Why 'DPS'? It's a 'DD', isn't it?

anitajoneb17_ESO · February 2018

klowdy1 wrote: »

As long as you understand what is being said, what difference does it make? This is the only game I've ever seen use DD, so people coming from, literally, any other game probably won't be using it. Adapt, or adhere to your rigid ideas, just don't bash for not conforming to YOUR way of thinking.

While I agree it's no big deal - the OP never said it was - , it's important to emphasize that's it's NOT a way of thinking, rigid or not. It's a matter of grammar, vocabulary, and consistency of meaning. Language isn't a "way of thinking". It's an evolutive set of rules that allows us to communicate.

Berserkerkitten · February 2018

By my experience, the DPS/DD thing also varies on region a lot. I've played a bunch of MMOs where people on German servers would look for 'DDs', while people on the English-speaking servers of that exact same game were looking for 'DPS'. And since at least the EU servers on here have people from all over the place, people kinda say both.

thumpthing · February 2018

semantics argument during a patch... nevarrrr!

...like telling 'em to hunt for the penny in the corner of a round room

SirCritical · February 2018

I'm using DD and I'm happy with it

TheShadowScout · February 2018

Who cares about the semantics?

I mean, if it isn't tank or healer... which are the only ones people want to know about... then its the one thing left, those who just pile on the hurt, right?

DD, DPS, they could call 'em artillers, bashers, beaters, spankers or whatever, I don't really see why this is even worth discussing, really...

Ermiq · February 2018

kylewwefan wrote: »

Is this the same guy that gets upset when I call my characters “Toons”

Nope. But I prefer call them characters though.

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

So you're only interested in DD's then? Because a Level 1 can be a DD. Technically a tank and healer are also DD's, because they're doing some damage.

DPS at least generally assumes a (DD with a) certain rate of damage, which is usually more desirable than damage alone.

A level 1 can deal 10,000,000 damage, but expect to be there a while.

Granted, you could specify the requirement as an addition or leave it implied.

I'm guessing if the terminology has you that worked up, the actual event will make you lose your mind.

DPS is DPS, damage per second. And when you type 'LF1M DPS', it literally means 'Looking for 1 more damage per second'. Of course you mean 'Looking for 1 more damage dealer with good DPS' actually, but... Is their any other option? Why would someone really be 'Looking for 1 more any damage dealer, DPS doesn't matter'?
DD de facto should be able to do high DPS, because it's his role in a group. When I'm looking for DD, it doesn't mean that I don't care about DPS. It's obvious, isn't it?

Voxicity · February 2018

From this day onward, a 'tank' shall now be refered to as GWTAFMAPHTFD

Guy who takes aggro from mobs and prevents his team from dying

Jade1986 · February 2018

I honestly learned it as dps in SWTOR, but DD does make a lot more sense. You dont call a tank a DM " Damage mitigation" lol

Sharee · February 2018

DD stands for direct damage. As opposed to DOT(damage over time) and AOE(area of effect). Thus people use DPS for the role description.

Ermiq · February 2018

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Who cares about the semantics?

I mean, if it isn't tank or healer... which are the only ones people want to know about... then its the one thing left, those who just pile on the hurt, right?

DD, DPS, they could call 'em artillers, bashers, beaters, spankers or whatever, I don't really see why this is even worth discussing, really...

Who cares if you care or you don't?

I just was kinda bored, and I like to dig deep into such a terminologies, grammars, details when I'm bored. I see this my way, I have some logic behind it. And I can see no logic behind 'DPS' term. That's why I asked 'why'?

Merlin13KAGL · February 2018

thumpthing wrote: »

semantics argument during a patch... nevarrrr!

...like telling 'em to hunt for the penny in the corner of a round room

@thumpthing, next challenge?

klowdy1 · February 2018

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

klowdy1 wrote: »

As long as you understand what is being said, what difference does it make? This is the only game I've ever seen use DD, so people coming from, literally, any other game probably won't be using it. Adapt, or adhere to your rigid ideas, just don't bash for not conforming to YOUR way of thinking.

While I agree it's no big deal - the OP never said it was - , it's important to emphasize that's it's NOT a way of thinking, rigid or not. It's a matter of grammar, vocabulary, and consistency of meaning. Language isn't a "way of thinking". It's an evolutive set of rules that allows us to communicate.

Which is why no one is quoted. That was directed at both sides, not just the OP. It's all semantics, and if people understand, then what does it matter?

anitajoneb17_ESO · February 2018

klowdy1 wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

klowdy1 wrote: »

As long as you understand what is being said, what difference does it make? This is the only game I've ever seen use DD, so people coming from, literally, any other game probably won't be using it. Adapt, or adhere to your rigid ideas, just don't bash for not conforming to YOUR way of thinking.

While I agree it's no big deal - the OP never said it was - , it's important to emphasize that's it's NOT a way of thinking, rigid or not. It's a matter of grammar, vocabulary, and consistency of meaning. Language isn't a "way of thinking". It's an evolutive set of rules that allows us to communicate.

Which is why no one is quoted. That was directed at both sides, not just the OP. It's all semantics, and if people understand, then what does it matter?

No1 schoode kaer az longe aaz evri1 undeurstanndez amirite ?
Or maybe...
careful zero person must all people get so care why ?

(yeah with some effort you will understand. so why should anyone bother using the language properly ? From a linguistic point of view, "DPS" is plain wrong and "DD" is the correct (abbreviated) term to use. It's not an opinion. )

Slick_007 · February 2018

DD is the new millenial version of dps. because 3 characters was just too much to type.

Buffler · February 2018

Nope, dont care

Ermiq · February 2018

klowdy1 wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

klowdy1 wrote: »

As long as you understand what is being said, what difference does it make? This is the only game I've ever seen use DD, so people coming from, literally, any other game probably won't be using it. Adapt, or adhere to your rigid ideas, just don't bash for not conforming to YOUR way of thinking.

While I agree it's no big deal - the OP never said it was - , it's important to emphasize that's it's NOT a way of thinking, rigid or not. It's a matter of grammar, vocabulary, and consistency of meaning. Language isn't a "way of thinking". It's an evolutive set of rules that allows us to communicate.

Which is why no one is quoted. That was directed at both sides, not just the OP. It's all semantics, and if people understand, then what does it matter?

Semantics matter. No?

Maulkin · February 2018

It's not DPS. It's deeps.

Use it with other modern colloquialisms or expressions for more effect. Like so:

I'm pulling mad deeps on the dummy, fam. Ayy

Loc2262 · February 2018

Interesting thread.

I too (German guy playing on PC-EU) was confused initially when people called the damage dealer role "DPS" instead of "DD". In fact, yeah on PC-EU you more often see "DD" in zone chat than "DPS".

But I got quite used to it. Same as "deeps", or people looking for a "heal" instead of "healer".

I suppose "tank" is short enough that it doesn't need an abbreviation.

BloodWolfe · February 2018

At least in North America it's been mostly "DPS" since way back (DAoC & EQ1 days) so it's nothing new. Either one works so why even make this an issue? LOL

A_G_G_R_O · February 2018

ESO_Blash wrote: »

Players who call the damage dealer DPS instead of DD are the same ones who think TRAIL is the right term for Trial...

DPS is what you do, not who you are.

Most folks I have met that say DD have bad DPS.

They also say “toons”

cringe

anitajoneb17_ESO · February 2018

Reverb wrote: »

You're not wrong, but if you go around trying to "correct" people who use common nomenclature, you're just going to seem difficult and socially stunted.

I don't think anyone is trying to "correct" people. The OP is just trying to tell right from wrong. And to find out why the wrong thing has entered the common nomenclature - we still have no answer to that.
When has "DPS" appeared as the common acronym for damage dealers in MMOs and why ? As someone whose 1st MMO is ESO, I'm rather curious about that too.

Praeficere · February 2018

One question:

Does it matter?

Ermiq · February 2018

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

EDIT: It's much the same reason why DVD recorders aren't called DVD-RR's (even though they Record on DVD-R's). The terminology on either side indicates the function. The grammatical correctness is irrelevant.)

You can't record anything on DVD-R, you know?

There're also DVD-RW, DVD+RW... All those are different types of DVD format. That's why DVD recorders called 'DVD recorders' instead of DVD/DVD-R/DVD-RW/DVD+RW recorders.

Praeficere wrote: »

One question:

Does it matter?

As I said, just curious.

anitajoneb17_ESO · February 2018

Praeficere wrote: »

One question:

Does it matter?

When a wording that originally makes no sense becomes so widely used, it's legit to ask why, imho. If just out of curiosity.

Not sure it answers your question but "to matter" is too vague and subjective to answer precisely.

Besides, there are tons of topics here, like in every forum, that discuss "matters" that imho do not matter at all - at least to me. But obviously they matter to others.

Reverb · February 2018

Praeficere wrote: »

One question:

Does it matter?

To some people, it apparently matters a lot

But no, it doesn't matter. It's simply the commonly used and accepted term in this game. It's another example of adapting language use to match social situations. Most of us do it every day, as we slide into different sets of acronyms, common phrases and in-jokes for work, for sports, for home, for our friends, and in different games and other hobbies.

sdtlc · February 2018

it's funny how people searched for one or two dps and then complain, that they don't get 30'000 dps ...

iGuavaTH · February 2018

I'm more of a DPM I.e, I suck as a DD

magictucktuck · February 2018

ESO_Blash wrote: »

Players who call the damage dealer DPS instead of DD are the same ones who think TRAIL is the right term for Trial...

DPS is what you do, not who you are.

you know people don't mean trail lol, but when you type fast it auto corrects you to trail since thats mroe commonly used than trial. so that's not the same :P

edit: I hate to dame mroe users ;D

Mureel · February 2018

Minyassa wrote: »

I've never heard DD myself. Different games, I guess.

DD = EU
DPS = US in my ESO experience.

Anotherone773 · February 2018

I have been playing " MMOs" since the late 90s. My first ones were text based with little GIF in the corners for graphics. Since then ive played dozens of MMOs. I have NEVER heard of DD until i came to ESO. The role has always been called DPS in every game ive played. No one, until i came here, ever referred to it as DD. I didnt even know what DD stood for.

Its called DPS because that is the roles primary function. Just like the tank roles primary function is to tank and heals to heal. We dont call tanks DT and heals DH. In ESO these roles are more blurred. I can push out 3-4k hps on a toon i have set up as DPS by swapping a couple of skills on the bar. I can tank some on a dps with very little modification.

In other games its unacceptable for the tank to do anything but tank. He cant run through with a 2h and just DPS. A heals cant do anything more than an almost insignificant amount of dps and still maintain the needed heals. Roles do not get blurred because the instances are set up in a way in which they become difficult to extremely difficult to impossible without the required roles. In ESO we can solo group dungeons our level and the only reason some dungeons are hard or impossible to solo is because of cheap raid mechanics tossed in to make it "seem" harder.

In ESO, we can be anything everything at the same time because we are all special snowflakes with no real defined roles and every update those roles get a little more blurred.