The bug leading to high defense of shields. Ignored for years

Passifest · March 2018

Hello all I bring to you another enlightening tidbit of information. Status effects do not work on shield users. Status effects also disappear from the target when they use a shield. Some people say this is intended some say it is a bug. Which is it we can't really know unless a ZOS employee says it is or not. If this is a bug then it should be fixed. If it isn't then it should be changed because it doesn't really make sense other than for rp reasons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiffQkswU54

This was tested with a gold charged lightning staff with shock enchant. I can provide further video evidence if required.

Judas Helviaryn · March 2018

Are we talking about wards, or boards?

Passifest · March 2018

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Are we talking about wards, or boards?

wards bruh wards

Judas Helviaryn · March 2018

Passifest wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Are we talking about wards, or boards?

wards bruh wards

I would argue it's intended, then. You cannot crit or penetrate wards, and conversely, wards have no armor rating. They can be buffed through CP and certain damage reduction passives/sets alone. It's been like this as long as I remember playing a sorc (guess).

brandonv516 · March 2018

As a charged lightning staff user, I know I've seen off-balance triggered many many times on Sorcerers with shields up. So what exactly are you smoking son?

Passifest · March 2018

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Passifest wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Are we talking about wards, or boards?

wards bruh wards

I would argue it's intended, then. You cannot crit or penetrate wards, and conversely, wards have no armor rating. They can be buffed through CP and certain damage reduction passives/sets alone. It's been like this as long as I remember playing a sorc (guess).

Yes but why do some dots work and some do. Doesn't make sense. If my burning embers works on a shield user then why shouldn't my burning dot.

VaranisArano · March 2018

Sounds like it needs more testing to see which status effects work and which dont.

Passifest · March 2018

brandonv516 wrote: »

As a charged lightning staff user, I know I've seen off-balance triggered many many times on Sorcerers with shields up. So what exactly are you smoking son?

You're wrong. So what exactly are you smoking son?

vyndral13preub18_ESO · March 2018

Passifest wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Passifest wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Are we talking about wards, or boards?

wards bruh wards

I would argue it's intended, then. You cannot crit or penetrate wards, and conversely, wards have no armor rating. They can be buffed through CP and certain damage reduction passives/sets alone. It's been like this as long as I remember playing a sorc (guess).

Yes but why do some dots work and some do. Doesn't make sense. If my burning embers works on a shield user then why shouldn't my burning dot.

Because it is eso. And here we do things like make rules and say ok all these types of skills can no longer be dodged! Except that one. And this champion point will make all direct damage stronger.. except that one...

Judas Helviaryn · March 2018

brandonv516 wrote: »

As a charged lightning staff user, I know I've seen off-balance triggered many many times on Sorcerers with shields up. So what exactly are you smoking son?

I've had defile and the poisoned status effect from Lethal Arrow applied to me as well, with wards up. Definitely dunno what he's smokin.

Passifest · March 2018

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

As a charged lightning staff user, I know I've seen off-balance triggered many many times on Sorcerers with shields up. So what exactly are you smoking son?

I've had defile and the poisoned status effect from Lethal Arrow applied to me as well, with wards up. Definitely dunno what he's smokin.

I will provide video evidence soon. Also you guys don't seem to be aware what is considered a status effect and what isn't.

brandonv516 · March 2018

Passifest wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

As a charged lightning staff user, I know I've seen off-balance triggered many many times on Sorcerers with shields up. So what exactly are you smoking son?

I've had defile and the poisoned status effect from Lethal Arrow applied to me as well, with wards up. Definitely dunno what he's smokin.

I will provide video evidence soon. Also you guys don't seem to be aware what is considered a status effect and what isn't.

Concussed, Burning, Chilled. Concussion causes the Off-Balance text - which is what I see pop up every few seconds on enemies. Which is what I see on Sorcerers with wards.

I suggest you go back to the lab and test all 3 status effects and come back.

Judas Helviaryn · March 2018

Passifest wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

As a charged lightning staff user, I know I've seen off-balance triggered many many times on Sorcerers with shields up. So what exactly are you smoking son?

I've had defile and the poisoned status effect from Lethal Arrow applied to me as well, with wards up. Definitely dunno what he's smokin.

I will provide video evidence soon. Also you guys don't seem to be aware what is considered a status effect and what isn't.

The basic status effects with a chance to proc off of the different hostile elements in the game, in no particular order..

Disease - Minor Defile
Frost - Minor Maim
Flame - Burning DoT
Poison - Poison DoT
Shock - Minor Vulnerability

There are also other status effects that are secondary, and tertiary, to these elements and other gameplay mechanics such as off-balance, like Brandon mentioned.

Define which class of status effects you mean, and we can go from there.

Passifest · March 2018

brandonv516 wrote: »

Passifest wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

As a charged lightning staff user, I know I've seen off-balance triggered many many times on Sorcerers with shields up. So what exactly are you smoking son?

I've had defile and the poisoned status effect from Lethal Arrow applied to me as well, with wards up. Definitely dunno what he's smokin.

I will provide video evidence soon. Also you guys don't seem to be aware what is considered a status effect and what isn't.

Concussed, Burning, Chilled. Concussion causes the Off-Balance text - which is what I see pop up every few seconds on enemies. Which is what I see on Sorcerers with wards.

I suggest you go back to the lab and test all 3 status effects and come back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiffQkswU54&feature=youtu.be

This was tested with a charged lightning staff with shock enchantment for what I believe is 80% chance of concussion. As shown it does not apply. The same is for burning and I have no method of testing chilled as of now. In fact if an enemy is concussed then shields they will no longer be concussed.

Dojohoda · March 2018

A thread that is about status effects and a few posts in the thread mentions/discusses a possible bug relating to shields.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/331260/status-effects-in-eso

NyassaV · March 2018

Honestly, this sounds like an intended (ish) feature. Wards in the lore would protect you from secondary affects for the most part. Though the burning effect should eat through a ward like any damage

Passifest · March 2018

NyassaV wrote: »

Honestly, this sounds like an intended (ish) feature. Wards in the lore would protect you from secondary affects for the most part. Though the burning effect should eat through a ward like any damage

I think lore arguments when it effects balancing have no place. Like realistically I should be able to one hit someone by cutting their head off but due to the fact that this is a game it doesn't happen. And due to how everything is buggy in this game we really can't know if it is intended or not. If it is intended it seems rather arbitrary that status effects wouldn't effect people with wards on.

Arkangeloski · March 2018

Passifest wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

As a charged lightning staff user, I know I've seen off-balance triggered many many times on Sorcerers with shields up. So what exactly are you smoking son?

You're wrong. So what exactly are you smoking son?

I have set off balance targets with shields with cloak sa from stealth.

Waffennacht · March 2018

Doesn't an AoE DoT only have a 2% to proc a status effect per hit?

Passifest · March 2018

Waffennacht wrote: »

Doesn't an AoE DoT only have a 2% to proc a status effect per hit?

Hence the use of a charged staff and a shock enchantment. Its nearly a 100% chance to proc concussed when used on someone with no shields. I expected people to say it wasn't a bug but to doubt what I am saying entirely really makes me question the knowledge of the average forum user, no offense.

Thogard · March 2018

Passifest wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Doesn't an AoE DoT only have a 2% to proc a status effect per hit?

Hence the use of a charged staff and a shock enchantment. Its nearly a 100% chance to proc concussed when used on someone with no shields. I expected people to say it wasn't a bug but to doubt what I am saying entirely really makes me question the knowledge of the average forum user, no offense.

I think your math might be off here on the proc chance

Doesn’t mean you’re wrong though

*cough flanking set cough*

ak_pvp · March 2018

As a note: it's not all status effects. It's damage type effects, diseased, concussed, burning etc.

You can still hard apply the secondary effects of the damage type effects, I.e. Defile, vulnerability. Definitely annoying.

Passifest · March 2018

ak_pvp wrote: »

As a note: it's not all status effects. It's damage type effects, diseased, concussed, burning etc.

You can still hard apply the secondary effects of the damage type effects, I.e. Defile, vulnerability. Definitely annoying.

Interesting but if concussed goes through then wouldn't they be off balanced through blockade? Which it clearly doesn't based off my supplied video. If vulnerability goes through but the dmg doesn't it is clearly a bug. ZOS help.

Cinbri · March 2018

People already asked zos several times to tell if it bug or intended mechanic - silence is only answer we get. So we dont know if it special mechanic of shields or bug like when enchants/poisons didnt proc on block coz "engine limitations".

Dracane · March 2018

Secondary status effect procs can not proc on shields. Including the secondary effect of glpyhs like disease, shock, fire etc.
And secondary effect procs like the asylum staff don't work as well.
Direct effects as caused by lethal arrow, do work and this is intended imo. Because Argonians are immune to defile procs from disease enchants, can however be defiled with lethal arrow and reverb bash for example.

In any case, this needs to change. Shields should be affected by status effects.

Passifest · March 2018

Cinbri wrote: »

People already asked zos several times to tell if it bug or intended mechanic - silence is only answer we get. So we dont know if it special mechanic of shields or bug like when enchants/poisons didnt proc on block coz "engine limitations".

They probably don't even know themselves at this point.

Berenhir · March 2018

Passifest wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

People already asked zos several times to tell if it bug or intended mechanic - silence is only answer we get. So we dont know if it special mechanic of shields or bug like when enchants/poisons didnt proc on block coz "engine limitations".

They probably don't even know themselves at this point.

We can just ask our nice community manager @ZOS_GinaBruno if she would be so nice to ask the devteam if it is intended that shielded players are not subject to elemental status effects.

Passifest · March 2018

Berenhir wrote: »

Passifest wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

People already asked zos several times to tell if it bug or intended mechanic - silence is only answer we get. So we dont know if it special mechanic of shields or bug like when enchants/poisons didnt proc on block coz "engine limitations".

They probably don't even know themselves at this point.

We can just ask our nice community manager @ZOS_GinaBruno if she would be so nice to ask the devteam if it is intended that shielded players are not subject to elemental status effects.

Maybe when a thread like this comes up in a year or so

Anne_Firehawk · March 2018

brandonv516 wrote: »

As a charged lightning staff user, I know I've seen off-balance triggered many many times on Sorcerers with shields up. So what exactly are you smoking son?

As a Magicka DK, I call *** because it doesn't work on shielded targets. Do your homework first next time.

Ankael07 · April 2018

So... have there been an update on why we cant proc secondary status effects on shields? This makes the Asylum stave or a Charged trait build mostly useless against Sorcerers, Mnightblades or Mdragonknights.

Passifest · April 2018

Ankael07 wrote: »

So has there been an update on why we cant proc secondary status effects on shields? This makes the Asylum stave or a Charged trait build mostly useless against Sorcerers and Mnightblades.

Nah it will be ignored for years more.