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Eso Crime Watch Facebook Group
I heard of this Facebook group a while back and initially thought it was a great idea. It is a group whose purpose is supposedly to help those who have been scammed in ESO. It supposedly helps people by keeping, updating and maintaining a blacklist of alleged scammers in order to raise awareness. I have heard anecdotal evidence from people who have claimed that the administrator of the group has done things in an unfair manner like putting people on this list without sufficient proof. These players have had difficulty enjoying the economic aspects of this game because of this blacklist.
This group has become very popular which gives this admin a lot of power to discipline other players.
I have noticed that the people who run the game have wisely made every effort to prevent any player from being able to punish or discipline other players. So my question is this...
Does this Facebook group give its group administrator the power to punish and discipline other players? @ZOS_GinaBruno
Edited by jrmn78ii7883 on March 2, 2018 12:14AM This group has become very popular which gives this admin a lot of power to discipline other players.
I have noticed that the people who run the game have wisely made every effort to prevent any player from being able to punish or discipline other players. So my question is this...
Does this Facebook group give its group administrator the power to punish and discipline other players? @ZOS_GinaBruno
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monktoasty✭✭✭✭✭That's the problem with such a group..it can't be sufficiently ran without being corrupt.
People should always use their own best judgement when dealing with other players..simply believing some group who is good or bad is not the way12 -
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✭monktoasty wrote: »That's the problem with such a group..it can't be sufficiently ran without being corrupt.
People should always use their own best judgement when dealing with other players..simply believing some group who is good or bad is not the way
Indeed, sure fire way to get mislead. Bassically like believing the news media when they talk politics or about other countries or even your own. Theres always a bias.Ah, e-communities - the "pinnacle" of the internet............yeah, right.6 -
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✭Plus... even IF it was totally legit, not everyone is on Facebook? Like I keep telling everyone, FB is eeeeeeeeeeeeeeevillllllll...
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FinneganFroth✭✭✭✭✭Is there a current running list somewhere of scams that are going on? Just curious.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭How do they investigate whether someone is actually scammed or just being vindictive towards another player?5 -
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✭✭✭jrmn78ii7883 wrote: »I heard of this Facebook group a while back and initially thought it was a great idea. It is a group whose purpose is supposedly to help those who have been scammed in ESO. It supposedly helps people by keeping, updating and maintaining a blacklist of alleged scammers in order to raise awareness. I have heard anecdotal evidence from people who have claimed that the administrator of the group has done things in an unfair manner like putting people on this list without sufficient proof. These players have had difficulty enjoying the economic aspects of this game because of this blacklist.
This group has become very popular which gives this admin a lot of power to discipline other players.
I have noticed that the people who run the game have wisely made every effort to prevent any player from being able to punish or discipline other players. So my question is this...
Does this Facebook group give its group administrator the power to punish and discipline other players?
1) A gullible person doesn't know they are and is unlikely to go looking for a list of scammers; nongullible people tend not to get scammed
2) the last place smart people would ever hang out is FB
3) since no one has ever heard of this group, given the gossipmongering drama queen trolls inhabiting these forums we'd have heard of it if there was some whining, I suspect that in fact no one has been affected by false accusations there
4) are you a scammer?5 -
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✭✭✭LadyLethalla wrote: »Plus... even IF it was totally legit, not everyone is on Facebook? Like I keep telling everyone, FB is eeeeeeeeeeeeeeevillllllll...
Couldn't agree more. There are many, many reasons I don't like Facebook, but did you know that these days if you don't have a Facebook page, HR departments consider you an axe murderer?
Not kidding."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster...when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss also gazes into you..."2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I find that these kind of vigilante groups often have a weird vibe and sometimes an alternative motive. And usually those in such groups are actually found to be doing the exact thing they are setting out to stop, such as those groups who hunt for predators. So yeah I pay no attention to them. They're generally just a vile place to be with corrupt admins and just generally crazy people
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I've never seen anyone added to that list without screenshots of the scam being uploaded. Generally chat convos and whatever evidence is needed to support the claim (if it's a cod scam for example, a shot of the mail showing the wrong item, example flour instead of dust). When someone even tries to report someone without sufficient evidence the peeps in the group jump on it asking for the additional proof. (Speaking of the ps4 page - dunno if there are crime watch pages for other platforms).0 -
MerlinPendragon✭✭✭✭Letting Facebook mobs have any sort of investigative power, or even giving them credit, is probably an all-around bad idea.
If there is even suspicion that someone is scamming or performing other acts against the ToS, forward the information to ZoS._____________________________________
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✭jrmn78ii7883 wrote: »I heard of this Facebook group a while back and initially thought it was a great idea. It is a group whose purpose is supposedly to help those who have been scammed in ESO. It supposedly helps people by keeping, updating and maintaining a blacklist of alleged scammers in order to raise awareness. I have heard anecdotal evidence from people who have claimed that the administrator of the group has done things in an unfair manner like putting people on this list without sufficient proof. These players have had difficulty enjoying the economic aspects of this game because of this blacklist.
This group has become very popular which gives this admin a lot of power to discipline other players.
I have noticed that the people who run the game have wisely made every effort to prevent any player from being able to punish or discipline other players. So my question is this...
Does this Facebook group give its group administrator the power to punish and discipline other players?
1) A gullible person doesn't know they are and is unlikely to go looking for a list of scammers; nongullible people tend not to get scammed
2) the last place smart people would ever hang out is FB
3) since no one has ever heard of this group, given the gossipmongering drama queen trolls inhabiting these forums we'd have heard of it if there was some whining, I suspect that in fact no one has been affected by false accusations there
4) are you a scammer?
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✭✭LadyLethalla wrote: »Plus... even IF it was totally legit, not everyone is on Facebook? Like I keep telling everyone, FB is eeeeeeeeeeeeeeevillllllll...
Couldn't agree more. There are many, many reasons I don't like Facebook, but did you know that these days if you don't have a Facebook page, HR departments consider you an axe murderer?
Not kidding.
no facebook and i've never murdered an axe in my life...4 -
phaneub17_ESO wrote: »How do they investigate whether someone is actually scammed or just being vindictive towards another player?
I always figured you just had to post a screenshot of a cod scam attempt or a link to a recording of a trade scam attempt. That would be enough to satisfy me yet I’ve seen instances where the evidence provided was not very convincing.
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✭✭✭✭✭jrmn78ii7883 wrote: »I heard of this Facebook group a while back and initially thought it was a great idea. It is a group whose purpose is supposedly to help those who have been scammed in ESO. It supposedly helps people by keeping, updating and maintaining a blacklist of alleged scammers in order to raise awareness. I have heard anecdotal evidence from people who have claimed that the administrator of the group has done things in an unfair manner like putting people on this list without sufficient proof. These players have had difficulty enjoying the economic aspects of this game because of this blacklist.
This group has become very popular which gives this admin a lot of power to discipline other players.
I have noticed that the people who run the game have wisely made every effort to prevent any player from being able to punish or discipline other players. So my question is this...
Does this Facebook group give its group administrator the power to punish and discipline other players?
1) A gullible person doesn't know they are and is unlikely to go looking for a list of scammers; nongullible people tend not to get scammed
2) the last place smart people would ever hang out is FB
3) since no one has ever heard of this group, given the gossipmongering drama queen trolls inhabiting these forums we'd have heard of it if there was some whining, I suspect that in fact no one has been affected by false accusations there
4) are you a scammer?
Those people get scammed the most. They feel they are way too smart.
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jrmn78ii7883 wrote: »I heard of this Facebook group a while back and initially thought it was a great idea. It is a group whose purpose is supposedly to help those who have been scammed in ESO. It supposedly helps people by keeping, updating and maintaining a blacklist of alleged scammers in order to raise awareness. I have heard anecdotal evidence from people who have claimed that the administrator of the group has done things in an unfair manner like putting people on this list without sufficient proof. These players have had difficulty enjoying the economic aspects of this game because of this blacklist.
This group has become very popular which gives this admin a lot of power to discipline other players.
I have noticed that the people who run the game have wisely made every effort to prevent any player from being able to punish or discipline other players. So my question is this...
Does this Facebook group give its group administrator the power to punish and discipline other players?
1) A gullible person doesn't know they are and is unlikely to go looking for a list of scammers; nongullible people tend not to get scammed
2) the last place smart people would ever hang out is FB
3) since no one has ever heard of this group, given the gossipmongering drama queen trolls inhabiting these forums we'd have heard of it if there was some whining, I suspect that in fact no one has been affected by false accusations there
4) are you a scammer?
1) A gullible person who has just been scammed is very likely to go looking for a list of scammers. That is kind of obvious and your statement is surprising to me.
2)This is a broad generalization. I’m sure there are many on Facebook who are much smarter than you and I and some who are less intelligent. What’s the point of this statement?
3)No one has heard of this group? It has over a thousand members and I hear people mention it in zone chat all the time. Try to be more objective.
4)No I’m not a scammer. Are you?
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If you think the page is violating the code of conduct, then direct it to the official Facebook page. They can investigate, and, if needed, have the page taken down.
I tried that but didn’t have much success. There doesn’t seem to be a way to bring my concerns to the attention of anyone with the authority and knowledge to do anything about it or to tell me that they are doing nothing wrong if that isn’t the case.
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Nocturnal_Annoyance wrote: »I've never seen anyone added to that list without screenshots of the scam being uploaded. Generally chat convos and whatever evidence is needed to support the claim (if it's a cod scam for example, a shot of the mail showing the wrong item, example flour instead of dust). When someone even tries to report someone without sufficient evidence the peeps in the group jump on it asking for the additional proof. (Speaking of the ps4 page - dunno if there are crime watch pages for other platforms).
What you’re saying makes sense at first. What you are forgetting to consider is that the admin has the ability to delete posts and kick ppl from the group if they disagree with him. How do you know that there wasn’t a situation where someone was added without sufficient evidence because the admin had a personal beef with someone. It’s not hard to imagine the guy adding someone to the list who he argued with in zone chat or something.
That’s besides the point though. The point isn’t wether or not they are fair when punishing other players with their blacklist. The point is whether or not they are breaking any rules by creating and maintaining such a group.
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✭✭✭✭✭LadyLethalla wrote: »Plus... even IF it was totally legit, not everyone is on Facebook? Like I keep telling everyone, FB is eeeeeeeeeeeeeeevillllllll...
Couldn't agree more. There are many, many reasons I don't like Facebook, but did you know that these days if you don't have a Facebook page, HR departments consider you an axe murderer?
Not kidding.
You could just create a page, and not use it.....I don’t follow the logic of people wanting certain opportunities but also wanting to appear invisible.
It’s not evil tho
People can be evil, awesome, blessings, etc. FB is a tool and in each hand it brings out the person so maybe it’s that some people are “evil” but have been hiding it until they got said power tools.Edited by NewBlacksmurf on March 1, 2018 4:44AM-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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Couldn't agree more. There are many, many reasons I don't like Facebook, but did you know that these days if you don't have a Facebook page, HR departments consider you an axe murderer?
Not kidding.
i had a job interview where they wanted my facebook details, and other social media. I was the only one there without an account.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I prefer Myspace and Bebo tyvm."If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."0 -
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✭FloppyTouch wrote: »Lol people still use fb?
Ik right?? I use myspace.........3 -
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Couldn't agree more. There are many, many reasons I don't like Facebook, but did you know that these days if you don't have a Facebook page, HR departments consider you an axe murderer?
Not kidding.
Well. LinkedIn for many of them.
In fact, if you happen to have a not-uncommon name, good luck convincing HR that the LinkedIn profile they are looking at isn't yours. I've actually been there.
On topic.
1. As a former EVE player, the concept of people complaining about getting scammed in an MMO is more than mildly amusing to me. Especially since most ESO scams are really...low level. Comparatively speaking.
2. It is a natural thing that "vigilante justice" - identifying scammer accounts and posting them up on a social media site, in this instance - works best for smaller player bases or environments. When you have 2.5 million MAUs, and about a dozen different hubs to scam people at, and when making a new lowbie account (for some of the scams) is super-easy...I mean, at some point you have to ask how effective this whole FB effort has to be beyond however many people are active members of that FB group.
3. In any tech setting, admins (or superusers or whatever the term is for each specific system) are de facto gods. In a social setting (FB, forums, whatever), so long as they abide by the host's EULA they can do whatever the hell they want.
Now, this might cause people to leave their platform. But there is no law (or EULA) rule against that in and of itself. As someone else had suggested, if this particular FB group admin is somehow violating FB rules, do report him. Otherwise...
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✭✭✭jrmn78ii7883 wrote: »I heard of this Facebook group a while back and initially thought it was a great idea. It is a group whose purpose is supposedly to help those who have been scammed in ESO. It supposedly helps people by keeping, updating and maintaining a blacklist of alleged scammers in order to raise awareness. I have heard anecdotal evidence from people who have claimed that the administrator of the group has done things in an unfair manner like putting people on this list without sufficient proof. These players have had difficulty enjoying the economic aspects of this game because of this blacklist.
This group has become very popular which gives this admin a lot of power to discipline other players.
I have noticed that the people who run the game have wisely made every effort to prevent any player from being able to punish or discipline other players. So my question is this...
Does this Facebook group give its group administrator the power to punish and discipline other players?
Mention group/page not normally mentioned on the forum a lot - check.
Give initial positive vibe - check.
Mention it was "heard of" or "some say" or "they said" to give cover distance buffer zone - check.
Toss minor questioning shade about maybe mighta don't know stuff - check.
End up asking question so it might provoke a click - check.
Five-by-five on the promote with escape chute ready checklist.
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jrmn78ii7883 wrote: »I heard of this Facebook group a while back and initially thought it was a great idea. It is a group whose purpose is supposedly to help those who have been scammed in ESO. It supposedly helps people by keeping, updating and maintaining a blacklist of alleged scammers in order to raise awareness. I have heard anecdotal evidence from people who have claimed that the administrator of the group has done things in an unfair manner like putting people on this list without sufficient proof. These players have had difficulty enjoying the economic aspects of this game because of this blacklist.
This group has become very popular which gives this admin a lot of power to discipline other players.
I have noticed that the people who run the game have wisely made every effort to prevent any player from being able to punish or discipline other players. So my question is this...
Does this Facebook group give its group administrator the power to punish and discipline other players?
Mention group/page not normally mentioned on the forum a lot - check.
Give initial positive vibe - check.
Mention it was "heard of" or "some say" or "they said" to give cover distance buffer zone - check.
Toss minor questioning shade about maybe mighta don't know stuff - check.
End up asking question so it might provoke a click - check.
Five-by-five on the promote with escape chute ready checklist.
Well done.
I can see you’re trying to to be clever, but just to be sure, are you implying that I’m trying to promote this group?
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CaineCarver✭✭✭This is really a moot issue since scammers can change their account name anytime and as many times as they want to.0
