Remove "common" items section from crown crates?

psychotrip · March 2018

Turelus wrote: »

Of course they need to go, but they won't.

The entire reason they're there is the reason you have a problem with them. They pad out the chances of getting something good, meaning you have to buy more to get what you want.

The believed mechanics are 1 white, 1 white/green, 1 blue+, 1 anything (can be white or green). When you buy and open crates you're only ever paying for 1 guaranteed good item, 1 change of one and and additional rare chance of a 4th (blue/purple+?) care.

And herein lies the problem with lootboxes. They’re inherently designed to give you a poor experience by stringing you along with the promise of something enjoyable.

TheShadowScout · March 2018

Yeah, yeah... we all want the "common" items removed. Heck, most of us would prefer the seasonal gambling crates gone altogether, and everything in the crown sore just up for purchase all the time.

It either of that likely to happen?

Not really.

So we just deal with what we have, not with what we wish we had.

Kuramas9tails · March 2018

ZOS loves you for your money.

Here's a useless potion. We know you can make a better one in game but here, have this one.

N00BxV1 · March 2018

Why would I want potions, poisons, food or other consumables from the store if I can craft better versions myself? The store should only contain collectibles, cosmetics, account upgrades, etc and not be watered down with this filler garbage. This is NOT a 'nerf crafting' post.

VvardeFellow · March 2018

Then it wouldn't be gambling silly.

JKorr · March 2018

Turelus wrote: »

badmojo wrote: »

The 'common' items are fine, they get converted to gems.

That conversion rate is tiny though 1 gem per card pretty much.

For ease of maths let's say $1 = 100 crowns.
1 Crate 400 Crowns, $1 per card, 1 common card = 1 gem, $1 per gem.
Apex mount 400 gems, thus $400.

And before people jump on me that was basic simple maths to make a point. I know you get more gems for duplicates and this is the most extreme case.

People did figure out that it would take about $100.00 to get enough gems to buy an apex mount. Give or take a few, depending on how many items you may already have in your collections.

badmojo wrote: »

The 'common' items are fine, they get converted to gems.

It's all the minor cosmetic items that should not be in the crates. I own 30 facial accessories! 30! You know how many I actually wanted? None. It's the same with the ugly hat collection I have going. Emotes? Garbage! These things need to be put in the crown store so people who actually use them can easily get them.

If the crate rewards were mounts, costumes, furniture, pets, motifs then I would feel less bad about buying them.

Getting 2 facial accessories and an emote in my 3 free crates really discourages me from buying any.

I would even pay more per crate if they weren't full of hats circlets and emotes.

And you have another reason why I won't bother with crates; if a hat/outfit/costume/whatever is in the crown store and I like it and decide I want it, I'll buy it. If I don't like it, I don't want it. With the crates everything that isn't a consumable is stuck in your collection and you can't get rid of it, no matter how much you dislike it and never intend to use it. While having it instantly bound forever to your account does ensure you won't get it a second time from the crates, its still stuck in your collection forever.

Ajitator · March 2018

Developers just trying to get as much out of the loot crates while they can.

There's a suit going through right now deeming loot crate systems as an unregulated gambling system tailored to minors... Which it is.

Older link but I believe this is the one that I read;

https://www.theverge.com/2017/12/19/16783136/loot-boxes-video-games-gambling-legal

and

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/wjgw3y/state-legislator-want-to-ban-loot-boxes

Will be very interesting how that turns out.

Acrolas · March 2018

"Crown Crates are a new addition to the ESO Crown Store that will give you a chance to obtain exclusive and unique pets, mounts, and more alongside useful consumable items."
https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/25871

What's the one constant in that sentence?
"Useful" is more subjective years into playing the game, but you will always receive consumables in a crate and those consumables help set the service cost at a relatively low 400 crowns.

There are statistically some crates which will have contents totaling less than 400 crowns, but the vast majority of them will meet or exceed 400 crowns of comparable value.

That's all there is to it. If you have unreasonable expectations then by all means do not use the crate service.

cgolden1a · March 2018

I think they need to be removed, i think when companies see the overwatch model they for get what makes the junk items work.
1) you earn loot boxes in games by getting experience (1 box every 3 hours at most)
2) its like a 1 or 1.99 dollar roll
3) everything can be broken down to earn every item during that time

Eso Crown Crates
1) events gets you 3 boxes everyone once in awhile
2) its like a 3 to 4 dollar roll
3) cant get the top 3 advertise mounts by crown apex, but can get all the second place prizes.

Acctually, because of fact 3 i personally don't buy crown crates or least to get a mount. I hate knowing that no matter how much i spend ill never be able to get the mount unless RNG is in my favor. While in overwatch at least i know that next month all my failed attempts will get me the item i have been trying to get.

idk · March 2018

N00BxV1 wrote: »

Why would I want potions, poisons, food or other consumables from the store if I can craft better versions myself? The store should only contain collectibles, cosmetics, account upgrades, etc and not be watered down with this filler garbage. This is NOT a 'nerf crafting' post.

I think there are others that play this game. Potions seem to sell some of they wouldn’t be in the store. That’s what really determines it.

cgolden1a wrote: »

I think they need to be removed, i think when companies see the overwatch model they for get what makes the junk items work.
1) you earn loot boxes in games by getting experience (1 box every 3 hours at most)
2) its like a 1 or 1.99 dollar roll
3) everything can be broken down to earn every item during that time

Eso Crown Crates
1) events gets you 3 boxes everyone once in awhile
2) its like a 3 to 4 dollar roll
3) cant get the top 3 advertise mounts by crown apex, but can get all the second place prizes.

Acctually, because of fact 3 i personally don't buy crown crates or least to get a mount. I hate knowing that no matter how much i spend ill never be able to get the mount unless RNG is in my favor. While in overwatch at least i know that next month all my failed attempts will get me the item i have been trying to get.

Overwatch is a very different type of game with very limited usefulness of what can be found in crates as well as a different Model needed to incentivize playing the game.

The comprison falls flat.

ghastley · March 2018

If they went, what would be the "filler" to keep the odds of the good stuff the same? Do you want blank cards that don't even give you a gem?

DaveMoeDee · March 2018

badmojo wrote: »

The 'common' items are fine, they get converted to gems.

It's all the minor cosmetic items that should not be in the crates. I own 30 facial accessories! 30! You know how many I actually wanted? None. It's the same with the ugly hat collection I have going. Emotes? Garbage! These things need to be put in the crown store so people who actually use them can easily get them.

If the crate rewards were mounts, costumes, furniture, pets, motifs then I would feel less bad about buying them.

Getting 2 facial accessories and an emote in my 3 free crates really discourages me from buying any.

I would even pay more per crate if they werent full of hats circlets and emotes.

Ditch the costumes. Garbage!

Dagoth_Rac · March 2018

You might as well go to your local casino and ask them to remove all the cards from the decks that are not aces or face cards because those other cards are just useless filler that interfere with you getting a blackjack. Those nearly worthless "filler" cards are there to give the house the exact odds/revenue it wants. And, likewise, the nearly-worthless "filler" items in Crown Crates are there to give ZOS the exact odds/revenue that it wants.

To get back to the same odds/revenue that ZOS wants, they could increase price of Crown Crates, which would likely hurt sales. Even if crates had better stuff in them, there is a threshold price beyond which many people will stop buying them, regardless of what is in them or increased odds of good stuff. Imagine if they increased the price of a lottery ticket from $1 to $10 but made it 10x easier to win lottery? Jackpots (and state revenue!) would likely go down because there are so many people who will spend $1 on a lottery ticket but not $10, regardless of odds.

Or, ZOS could reduce number of cards in each crate. Which, again, would likely hurt sales. People will assume fewer cards in crates means worse odds of getting what they want because they think each card is an individual roll. They think, "Now I only have 2 or 3 chances at item I want instead of 4 or 5!" They don't understand that each crate is an individual roll, not each card. You would not get more good stuff. Or less good stuff. Those odds would undoubtedly remain the same for each crate. You would get less filler items and thus each crate would be worth fewer crown gems, on average. So you would have to buy more Crown Crates to get enough gems to buy item of choice.

DieAlteHexe · March 2018

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

badmojo wrote: »

The 'common' items are fine, they get converted to gems.

It's all the minor cosmetic items that should not be in the crates. I own 30 facial accessories! 30! You know how many I actually wanted? None. It's the same with the ugly hat collection I have going. Emotes? Garbage! These things need to be put in the crown store so people who actually use them can easily get them.

If the crate rewards were mounts, costumes, furniture, pets, motifs then I would feel less bad about buying them.

Getting 2 facial accessories and an emote in my 3 free crates really discourages me from buying any.

I would even pay more per crate if they werent full of hats circlets and emotes.

Ditch the costumes. Garbage!

Nope. I like 'em. Sorry.

DaveMoeDee · March 2018

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

badmojo wrote: »

The 'common' items are fine, they get converted to gems.

It's all the minor cosmetic items that should not be in the crates. I own 30 facial accessories! 30! You know how many I actually wanted? None. It's the same with the ugly hat collection I have going. Emotes? Garbage! These things need to be put in the crown store so people who actually use them can easily get them.

If the crate rewards were mounts, costumes, furniture, pets, motifs then I would feel less bad about buying them.

Getting 2 facial accessories and an emote in my 3 free crates really discourages me from buying any.

I would even pay more per crate if they werent full of hats circlets and emotes.

Ditch the costumes. Garbage!

Nope. I like 'em. Sorry.

Well, I like getting useless poisons!

DieAlteHexe · March 2018

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

badmojo wrote: »

The 'common' items are fine, they get converted to gems.

It's all the minor cosmetic items that should not be in the crates. I own 30 facial accessories! 30! You know how many I actually wanted? None. It's the same with the ugly hat collection I have going. Emotes? Garbage! These things need to be put in the crown store so people who actually use them can easily get them.

If the crate rewards were mounts, costumes, furniture, pets, motifs then I would feel less bad about buying them.

Getting 2 facial accessories and an emote in my 3 free crates really discourages me from buying any.

I would even pay more per crate if they werent full of hats circlets and emotes.

Ditch the costumes. Garbage!

Nope. I like 'em. Sorry.

Well, I like getting useless poisons!

Good for you! Me? I go ahead and convert them to gems and when I get enough gems, buy something I like.

badmojo · March 2018

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

badmojo wrote: »

The 'common' items are fine, they get converted to gems.

It's all the minor cosmetic items that should not be in the crates. I own 30 facial accessories! 30! You know how many I actually wanted? None. It's the same with the ugly hat collection I have going. Emotes? Garbage! These things need to be put in the crown store so people who actually use them can easily get them.

If the crate rewards were mounts, costumes, furniture, pets, motifs then I would feel less bad about buying them.

Getting 2 facial accessories and an emote in my 3 free crates really discourages me from buying any.

I would even pay more per crate if they werent full of hats circlets and emotes.

Ditch the costumes. Garbage!

I feel that way about the pets, but people want those and costumes so they encourage people to buy crates.

I actually bought a bunch of crates trying to get costumes one season, I ended up just buying them with gems. Does anyone actually buy crates hoping to get hats, facial accessories or emotes? It's like getting a gift certificate at a slot machine, it's almost worse than getting nothing.

DieAlteHexe · March 2018

If we're ditching anything...emotes. Then again, I don't stand around at wayshrines emoting and blasting /zone so I dunno, that could be an unpopular suggestion.

idk · March 2018

@Dagoth_Rac

One of your points I mentioned earlier. If the lower level items were to be removed we would just get fewer cards. The odds of getting whatever we want would not be changed.

Basically that is why it won’t chsmge. It’s pointless to remove the common items.

Androconium · March 2018

datoliteb16_ESO wrote: »

Stop buying crown crates if you don't like it. They're basically just a scam anyway, and gambling as a rewards mechanic in a progress-based game is just a terrible concept.

Where is the progress-based game that you speak of?

MattT1988 · March 2018

So many people keep complaining about crown crates. Yet a lot of those same people keep buying them. Vote with your wallet and stop buying them if you don’t like them.

dsalter · March 2018

some interesting reasoning so far... some questionable, others troll like but not fully what i expected

TelvanniWizard · March 2018

Voted "other". What about removing scam crates at all?

dsalter · March 2018

TelvanniWizard wrote: »

Voted "other". What about removing scam crates at all?

tbh that would be silly, the crates are a decent income nobody can argue that but the issue i see is theres stuff in it designed to be a middle finger.
1 soulgem?
1 mimic stone?
5 potions?
25 poisons?
this is loot from something that people pay for?

this is dirty. replace them with things people want. not things that usually take up 2-3 of the 4-5 cards.
consumables may not be the best but its still that door stop between p2w or not, one day people will bend over enough to allow better ones.
i'v seen this crap before, several times in other games infact.
loot boxes should never have direct combat impact no matter what.

VDoom1 · March 2018

Yes. I would ask that at the very least the more common items are removed.

Numerikuu · March 2018

If crates stay? Then the potion/consumable tables need to be thinned out/made less common. But imo? Crates should be removed altogether.