tamriel the more in tune players with addons like Master Merchant can properly price items and buy low then sell high (arbitrage). The ability to easily buy low and sell high puts the casual player at a huge disadvantage. Players with large amounts of wealth can crash markets, exploit you, and profit based solely on how the system works.

There are external sites such as Tamriel Trade Center that somewhat make the Guild Stores unified in the sense of price comparison but it updates slowly and not all items are shown there. It's not an ideal solution.

I feel it is necessary to offer some sort of unified auction house similar to most MMORPGs. The role of the Guild Trader would then have to be reevaluated and perhaps removed all together if an ideal solution cannot be found.

Ok seriously, can you make an original thread? There's hundreds of auction house threads, you can search for them. There is one of these at least once a month if not more often.

Why do you keep making threads about old and tired arguments? Are you just looking for low hanging fruit to score controversy points?

This topic is one that should be discussed over and over.

Is that why you keep creating new divisive bait threads everytime your others get closed by the moderators?

Why they haven't closed/suspended your forum privelages yet is beyond me.

Wonder how long until this gets closed, too.

Kendaric wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

OrdoHermetica wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

OrdoHermetica wrote: »

It will never happen. They would have to fundamentally change a huge portion of the economic system of the game that many players have spent literally years investing in, and that's a whole lot of work that would *** off a whole lot of players. Furthermore, they knew what they were doing when they set it up this way. It wasn't an accident; the trade system is intentionally different from other MMOs with auction house setups, and they want it to be this way. People wanting an auction house system is nothing new, but they haven't cared the last 1,000 times this topic has been brought up, and they won't care the next 1,000 times, either.

This poor dead horse is clearly one of those zombie horses from the Crown Store.

Never say never. You may be surprised.

I mean, sure. In theory, they could undo a system they've doubled down on for several years and alienate all the people who have invested huge amounts of time and money into trade guilds.

In theory, they could also decide to remove sorcerers from the game, because a lot of people really don't like them. I'd say the likelihood of either happening is about equal.

Star Wars: Galaxies NGE. Have you heard of it?

And where is SWG now?

Hint: It's gone.

The NGE was a tremendous fail, aimed at WoW players and all it accomplished was to ruin one the best MMORPGs. It's highly unlikely that any company in the industry will risk that again.

Actually Swg Emu's are up ran by player fanbases now, oh and btw this system has the most exploitative, manipulative, shady things that go on every day comparing to all the other MMO's ran just through a centralized market system.

Invincible wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Look! Another Auction House thread!

Look! Another thread about about a change that 100% of the player who aren't zeni fan bois want!

4 years of begging for this, maybe we'll get it in another 4.

I have played games with global auction houses. Spent years playing the auction house in World of Warcraft. The auction house is one of the biggest mistakes that Blizzard made. Sadly, WoW helped set a horrible precedent in MMO games with their auction house. Monkey see, monkey do, has resulted in it being rubber stamped across the gaming landscape.

ZOS has done what Blizzard should have done with player commerce. Unfortunately, ZOS is not the right studio to bring innovation to market. They have a tendency to not finish what they start. When innovating, it is necessary to iterate on failures, not enshrine them. Blizzard would have finished the Guild Trader system, and it would have been awesome.

No Auction House for ESO. It would be an unmitigated disaster, from start to finish. Even the pro-Auction House people would be begging ZOS to roll back the changes.

lordrichter wrote: »

Invincible wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Look! Another Auction House thread!

Look! Another thread about about a change that 100% of the player who aren't zeni fan bois want!

4 years of begging for this, maybe we'll get it in another 4.

I have played games with global auction houses. Spent years playing the auction house in World of Warcraft. The auction house is one of the biggest mistakes that Blizzard made. Sadly, WoW helped set a horrible precedent in MMO games with their auction house. Monkey see, monkey do, has resulted in it being rubber stamped across the gaming landscape.

ZOS has done what Blizzard should have done with player commerce. Unfortunately, ZOS is not the right studio to bring innovation to market. They have a tendency to not finish what they start. When innovating, it is necessary to iterate on failures, not enshrine them. Blizzard would have finished the Guild Trader system, and it would have been awesome.

No Auction House for ESO. It would be an unmitigated disaster, from start to finish. Even the pro-Auction House people would be begging ZOS to roll back the changes.

They'res been AH's long before WoW as well,

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Invincible wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Look! Another Auction House thread!

Look! Another thread about about a change that 100% of the player who aren't zeni fan bois want!

4 years of begging for this, maybe we'll get it in another 4.

I have played games with global auction houses. Spent years playing the auction house in World of Warcraft. The auction house is one of the biggest mistakes that Blizzard made. Sadly, WoW helped set a horrible precedent in MMO games with their auction house. Monkey see, monkey do, has resulted in it being rubber stamped across the gaming landscape.

ZOS has done what Blizzard should have done with player commerce. Unfortunately, ZOS is not the right studio to bring innovation to market. They have a tendency to not finish what they start. When innovating, it is necessary to iterate on failures, not enshrine them. Blizzard would have finished the Guild Trader system, and it would have been awesome.

No Auction House for ESO. It would be an unmitigated disaster, from start to finish. Even the pro-Auction House people would be begging ZOS to roll back the changes.

well, maybe. but it ain't over yet.

the large lady singing?

As long as this is still in the ToS they can do anything they want.

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This dead horse must be getting a bit on the nose by now......

Slick_007 wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

For most the idea behind a unified Auction House is only an argument of convenience but it's a lot more than that. With so many Guild Traders all over Tamriel the more in tune players with addons like Master Merchant can properly price items and buy low then sell high (arbitrage). The ability to easily buy low and sell high puts the casual player at a huge disadvantage.

this is false since anyone, even those who dont get asked, will share price information in chat with anyone. Those players still have access to the same information. and MM only works for the guilds you are in, so 5 max.

I feel it is necessary to offer some sort of unified auction house similar to most MMORPGs. The role of the Guild Trader would then have to be reevaluated and perhaps removed all together if an ideal solution cannot be found.

So you feel its the case because you based your argument on a false premise. you feel eso should be the same as every other mmo out there.

I find players selling items well below the going price. Motifs worth thousands for 100 gold. Yellow mats dirt cheap.

it is not false. It's how people profit. You are only advocating the exploitation of the masses. It's wrong.

Knowledge wrote: »

Phage wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

For most the idea behind a unified Auction House is only an argument of convenience but it's a lot more than that. With so many Guild Traders all over Tamriel the more in tune players with addons like Master Merchant can properly price items and buy low then sell high (arbitrage). The ability to easily buy low and sell high puts the casual player at a huge disadvantage. Players with large amounts of wealth can crash markets, exploit you, and profit based solely on how the system works.

There are external sites such as Tamriel Trade Center that somewhat make the Guild Stores unified in the sense of price comparison but it updates slowly and not all items are shown there. It's not an ideal solution.

I feel it is necessary to offer some sort of unified auction house similar to most MMORPGs. The role of the Guild Trader would then have to be reevaluated and perhaps removed all together if an ideal solution cannot be found.

Ok seriously, can you make an original thread? There's hundreds of auction house threads, you can search for them. There is one of these at least once a month if not more often.

Why do you keep making threads about old and tired arguments? Are you just looking for low hanging fruit to score controversy points?

This topic is one that should be discussed over and over.

No.

It's not.

ZOS has already said they have no intention of adding anything resembling an auction house - something you'd know if you'd bothered to read past threads.

You could've made a thread asking for better store searches or something - something that ZOS would possibly be open to hearing about. You're not discussing anything here that hasn't already been done to death.

I dont think the developers are capable of that sort of thing, tbh. They might try if they could make money from it though. There is not enough pressure because the mods are close enough on PC for them to care. They may also be afraid to try because it could cause the current mods not to work anymore.

sho_nuff wrote: »

Phage wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Phage wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

For most the idea behind a unified Auction House is only an argument of convenience but it's a lot more than that. With so many Guild Traders all over Tamriel the more in tune players with addons like Master Merchant can properly price items and buy low then sell high (arbitrage). The ability to easily buy low and sell high puts the casual player at a huge disadvantage. Players with large amounts of wealth can crash markets, exploit you, and profit based solely on how the system works.

There are external sites such as Tamriel Trade Center that somewhat make the Guild Stores unified in the sense of price comparison but it updates slowly and not all items are shown there. It's not an ideal solution.

I feel it is necessary to offer some sort of unified auction house similar to most MMORPGs. The role of the Guild Trader would then have to be reevaluated and perhaps removed all together if an ideal solution cannot be found.

Ok seriously, can you make an original thread? There's hundreds of auction house threads, you can search for them. There is one of these at least once a month if not more often.

Why do you keep making threads about old and tired arguments? Are you just looking for low hanging fruit to score controversy points?

This topic is one that should be discussed over and over.

No.

It's not.

ZOS has already said they have no intention of adding anything resembling an auction house - something you'd know if you'd bothered to read past threads.

You could've made a thread asking for better store searches or something - something that ZOS would possibly be open to hearing about. You're not discussing anything here that hasn't already been done to death.

Better store searches? How about ANY store searches?

Yes, please!