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Stop to support profeteers! don't buy overpriced Minotaur Chests' motifs!
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✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »DeadlyRecluse wrote: »
The reason is the outfitting system. Just like when master writs first dropped, outfitting has caused a bump in all motif prices. The big difference, though, is outfitting heavily favors desirable motif pages rather than just completing motifs. So things like Minotaur chests are worth a fair amount now.They were 20k and now for 150k with no reason.
I missed the patch where they banned proc sets, I guess. Last I checked they're still allowed--plus this is completely irrelevant to a market speculation question.Not prohibited means allowed? Proc sets were allowed too.
sets allowed but totally nerfed to nearly useless stance.
Outfit is no reason. Other sets even become cheaper. It's all about these chests - even with x2 drop event. And only chests. Other Mino motifs became even 20% cheaper
I really don't understand the connection to proc sets. Proc sets were overperforming in Battlegrounds and doing more DPS than intended in PVE, so ZOS nerfed them.
Market manipulation by buying items cheap and reselling them for a high price isn't against the rules or creating problems for ZOS, so I'm not sure why you expect ZOS to deal with the problem.
the connection is metaphoric. Not prohibited but near to broke game expirience.They were 20k and now for 150k with no reason. They good? Yep, decent. But this is direct speculation. Not prohibited means allowed? Proc sets were allowed too.
Let me get this straight.... You are upset that price fixing may be in play here to have higher prices, but you are here to try to do price fixing for a lower price.... huh....
no, just ask dont support profeteers. It's not prohibited tooDeadlyRecluse wrote: »
The reason is the outfitting system. Just like when master writs first dropped, outfitting has caused a bump in all motif prices. The big difference, though, is outfitting heavily favors desirable motif pages rather than just completing motifs. So things like Minotaur chests are worth a fair amount now.They were 20k and now for 150k with no reason.
I missed the patch where they banned proc sets, I guess. Last I checked they're still allowed--plus this is completely irrelevant to a market speculation question.Not prohibited means allowed? Proc sets were allowed too.
sets allowed but totally nerfed to nearly useless stance.
Outfit is no reason. Other sets even become cheaper. It's all about these chests - even with x2 drop event. And only chests. Other Mino motifs became even 20% cheaper
I think You dont get how economy works. Outfits are direct and the only reason why minotaur chest prices went up by that huge amount. Lot of people wants to have bared chest to show their skins/tatoos etc while still looking decent which bathtowel not offers. There is limited amount of chests that can make that desire come true basicly mazzatun , argonian and minotaur. Mazzatun and argonian are much easier to get and are based around different ways of look that not everyone needs to like. From all 3 mentioned solutions minotaur chests are the hardest to get and for many people looks the best. That's why we have current prices. Need generates the price. Now more then ever thanks for outfit system prices of certain motifs pieces are based on their aesthetics.
I know how it work. And I also know more about things among just "buy-sell"
+ u sounded good idea: motif parts cost is based on its aestethic. but... why 1 man have bought all Mino chests and placed em for 150k? Why he decided for other ones? because he had money at the moment. We (me) didn't. It's not about aestetic at all...
Because this is excatly how economy works. Taking adventage by guessing what will be more valuable isnt something new in ESO. Using brain to predict people behaviours based on the market state is something worth of respect. Many people were making milions of gold that way. Many people maded money that way in real life either. You should feel immersed
Also I dont think it's one man case. Edited by Juhasow on March 17, 2018 6:17PM0 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »DeadlyRecluse wrote: »
The reason is the outfitting system. Just like when master writs first dropped, outfitting has caused a bump in all motif prices. The big difference, though, is outfitting heavily favors desirable motif pages rather than just completing motifs. So things like Minotaur chests are worth a fair amount now.They were 20k and now for 150k with no reason.
I missed the patch where they banned proc sets, I guess. Last I checked they're still allowed--plus this is completely irrelevant to a market speculation question.Not prohibited means allowed? Proc sets were allowed too.
sets allowed but totally nerfed to nearly useless stance.
Outfit is no reason. Other sets even become cheaper. It's all about these chests - even with x2 drop event. And only chests. Other Mino motifs became even 20% cheaper
I really don't understand the connection to proc sets. Proc sets were overperforming in Battlegrounds and doing more DPS than intended in PVE, so ZOS nerfed them.
Market manipulation by buying items cheap and reselling them for a high price isn't against the rules or creating problems for ZOS, so I'm not sure why you expect ZOS to deal with the problem.
the connection is metaphoric. Not prohibited but near to broke game expirience.They were 20k and now for 150k with no reason. They good? Yep, decent. But this is direct speculation. Not prohibited means allowed? Proc sets were allowed too.
Let me get this straight.... You are upset that price fixing may be in play here to have higher prices, but you are here to try to do price fixing for a lower price.... huh....
no, just ask dont support profeteers. It's not prohibited tooDeadlyRecluse wrote: »
The reason is the outfitting system. Just like when master writs first dropped, outfitting has caused a bump in all motif prices. The big difference, though, is outfitting heavily favors desirable motif pages rather than just completing motifs. So things like Minotaur chests are worth a fair amount now.They were 20k and now for 150k with no reason.
I missed the patch where they banned proc sets, I guess. Last I checked they're still allowed--plus this is completely irrelevant to a market speculation question.Not prohibited means allowed? Proc sets were allowed too.
sets allowed but totally nerfed to nearly useless stance.
Outfit is no reason. Other sets even become cheaper. It's all about these chests - even with x2 drop event. And only chests. Other Mino motifs became even 20% cheaper
I think You dont get how economy works. Outfits are direct and the only reason why minotaur chest prices went up by that huge amount. Lot of people wants to have bared chest to show their skins/tatoos etc while still looking decent which bathtowel not offers. There is limited amount of chests that can make that desire come true basicly mazzatun , argonian and minotaur. Mazzatun and argonian are much easier to get and are based around different ways of look that not everyone needs to like. From all 3 mentioned solutions minotaur chests are the hardest to get and for many people looks the best. That's why we have current prices. Need generates the price. Now more then ever thanks for outfit system prices of certain motifs pieces are based on their aesthetics.
I know how it work. And I also know more about things among just "buy-sell"
+ u sounded good idea: motif parts cost is based on its aestethic. but... why 1 man have bought all Mino chests and placed em for 150k? Why he decided for other ones? because he had money at the moment. We (me) didn't. It's not about aestetic at all...
Don't think one person bought them all. https://us.tamrieltradecentre.com/pc/Trade/SearchResult?ItemID=9581&SortBy=LastSeen&Order=desc
yes, it's clear but I wanna know name first guy who did it.
Why, so you can name and shame?
(Which, incidentally, would be more against the rules than buying low and selling absurdly high.)
man, stop abusing this.
So, I'm genuinely curious now. Why would you want people's names?
revenge plans >:-O (;..;)
I can't tell if you are serious or sarcastic. Either way, such a thing would be far more against the rules the game than reselling minotaur motifs for 150k, you know that, right?
Otherwise, the best revenge is buying ALL the motifs and selling them for 300k.Edited by VaranisArano on March 17, 2018 6:19PM0 -
Valkysas154✭✭✭✭✭Early April fools ? since the community has made it clear this will only happen with a GAH...
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xilfxlegion✭✭✭✭✭They were 20k and now for 150k with no reason. They good? Yep, decent. But this is direct speculation. Not prohibited means allowed? Proc sets were allowed too.
why do you say with no reason ? the chests and the helmets drop less than the other pages. it isnt market manipulation its simply supply and demand.
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rustic_potato✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »DeadlyRecluse wrote: »
The reason is the outfitting system. Just like when master writs first dropped, outfitting has caused a bump in all motif prices. The big difference, though, is outfitting heavily favors desirable motif pages rather than just completing motifs. So things like Minotaur chests are worth a fair amount now.They were 20k and now for 150k with no reason.
I missed the patch where they banned proc sets, I guess. Last I checked they're still allowed--plus this is completely irrelevant to a market speculation question.Not prohibited means allowed? Proc sets were allowed too.
sets allowed but totally nerfed to nearly useless stance.
Outfit is no reason. Other sets even become cheaper. It's all about these chests - even with x2 drop event. And only chests. Other Mino motifs became even 20% cheaper
I really don't understand the connection to proc sets. Proc sets were overperforming in Battlegrounds and doing more DPS than intended in PVE, so ZOS nerfed them.
Market manipulation by buying items cheap and reselling them for a high price isn't against the rules or creating problems for ZOS, so I'm not sure why you expect ZOS to deal with the problem.
the connection is metaphoric. Not prohibited but near to broke game expirience.They were 20k and now for 150k with no reason. They good? Yep, decent. But this is direct speculation. Not prohibited means allowed? Proc sets were allowed too.
Let me get this straight.... You are upset that price fixing may be in play here to have higher prices, but you are here to try to do price fixing for a lower price.... huh....
no, just ask dont support profeteers. It's not prohibited tooDeadlyRecluse wrote: »
The reason is the outfitting system. Just like when master writs first dropped, outfitting has caused a bump in all motif prices. The big difference, though, is outfitting heavily favors desirable motif pages rather than just completing motifs. So things like Minotaur chests are worth a fair amount now.They were 20k and now for 150k with no reason.
I missed the patch where they banned proc sets, I guess. Last I checked they're still allowed--plus this is completely irrelevant to a market speculation question.Not prohibited means allowed? Proc sets were allowed too.
sets allowed but totally nerfed to nearly useless stance.
Outfit is no reason. Other sets even become cheaper. It's all about these chests - even with x2 drop event. And only chests. Other Mino motifs became even 20% cheaper
I think You dont get how economy works. Outfits are direct and the only reason why minotaur chest prices went up by that huge amount. Lot of people wants to have bared chest to show their skins/tatoos etc while still looking decent which bathtowel not offers. There is limited amount of chests that can make that desire come true basicly mazzatun , argonian and minotaur. Mazzatun and argonian are much easier to get and are based around different ways of look that not everyone needs to like. From all 3 mentioned solutions minotaur chests are the hardest to get and for many people looks the best. That's why we have current prices. Need generates the price. Now more then ever thanks for outfit system prices of certain motifs pieces are based on their aesthetics.
I know how it work. And I also know more about things among just "buy-sell"
+ u sounded good idea: motif parts cost is based on its aestethic. but... why 1 man have bought all Mino chests and placed em for 150k? Why he decided for other ones? because he had money at the moment. We (me) didn't. It's not about aestetic at all...
Don't think one person bought them all. https://us.tamrieltradecentre.com/pc/Trade/SearchResult?ItemID=9581&SortBy=LastSeen&Order=desc
yes, it's clear but I wanna know name first guy who did it.
Why, so you can name and shame?
(Which, incidentally, would be more against the rules than buying low and selling absurdly high.)
man, stop abusing this.
So, I'm genuinely curious now. Why would you want people's names?
revenge plans >:-O (;..;)
Good luck with that. You are fighting the richest folks of the PC servers. The group can lose millions of gold each day and still not care about it. Cos they make way more than that from their long term market manipulation.Edited by rustic_potato on March 17, 2018 7:08PMI play how I want to.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭If the price was kept low, you simply wouldn't be able to find any of them for sale. Supply and demand set prices. There is low supply and high demand right now.0 -
Morvane✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »DeadlyRecluse wrote: »
The reason is the outfitting system. Just like when master writs first dropped, outfitting has caused a bump in all motif prices. The big difference, though, is outfitting heavily favors desirable motif pages rather than just completing motifs. So things like Minotaur chests are worth a fair amount now.They were 20k and now for 150k with no reason.
I missed the patch where they banned proc sets, I guess. Last I checked they're still allowed--plus this is completely irrelevant to a market speculation question.Not prohibited means allowed? Proc sets were allowed too.
sets allowed but totally nerfed to nearly useless stance.
Outfit is no reason. Other sets even become cheaper. It's all about these chests - even with x2 drop event. And only chests. Other Mino motifs became even 20% cheaper
I really don't understand the connection to proc sets. Proc sets were overperforming in Battlegrounds and doing more DPS than intended in PVE, so ZOS nerfed them.
Market manipulation by buying items cheap and reselling them for a high price isn't against the rules or creating problems for ZOS, so I'm not sure why you expect ZOS to deal with the problem.
the connection is metaphoric. Not prohibited but near to broke game expirience.They were 20k and now for 150k with no reason. They good? Yep, decent. But this is direct speculation. Not prohibited means allowed? Proc sets were allowed too.
Let me get this straight.... You are upset that price fixing may be in play here to have higher prices, but you are here to try to do price fixing for a lower price.... huh....
no, just ask dont support profeteers. It's not prohibited tooDeadlyRecluse wrote: »
The reason is the outfitting system. Just like when master writs first dropped, outfitting has caused a bump in all motif prices. The big difference, though, is outfitting heavily favors desirable motif pages rather than just completing motifs. So things like Minotaur chests are worth a fair amount now.They were 20k and now for 150k with no reason.
I missed the patch where they banned proc sets, I guess. Last I checked they're still allowed--plus this is completely irrelevant to a market speculation question.Not prohibited means allowed? Proc sets were allowed too.
sets allowed but totally nerfed to nearly useless stance.
Outfit is no reason. Other sets even become cheaper. It's all about these chests - even with x2 drop event. And only chests. Other Mino motifs became even 20% cheaper
I think You dont get how economy works. Outfits are direct and the only reason why minotaur chest prices went up by that huge amount. Lot of people wants to have bared chest to show their skins/tatoos etc while still looking decent which bathtowel not offers. There is limited amount of chests that can make that desire come true basicly mazzatun , argonian and minotaur. Mazzatun and argonian are much easier to get and are based around different ways of look that not everyone needs to like. From all 3 mentioned solutions minotaur chests are the hardest to get and for many people looks the best. That's why we have current prices. Need generates the price. Now more then ever thanks for outfit system prices of certain motifs pieces are based on their aesthetics.
I know how it work. And I also know more about things among just "buy-sell"
+ u sounded good idea: motif parts cost is based on its aestethic. but... why 1 man have bought all Mino chests and placed em for 150k? Why he decided for other ones? because he had money at the moment. We (me) didn't. It's not about aestetic at all...
Don't think one person bought them all. https://us.tamrieltradecentre.com/pc/Trade/SearchResult?ItemID=9581&SortBy=LastSeen&Order=desc
yes, it's clear but I wanna know name first guy who did it.
Why, so you can name and shame?
(Which, incidentally, would be more against the rules than buying low and selling absurdly high.)
man, stop abusing this.
So, I'm genuinely curious now. Why would you want people's names?
revenge plans >:-O (;..;)
I can't tell if you are serious or sarcastic. Either way, such a thing would be far more against the rules the game than reselling minotaur motifs for 150k, you know that, right?
Otherwise, the best revenge is buying ALL the motifs and selling them for 300k.
sarcastic, but... but appreciate your idea
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✭✭Supply and demand. If you're in demand, find your own supply then. People can price their items at whatever they want whether they'll sell or not. You're gonna have to accept that if you choose to play ESO.1 -
117Dios✭✭✭Did you really call debts and inflation tools to control the market?
Did you really compare mino chests to water for a person lost in a desert?
I'm conflicted:
On one hand I want to keep reading this kind of stuff
On the other, I want a mod to lock this thread4 -
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✭MasterSpatula wrote: »This has as much to do with ZOS nerfing the droprate of Minotaur to a level that no one but a straight-up sociopath would even consider as it does with the outfit system.
Oh... now that can explain some posts...
I'm pretty sure Minotaur wasn't mentioned in the Patch notes
I was referring to the second half on the statement, not the first.
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jssriot✭✭✭✭✭
✭1) Go farm a mino chest and once you finally get one--if you get one at all--ask yourself how much you would be willing to sell it for
2) I second having a mod lock this threadPC-NA since 2015. Tired and unimpressed.0 -
Silver_Strider✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Let me get this straight.
All the Minotaur chest motifs were bought at a low price to turn them over for a much higher price? Sounds like auction house type stuff that happens in every other MMO. Why is ESO any different?Argonian forever0 -
Morvane✭✭✭✭1) Go farm a mino chest and once you finally get one--if you get one at all--ask yourself how much you would be willing to sell it for
2) I second having a mod lock this thread
1) FARM MINO CHEST = 3 mins daily everyday. You can share q and wait until another guys comlete it for you. VERY HARD WORK, REALLY
2) you're biased.Silver_Strider wrote: »Let me get this straight.
All the Minotaur chest motifs were bought at a low price to turn them over for a much higher price? Sounds like auction house type stuff that happens in every other MMO. Why is ESO any different?
because we (I) dont want speculation
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✭✭✭I have a different point of view. I really don't sell any motifs. However, think about the RNG, do you want to spend the next 6 months trying to find that 1 piece or pay 150k?
I'm not sure how much I paid for mazzatun chest but I am sure I payed around 150k and ok with it, because I know I really didn't want to grind for it. I think I paid around 500k AP for the chest piece for akaviri motif. That set is crazy because you have to pay so much freaking AP to even create a set. For the mats it is like 500k more AP.
I don't mind paying a higher price for some of those motifs.
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✭✭vamp_emily wrote: »I have a different point of view. I really don't sell any motifs. However, think about the RNG, do you want to spend the next 6 months trying to find that 1 piece or pay 150k?
I'm not sure how much I paid for mazzatun chest but I am sure I payed around 150k and ok with it, because I know I really didn't want to grind for it. I think I paid around 500k AP for the chest piece for akaviri motif. That set is crazy because you have to pay so much freaking AP to even create a set. For the mats it is like 500k more AP.
I don't mind paying a higher price for some of those motifs.
Pretty much same. I'll likely never do a lot of end game stuff so if there's a design/style that I like, I will buy it.
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✭✭✭✭✭They were 20k and now for 150k with no reason. They good? Yep, decent. But this is direct speculation. Not prohibited means allowed? Proc sets were allowed too.
Huh? Supply and demand. Only crafters used them before, now people want for Outifts.
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✭✭✭✭✭Huh. On PS4 NA I mostly see them between 20-40k"If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."0 -
Lykanus✭✭✭1) Go farm a mino chest and once you finally get one--if you get one at all--ask yourself how much you would be willing to sell it for
2) I second having a mod lock this thread
1) FARM MINO CHEST = 3 mins daily everyday. You can share q and wait until another guys comlete it for you. VERY HARD WORK, REALLY
2) you're biased.
Then go and farm Mino Chest and make money. Its that easy as you said!
Wait it isnt? Well might the price has a reason!
The supply and demand on the market cannot be fullfilled= price raises. As soon as the demand falls the prices will drop. No scalper can make money if there is more supply then demand.
It is far easier to get 150k Gold then farming the Motif yourself. Especially if you dont want it in some Months. The gold you can get in about 6hours. The motif you want in weeks/months! If you're lucky you might only take one week. But then you got much luck!
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Erraln✭✭✭✭✭1) Go farm a mino chest and once you finally get one--if you get one at all--ask yourself how much you would be willing to sell it for
2) I second having a mod lock this thread
1) FARM MINO CHEST = 3 mins daily everyday. You can share q and wait until another guys comlete it for you. VERY HARD WORK, REALLY
2) you're biased.
Then go and farm Mino Chest and make money. Its that easy as you said!
Wait it isnt? Well might the price has a reason!
The supply and demand on the market cannot be fullfilled= price raises. As soon as the demand falls the prices will drop. No scalper can make money if there is more supply then demand.
It is far easier to get 150k Gold then farming the Motif yourself. Especially if you dont want it in some Months. The gold you can get in about 6hours. The motif you want in weeks/months! If you're lucky you might only take one week. But then you got much luck!
tell ur girl how clever you are.
or read full topic's discussion before posting common thing like a pro.
Are you really associating a digital style modifier's demand spike to wartime food supply regulation?
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✭Its called the free market, get over it, dont pay it if you dont think its worth it. I never buy motifs over 10k myself...would rather farm them at those costs.0 -
Morvane✭✭✭✭Its called the free market, get over it, dont pay it if you dont think its worth it. I never buy motifs over 10k myself...would rather farm them at those costs.
some things are calling marketing regulation or anti-monopoly regulation. Some laws prevent speculation or financial bubbles. but seems 90% of users heard only about FREE market without any clever regulation or whayever. They just abuse their possibility to talk toinsult OP.
p.s. marketing restrictions in this game are from start - no auction here and no search engine on guild stores + time delay in searchng items. This prevent boting and specualations a lot. But with service like Tamriel Trade Center specalators are step closer to broke game expirience again.DC Dunmer Sorcerer since 2014
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