As VaranisArano said it depends what you want to do with it to whether it's viable.

The least viable place is Veteran Trials as DPS where players are expected to be somewhere in the realms of 25-35k DPS for an average group clear. The mechanics of ESO (resource pool size adding damage to skills) means it's more viable normally to choose one or the other rather than going hyrbid (the term used for both).

PvP wise it could work but again as Varanis said it's going to be based on player skill to overcome the weakness of lowered damage numbers or smaller resource pools.

Overland PvE and normal dungeons they'll work fine and might even make things more enjoyable as some bosses will take more than a couple of max damage rotations to bring down.

I'm sure others have made a decent hybrid Templar (look up jack Daniel for his builds).

I'd actually follow a different interpretation of being hybrid (and it's more meta than most realize):
- Pick a damage+healing source (mag or Stam)
- stack 64 attribute points into the max stat you selected
- use a build editor to play with the minimum stats you'll need to be PvP affective.
- swap enchants around and use gear to get your extra stats.
- use 1 mag weapon and 1 stamina weapon.

In your case, use a Frost staff backbar and use two hander for your offense. Probably aim for 35k mag and 3k SD if using Magicka (33k stamina and 4k WD for stamina) then use enchants+gear to get your utility stat boosted up. Frost staff, without any passives that cause the staff to drain mag, will still retain the benefits of SnB blocking, but you get to use ele drain to make up for lost penetration/Regen.

So if you use mag for DMG+healing, use stamina for your utility (and boost your stamina stats for that purpose; use medium armor for the utility passives and find sets that give crit so you can be offensive). Maybe pair valkyn skoria with medium armor, slot forward momentum for the snare immunity and pick Elude so you can get major evasion and not have to worry about casting it so much. You could pair this with prisoners rags so you get some stamina but also get mag Regen on Sprint. Or use amberplasm so you can slot jewels and get enough Stam Regen to justify using it for utility.

That's just my two cents. You probably won't kill tank builds, but even 40k mag, 3k SD LA builds can't kill tanks; just think about that.

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

I'm sure others have made a decent hybrid Templar (look up jack Daniel for his builds).

I'd actually follow a different interpretation of being hybrid (and it's more meta than most realize):
- Pick a damage+healing source (mag or Stam)
- stack 64 attribute points into the max stat you selected
- use a build editor to play with the minimum stats you'll need to be PvP affective.
- swap enchants around and use gear to get your extra stats.
- use 1 mag weapon and 1 stamina weapon.

In your case, use a Frost staff backbar and use two hander for your offense. Probably aim for 35k mag and 3k SD if using Magicka (33k stamina and 4k WD for stamina) then use enchants+gear to get your utility stat boosted up. Frost staff, without any passives that cause the staff to drain mag, will still retain the benefits of SnB blocking, but you get to use ele drain to make up for lost penetration/Regen.

So if you use mag for DMG+healing, use stamina for your utility (and boost your stamina stats for that purpose; use medium armor for the utility passives and find sets that give crit so you can be offensive). Maybe pair valkyn skoria with medium armor, slot forward momentum for the snare immunity and pick Elude so you can get major evasion and not have to worry about casting it so much. You could pair this with prisoners rags so you get some stamina but also get mag Regen on Sprint. Or use amberplasm so you can slot jewels and get enough Stam Regen to justify using it for utility.

That's just my two cents. You probably won't kill tank builds, but even 40k mag, 3k SD LA builds can't kill tanks; just think about that.

And what is there to gain from running 2h/frost over 2h/snb?

Ele drain, heavy attack Regen and if you want the root.
SnB gives you a reflect and 15% ranged block mitigation though. So there's benefits to both, figured OP might like the Stam/mag weapon idea.

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Hybrid builds work well for tanks, not so much for any other role.

from what i can tell this is pretty accurate...or, at least what I've been able to manage...

I use a SnB and lightening staff combo on my hyrbridish templar...

SnB provides some great survivability up close, and, a staff really helps sustain ranged fighting...

They were viable back when we had soft caps on all our stats. Honestly I hated soft caps though. It wasn't so much that hybrids were good, it was just that any pure build was artificially weakened down to roughly the same effectiveness as hybrids.

VaranisArano wrote: »

Viable for what? The right hybrid build (You'll want Pelinal's Aptitude more than TBS, most likely) is viable for overland content and normal dungeons. Depending on your role, it might be viable for veteran dungeons, tank ill probably be the easiest role to make it work. Trials will take a lot of player skill to make it work. For PVP, again, player skill will make the biggest difference.

The reason all the build you see go all stamina or all magicka is because power of your spells increases with max magicka and the power of your stamina abilities increases with max stamina. So its much, much more efficient and effective to put all attributes into the ability you are using, unless you are a high health tank build.

So I have been looking into this pelinal's aptitude set and seems like this is what im looking for. Spitting all the points into magic and then getting the weapon damage for it so i can use a couple of melee skills. Or vice thanks alot for the this armor suggestion

My main issue with it is getting major brutality and sorcery. Only sorcs and dks can have both with 1 skill and not give up pot flexibility. Both of those classes have terrible stamina class morphs.

I did a dk in axiom fb and amber jewels, 2 body, then used bloodspawn. It was mediocre, didn't try it in no cp tho.

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

My main issue with it is getting major brutality and sorcery. Only sorcs and dks can have both with 1 skill and not give up pot flexibility. Both of those classes have terrible stamina class morphs.

I did a dk in axiom fb and amber jewels, 2 body, then used bloodspawn. It was mediocre, didn't try it in no cp tho.

Oh, see, I love my stamina sorcs. Hurricane FTW! Dark Deal is pretty awesome too.

I don't play my Stam Sorcs as hybrids, but an easy hybrid build for overland content would be Hurricane, weapon skills, Crit Surge, and Mage's Fury for the execute. Stam Sorcs also make effective hybrid tanks, with Encase as a magicka crowd control spell.

I haven't used them much in PVP though.

If you use Pelinal's, you don't need both major brutality or major sorcery. Your spell and weapon damage are equal, so if you buff weapon damage, you also buff spell damage --> because these two stats are equal.

I have made a "paladin" type build with a hybrid templar using pelinal, but i went weapon dmg and had spell dmg follow. I used 2h/bow. Templar is nice because you can cleanse yourself. The other cleanse is too costly. I had weapon dmg arond 3k - but the build and my stats could have been tweaked. extra skills are nice...for example I could get a quick heal with bol, apply both vampire's bane and the bow poison dot. I was doing this with 2med, 5 hvy. The build is nice, but the biggest problem is regen for both pools. When you spread out build resources, you lose somewhere else.

If you think of the D&D 'Paladin" - the class has utility but has attackes capped at +2. So if you consider you are not going to do quite as much dmg as a min/max build, you are fine. Hopefully the extra utility levels it out. However...in pvp - dmg is king. If you can't escape or mitigate the dmg u die. very simple. so if your skills are less all around, you are going to get less bang for your resource spent on a skill. I like 2h/bow stam build with Pelinal's...you can use 2h heal and still hit bol.

The hybrid is very surviveable. This might also be good if you go snb/dw. with this build you could get 2 5pc sets + 2pc monster helm set. Plus, you already have the spear attack, so u dont need much else.

Pelinal's may work very well on a sorc or nb. sorc. Again, i think the best bet is to go stam, wear heavier armor, and be able to supplement with magicka skills. for example, sorc has a cheap execute, so you could have curse and fury on your target while u crit rush or snipe them. Plus the daedric pets would be interesting with ahybrid build.

NB would have extra heals because you could use siphoning. NB also gets the passive 15% mag/stam/hlth regen.

These hybrid builds are alot of fun if you are questing, and doing dungeons etc. In pvp it makes you more surviveable.

I had fun just experimenting with it. I still have my pelinal's. I mainly used this on a high elf to get the passive magicka regen and the 2h/bow. However, i think imperial would be the best race - just for the max stats. You can put stats elsewhere with the imperial racial passives - because you are maximizing stam/health. You can use more regen, or whatever.

Lastly - the hybrid build should be using tri-state food. you need the max stats for your off pool (mag/stam). This means you need to included regen in your build.

Building a hybrid is like putting together a puzzle. it is doable. i think nb or sorc would be interesting - i have yet to run those classes.

cgolden1a wrote: »

So ive been been looking up builds on you tube and i really only see all magicka or stamina builds. I was wanted to make a all round templar that used sword and board, and a 2 hander. I was looking at a base set like twice born star, but something tells me this is just a dream. So, i was wondering has hybrid builds ever been viable?

Everyone will say no to hybrid for tough content
YET look at the popular builds for PvP. Tri Pots, tri stat food, shackle, amberplasm & EG lol

I don't know if @JackDaniell still does hybrid builds but that's a good place to start.

Stacking a magicka floor Dot and a stamina floor dot is almost the same damage as all points into one stat. But you get the regeneration of both pools.

However, a few other things scale from the pool like self heals. And some skills work only with one or the other weapon like Lotus. And i think high crits work better with one pool.

I would put as much as possible in one pool and a little in the other pool if the build requires it. Like a StamDen who wants to use Frost Cloack, Vines and Lotus. Then 9k magicka are maybe not enough.

Yes, 2014. Softcaps and non-existing stam morphs for class skills made it possible..