Remove "common" items section from crown crates?

dsalter · March 2018

Basically few want to get that pointless filler stuff that that seems to fill up 2-3/4-5 of the "cards" which is where some of the frustration and negative image mainly comes from.

DieAlteHexe · March 2018

I don't mind 'em. Usually turn them into gems and then can use the gems to buy things that I like.

Datolite · March 2018

Stop buying crown crates if you don't like it. They're basically just a scam anyway, and gambling as a rewards mechanic in a progress-based game is just a terrible concept.

dsalter · March 2018

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

I don't mind 'em. Usually turn them into gems and then can use the gems to buy things that I like.

but thats one gem, everything in the uncommon gives 2+, doesn't that kind of reinforce that the "common" list is less wanted because it gives you less chance at even getting gems?

dsalter · March 2018

datoliteb16_ESO wrote: »

Stop buying crown crates if you don't like it. They're basically just a scam anyway, and gambling as a rewards mechanic in a progress-based game is just a terrible concept.

you can just move on if this topic has nothing to do with your point. i have bought them. and probably will more often if they arent so filled with the horrendous junk that you can just grab anywhere in game.
the point of the poll is to see if others also agree the "common" section is completely unwanted junk.

Turelus · March 2018

Of course they need to go, but they won't.

The entire reason they're there is the reason you have a problem with them. They pad out the chances of getting something good, meaning you have to buy more to get what you want.

The believed mechanics are 1 white, 1 white/green, 1 blue+, 1 anything (can be white or green). When you buy and open crates you're only ever paying for 1 guaranteed good item, 1 change of one and and additional rare chance of a 4th (blue/purple+?) care.

xbobx · March 2018

the loot crates should be removed all together and we should just be able to buy the items. IN the end it will be a lot cheaper considering that spreadsheet someone did up shows apex items will be less than 2 percent of winnings.

that is not acceptable. These guys will destroy their game unless they smarten up. I think the player base is shrining and they aer not smart enough to realize the answer is to become more transparent and customer friendly yet they have become greedy, guarded and toxic to the community.

I want to see all senior staff involved in decision making to be fired so that the programmers who actually do the real work have a chance to continue to be employed.

its sickening what has been going on.

i don't know if this has been going on forever but the mods and developers have become cowards by ignoring things of real concern and only addressing fluff.

until there are big changes, this game is going to crap and its too bad.

i would love to see the mods and developers to actually answer questions that matter and make changes that need to be addressed, but they wont. They know what they have become.

dsalter · March 2018

xbobx wrote: »

the loot crates should be removed all together and we should just be able to buy the items. IN the end it will be a lot cheaper considering that spreadsheet someone did up shows apex items will be less than 2 percent of winnings.

that is not acceptable. These guys will destroy their game unless they smarten up. I think the player base is shrining and they aer not smart enough to realize the answer is to become more transparent and customer friendly yet they have become greedy, guarded and toxic to the community.

I want to see all senior staff involved in decision making to be fired so that the programmers who actually do the real work have a chance to continue to be employed.

its sickening what has been going on.

i don't know if this has been going on forever but the mods and developers have become cowards by ignoring things of real concern and only addressing fluff.

until there are big changes, this game is going to crap and its too bad.

i would love to see the mods and developers to actually answer questions that matter and make changes that need to be addressed, but they wont. They know what they have become.

i agree, but this poll is purely a short term fix idea, zos seem brilliant at throwing those out so figured a little poll might get some voice out there, though unlikely but hey, worth the chance right?

idk · March 2018

This poll is nice for entertainment value. I assume OP is aware of the other poll Zos has done that determines the fate of such things.

DieAlteHexe · March 2018

dsalter wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

I don't mind 'em. Usually turn them into gems and then can use the gems to buy things that I like.

but thats one gem, everything in the uncommon gives 2+, doesn't that kind of reinforce that the "common" list is less wanted because it gives you less chance at even getting gems?

Adds up over time. Of course it is, this is a money- making thing. *shrug*

dsalter · March 2018

idk wrote: »

This poll is nice for entertainment value. I assume OP is aware of the other poll Zos has done that determines the fate of such things.

indeed i am, the reason its more focused on curiosity and data gathering than actually requesting

DieAlteHexe · March 2018

Turelus wrote: »

Of course they need to go, but they won't.

The entire reason they're there is the reason you have a problem with them. They pad out the chances of getting something good, meaning you have to buy more to get what you want.

The believed mechanics are 1 white, 1 white/green, 1 blue+, 1 anything (can be white or green). When you buy and open crates you're only ever paying for 1 guaranteed good item, 1 change of one and and additional rare chance of a 4th (blue/purple+?) care.

^^^^^That.

And not surprising at least not to me.

Slurg · March 2018

Read up on the history of the crates. Those common items are what you are actually buying when you buy a crate.

AdamBourke · March 2018

They should go, but they won't.

I've never felt anything other than disappointment by what I've gotten in the crates. And that's from almost exclusively free crates. I would feel even worse if i'd paid for them.

lucky_Sage · March 2018

I'm going to laugh if something like what happened to EA happens the this game

idk · March 2018

dsalter wrote: »

idk wrote: »

This poll is nice for entertainment value. I assume OP is aware of the other poll Zos has done that determines the fate of such things.

indeed i am, the reason its more focused on curiosity and data gathering than actually requesting

Good., It was not clear you were merely curious what the limited set of forum goers interested in such a poll would think. Seemed more you wanted to drive for the items to be removed.

DeadlyRecluse · March 2018

As a idealist and consumer, of course I don't want useless dreck i just turn into gems instantly.

....as a rational person, I don't why they would ever do that. It "feels" better flipping 4 cards even if 3 of them are junk rather than 1-2 with less trash.

JKorr · March 2018

Not a chance in Oblivion they'll get rid of the common items. The person they hired to monetize stuff as much as possible is still employed at the company, afaik. The stated reason for the crates is to bundle consumables for a good price. The other stuff? That is simply extras to reward people who buy the crates. Yes, everyone knows that no one buys the crates because they want the food/potions/poisons but because they want the apex and radiant apex rewards. Any method of getting people to buy more crates is fine. Changing the system so they won't have to buy as many, not so much.

Remember when people were posting about how they didn't get the apex mount they wanted, they did get enough gems to outright buy the apex mount they wanted, so they didn't have to buy any more crates until something they really wanted showed up? Yeah, pretty sure the marketing people saw those posts too. In a short while the radiant apex can't be bought with gems mounts showed up in the crates.......

jaschacasadiob16_ESO · March 2018

So what would you like in the crates? All epics or above? Wouldn't you prefer 3 gold or better guaranteed if you buy 15? ... which is not going to happen. The idea of crates is that you can be one of those 5-10 people in the mega server with that mount....

DMuehlhausen · March 2018

datoliteb16_ESO wrote: »

Stop buying crown crates if you don't like it. They're basically just a scam anyway, and gambling as a rewards mechanic in a progress-based game is just a terrible concept.

They aren't rewards. Rewards are things you earn. There is nothing wrong with crates as long as they never contain items that give unfair advantages.

knaveofengland · March 2018

only way this happen is , if they removed them then the prices would have to go up by quite a lot , just work out how many items you get and take awy the common , i think the cost of a crate would have to be at least 4+ times the cost it is now.

Lynx100 · March 2018

hmm was fine with the system with the crates until the hidden 3 came out then thought just .. no never spending a penny on them or anything bare in mind boutght everything since launch so yeah they lost 6-700 a year from me

idk · March 2018

knaveofengland wrote: »

only way this happen is , if they removed them then the prices would have to go up by quite a lot , just work out how many items you get and take awy the common , i think the cost of a crate would have to be at least 4+ times the cost it is now.

The price wouldn’t need to go up. Merely reduce the changes from guaranteed 4 to maybe 2 and reduce the chance for the extra card to show up.

It maybe only one card guaranteed plus a chance at the extra card.

It’s really that simple and basically reduce total cards we get and only have a chance at higher tiered items. Ofc, that also means less items that turn in for the little gems.

redspecter23 · March 2018

Those filler items are basically your crown gems disguised as items. You suggest removing 3+ crown gems from every crate? Why? If you think you'll somehow get 4 - 5 collectibles instead of 1-2 collectibles and the consumables I'd say you're very wrong. The consumables serve a purpose for now. By all means they could be removed, but should be replaced with an amount of crown gems (3 - 50, with high numbers being extremely rare).

DaveMoeDee · March 2018

The point of the crates is to get more money selling cosmetics than they would get selling them directly. That means taking your money while giving you less of what you want. It also means replacing giving you stuff with the thrill of opening boxes, for those who get a thrill from such things.

Since chest are more about the thrill of potential non-crap, decreasing the number of cards and making average rewards better would undermine the strategy. Value equations are irrelevant to this model since it is all about sales and the people buying a lot aren't concerning themselves with value. If they were focused on customer satisfaction with regards to crates, they would just sell the cosmetics directly.

Anotherone773 · March 2018

All chance crates in every game that has them are designed that way. Its not a chance crate. You take a gamble on getting a huge payday. Its lottery in a box. You pick 4( sometimes 5) numbers. Most of the time you loose, sometimes you win a small prize( green), sometimes you win a decent prize( blue/purple) but very rarely do you win a top prize.

The odds are not in your favor. Some people may get an apex reward in 5 crates or less, someone else might have to open 500 or more to get an apex reward. If you want the items you cant just outright buy, you have to spend anywhere from a few thousand crowns to tens of thousands.

Samadhi · March 2018

dsalter wrote: »

Basically few want to get that pointless filler stuff that that seems to fill up 2-3/4-5 of the "cards" which is where some of the frustration and negative image mainly comes from.

What if they remove the common rewards
then increase the price per crate?

badmojo · March 2018

The 'common' items are fine, they get converted to gems.

It's all the minor cosmetic items that should not be in the crates. I own 30 facial accessories! 30! You know how many I actually wanted? None. It's the same with the ugly hat collection I have going. Emotes? Garbage! These things need to be put in the crown store so people who actually use them can easily get them.

If the crate rewards were mounts, costumes, furniture, pets, motifs then I would feel less bad about buying them.

Getting 2 facial accessories and an emote in my 3 free crates really discourages me from buying any.

I would even pay more per crate if they werent full of hats circlets and emotes.

Turelus · March 2018

badmojo wrote: »

The 'common' items are fine, they get converted to gems.

That conversion rate is tiny though 1 gem per card pretty much.

For ease of maths let's say $1 = 100 crowns.
1 Crate 400 Crowns, $1 per card, 1 common card = 1 gem, $1 per gem.
Apex mount 400 gems, thus $400.

And before people jump on me that was basic simple maths to make a point. I know you get more gems for duplicates and this is the most extreme case.

Kiralyn2000 · March 2018

xbobx wrote: »

the loot crates should be removed all together

Well, that's not going to happen any more than an auction/real economy will, so moving on....

Common/junk items in random packs have been a thing since random packs have existed. Grab bags full of junk, packs of magic cards, blind-box action figures....

Heck, I remember the days when I was playing Magic at game stores, the "been there, done that" crowd would buy card packs, flip to the Rare card to see if it was one they cared about, and just toss the Commons on a nearby table and forget about them. I've looked at selling my Magic collection periodically - some of my rares are worth up to $hundreds, the vast majority of Commons will get you a couple dollars for every thousand of them.

Just the way it is. Stop buying the crates if you don't like 'em. (personally, I love the three free ones they give us. It's not a free shot of drugs to get you addicted, it's a reminder of how crappy they are so you don't actually buy any.)

edit: if they get rid of the common items, they'd change the box to just give 1 or 2 cards (you know, take out all the things that are common), and your odds of good items wouldn't improve, you just would get less gems.

badmojo · March 2018

Turelus wrote: »

badmojo wrote: »

The 'common' items are fine, they get converted to gems.

That conversion rate is tiny though 1 gem per card pretty much.

For ease of maths let's say $1 = 100 crowns.
1 Crate 400 Crowns, $1 per card, 1 common card = 1 gem, $1 per gem.
Apex mount 400 gems, thus $400.

And before people jump on me that was basic simple maths to make a point. I know you get more gems for duplicates and this is the most extreme case.

Of course the gem amount is small, they are just consumables thrown in to fill out the screen. You get one or two good cards every crate, then 3 consumables to convert to gems.

Its not like they are going to remove the consumables and suddenly give us 4 or 5 good items per crate. At least not at the same price point. It would be nice, but I doubt they would buff the crates that much.

I do keep the xp scrolls and mimic stones, so its not just a few gems, I get some actual use out of the common cards. On the other hand a lot of the 'good' cards I get are minor cosmetics that I will never use. Wish I could trade all those hats and circlets for a few gems without having to get duplicates.

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