Idea for Crafting Bag Alternative

Anatnem · March 2018

As I've heard alot of people complain that the crafting bag is limited to ESO+ and understand that is the main thing that draws people to subscribe, how's about an alternative to players who don't sub every month - the bank crafting bag.

Its just an idea but I know more than one person that will drop $15-$20 on some sort of crafting bag. So to balance it for those who don't sub, it can be done like this:
• ESO+ members will have their crafting bag that functions as it is doing now - auto deposit resources as you pick them up and so on
• Crown Store offers Crafting Bag Bank Tab for 1500 crowns or so which is an extra tab in the bank for your crafting resources that you can deposit into when you access your bank.

Its more a quality of life thing I think than anything that will be great to see in ESO for those who are willing to spend but dont want to sub.

VaranisArano · March 2018

So, you mean like an automatically depositing Banker assistant?

Anatnem · March 2018

No no. When you current an ESO+ member, you have the crafting bag which automatically stores crafting resources into it when you collect them.

I mean for those who don't subscribe - an extra tab on your bank that's just for crafting resources as a crown store add-on you can buy. So you can only deposit stuff into it when you at the bank in terms of crafting resources (metal, wood, runes, ect.) that functions like the crafting bag that ESO+ members get.

Make better sense?

VaranisArano · March 2018

Anatnem wrote: »

No no. When you current an ESO+ member, you have the crafting bag which automatically stores crafting resources into it when you collect them.

I mean for those who don't subscribe - an extra tab on your bank that's just for crafting resources as a crown store add-on you can buy. So you can only deposit stuff into it when you at the bank in terms of crafting resources (metal, wood, runes, ect.) that functions like the crafting bag that ESO+ members get.

Make better sense?

So, the bank now has an unlimited space to store crafting ingredients just like the crafting bag, only its slightly less convenient because you have to go to a bank/banker to deposit it?

I'm pretty sure that convenience isn't the main selling point of the Crafting Bag. I'm pretty sure that getting unlimited storage of crafting mats is the main selling point of the Crafting Bag, for which people pay the monthly fee.

Anatnem · March 2018

The point of the idea is so that your bank has more purpose for non-subs than just being a crafting bag to which most that don't sub use it for. It doesn't have to function exactly like the crafting bag but similar. Even if you have to upgrade the tab the same way as your bank with gold, there are balances that can be made to make it that way.

Also if you in the middle of a dungeon or delve and your bags are full of crafting stuff, going to the bank is a massive inconvenience, to be honest. ESO+ removes that with the point of having the crafting bag so it doesn't clutter your current inventory. That is called a convenience to me, even if you don't see it that way. But that's also your way of seeing it.

This is an idea, suggestion. Not a demand. I would just like to see somethings in the crown store that can improve the quality of life for those who can't or don't want to subscribe monthly.

Slurg · March 2018

There is already a workaround for this. When I want to refill my crafting bag, I spend $15 to subscribe for one month and farm and buy lots of mats during that time.

Also the personal banker is very handy to have in dungeons.

Anatnem · March 2018

We all know about the workaround but that's not the point. It shouldn't be overly needed. The point of the crafting bag add-on is so you can have an actual bank again to store armor and stuff and your bank not being only for your crafting mats or subscription be overly needed to fully enjoy the game in all its might and glory. Some people can't or don't subscribe since there is either limited funding or time for it.

Also, $50 (1500 crowns = $15, so 50 000 crowns = $50 excluding your country tax) for the banker isn't something everyone can spend once off. It may not seem that much for the US citizen but outside of the country, it gets costly for the average player to have something like it as an add-on. To put this in perspective, the minimum wage of most countries outside of 1st world countries are around $350 per month. So dropping $50 on a game add-on isn't exactly the simplest of expenses.

This is the point of the idea. Something that most people will be happy to spend a little bit of money on that still will avoid making the game pay to win or making ESO+ mundane. It's an add-on idea. I play with quite a few people that have mentioned they would love ESO more if things like this was an option.

Sawzallz · March 2018

How about a Ingame craft bag that has limited spaces

strangeradnd · March 2018

As the bag is the biggest reason to subscribe I don't think this is very likely to happen. If it were I would expect more restrictions. One of them could be your must be deposited directly idea another might be to put caps on the quantities, say stacks of 200 on base materials like ores, wood and water and a cap of 100 on the others like flowers and trait materials.

Anatnem · March 2018

If its something that could potentially make your bank be a bank and not a massive crafting bag, I don't see the problem with it. If the idea would ever be implemented, restrictions would apply I'm sure. Whether its a limit on the number/amount of mats or specific mats that are put into it. Either way, it would be nice to have the option for something like it. If i did my count correct, the bank fully upgraded isn't even big enough to hold all your mats.

VaranisArano · March 2018

Anatnem wrote: »

If its something that could potentially make your bank be a bank and not a massive crafting bag, I don't see the problem with it. If the idea would ever be implemented, restrictions would apply I'm sure. Whether its a limit on the number/amount of mats or specific mats that are put into it. Either way, it would be nice to have the option for something like it. If i did my count correct, the bank fully upgraded isn't even big enough to hold all your mats.

Which suggests to me that ZOS has many reasons to encourage people to sub in order to get the crafting bag and very few reasons to create intermediate crafting bags which people could get for one-time-only purchases.

Would your suggestion be great for quality of life of players who don't want to sub? Yeah, sure. However, I suspect that ZOS cares far more about encouraging players to sub. If you want the crafting bag, you have to sub and that's a moneymaker right there/ Why would ZOS want to dilute the draw of the crafting bag for players?

Anotherone773 · March 2018

As an ESO + member i would not be very happy if those without subs got a version that was slightly less convenient. Its $15 a month. If you play 6 hours a week that is 62 cents for every hour played or 50 cents a day. If you cannot afford $15 a month then you have bigger issues than where to stick your crafting items in ESO and should probably focus on that area of your life more.

I could afford a sub even when i was poor. Eat ramen noodles for lunch for a week instead of whatever and boom $15 saved.

Anatnem · March 2018

I still think you missing the point to this or just in the mood to argue with someone. I see your point that Zeni wouldn't do something like this if it's exactly like the crafting bag you get with ESO+ but that's why the title is called "ALTERNATIVE". Also, what you are implying is that the only reason to sub to an ESO+ membership is just to have the crafting bag and that the rest of the benefits of:
Access to all DLC | Free crowns of 1500 | Double Bank Space | More gold & xp | Bonus to crafting | More furniture space | Costume Dying | Transmutation crystals
are all redundant factors to have and not worth it if you don't have the crafting bag? ESO+ is still pretty powerful even excluding its own crafting bag.

Again, I am not saying make the bag the same as the ESO+ one. I am saying make a mini diluted version of it for players who can't or don't want to sub so their bank doesn't become a crafting bag. If you have a limited crafting bag, and they want a better one, it might get more people subbing just to have that luxury. Otherwise, you deal with what you have.

This is what it means to sub in any game - you get more luxury or benefits than what the non-subbed player gets but for the average player, it would be nice to see some quality of life add-ons that are available through the crown store.There are players who have never subbed that will get the option to experience what the crafting bag does or players that only pick up the trial subbing. Not every player can afford to sub or don't want to sub as they know they have limited time to play per month. This is something of an alternative for those players.

Anotherone773 · March 2018

Anatnem wrote: »

Also, what you are implying is that the only reason to sub to an ESO+ membership is just to have the crafting bag and that the rest of the benefits of:
Access to all DLC | Free crowns of 1500 | Double Bank Space | More gold & xp | Bonus to crafting | More furniture space | Costume Dying | Transmutation crystals
are all redundant factors to have and not worth it if you don't have the crafting bag? ESO+ is still pretty powerful even excluding its own crafting bag.

The crafting bag is a pretty big draw. I subbed within 3 days of starting to play because i had inventory management issues and hate inventory management issues. I dont want to constantly mess with inventory in a game. I want to play the game not become a professional organizer and an expert at " The Container Store" . Even with ESO plus i still have to manage inventory, just not as often.

ZOS provided you two options. You can sub to ESO plus or you can put all your stuff in storage chests in a house and use your bank exactly as you are implying. A limited space crafting bag. You get 360 slots in chests and you can buy them for vouchers, dont even need to spend crowns.

Anatnem wrote: »

This is what it means to sub in any game - you get more luxury or benefits than what the non-subbed player gets but for the average player, it would be nice to see some quality of life add-ons that are available through the crown store.There are players who have never subbed that will get the option to experience what the crafting bag does or players that only pick up the trial subbing. Not every player can afford to sub or don't want to sub as they know they have limited time to play per month. This is something of an alternative for those players.

Actually subs are normally all inclusive whereas, if free play is offered, its often very limited more as an unlimited trial than free play. ESO uses a hybrid system pay as much as you want to play and get more benefits by spending more.

As i said above. If you play 6 hours a week your spending about 60 cents an hour....60 cents or its 50 cents a day for access.

I understand not everyone lives in a "well to do " country. But i have to look at this logically. If you have internet, a modern computer, and all the associated infrastructure to support playing the game AND you bought the game, then $15 a month should definitely be an option for you. If its not then i guess just be happy you are able to afford to play. Like i said, ZOS provided additional storage options for you that will help a person on a budget.

VaranisArano · March 2018

Anatnem wrote: »

I still think you missing the point to this or just in the mood to argue with someone. I see your point that Zeni wouldn't do something like this if it's exactly like the crafting bag you get with ESO+ but that's why the title is called "ALTERNATIVE". Also, what you are implying is that the only reason to sub to an ESO+ membership is just to have the crafting bag and that the rest of the benefits of:
Access to all DLC | Free crowns of 1500 | Double Bank Space | More gold & xp | Bonus to crafting | More furniture space | Costume Dying | Transmutation crystals
are all redundant factors to have and not worth it if you don't have the crafting bag? ESO+ is still pretty powerful even excluding its own crafting bag.

Again, I am not saying make the bag the same as the ESO+ one. I am saying make a mini diluted version of it for players who can't or don't want to sub so their bank doesn't become a crafting bag. If you have a limited crafting bag, and they want a better one, it might get more people subbing just to have that luxury. Otherwise, you deal with what you have.

This is what it means to sub in any game - you get more luxury or benefits than what the non-subbed player gets but for the average player, it would be nice to see some quality of life add-ons that are available through the crown store.There are players who have never subbed that will get the option to experience what the crafting bag does or players that only pick up the trial subbing. Not every player can afford to sub or don't want to sub as they know they have limited time to play per month. This is something of an alternative for those players.

There are certainly other benefits that subbing gives. However, the crafting bag is a major draw for people to subscribe. Its definitely one of the few tangible benefits that you can't outright buy (more furniture slots and doubled bank space being the others, since costume dyeing is purely cosmetic)

With that in mind, why should ZOS dilute the "brand" of the ESO+ sub in order to give other players the option to get a less-good crafting bag?

Its not about whether or not such a thing would be good for players - it certainly would. Its about whether or not adding such a thing would lower the amount of players who subscribe, and I do think that it would. Therefore, I don't expect ZOS to add such a thing to the game.

Its sub for the crafting bag or make do with what you have because that sells more ESO+ subscriptions. ZOS cares a lot more about that than they do about making inventory management problems easier, because it players care enough about their inventory management issues, they'll subscribe.

Anatnem · March 2018

Anotherone773 wrote: »

The crafting bag is a pretty big draw. I subbed within 3 days of starting to play because i had inventory management issues and hate inventory management issues. I dont want to constantly mess with inventory in a game. I want to play the game not become a professional organizer and an expert at " The Container Store" . Even with ESO plus i still have to manage inventory, just not as often.

ZOS provided you two options. You can sub to ESO plus or you can put all your stuff in storage chests in a house and use your bank exactly as you are implying. A limited space crafting bag. You get 360 slots in chests and you can buy them for vouchers, dont even need to spend crowns.

Getting to the point of master crafting to get the vouchers take a long ass time. It dont just happen overnight. This points back to the factor of time. Most people dont have it. I understand as most MMO's isnt a "quick game" that you can open, play and finish it. That would go against the point of being an MMO but in the time you spend trying to manage your stuff, some people will just go "Nah, dont care anymore" and go play something else.

Anotherone773 wrote: »

Actually subs are normally all inclusive whereas, if free play is offered, its often very limited more as an unlimited trial than free play. ESO uses a hybrid system pay as much as you want to play and get more benefits by spending more.

As i said above. If you play 6 hours a week your spending about 60 cents an hour....60 cents or its 50 cents a day for access.

I understand not everyone lives in a "well to do " country. But i have to look at this logically. If you have internet, a modern computer, and all the associated infrastructure to support playing the game AND you bought the game, then $15 a month should definitely be an option for you. If its not then i guess just be happy you are able to afford to play. Like i said, ZOS provided additional storage options for you that will help a person on a budget.

"Well to do" country? As mentioned before, the minimum salary for most non-1st world countries is $350pm. Internet costs for a slow internet line speed (2-4mb/s) is $50pm excluding tax and installation. Modern computer - parts need to be imported, you spend around $1k-$2k for a decent system so that takes a while to either save up or slowly build it piece by piece. The average rent pm you look at about $150-$200 for a room based or bachelor flat. And from that minimum wage salary, you still have to buy food, pay other bills and some expenses. As I understand this is not your problem, I just thought I make you aware of these kinds of things. Its not as simple as just saying "Oh, you can afford that $12pm". For some its not that easy that really want to play. Hence suggesting an alternative to the bag instead of just saying "let us buy the crafting bag with crowns".