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Skill advisor is so stupid
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Jarryzzt✭✭✭✭Players - even newbies - who read forums and build sites and watch videos before spending their skill points are not the target audience.
Players, especially newbies, whom one sees running around dungeons with a single-bar Snipe are. And from that perspective, it actually isn't such a badly made system, provided those newbies with two brain cells to rub together eventually start educating themselves on what they really ought to be doing to achieve benchmark X or clear content Y.Edited by Jarryzzt on March 2, 2018 8:58PM5 -
SirAndy✭✭✭✭✭
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^^^hamsterontherocksb16_ESO wrote: »and @op - calling a system stupid and failing to choose the right present
Edited by SirAndy on March 2, 2018 9:05PM5 -
NyassaV✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭When it said Funnel was ill advised morph for a level 5 nightblade I stopped taking it seriouslyFlawless Conqueror ~ Grand OverlordShe/Her ~ PC/NA | I record things for fun and for info0 -
MehrunesFlagon✭✭✭✭✭
✭hamsterontherocksb16_ESO wrote: »Since they said crystal frag for sorcerer is ill advised morph i stopped looking
I mean i had a good laugh, sent some feedback and moved on
Because new players obviously should use a procc based morphs as their first skill.
Maybe... just maybe use the other morph thats not forcing them to react to yet another thing in this already fairly complex game?
Many people fail at seeing the point behind this system. It´s for new players who are probably overwhelmed with things to do and skills to take.
and @op - calling a system stupid and failing to choose the right present. Way to go dude....
What about crystal frags proc make it complex?Seriously somebody would have to be braindead to heed that piece of advice.
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Lestorn✭✭✭Okay, lets be realistic here. The adviser, at least for stamina night blades is NOT that bad. Honestly, in comparing it with the Alcast Nightblade builds I've seen, it's almost skill for skill the same abilities and passives. That aside, it comes down to you, to figure out what you want/"need." Use your brain please. Now with that said, if my math is right, between fifty levels, almost five hundred sky shards, and the PvP ranks give one to two skill points per rank, you should LITERALLY be able to take every skill and passive, or damn close to it, in the game for your character.
Honestly, for the lols, I'm using the Umbral Assassin for leveling, and I just slaughter everything in my path. I open with my sneak attack strike, critting upwards of 15-25K depending on the mob, which damn near one shots it, to finish it off with my execute move. Some times, I have to use my rending attack just to get into the execute range on basic mobs. In group mobs, I have to rely a little more on my ability to focus on everything attacking me, and can generally handle three or four at a time little problems. Five and six, is when it gets fun, eight to ten, I MIGHT need a potion.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭if they got ridd of the whole scaling and made hybrids viable this whole problem would just disappear...0 -
lagrue✭✭✭✭✭
✭Uhhh...is zos were talking about here. They think we need an advisor with 15 skills that have a stam and mag morph. Even when I was new I understood which ones I needed to run, and I had never played an mmo, I was expecting skyrim online.
You are vastly underestimating how bad some people can be at optimization... one of my good friends, love the guy, but wow his build was bad... completely built magicka for 1 handed sword DK tank build... no Stamina or Health... I had to shareplay and redo his entire build for him... (even worse he was going for Tank build but had no taunts at all).
The problem also comes from the fact alot of people don't know what they want to specialize in right form the start.
The feature is def. rough around the edges... but I'm willing to bet it would have led him on a better path than the monstrosity he created.Edited by lagrue on March 3, 2018 8:20AM"You must defeat me every time. I need defeat you only once"2 -
Glurin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I think the OP is expecting way too much out of the skill advisor. It's intended to be a guide to help newer players get a general feel for builds. Not a step by step instruction manual for cookie cutter meta builds."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster...when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss also gazes into you..."8 -
LadyNalcarya✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Hmm I turned it off but I'm pretty sure it offered several different builds: newbie setup, magicka, stamina, tank, healer.
And I guess it makes sense that the newbie setup offers magblade skills... Stamblade is very tricky for beginners after all, and magicka skills provide a lot of survivability.Dro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MehrunesFlagon wrote: »hamsterontherocksb16_ESO wrote: »Since they said crystal frag for sorcerer is ill advised morph i stopped looking
I mean i had a good laugh, sent some feedback and moved on
Because new players obviously should use a procc based morphs as their first skill.
Maybe... just maybe use the other morph thats not forcing them to react to yet another thing in this already fairly complex game?
Many people fail at seeing the point behind this system. It´s for new players who are probably overwhelmed with things to do and skills to take.
and @op - calling a system stupid and failing to choose the right present. Way to go dude....
What about crystal frags proc make it complex?Seriously somebody would have to be braindead to heed that piece of advice.
I didn't use it when I was leveling my mag sorc way back before One Tamriel. The chance for a free proc sounded too chancy to my new player mind so I stuck with the other proc. It worked just fine for overland questing, which was all I ever did because at that point I was playing Skyrim Online.
I use the crystal frags morph now, of course, but as a new player it didn't sound like something I wanted.1 -
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✭✭@bloodthirstyvampire stop complaining 24/7 and use your brain? the advisor is there for new players who have no clue on which is what...since you clearly know what you are doing start doing it without complaining about it.4 -
Maura_Neysa✭✭✭✭✭bloodthirstyvampire wrote: »The Uninvited wrote: »Select stamina in the settings for it.
Now its saying, hey why you doing a trial go do pvp
Yeah, @bloodthirstyvampire because you need Caltrops and Vigor. Two must have skills for stamina, both in the Assult tree. And really, what are you doing a trial for, if you don't have those 2 skills yet?Edited by Maura_Neysa on March 3, 2018 3:26PMMaiden Maura - Xbox NA
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MajorShehai Shatterer, Mageslayer,Warden 2x Bow DPSStormproof, Shehai Shatterer, Mageslayer, Ophidian Overlord, Assistant Alienist, Boethiah's Scythe, Maw of Lorkhaj Conqueror, Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor, Sunspire Saint,Others
PvP StamDen, Warden Healer, MagDen, Stamplar, StamSorc, DK Failed Attempt, NB Failed Attempt
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Zach2322✭✭✭Funny thing about the adviser for the stam spec nightblade. The first ability is (?) With no description. It's like the game doesn't want new players to build a stam nightblade.0 -
ol_BANK_lo✭✭✭✭✭bloodthirstyvampire wrote: »Seriously why the hell is it recommending magic based skills on a stamblade, its like its saying, hey screw stam go magblade you scrub, even new players aren't this stupid, who the hell came up with something so stupid
Although I agree this advisor doesn't make sense, there are much more mature and constructive ways to bring this topic up. Grow up.4 -
Maura_Neysa✭✭✭✭✭All of my builds, when I set the skill advisor right, have everything the skill advisor recommends. l make my own builds too, not playing copy paste builds. Warden tank, DK healer, ×2 bow Stamden, Magden. Fyi several stamina builds use 70% of their magic every rotation, my ×2 Bow Standen is one, Stamblades are another. Buffs that cost magic are appropraite. Only damage skills that cost magic don't belong on stamina builds.Maiden Maura - Xbox NA
Warden Ice Tank (By far my favorite) -RIP #NerfmireStormproof, Shehai Shatterer, Mageslayer(solo tanked), Ophidian Overlord, Assistant Alienist, Boethiah's Scythe,Maw of Lorkhaj Conqueror, Divayth Fyr's CoadjutorDragon Knight Healer (Since Homestead)
MajorShehai Shatterer, Mageslayer,Warden 2x Bow DPSStormproof, Shehai Shatterer, Mageslayer, Ophidian Overlord, Assistant Alienist, Boethiah's Scythe, Maw of Lorkhaj Conqueror, Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor, Sunspire Saint,Others
PvP StamDen, Warden Healer, MagDen, Stamplar, StamSorc, DK Failed Attempt, NB Failed Attempt
Playing BiS isn't impressive, playing unique at BiS lvl, THAT's impressive.0 -
Maryal✭✭✭✭✭
✭If you compare the information given by the skill advisor with the information you, an experienced player, already has, I can see how some of you would think the skill advisor / level-up advisor is dumb or 'stupid'. Even if you try to look at it 'through the eyes of a new player,' you really can't ... not after you have already developed a level of expertise about the game.
Personally, I like the new system and wish it existed when I was new. I think they did a good job on the contents and I believe they will continue to make adjustments and fine-tune things as time goes by.
On the other hand, the UI on the skill advisor could use a few tweeks. Too many people who tried using the skill advisor didn't know there were build options because they are hidden behind a generic looking 'UI settings tab' ... many find out about the build options only when told by someone else (me included). Suggestion: change the (mouse-over) tab name from 'settings' to 'build options'.Edited by Maryal on March 4, 2018 5:19PM4 -
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✭bloodthirstyvampire wrote: »Seriously why the hell is it recommending magic based skills on a stamblade, its like its saying, hey screw stam go magblade you scrub, even new players aren't this stupid, who the hell came up with something so stupid
I have to agree. Now if the skill advisor was an actual fleshed out build advisor that offered build solutions and information all around, that worked, that would be super useful. But as it is it's just a waste. A joke. We can always hope it gets improved with time, right? no. not gonna happen, it will stay casual dumbed down forever, Im sure of it.
I like the small level up rewards though, that's a nice toucha.Edited by Jayman1000 on March 4, 2018 2:54AM0 -
Twenty0zTsunami✭✭✭✭bloodthirstyvampire wrote: »Seriously why the hell is it recommending magic based skills on a stamblade, its like its saying, hey screw stam go magblade you scrub, even new players aren't this stupid, who the hell came up with something so stupid
PEBCAK.
I thought the same thing, then I realized I had selected a magicka based build to preview.
Seriously; the fault lies on you with this one.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I do not know much about tanking. I am a healer, who decided to make a tank character. Based on what I've seen tanks do in dungeons, I got an idea of what the job of the tank is. With that knowledge I went to UESP to see all the Dragonknight skills, and picked out the ones I deemed useful. I then created a Dragonknight character and set the skill advisor to tank. The skills advised by it were pretty much the same that I picked out earlier. Decent system, maybe not the best, but hopefully there won't be as many "healers" and "tanks" who have no idea what they're doing.
Lol, I think your method is probably how they came up with the advisor builds. Someone who never played a class, but saw others doing it, read some skill tooltips, then threw them all together on a list.0 -
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✭AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »I just wish below the often inaccurate skill description, they had an accurate algebraic expression of the ability, followed by any unique modifiers.
I think they need to add a tab that shows the whole tree that you are working on. More in depth explanations of the skills and how they work towards your build on that page. For these builds they are acting like a guide, so they should take on more responsibility of fulfilling that role as a guide.0 -
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✭✭Twenty0zTsunami wrote: »bloodthirstyvampire wrote: »Seriously why the hell is it recommending magic based skills on a stamblade, its like its saying, hey screw stam go magblade you scrub, even new players aren't this stupid, who the hell came up with something so stupid
PEBCAK.
I thought the same thing, then I realized I had selected a magicka based build to preview.
Seriously; the fault lies on you with this one.
+1 awesome for the use of PEBCAK.
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✭This system is generally stupid and unnecessary, because it replaces the need of conversation between players. Before people were asking each other for correct skills, now they ask the game itself. That's not the way the MMO should go imho.PC EU (PL): 14 characters. ESO player since 06.08.2015. Farkas finest quote: "Some people don't think I'm smart. Those people get my fist. But you, I like."0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭This system is generally stupid and unnecessary, because it replaces the need of conversation between players. Before people were asking each other for correct skills, now they ask the game itself. That's not the way the MMO should go imho.
Before this, they were foundering trying to make sense of how to be effective in the game before they were driven to ask other players, usually after they failed hard at overland questing (yeah, that same overland questing people say is so easy, some new players fail hard at) or they wandered into a group dungeon and somebody said "oh, no, honey, that build is just not right." The rest of us muddled through until we realized that "hey, maybe one-hand and shield isn't the most effective weapon for DPS even though it worked just fine in Skyrim..."
The game didn't even explain fundamentals like "Hey, you really ought to go all stamina or all magicka if you want to be more effective" or "Hey, you really should pick up a DOT skill."
The best builds are always going to come from players. As this thread makes obvious, the skill advisor isn't going to replace the player base for coming up with good builds, not by a long shot. However, the Skill Adviser is a big step in the right direction for ZOS who is at least explaining some of the game's class design, where before you had the tooltips and nothing else to guide you.5 -
Ydrisselle✭✭✭✭✭Jayman1000 wrote: »bloodthirstyvampire wrote: »Seriously why the hell is it recommending magic based skills on a stamblade, its like its saying, hey screw stam go magblade you scrub, even new players aren't this stupid, who the hell came up with something so stupid
I have to agree. Now if the skill advisor was an actual fleshed out build advisor that offered build solutions and information all around, that worked, that would be super useful. But as it is it's just a waste. A joke. We can always hope it gets improved with time, right? no. not gonna happen, it will stay casual dumbed down forever, Im sure of it.
I like the small level up rewards though, that's a nice toucha.
The advisor offers build for a tank, a healer, a stamina dps and a magicka dps for every class in the game, plus an absolut nwebie build. What else do you want, specialized PvP/veteran trial/Maelstrom Arena builds?1 -
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BladedMischief✭✭✭The Skills Advisor is mainly aimed at new players anyway. If you have a build that works, then that’s good. The advisor is just that. An advisor. You don’t have to follow any of what it says if you don’t want to.~We're a community of adventurers. No matter which banner we fight under~1
