What's up with pickpocketing on Vvardenfell? (and everywhere else)

CaffeinatedMayhem · March 2018

Pickpocketing on Vvardenfell has been a mess since Update 17 dropped.

1. When no one is around you will be detected. Even when wearing 2 sets of stealth armor. This prevents killing some NPCs unless they are in very specific locations.

2. If an NPC is walking, they will turn around/jump(rubberband)/walk back to a previous location, turn around a few times and then continue after each successful pickpocket. Since we now cannot pickpocket until the target isn't thinking about turning around, this makes pickpocketing massively annoying. E.g .- did you press "A" on the green? Yeah, NPC was *about* to turn around and with lag it happens 2 seconds later.

3. Style material drops are WAY down. Way to go, especially now that there are lots of crafting recipes that requires tons of Bonemould Resin.

Is this going to be addressed or is it "well pickpocketing on Vvardenfell was meant to be challening"?

Enemy-of-Coldharbour · March 2018

I agree. I posted about this earlier. It's been a real mess for awhile now.

CaffeinatedMayhem · March 2018

@Enemy-of-Coldharbour I searched for existing posts and didn't see yours!

SGT_Wolfe101st · March 2018

Everything that the OP stated and on top of that my BoW is glitched half the time, I cant pick pick stab and the motif drop rate seems to have been reduced by a factor of 10. I can't pick a page post Update 17.

Katahdin · March 2018

Yup NPC behavior is just weird since the update

LMar · March 2018

I also found pickpocketing seems to cause odd motion on the NPCs but not sure if i only noticed it on Vvardenfell

essi2 · March 2018

I guess this is all part of the nerf to rare motif drops...

There are alot of animation bugs atm(more then pre-17), and the justice system has been in various states of disrepair forever.
Goats will still report you to the guards in Alik'r last I checked.

Grimm13 · March 2018

I have noticed during Sacraments that NPC's will turn and spot you after I have already click Blade of Woe. I have had npc's spot me through what is solid walls as well.

KiraTsukasa · March 2018

SGT_Wolfe101st wrote: »

Everything that the OP stated and on top of that my BoW is glitched half the time, I cant pick pick stab and the motif drop rate seems to have been reduced by a factor of 10. I can't pick a page post Update 17.

Motif drop rates were nerfed. This was in the 3.3.5 patch notes.

"With the release of the Outfit System, we've adjusted the drop rates for a number of Crafting Motifs to help ensure certain impressive or prestigious Motifs retain a degree of rarity. In most cases, this reduction is marginal. This change affects the following Crafting Motifs:

Aldmeri Dominion
Ancient Elf
Assassins League
Barbaric
Celestial
Daedric
Daggerfall Covenant
Dro-m'Athra
Ebonheart Pact
Mercenary
Minotaur
Outlaw
Primal
Ra Gada"

phileunderx2 · March 2018

Ita pickpocking is more sucky than usual.

Katahdin · March 2018

KiraTsukasa wrote: »

SGT_Wolfe101st wrote: »

Everything that the OP stated and on top of that my BoW is glitched half the time, I cant pick pick stab and the motif drop rate seems to have been reduced by a factor of 10. I can't pick a page post Update 17.

Motif drop rates were nerfed. This was in the 3.3.5 patch notes.

"With the release of the Outfit System, we've adjusted the drop rates for a number of Crafting Motifs to help ensure certain impressive or prestigious Motifs retain a degree of rarity. In most cases, this reduction is marginal. This change affects the following Crafting Motifs:

Aldmeri Dominion
Ancient Elf
Assassins League
Barbaric
Celestial
Daedric
Daggerfall Covenant
Dro-m'Athra
Ebonheart Pact
Mercenary
Minotaur
Outlaw
Primal
Ra Gada"

None of those are gotten from pickpocketing NPCs and they do not drop in Vvardenfell, which is where @SGT_Wolfe101st was talking about

Eddyble · March 2018

Detection radius has always felt inconsistent to me, for a very long time. Over a year now? I think it was shortly after dark brotherhood was released that started getting pulled out of hidden and stealth randomly with no one around. Sometimes after a patch it seems like it works as it should be then after another it goes back to broken. This and the capped movement speed make me sad. :'(

krismissee82 · March 2018

I too have had the same experience as the OP while pickpocketing in Vvardenfell, especially the second issue.

strangeradnd · March 2018

Grimm13 wrote: »

I have noticed during Sacraments that NPC's will turn and spot you after I have already click Blade of Woe. I have had npc's spot me through what is solid walls as well.

This is the biggest problem I have. Most of the time when I get a bounty on my head there is no one close to me and no one facing me and this is with a stealth maxed khajit. I have noticed some locations seem a lot buggier than others so I have started to avoid them.

Ley · March 2018

I was upset that the Ordinators in Vvardenfell were upgraded to proper invincible guards. I was getting tons of wanted posters from them before the patch. I've been doing a lot less pick pocketing since the patch but I'm still able to reliably get a Morrowind motif within 30'ish minutes. I had to change my rout quite a bit though since I cut out Ordinators.

CaffeinatedMayhem · March 2018

Katahdin wrote: »

None of those are gotten from pickpocketing NPCs and they do not drop in Vvardenfell, which is where @SGT_Wolfe101st was talking about

Agree, I still do get motifs, though the number of days I pickpocket every NPC on the island and STILL get nothing are more frequent than I like.

Still, I used to get several (3-4) pieces of style material (raw and/or refined) every hour of pickpocketing. Now...maybe 1, and more often, none.

xiaiceyan · March 2018

Can confirm everything OP stated. Esp the NPC behavior and drop rate of style materials.
I would also ask if ZOS would implement additional drop loot table for these mats since the demand is high atm.
ZOS pls look into it!

Nebthet78 · March 2018

This isn't just happening in Vvardenfell, it's all over. It's like the radius of detection has been made bigger, which in realistic applications, wouldn't be possible.

MasterSpatula · March 2018

KiraTsukasa wrote: »

SGT_Wolfe101st wrote: »

Everything that the OP stated and on top of that my BoW is glitched half the time, I cant pick pick stab and the motif drop rate seems to have been reduced by a factor of 10. I can't pick a page post Update 17.

Motif drop rates were nerfed. This was in the 3.3.5 patch notes.

"With the release of the Outfit System, we've adjusted the drop rates for a number of Crafting Motifs to help ensure certain impressive or prestigious Motifs retain a degree of rarity. In most cases, this reduction is marginal. This change affects the following Crafting Motifs:

Aldmeri Dominion
Ancient Elf
Assassins League
Barbaric
Celestial
Daedric
Daggerfall Covenant
Dro-m'Athra
Ebonheart Pact
Mercenary
Minotaur
Outlaw
Primal
Ra Gada"

Yeah, nothing there about nerfing the Vvardenfell drop rates, but man, did they ever hit Minotaur hard. With the event going on, I opened 40 Tribune's Folly coffers yesterday and got one Minotaur page.

I swear to God, if I were on ZOS's staff, I wouldn't even want to be alone in a room with whomever set these new droprates, because I wouldn't trust anyone who could find it in themselves to do this. It's like:

"Hey there, Spatula. Is that the last Hot Pocket from the breakroom freezer you're about to eat?"

"Take it, Steve, just take it. I've seen the behaviors you find excusable. Please don't murder me for a Hot Pocket! Just taaaaaaake it!!!!!"

So yeah, maybe they didn't nerf the droprate of Great House pages, but then, I wouldn't put it past them to do it and say nothing. Someone, perhaps several someones, at ZOS is simply cruel.

TelvanniWizard · March 2018

Why everything good gets nerfed? :'(

Anotherone773 · March 2018

Its not just Vvardenfell all my thieving abilities bug in every zone as does BoW. Also i discovered the new infinite run bug this week. My character gets stuck running. I thought, at first, it was a stuck button. But no buttons were stuck and reloadUI fixes it.

I find more bugs than treasure chests.

Jaimeh · March 2018

thatlaurachick wrote: »

2. If an NPC is walking, they will turn around/jump(rubberband)/walk back to a previous location, turn around a few times and then continue after each successful pickpocket. Since we now cannot pickpocket until the target isn't thinking about turning around, this makes pickpocketing massively annoying. E.g .- did you press "A" on the green? Yeah, NPC was *about* to turn around and with lag it happens 2 seconds later.

I've noticed this as well--also, sometimes they resume their route, but they do it in slow motion for several seconds before regaining their normal pace.

PlagueSD · March 2018

Eddyble wrote: »

Detection radius has always felt inconsistent to me, for a very long time. Over a year now? I think it was shortly after dark brotherhood was released that started getting pulled out of hidden and stealth randomly with no one around. Sometimes after a patch it seems like it works as it should be then after another it goes back to broken. This and the capped movement speed make me sad. :'(

Yeah, I always love stealthing by a lockbox and going through the hidden, detected, hidden, detected dance until I unstealth and restealth.

CaffeinatedMayhem · March 2018

PlagueSD wrote: »

Eddyble wrote: »

Detection radius has always felt inconsistent to me, for a very long time. Over a year now? I think it was shortly after dark brotherhood was released that started getting pulled out of hidden and stealth randomly with no one around. Sometimes after a patch it seems like it works as it should be then after another it goes back to broken. This and the capped movement speed make me sad. :'(

Yeah, I always love stealthing by a lockbox and going through the hidden, detected, hidden, detected dance until I unstealth and restealth.

I carry about 50 invisibility or stealth potions at all times, just for this, and the master lockboxes in banks.

Enemy-of-Coldharbour · March 2018

thatlaurachick wrote: »

PlagueSD wrote: »

Eddyble wrote: »

Detection radius has always felt inconsistent to me, for a very long time. Over a year now? I think it was shortly after dark brotherhood was released that started getting pulled out of hidden and stealth randomly with no one around. Sometimes after a patch it seems like it works as it should be then after another it goes back to broken. This and the capped movement speed make me sad. :'(

Yeah, I always love stealthing by a lockbox and going through the hidden, detected, hidden, detected dance until I unstealth and restealth.

I carry about 50 invisibility or stealth potions at all times, just for this, and the master lockboxes in banks.

@thatlaurachick
Me too! It's great stealing something right in front of an NPC while invisible. Wear a couple of these and your invisibility pots can last almost 1/2 minute. Comes in handy if a lock is giving you problems.

CaffeinatedMayhem · March 2018

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

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@thatlaurachick
Me too! It's great stealing something right in front of an NPC while invisible. Wear a couple of these and your invisibility pots can last almost 1/2 minute. Comes in handy if a lock is giving you problems.

Lock ...give problem... oh! If I have to use more than 2 forces! (seriously, I stopped lockpicking on new toons and just steal/launder stuff until I can at least force simples.)

swippy · March 2018

let me be another one saying that pickpocketing causing irregular changes to paths isn't only happening in Vvardenfell.

CaffeinatedMayhem · March 2018

swippy wrote: »

let me be another one saying that pickpocketing causing irregular changes to paths isn't only happening in Vvardenfell.

Well that's... confirming? I rarely pickpocket outside of Vvardenfell, so I haven't noticed.

elantaura · March 2018

I have got motif pages I think they are a little more infrequent. but not 1 bonemould since update. Not 1 of a thing I need 10 of to make a refined resin that they decided 20 of was needed for some recipes.
I tried some thieves guild boxes, nothing special like Style material. So I've been farming and deconstructing defiler and that too is hit and miss because for some reason I seem to get warrior poet over everything. They have really nerfed it. There is rare-but still obtainable and there's stupid. This is one the stupid side. The yes NPCs have gone weird too.

CaffeinatedMayhem · March 2018

elantaura wrote: »

I have got motif pages I think they are a little more infrequent. but not 1 bonemould since update. Not 1 of a thing I need 10 of to make a refined resin that they decided 20 of was needed for some recipes.

Hey if you have a lot of gold..3.4k per Refined Bonemold! *eyeroll*

While I have a stash, it's for crafting, and I do need a few more pieces. But impossible to farm right now.

I really wish this would get a fix... but unless we're getting "more than ZOS thinks is optimal" it won't. Because apparently getting none is the new black.

Jaimeh · March 2018

Is this being looked at? @ZOS_GinaBruno