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What is Solo PVP about?
Pelican
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Here I summarised it in one picture.
Hope this helps!
Edited by Pelican on March 10, 2018 7:31AM Hope this helps!
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Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Solo pvp in 2018 means you're a nb/sorc main , other classes aren't capable of solo PvP anymore.
Wİth the exception of stamden being overloaded with literally every minor+major buff in the game.3 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If you wanted a guaranteed 1v1, you should hang out near the Undaunted Camps and spam duel requests.
Otherwise, you can't be too suprised when your solo play in Cyrodiil starts looking more like a failed 1vX.0 -
Lynx7386✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Solo PvP is watching your life flash before your eyes as you get rolled over by a giant ball of bunny hopping bombers wearing bath towels.PS4 / NA
M'asad - Khajiit Nightblade - Healer
Pakhet - Khajiit Dragonknight - Tank
Raksha - Khajiit Sorcerer - Stamina DPS
Bastet - Khajiit Templar - Healer
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Lexxypwns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Solo pvp in 2018 means you're a nb/sorc main , other classes aren't capable of solo PvP anymore.
Wİth the exception of stamden being overloaded with literally every minor+major buff in the game.
Stamplar is also viable solo2 -
Maryal✭✭✭✭✭
✭One person is a player
PVP means player vs player (2 persons)
Solo means something done by one person alone
One person alone cannot pvp
Therefore, there is no such thing as 'solo pvp'
Edited by Maryal on March 9, 2018 6:00PM4 -
Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Solo pvp in 2018 means you're a nb/sorc main , other classes aren't capable of solo PvP anymore.
Wİth the exception of stamden being overloaded with literally every minor+major buff in the game.
Stamplar is also viable solo
2x better in a group tho. jabs jabs jabs power of the cheese and good luck to the tank thats eating all that burst.Edited by Ragnarock41 on March 9, 2018 9:49PM0 -
Lexxypwns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Solo pvp in 2018 means you're a nb/sorc main , other classes aren't capable of solo PvP anymore.
Wİth the exception of stamden being overloaded with literally every minor+major buff in the game.
Stamplar is also viable solo
2x better in a group tho. jabs jabs jabs power of the cheese and good luck to the tank thats eating all that burst.
Everything is better in a group...4 -
Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Solo pvp in 2018 means you're a nb/sorc main , other classes aren't capable of solo PvP anymore.
Wİth the exception of stamden being overloaded with literally every minor+major buff in the game.
Stamplar is also viable solo
2x better in a group tho. jabs jabs jabs power of the cheese and good luck to the tank thats eating all that burst.
Everything is better in a group...
This mentality works on cyro, but not in bgs. on a bg team you have 4 slots, and every player is important.0 -
Lexxypwns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Solo pvp in 2018 means you're a nb/sorc main , other classes aren't capable of solo PvP anymore.
Wİth the exception of stamden being overloaded with literally every minor+major buff in the game.
Stamplar is also viable solo
2x better in a group tho. jabs jabs jabs power of the cheese and good luck to the tank thats eating all that burst.
Everything is better in a group...
This mentality works on cyro, but not in bgs. on a bg team you have 4 slots, and every player is important.
Other than purify what does stamplar have that stam warden doesn’t?
Stamplar is great solo because you have mobility and AoE burst, you have purify to counter defiles that cripple most stam builds. DB+Jabs is lethal and bleeds are super strong, PotL counters block. Stamplar soft counters every magika spec except mageblade with part of its kit, a kit that is more complete than stam DK and Stam Sorc. Of course, stam warden better counters block and has bigger aoe burst and higher concurrent damage...Edited by Lexxypwns on March 10, 2018 12:04AM1 -
TheDoomsdayMonster✭✭✭✭✭Strange...
I solo PvP on my Magicka Templar all the time, have a blast doing it, and am very successful...
Now granted, I cant run around in the open out of stealth accepting all challenges, but as long as I play (ironically) like a pseudo Nightblade and carefully pick where, when, and who I fight...my success rate is very high (Dark Stalker + significant resources dedicated to Sneak Cost reduction have made my Magicka Nightplar a successful reality).
I firmly believe that solo PvP is alive and well for any class as long as you have a proper build and play intelligently...Edited by TheDoomsdayMonster on March 10, 2018 6:16AMUnyeilding Bias
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✭✭✭✭If you are not wearing a big sign that says "Zerg Me Now" on your back then you are doing it wrong.
It helps the blob of pvpers to know who to get when someone yells, "Get Him!"F_16C_VIPER wrote: »I'll summarize in 2 pictures
I see what you did there.
Fan of playing magblade since 2015. (PC NA)
Might be joking in comments.
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Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Solo pvp in 2018 means you're a nb/sorc main , other classes aren't capable of solo PvP anymore.
Wİth the exception of stamden being overloaded with literally every minor+major buff in the game.
Stamplar is also viable solo
2x better in a group tho. jabs jabs jabs power of the cheese and good luck to the tank thats eating all that burst.
Everything is better in a group...
This mentality works on cyro, but not in bgs. on a bg team you have 4 slots, and every player is important.
Other than purify what does stamplar have that stam warden doesn’t?
Stamplar is great solo because you have mobility and AoE burst, you have purify to counter defiles that cripple most stam builds. DB+Jabs is lethal and bleeds are super strong, PotL counters block. Stamplar soft counters every magika spec except mageblade with part of its kit, a kit that is more complete than stam DK and Stam Sorc. Of course, stam warden better counters block and has bigger aoe burst and higher concurrent damage...
Now what you say makes it look like stamsorc/DK isn't played because stamden exists, which is true to a degree but stamDK is mostly not played because It is garbage on its own, Its garbage because its garbage. Its incomplete, left in a crippled state.
stamsorc was mostly abandoned because it was also garbage.(now Ssorc is a lot better with recent buffs).
But look at stamplar, Its an amazing class on itself, Stamden might be very bursty but I can mitigate a stamden combo., I can slowly kill a stamden with my dots and defiles. but a stamplar will just laugh and purify all of it.
And not to mention power of the cheese.0 -
Skander✭✭✭✭✭
✭I solo pvp as a magplar without mistform
Praise my stupidity braveryEdited by Skander on March 10, 2018 6:44PMI meme, but my memes are so truthful they hurt
-Elder Nightblades Online
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Lexxypwns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Solo pvp in 2018 means you're a nb/sorc main , other classes aren't capable of solo PvP anymore.
Wİth the exception of stamden being overloaded with literally every minor+major buff in the game.
Stamplar is also viable solo
2x better in a group tho. jabs jabs jabs power of the cheese and good luck to the tank thats eating all that burst.
Everything is better in a group...
This mentality works on cyro, but not in bgs. on a bg team you have 4 slots, and every player is important.
Other than purify what does stamplar have that stam warden doesn’t?
Stamplar is great solo because you have mobility and AoE burst, you have purify to counter defiles that cripple most stam builds. DB+Jabs is lethal and bleeds are super strong, PotL counters block. Stamplar soft counters every magika spec except mageblade with part of its kit, a kit that is more complete than stam DK and Stam Sorc. Of course, stam warden better counters block and has bigger aoe burst and higher concurrent damage...
Now what you say makes it look like stamsorc/DK isn't played because stamden exists, which is true to a degree but stamDK is mostly not played because It is garbage on its own, Its garbage because its garbage. Its incomplete, left in a crippled state.
stamsorc was mostly abandoned because it was also garbage.(now Ssorc is a lot better with recent buffs).
But look at stamplar, Its an amazing class on itself, Stamden might be very bursty but I can mitigate a stamden combo., I can slowly kill a stamden with my dots and defiles. but a stamplar will just laugh and purify all of it.
And not to mention power of the cheese.
Stam Sorc and stam DK have the same problems, except stam DK also has relatively bad sustain(the two Templar specs are worse though). They lack a non-ult burst mechanic, an answer to defile, any significant concurrent damage, and lack of a class spammable. The stamplar has bad sustain but it’s got all of the other things, the stamden has great sustain, lacks an answer to defile, but has concurrent damage and non-ult burst at extreme levels and it’s the only class that can run heavy, use Forward momentum and still have an instant cast burst heal.
Overall stamplar, imo, requires the most skill to survive against of all non-NB stam specs and if you rely on DoTs+Defile for kills it’s also very very difficult to take down. This means you have to capitalize on the bad sustain, which is hard to do open world when he can LoS you then mash X pugs with a Dawny+Jabs combo and get a repentance and hard to do in duels where if you can’t kite the Jabs you’re going to have trouble competing.Edited by Lexxypwns on March 10, 2018 6:58PM0 -
ofSunhold✭✭✭✭✭Aw. I can't forum. feelsbadmanEdited by ofSunhold on March 10, 2018 7:23PMClasses that don't need any class ability nerfs: Nightblades, Dragonknights, Sorcs, Templars, Wardens.0 -
Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Solo pvp in 2018 means you're a nb/sorc main , other classes aren't capable of solo PvP anymore.
Wİth the exception of stamden being overloaded with literally every minor+major buff in the game.
Stamplar is also viable solo
2x better in a group tho. jabs jabs jabs power of the cheese and good luck to the tank thats eating all that burst.
Everything is better in a group...
This mentality works on cyro, but not in bgs. on a bg team you have 4 slots, and every player is important.
Other than purify what does stamplar have that stam warden doesn’t?
Stamplar is great solo because you have mobility and AoE burst, you have purify to counter defiles that cripple most stam builds. DB+Jabs is lethal and bleeds are super strong, PotL counters block. Stamplar soft counters every magika spec except mageblade with part of its kit, a kit that is more complete than stam DK and Stam Sorc. Of course, stam warden better counters block and has bigger aoe burst and higher concurrent damage...
Now what you say makes it look like stamsorc/DK isn't played because stamden exists, which is true to a degree but stamDK is mostly not played because It is garbage on its own, Its garbage because its garbage. Its incomplete, left in a crippled state.
stamsorc was mostly abandoned because it was also garbage.(now Ssorc is a lot better with recent buffs).
But look at stamplar, Its an amazing class on itself, Stamden might be very bursty but I can mitigate a stamden combo., I can slowly kill a stamden with my dots and defiles. but a stamplar will just laugh and purify all of it.
And not to mention power of the cheese.
Stam Sorc and stam DK have the same problems, except stam DK also has relatively bad sustain(the two Templar specs are worse though). They lack a non-ult burst mechanic, an answer to defile, any significant concurrent damage, and lack of a class spammable. The stamplar has bad sustain but it’s got all of the other things, the stamden has great sustain, lacks an answer to defile, but has concurrent damage and non-ult burst at extreme levels and it’s the only class that can run heavy, use Forward momentum and still have an instant cast burst heal.
Overall stamplar, imo, requires the most skill to survive against of all non-NB stam specs and if you rely on DoTs+Defile for kills it’s also very very difficult to take down. This means you have to capitalize on the bad sustain, which is hard to do open world when he can LoS you then mash X pugs with a Dawny+Jabs combo and get a repentance and hard to do in duels where if you can’t kite the Jabs you’re going to have trouble competing.
so in a nutshell, like every other match-up, stamDK gets a hard time against it. Its really not a suprise.Edited by Ragnarock41 on March 10, 2018 10:10PM0 -
Jura23✭✭✭✭✭
✭TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Strange...
I solo PvP on my Magicka Templar all the time, have a blast doing it, and am very successful...
Now granted, I cant run around in the open out of stealth accepting all challenges, but as long as I play (ironically) like a pseudo Nightblade and carefully pick where, when, and who I fight...my success rate is very high (Dark Stalker + significant resources dedicated to Sneak Cost reduction have made my Magicka Nightplar a successful reality).
I firmly believe that solo PvP is alive and well for any class as long as you have a proper build and play intelligently...
I couldn't agree more.Georgion - Bosmer/Templar - PC/EU1 -
LegendaryMage✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Solo pvp in 2018 means you're a nb/sorc main , other classes aren't capable of solo PvP anymore.
Wİth the exception of stamden being overloaded with literally every minor+major buff in the game.
Stamplar is also viable solo
2x better in a group tho. jabs jabs jabs power of the cheese and good luck to the tank thats eating all that burst.
Everything is better in a group...
This mentality works on cyro, but not in bgs. on a bg team you have 4 slots, and every player is important.
Other than purify what does stamplar have that stam warden doesn’t?
Stamplar is great solo because you have mobility and AoE burst, you have purify to counter defiles that cripple most stam builds. DB+Jabs is lethal and bleeds are super strong, PotL counters block. Stamplar soft counters every magika spec except mageblade with part of its kit, a kit that is more complete than stam DK and Stam Sorc. Of course, stam warden better counters block and has bigger aoe burst and higher concurrent damage...
Now what you say makes it look like stamsorc/DK isn't played because stamden exists, which is true to a degree but stamDK is mostly not played because It is garbage on its own, Its garbage because its garbage. Its incomplete, left in a crippled state.
stamsorc was mostly abandoned because it was also garbage.(now Ssorc is a lot better with recent buffs).
But look at stamplar, Its an amazing class on itself, Stamden might be very bursty but I can mitigate a stamden combo., I can slowly kill a stamden with my dots and defiles. but a stamplar will just laugh and purify all of it.
And not to mention power of the cheese.
Stam Sorc and stam DK have the same problems, except stam DK also has relatively bad sustain(the two Templar specs are worse though). They lack a non-ult burst mechanic, an answer to defile, any significant concurrent damage, and lack of a class spammable. The stamplar has bad sustain but it’s got all of the other things, the stamden has great sustain, lacks an answer to defile, but has concurrent damage and non-ult burst at extreme levels and it’s the only class that can run heavy, use Forward momentum and still have an instant cast burst heal.
Overall stamplar, imo, requires the most skill to survive against of all non-NB stam specs and if you rely on DoTs+Defile for kills it’s also very very difficult to take down. This means you have to capitalize on the bad sustain, which is hard to do open world when he can LoS you then mash X pugs with a Dawny+Jabs combo and get a repentance and hard to do in duels where if you can’t kite the Jabs you’re going to have trouble competing.
Stamplars need their blazing shield back. With that, they would be monsters that they used to be some years ago.
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Lexxypwns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Solo pvp in 2018 means you're a nb/sorc main , other classes aren't capable of solo PvP anymore.
Wİth the exception of stamden being overloaded with literally every minor+major buff in the game.
Stamplar is also viable solo
2x better in a group tho. jabs jabs jabs power of the cheese and good luck to the tank thats eating all that burst.
Everything is better in a group...
This mentality works on cyro, but not in bgs. on a bg team you have 4 slots, and every player is important.
Other than purify what does stamplar have that stam warden doesn’t?
Stamplar is great solo because you have mobility and AoE burst, you have purify to counter defiles that cripple most stam builds. DB+Jabs is lethal and bleeds are super strong, PotL counters block. Stamplar soft counters every magika spec except mageblade with part of its kit, a kit that is more complete than stam DK and Stam Sorc. Of course, stam warden better counters block and has bigger aoe burst and higher concurrent damage...
Now what you say makes it look like stamsorc/DK isn't played because stamden exists, which is true to a degree but stamDK is mostly not played because It is garbage on its own, Its garbage because its garbage. Its incomplete, left in a crippled state.
stamsorc was mostly abandoned because it was also garbage.(now Ssorc is a lot better with recent buffs).
But look at stamplar, Its an amazing class on itself, Stamden might be very bursty but I can mitigate a stamden combo., I can slowly kill a stamden with my dots and defiles. but a stamplar will just laugh and purify all of it.
And not to mention power of the cheese.
Stam Sorc and stam DK have the same problems, except stam DK also has relatively bad sustain(the two Templar specs are worse though). They lack a non-ult burst mechanic, an answer to defile, any significant concurrent damage, and lack of a class spammable. The stamplar has bad sustain but it’s got all of the other things, the stamden has great sustain, lacks an answer to defile, but has concurrent damage and non-ult burst at extreme levels and it’s the only class that can run heavy, use Forward momentum and still have an instant cast burst heal.
Overall stamplar, imo, requires the most skill to survive against of all non-NB stam specs and if you rely on DoTs+Defile for kills it’s also very very difficult to take down. This means you have to capitalize on the bad sustain, which is hard to do open world when he can LoS you then mash X pugs with a Dawny+Jabs combo and get a repentance and hard to do in duels where if you can’t kite the Jabs you’re going to have trouble competing.
so in a nutshell, like every other match-up, stamDK gets a hard time against it. Its really not a suprise.
Well, permablock DKs can soft counter Jabs by getting DoTs on during the Templar offensive phase then blocking jabs for spiked armor damage return, but you then have to time that with a leap-executioner or leap-power lash combo. And really even that requires the Templar to over-extended offensively.
Overall for stam DK, my personal opinion is the lack of killing power comes down to a lack of concurrent damage and the lack of any burst mechanic aside from leap, which is predictable and can be blocked.
The stamblade and stamplar posses something the other stam specs don’t, a means to counter defile+befoul stacking. Stamblade by forcing crit heals with cloak, which gives you effectively a 70%+ healing bonus from your CHD modifier and Stamplar by using extended ritual. Magika specs, other than DK which can’t usually fit a shield stack, all have a soft counter to defile+befoul via either ritual or stacking shields. This leaves stam DK, sorc, and warden as the only specs lacking a counter to defile meta. Stam warden has the only complete offensive kit of the bunch, highest uptime major mending, major heroism, minor protection, best healing, etc.
Unfortunately that leaves Stam Sorc and Stam DK as the most vulnerable specs against meta builds. Stam sorcs somewhat mitigate that with excellent mobility and dark deal sustain, that allows you to pack in more damage than a stam DK can.0 -
NyassaV✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Solo pvp in 2018 means you're a nb/sorc main , other classes aren't capable of solo PvP anymore.
Wİth the exception of stamden being overloaded with literally every minor+major buff in the game.
Nightblade and sorc are the classes built to do damage. Mind you sorc is lacking in the offensive category. Templar and DK are supposed to be more support and defense orientedFlawless Conqueror ~ Grand OverlordShe/Her ~ PC/NA | I record things for fun and for info1 -
ak_pvp✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Solo pvp in 2018 means you're a nb/sorc main , other classes aren't capable of solo PvP anymore.
Wİth the exception of stamden being overloaded with literally every minor+major buff in the game.
Stamplar is also viable solo
2x better in a group tho. jabs jabs jabs power of the cheese and good luck to the tank thats eating all that burst.
Everything is better in a group...
This mentality works on cyro, but not in bgs. on a bg team you have 4 slots, and every player is important.
Other than purify what does stamplar have that stam warden doesn’t?
Stamplar is great solo because you have mobility and AoE burst, you have purify to counter defiles that cripple most stam builds. DB+Jabs is lethal and bleeds are super strong, PotL counters block. Stamplar soft counters every magika spec except mageblade with part of its kit, a kit that is more complete than stam DK and Stam Sorc. Of course, stam warden better counters block and has bigger aoe burst and higher concurrent damage...
Now what you say makes it look like stamsorc/DK isn't played because stamden exists, which is true to a degree but stamDK is mostly not played because It is garbage on its own, Its garbage because its garbage. Its incomplete, left in a crippled state.
stamsorc was mostly abandoned because it was also garbage.(now Ssorc is a lot better with recent buffs).
But look at stamplar, Its an amazing class on itself, Stamden might be very bursty but I can mitigate a stamden combo., I can slowly kill a stamden with my dots and defiles. but a stamplar will just laugh and purify all of it.
And not to mention power of the cheese.
Stam Sorc and stam DK have the same problems, except stam DK also has relatively bad sustain(the two Templar specs are worse though). They lack a non-ult burst mechanic, an answer to defile, any significant concurrent damage, and lack of a class spammable. The stamplar has bad sustain but it’s got all of the other things, the stamden has great sustain, lacks an answer to defile, but has concurrent damage and non-ult burst at extreme levels and it’s the only class that can run heavy, use Forward momentum and still have an instant cast burst heal.
Overall stamplar, imo, requires the most skill to survive against of all non-NB stam specs and if you rely on DoTs+Defile for kills it’s also very very difficult to take down. This means you have to capitalize on the bad sustain, which is hard to do open world when he can LoS you then mash X pugs with a Dawny+Jabs combo and get a repentance and hard to do in duels where if you can’t kite the Jabs you’re going to have trouble competing.
so in a nutshell, like every other match-up, stamDK gets a hard time against it. Its really not a suprise.
Well, permablock DKs can soft counter Jabs by getting DoTs on during the Templar offensive phase then blocking jabs for spiked armor damage return, but you then have to time that with a leap-executioner or leap-power lash combo. And really even that requires the Templar to over-extended offensively.
Overall for stam DK, my personal opinion is the lack of killing power comes down to a lack of concurrent damage and the lack of any burst mechanic aside from leap, which is predictable and can be blocked.
The stamblade and stamplar posses something the other stam specs don’t, a means to counter defile+befoul stacking. Stamblade by forcing crit heals with cloak, which gives you effectively a 70%+ healing bonus from your CHD modifier and Stamplar by using extended ritual. Magika specs, other than DK which can’t usually fit a shield stack, all have a soft counter to defile+befoul via either ritual or stacking shields. This leaves stam DK, sorc, and warden as the only specs lacking a counter to defile meta. Stam warden has the only complete offensive kit of the bunch, highest uptime major mending, major heroism, minor protection, best healing, etc.
Unfortunately that leaves Stam Sorc and Stam DK as the most vulnerable specs against meta builds. Stam sorcs somewhat mitigate that with excellent mobility and dark deal sustain, that allows you to pack in more damage than a stam DK can.
Blocking jabs is awful painful, on a normal build its about 2k stam cost per jabs blocked. Yeah, volatile return is nice, but it only hits at dot level.MagDK main. PC/EU @AK-ESO
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Lexxypwns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Solo pvp in 2018 means you're a nb/sorc main , other classes aren't capable of solo PvP anymore.
Wİth the exception of stamden being overloaded with literally every minor+major buff in the game.
Stamplar is also viable solo
2x better in a group tho. jabs jabs jabs power of the cheese and good luck to the tank thats eating all that burst.
Everything is better in a group...
This mentality works on cyro, but not in bgs. on a bg team you have 4 slots, and every player is important.
Other than purify what does stamplar have that stam warden doesn’t?
Stamplar is great solo because you have mobility and AoE burst, you have purify to counter defiles that cripple most stam builds. DB+Jabs is lethal and bleeds are super strong, PotL counters block. Stamplar soft counters every magika spec except mageblade with part of its kit, a kit that is more complete than stam DK and Stam Sorc. Of course, stam warden better counters block and has bigger aoe burst and higher concurrent damage...
Now what you say makes it look like stamsorc/DK isn't played because stamden exists, which is true to a degree but stamDK is mostly not played because It is garbage on its own, Its garbage because its garbage. Its incomplete, left in a crippled state.
stamsorc was mostly abandoned because it was also garbage.(now Ssorc is a lot better with recent buffs).
But look at stamplar, Its an amazing class on itself, Stamden might be very bursty but I can mitigate a stamden combo., I can slowly kill a stamden with my dots and defiles. but a stamplar will just laugh and purify all of it.
And not to mention power of the cheese.
Stam Sorc and stam DK have the same problems, except stam DK also has relatively bad sustain(the two Templar specs are worse though). They lack a non-ult burst mechanic, an answer to defile, any significant concurrent damage, and lack of a class spammable. The stamplar has bad sustain but it’s got all of the other things, the stamden has great sustain, lacks an answer to defile, but has concurrent damage and non-ult burst at extreme levels and it’s the only class that can run heavy, use Forward momentum and still have an instant cast burst heal.
Overall stamplar, imo, requires the most skill to survive against of all non-NB stam specs and if you rely on DoTs+Defile for kills it’s also very very difficult to take down. This means you have to capitalize on the bad sustain, which is hard to do open world when he can LoS you then mash X pugs with a Dawny+Jabs combo and get a repentance and hard to do in duels where if you can’t kite the Jabs you’re going to have trouble competing.
so in a nutshell, like every other match-up, stamDK gets a hard time against it. Its really not a suprise.
Well, permablock DKs can soft counter Jabs by getting DoTs on during the Templar offensive phase then blocking jabs for spiked armor damage return, but you then have to time that with a leap-executioner or leap-power lash combo. And really even that requires the Templar to over-extended offensively.
Overall for stam DK, my personal opinion is the lack of killing power comes down to a lack of concurrent damage and the lack of any burst mechanic aside from leap, which is predictable and can be blocked.
The stamblade and stamplar posses something the other stam specs don’t, a means to counter defile+befoul stacking. Stamblade by forcing crit heals with cloak, which gives you effectively a 70%+ healing bonus from your CHD modifier and Stamplar by using extended ritual. Magika specs, other than DK which can’t usually fit a shield stack, all have a soft counter to defile+befoul via either ritual or stacking shields. This leaves stam DK, sorc, and warden as the only specs lacking a counter to defile meta. Stam warden has the only complete offensive kit of the bunch, highest uptime major mending, major heroism, minor protection, best healing, etc.
Unfortunately that leaves Stam Sorc and Stam DK as the most vulnerable specs against meta builds. Stam sorcs somewhat mitigate that with excellent mobility and dark deal sustain, that allows you to pack in more damage than a stam DK can.
Blocking jabs is awful painful, on a normal build its about 2k stam cost per jabs blocked. Yeah, volatile return is nice, but it only hits at dot level.
I’m aware, but when you’ve failed you combo previously it’s a means to squeeze just a bit more damage into the combo/before the burst hits. It’s really on sensible on builds that heavily invest into block reduction OR as a last ditch effort because you’re tired of a fight and it’s the only chance you have at a kill.0 -
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✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Solo pvp in 2018 means you're a nb/sorc main , other classes aren't capable of solo PvP anymore.
Wİth the exception of stamden being overloaded with literally every minor+major buff in the game.
Nightblade and sorc are the classes built to do damage. Mind you sorc is lacking in the offensive category. Templar and DK are supposed to be more BORING AND UNDERWHELMING
Now it looks like wrobel made this comment in his mind lol
On a more serious point, this ''Dks should tank, templars should heal'' mentality is what killed those classes in the first place.
Dks should ''hold their grounds'' and templars should ''Protect their houses'' and how are they gonna do that when counterplay is clearly running away in certain cases? And despite saying this, ZOS themselves adding sets like zaan that are totally bonkers.
To be honest don't be deceived by what wrobel says, He changes his mind every 3 months. Sometimes I really wonder if they put him in a closet and only let him out every 3 months and give him like 2 hours to do the balance changes. because It feels that way.
Edited by Ragnarock41 on March 10, 2018 11:37PM0 -
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✭Forward camps pretty much ruined solo play. There far less traffic between keeps that isn't a Zerg-ball.
There was a golden-age years back when forward camps were removed from the game. It meant during battles there was traffic from an alliance's nearest non burst territory when there was a keep battle going on. So solo and small group had lots of skirmishes interfering with enemy reinforcements. Too much "whine" and they were put back in. Taking or keeping keeps took longer and required more overall coordination from the players, but you know how it is. Add a little difficulty or require people to travel without their crutch they CRYYYYYY like...Edited by Vizier on March 10, 2018 11:46PM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I run my Stamplar solo as much or more than my magblade. That something without stealth. It’s just a fun class to play. I see a lot of stamdens and Magic DKs and any NBs out there solo as well0 -
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✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »
To be honest don't be deceived by what wrobel says, He changes his mind every 3 months. Sometimes I really wonder if they put him in a closet and only let him out every 3 months and give him like 2 hours to do the balance changes. because It feels that way.Ragnarock41 wrote: »Solo pvp in 2018 means you're a nb/sorc main , other classes aren't capable of solo PvP anymore.
Wİth the exception of stamden being overloaded with literally every minor+major buff in the game.
Nightblade and sorc are the classes built to do damage. Mind you sorc is lacking in the offensive category. Templar and DK are supposed to be more BORING AND UNDERWHELMING
This. I am not on the Wrobel hate train, I don't think someone should be fired because I disagree with what they do in a game.
But seriously. Tiny, useless balance changes every 3 months that do nothing or impact negatively. One look at some of the balance changes and you can tell, this is a bad idea, this didn't take 3 months of planning and balancing. What is the reason behind this.
Just look at the first dragons blood change. Heals of missing mag... Haha what? Don't get me wrong, I like the synergy changes, but that long to fix something obviously broken? Seriously? And its not like they even code it either. They are just the ideas.
They could rebalance absolutely everything in the balance patches, but instead there are some useless new sets and a couple 2% damage or 5m range tweaks.MagDK main. PC/EU @AK-ESO
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✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »
To be honest don't be deceived by what wrobel says, He changes his mind every 3 months. Sometimes I really wonder if they put him in a closet and only let him out every 3 months and give him like 2 hours to do the balance changes. because It feels that way.Ragnarock41 wrote: »Solo pvp in 2018 means you're a nb/sorc main , other classes aren't capable of solo PvP anymore.
Wİth the exception of stamden being overloaded with literally every minor+major buff in the game.
Nightblade and sorc are the classes built to do damage. Mind you sorc is lacking in the offensive category. Templar and DK are supposed to be more BORING AND UNDERWHELMING
This. I am not on the Wrobel hate train, I don't think someone should be fired because I disagree with what they do in a game.
But seriously. Tiny, useless balance changes every 3 months that do nothing or impact negatively. One look at some of the balance changes and you can tell, this is a bad idea, this didn't take 3 months of planning and balancing. What is the reason behind this.
Just look at the first dragons blood change. Heals of missing mag... Haha what? Don't get me wrong, I like the synergy changes, but that long to fix something obviously broken? Seriously? And its not like they even code it either. They are just the ideas.
They could rebalance absolutely everything in the balance patches, but instead there are some useless new sets and a couple 2% damage or 5m range tweaks.
Thats another issue with this game, when some aspect of your game is broken, or when you make a garbage change that doesnt make any sense, you fix it IMMEDIATELY, not 3 or 12 months later.
I mean if its worse just ROLL IT BACK Mr.Wrobel, why is it so hard to admit you were wrong? BREAK FREE OUT OF YOUR CLOSET!
Oh no you can't because break free is bugged and now you must wait 3 months for the CC to end.
Ah well, I guess we will have to wait for summerset isles now.Edited by Ragnarock41 on March 11, 2018 12:53AM0 -
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✭✭I am more of a PUG leader than a solo pvp player. I collect a bunch of solo players and go raiding.0 -
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✭✭✭✭Here I summarised it in one picture.
Hope this helps!
Hmm, looking at the pic I see one soloer and a group of leet 'small-scalers'Minalan owes me a beer.
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