Voxicity wrote: »

Would love open world PvP but probably never going to happen

Probably won't but I think if they did it would be something along these lines. A completely optional open world PvP system so no one has to participate if they don't want to.

notyuu wrote: »

As neat as the idea seems, ultimately all it'd do is drive people away from PvP and possibly ESO as a whole, why?
simple, say johnny nubcake turns on the system to see what it's like.. 5 seconds after leaving town he gets turned into thin red paste by a bloodthirsty PvP pro..from that experience, Johnny nubcake learns that "PvP is certain instant death" and thus never touches the system again, as well as having second thoughts about staying in ESO (compared to BG where you have people backing you up..cyrodiil has a...similar issue, adbit..a lot more localised)

So ultimately for something like this to work, first there would need to be balance between classes and levels...as well as a system to stop noob-stomping (say johnny nubcake got invited to a guild, didn't know how to leave said guild..and then a guild war broke out...yeah..bad times ahead for poor johnny)

6/10 - Neat idea, needs a lot more refinement

inb4 "it'll be an opt in system so that won't be an issue"
you need to remember, people are bloody stupid and can find their ways into places they are not meant to be/don't understand

I agree with you on some points. People can be idiots.... However this game will never be balanced properly, not just because they don't really know how to balance but because there is never 100% balance in games like this.

Also, this is locked behind a DLC paywall so a day one newbie wouldn't have it most likely and if they do with it being advertised as a PvP DLC that's probably what they wanted.

The guild thing.... Really, you think someone wouldn't be able to figure out how to leave? How did they join in the first place? If it was that big of a problem and issue, I'm sure anyone with half a brain could figure out how to leave so they don't keep getting killed.

If someone turns the PvP mode on, they asked for it and are interested in PvP. If they're newb and die, they're more likely to turn it back off until they're stronger than completely quit the game.

Another thing to combat this is an invulnerablity timer after death or you can only res in safe areas after being killed unless ressed by another player. Towns I already said are safe zones.

Obviously there would be things in place to prevent griefing. Your reasons, while valid, don't really hold much weight with your average person. It's a PvP DLC, if they purchased it, it's because they wanted to PvP so any death, stress, anger that follows is part of it.

Kamatsu wrote: »

DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »

What I think they should do is implement an optional open world PvP aspect. Those wishing to participate can switch the option on and fight others that have it on as well in any zone. The exception being no fighting in towns because guards would obviously break it up.

If you're not in a warring guild and you attack someone you flag and get a bounty placed on you. Bringing about bounty hunters and opening up a ton of open world PvP aspects. In order to become a bounty hunter you would need to purchase whatever dlc it comes with.

If a non-flagged player can get auto-flagged by 'attacking' someone flagged, then all this will do is invite massive trolling. IE As what has happened in virtually every other game that has a similar aspect - flagged player runs into non-flagged player's AoE attacks, then proceeds to gank kill the PvE player who had no interest in PvP but was forced into it.

So you start off with "optional" but then go on to say "if non-flagged attacks a flagged person"... which doesn't make sense, because if you're not flagged then none of your attacks should touch a flagged person.

No you misunderstood. A non-flagged person can never take damage by a flagged target and cannot damage them either.

What I meant was that if a flagged player attacks another flagged player they receive a bounty. It is still murder and assault after all. Flagging just allows you to attack or be attacked.

Edit

Also just to clarify, warring guilds can attack at any time. I never said a nonflagged target could attack, I just said player that's not in a warring guild. This would mean they have their PvP flag turned on. Admittedly my wording isn't the best, I'll fix it.

Changed it to you become criminal and receive a bounty.

To all the people voting no, all I have to say is....

F****** Trammies!

Points if you know what this term means.

What I want is competitive PVE that is Alliance based.

That is you go to a zone a each alliance has a different PVE Goal and which ever alliance completes their goals first wins.

No. I've seen what open world PvP does to games. Anyone low leveled will be stuck in towns because high level players will rally together and blockade the exits. Instant ganks for anyone attempting to leave. And if you're just out doing quests and minding your own business? Sorry, you're just a target. And don't even get me started on the lag this would cause. Even if you "opt out" the game would still be unplayable due to the lag of everyone fighting outside. Open world PvP is a terrible, terrible idea. Always has been, always will be. You want to do PvP, then go to Cyrodiil like everyone else.

they are good ideas, but there is a problem, that is some players, pvp is bad enough with macro users, and that the cheat engine has reared its ugly head again, so to the 80% of players who don't use these, they will find them self's being at the brunt of these players who use them

KiraTsukasa wrote: »

No. I've seen what open world PvP does to games. Anyone low leveled will be stuck in towns because high level players will rally together and blockade the exits. Instant ganks for anyone attempting to leave. And if you're just out doing quests and minding your own business? Sorry, you're just a target. And don't even get me started on the lag this would cause. Even if you "opt out" the game would still be unplayable due to the lag of everyone fighting outside. Open world PvP is a terrible, terrible idea. Always has been, always will be. You want to do PvP, then go to Cyrodiil like everyone else.

Did you read the entire post before you voted? No one would be stuck in town unable to leave... Simply turn your PvP flag off and head on out...

As to lag, it wouldn't really be a big deal in most cases. The world already limits the amount of people per zone into phases. This would mean guilds would need raid groups formed for them all to be in the same phase together fighting. Which in turn pushes other players not pvping into a different phase when they load into that zone. So therefore it wouldn't really create extra lag in most cases.

AcadianPaladin wrote: »

I am already painfully subjected to duels in town while trying to process my loot. Don't confuse 'exciting to watch' with 'rude, obtrusive and irritating behavior.' No, just no. Frankly, I would even like to see duels restricted to PvP areas.

I get your point. I did say it wouldn't be allowed in town though and I get that it means places outside of town would become brawl zones, but what effect does it really have on You? ESO already had dueling wizards, bandit traps, etc that occur randomly in the wild, what would be so unimmersive about guilds fighting or two vestiges killing each other? It's okay for npcs but not us humans?

alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »

they are good ideas, but there is a problem, that is some players, pvp is bad enough with macro users, and that the cheat engine has reared its ugly head again, so to the 80% of players who don't use these, they will find them self's being at the brunt of these players who use them

Cheating is irrelevant and isn't what this topic is about. If you don't want to PvP then simply don't participate, but going into any PvP you run the risk of hackers, wouldn't be exclusive to this system.

I'm serious, I feel like people just vote on impulse without reading the post or considering how the game works. To each their own though. Was wondering why there are so many no votes, looking at these posts I'm starting to see why....

DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »

KiraTsukasa wrote: »

No. I've seen what open world PvP does to games. Anyone low leveled will be stuck in towns because high level players will rally together and blockade the exits. Instant ganks for anyone attempting to leave. And if you're just out doing quests and minding your own business? Sorry, you're just a target. And don't even get me started on the lag this would cause. Even if you "opt out" the game would still be unplayable due to the lag of everyone fighting outside. Open world PvP is a terrible, terrible idea. Always has been, always will be. You want to do PvP, then go to Cyrodiil like everyone else.

Did you read the entire post before you voted? No one would be stuck in town unable to leave... Simply turn your PvP flag off and head on out...

As to lag, it wouldn't really be a big deal in most cases. The world already limits the amount of people per zone into phases. This would mean guilds would need raid groups formed for them all to be in the same phase together fighting. Which in turn pushes other players not pvping into a different phase when they load into that zone. So therefore it wouldn't really create extra lag in most cases.

Just turn off the PvP flag? How about I just turn it off in the middle of the fight so I don't lose? Or how about I just turn it on right after someone else just got done fighting and their health is low so I can gank the living crap out of them? Because if you can just turn it off and on, those things WILL happen. And being trapped in town isn't about PvP tag on or off, it's about high leveled players blockading towns. As in Vet 200+ sitting outside Davon's Watch. You won't be able to PvP unless you switch gank, which is a PROBLEM.

As for lag, it ALREADY lags when a handful of people are dueling in town. And you seriously think that 50+ going at it won't cause more? Lag is a big problem in CYRODIIL, an area DESIGNED for PvP, and now you want to make PvE zones unplayable too? Even for non-PvP players, that is a PROBLEM.

I'm serious, I feel like people just vote on impulse without reading the post or considering how the game works. To each their own though. Was wondering why there are so many no votes, looking at these posts I'm starting to see why....

Yeah, people immediately vote no because THIS IS A BAD IDEA. There's no consideration necessary. Open world PvP is ALWAYS a bad idea. The only people who think it's a GOOD idea, are those who have NEVER experienced it.

And as for "not considering how the game works", look at yourself. We already have complaint upon complaint about lag in the already designated PvP zone and you're suggesting something that will only COMPOUND those complaints. You add lag inducing PvP to every zone, the game will be literally unplayable.

Never gonna happen no matter how much we might want it.

How many threads are there going to be trying to get open works PvP just can't see this happening

It's not for me, I'd never turn the PvP on .....but I'd love it because it'd be quite cool wandering around and the next thing you see is a huge scuffle, or witness a great duel. Giving the option to turn it off/on is perfect because it doesn't force anyone to do anything.

Well, Black Desert is being released soon for xbox and also for ps4 at some point. I know quite a few players who left ESO on PC to play BDO and never looked back.

..........oh, and how would you deal with the multiple instances of zones?

Phage wrote: »

Zorgon_The_Revenged wrote: »

Well, Black Desert is being released soon for xbox and also for ps4 at some point. I know quite a few players who left ESO on PC to play BDO and never looked back.

..........oh, and how would you deal with the multiple instances of zones?

BDO was never a serious competitor to ESO and never will be. Don't care what platform it's on.

This, dam pay to win hiding behind pay to convenience