Accountwide Achivements

Avrael · February 2018

I wanted to revive this topic, because its important to me. I made a thread about this some time ago, but i guess i better make a new one.
I would love if some, not all, achivements are shared across your account. Like CP, which makes even less sense then achivements imo.

Kinds of achivements id like to see shared are: Everything character/world related, a few examples would be exploration, books, fishing, dolmens, everything criminal, monster trophies, monster slayer, do-this-many-quests-for-this-guild, loot-this-that-many-times and housing.
Just because the majority of them take ages to complete. Killing 500 Livestock animals, even on my main im only at 195. Or earn 1kk Gold selling stolen goods. Or buy every house and get every furnishing on every char. OR READ EVERY SINGLE BOOK IN THE GAME! Noone wants to do this on multible chars, if at all.

Kinds of achivements that should stay Character locked are: Everything PvP related, crafting (including style books), specific dungeons, quests, events, vampire and werewolf.

And i know a lot of people think that makes no sense, because you didnt achive those on that character then. Well, but YOU achived them. And i think YOU as the player are a bit more important then your characters, you control them all, and it shouldnt matter if you achived something on this or that char. You have done it, you should get it.
Also, all championpoint related achivements are basically accountwide, as soon as you spend your CP on a new char, you get all the achivements "you did nothing for". So please, dont come with that argument.

On a personal note(!), this is something that keeps me from having more then 1 char. Because other ones would just have nothing anymore i achived already. Doing all Quests again, getting all styles, maxing all skills and crafting, thats something i could maybe get behind and do again. But reading all books again? Selling 1kk worth of stolen items on multible chars? Farming *** Monster-Trophies and fish? This takes disgustingly long even on one char, you probably wouldnt live long enough to do all of this on 2 or more.
And i know, achivements are not important to most people, but im a hunter. If im playing a game, i want all achivements you can get in there. And Eso just has overwhelmingly many... and when i make a char and play it a bit, and it just has nothing on it anymore, it just feels not worth it for me. But again, this is just a personal point of view.

So what do you think? And more importantly, do you have any more suggestions?

Taleof2Cities · February 2018

Sigh ... another one of these threads.

Some players want all the achievements so they can feel like they “beat” the game and move onto the next game.

I play ESO to have fun ... not to grind achievements.

Juju_beans · February 2018

If you only want to play the game once then don't create alts.

ZeroXFF · February 2018

I think all achievements should be shared, for the same reason you described: it's the achievements of the player, not the character. With that said though, there are addons that allow you to view (and link) achievements from any character.

Adernath · February 2018

No really, achievements should be tied to your character. For me achievements are part of the story of my character, and not of myself behind the PC. No one forces you to do any of them and if you play multiple chars and no clear main, than its your decision to do all the footwork... Besides, some achievements you get only by completing certain quests. It will just create a mess.

I would even be fine if CPs would not be shared, but I have nothing against the sharing of raw XP. For me, raw XP is waaay different than an individual character achievement.

Avrael · February 2018

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Sigh ... another one of these threads.

Some players want all the achievements so they can feel like they “beat” the game and move onto the next game.

I play ESO to have fun ... not to grind achievements.

For me ESO sadly brings not enough Fun to just play casually. I only still play it because there is still nothing comperable on the market. If anyone comes even close to Eso from the game mechanics and stuff, im gone from this game SO fast.

Juju_beans wrote: »

If you only want to play the game once then don't create alts.

Ye, thats exactly what im doing atm. But id love to have a templar and a nightblade for instance...

LadyNalcarya · February 2018

I agree.
They could just add 2 tabs: character-specific achieves and account-wide statistic.
And yeah, for me it would add more replay value: now I dont care about optional dungeon challenges, fishing, collectibles and stuff like this, because I have a real life and dont have time to grind it on all chars. I also dont like being limited to just one char and one class.
If achievements were account-wide, then it would motivate me to do those extra things.

Meld777 · February 2018

DoctorESO · February 2018

I would like account-wide achievements as well. We already have them for achievement-related outfits, polymorphs, and non-combat pets.

Juju_beans · February 2018

Avrael wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Sigh ... another one of these threads.

Some players want all the achievements so they can feel like they “beat” the game and move onto the next game.

I play ESO to have fun ... not to grind achievements.

For me ESO sadly brings not enough Fun to just play casually. I only still play it because there is still nothing comperable on the market. If anyone comes even close to Eso from the game mechanics and stuff, im gone from this game SO fast.

Juju_beans wrote: »

If you only want to play the game once then don't create alts.

Ye, thats exactly what im doing atm. But id love to have a templar and a nightblade for instance...

But there's no reason to complete every achievement on every character.
I am doing that on my main but picking and choosing what I do on my alts and no, they are not going to go killing livestock all over the place nor fish for the achievement.

You don't have to be a completionist on alts. Maybe that's where your angst is coming from ?

Recremen · February 2018

I'd settle for account-wide titles, myself. We can already get all housing-related titles across all characters with no effort.

jedtb16_ESO · February 2018

i take the opposite view..... nothing should be account wide.

DieAlteHexe · February 2018

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

i take the opposite view..... nothing should be account wide.

I'm not totally opposed but sometimes I wonder about the inconsistency (at least as I see it). CP? Account wide (I was really surprised to find this to be the way it is) whereas achievements aren't.

I don't care either way, really but am still a bit bemused by the account-wide CP.

TheShadowScout · February 2018

Avrael wrote: »

I wanted to revive this topic, because...

...you are one of the "gimme crowd", we get it!

Avrael wrote: »

I would love if some, not all, achivements are shared across your account.

I would really, really -hate- for the achievements to become account wide.

I mean, I use them to keep track of my characters -achievements-!
To see which skyshard I missed on this or that character, or which landmark I forgot... to see who learned which style and what each of my characters has already done, and still has to do...

And it would be really silly if a newbie character would have all the crafting achievements or shyshard achievements already done... not to mention those "Stormproof" titles fresh out of coldharbour...

Yeees, some of the achievements are a bit of a chore to chase.
So?
If its important enough to you, woul will spend the effort.
If its not important enough, you will do without.

Rinse and repeat for every individual character.

Avrael wrote: »

Noone wants to do this on multible chars, if at all.

The point here is - noone has to!
The only thing that has any effect from achievements are the dye unlocks, and those are already account wide!
The rest is nothing but a measure of which things your character has done, and which they have yet to do. There is a total score, yes, but it doesn't really matter.

Again, if its important enough for you to have something on an alt (or your main for that matter), you will spend the extra effort. Some people have, others care little what their alts do as long as they have the achievement on their main, and others still don't pay attention to achievement hunting at all.
Each make their choices.

Avrael wrote: »

And i know a lot of people think that makes no sense, because you didnt achive those on that character then. Well, but YOU achived them. And i think YOU as the player are a bit more important then your characters...

...and if that title floated over YOUR head I might see that point, but as long as the title floats over your CHARACTERS head...
All these achievements are in the game. Nowhere else. You know, the game where you interact Through Your Character??
YOU the player did not learn how to be a master blacksmith. Your character did in the game.
YOU the player did not become a mass murderer. Your character did in the game.
YOU the player did not gain the magic power of aetherius through interaction with shyshards. Your character did in the game.
YOU the player did not hang monster trophies on your wall. Your character did in the game.
YOU the player did not become a level 50 templar. Your character did in the game.
Get it yet?

I mean, what's next, demanding all alts you make start with all the quests done "because you already did it on your main" and all the skills maxed "because you already did it on your main" and at level 50 right away as well "because you already did it on your main" and have the horse maxed too "because you already did it on your main", and get all the crafting researched "because you already did it on your main", and... and... and...

That IS the logical conclusion of your argument, right?
And where would that leave ESO? Huh?
With half the population leaving after one playthrough I reckon...
Not a good business model for ZOS, now is it?

Avrael wrote: »

So please, dont come with that argument.

(also, don't tell me what argument not to use, or I'll have to tell you what threads not to start

)

...

That all being said, what the achievement front -could- use was an account overview page.

Like, opened from the character selection screen, and goes to a special achievement list that shows which achievement was completed by which of your characters, and when... possibly even with rewards for multiple completions, like "finish all the basic story content with every class, get new costume" or "gain alliance rank with character in each alliance , get new mount" or "do mainstory with each race, get new pet"...

Cpt_Teemo · February 2018

Motifs need to be account wide tbh, as well as patterns so you don't accidentally use them on alts

Jura23 · February 2018

ZeroXFF wrote: »

I think all achievements should be shared, for the same reason you described: it's the achievements of the player, not the character. With that said though, there are addons that allow you to view (and link) achievements from any character.

What if somebody wants to keep track of what he did already with each character? Without achievments, he would be screwed.

BigBadVolk · February 2018

Juju_beans wrote: »

If you only want to play the game once then don't create alts.

This or just make one another for the lulz

Avrael · February 2018

@TheShadowScout Im absolutley disgusted by your use of emojis...
But you, and others, made a good point ofc. Noone HAS to do achivements. But i want to. And as i said, every time i see the empty achivement list on a new char, i shed a tear. Doesnt matter how important it is or how long this and that achivement took, but in general.

And skyshards would ofc fall under the category character bound. Also, they could make it optional. Like the question you get at the creating of a new character "You did the tutorial on another char already, do you want to skip it?", i dont see the problem if they couldnt ask us the same about achivements. Everyone who wants to do everything again or just doesnt care can keep it like it was, everyone who wants to get tedious achivements from another char could do that. But i admit, the devs have a big problem with making something optional like it seems. So far pretty much nothing that should be optional is... optional.

Juju_beans · February 2018

Jura23 wrote: »

ZeroXFF wrote: »

I think all achievements should be shared, for the same reason you described: it's the achievements of the player, not the character. With that said though, there are addons that allow you to view (and link) achievements from any character.

What if somebody wants to keep track of what he did already with each character? Without achievments, he would be screwed.

I do that with my characters. I have one NB alt who focused on Thieves Guild, Dark Brotherhood and I tracked my progress using their achievements.

I have the shadowy supplier on that toon now. The others don't have it and if I want it on them then I have to complete the quests and can use their achievements to track.

But if that were account wide then I do it once and all 6 characters get their own shadowy supplier ?

I think zos did it right with their split of character vs account wide achievements.
Collectibles, dyes are account wide when unlocked which is only cosmetic.

Tandor · February 2018

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

i take the opposite view..... nothing should be account wide.

Same here. I would happily have character-specific champion points and dye unlocks, for example.

If you want to run alts then you can choose which achievements they need and which they don't. You're unlikely, for example, to have a reason to become a master angler with every character if the purpose of having alts is simply to play different classes or builds in endgame PvE or PvP. It's difficult, however, to justify all your characters being master anglers when only one of them actually did any fishing!

In any event, there are plenty of players who have alts in order to play the game fully with them as individuals. They may want to do everything with all of them, or they may want to specialise with some of them in the way that my assassin nightblade does the Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood content whereas my my holy paladin style templar does not, for example. I would hate having the templar stuck with the achievements from those DLCs' content just because the assassin had done it.

I would also hate not being able to gain any sense of satisfaction and fun from exploring, discovering things, and getting achievements generally on my many alts because they were already on my account from my first character.

While I don't want to have the fun I derive from playing the game my way spoilt by having everything account-wide, I understand fully that some others don't want to have the fun they derive from playing the game their way spoilt by having everything character-specific, and some compromise is therefore necessary. With that in mind I think ZOS have the balance between account-wide and character-specific achievements about right at the moment, and I wouldn't want it changed towards account-wide achievements any more than some would want it changed towards character-specific ones.

I don't have a problem with a separate screen showing all the achievements that have been earned across the account, but it should purely be for information and not so as to enable an achievement across the whole account just because one character had earned it. For those who truly play multiple characters throughout the game rather than for build experimentation or endgame it is the characters that are important and not the player behind them. Those who feel differently only need to do the achievements on one or some of their characters, or adopt a completionist approach to a main character without alts. No-one is forced to do any achievements they don't consider worthwhile doing for that character.

Ajaxduo · February 2018

Avrael wrote: »

I wanted to revive this topic, because its important to me. I made a thread about this some time ago, but i guess i better make a new one.
I would love if some, not all, achivements are shared across your account. Like CP, which makes even less sense then achivements imo.

Kinds of achivements id like to see shared are: Everything character/world related, a few examples would be exploration, books, fishing, dolmens, everything criminal, monster trophies, monster slayer, do-this-many-quests-for-this-guild, loot-this-that-many-times and housing.
Just because the majority of them take ages to complete. Killing 500 Livestock animals, even on my main im only at 195. Or earn 1kk Gold selling stolen goods. Or buy every house and get every furnishing on every char. OR READ EVERY SINGLE BOOK IN THE GAME! Noone wants to do this on multible chars, if at all.

Kinds of achivements that should stay Character locked are: Everything PvP related, crafting (including style books), specific dungeons, quests, events, vampire and werewolf.

And i know a lot of people think that makes no sense, because you didnt achive those on that character then. Well, but YOU achived them. And i think YOU as the player are a bit more important then your characters, you control them all, and it shouldnt matter if you achived something on this or that char. You have done it, you should get it.
Also, all championpoint related achivements are basically accountwide, as soon as you spend your CP on a new char, you get all the achivements "you did nothing for". So please, dont come with that argument.

On a personal note(!), this is something that keeps me from having more then 1 char. Because other ones would just have nothing anymore i achived already. Doing all Quests again, getting all styles, maxing all skills and crafting, thats something i could maybe get behind and do again. But reading all books again? Selling 1kk worth of stolen items on multible chars? Farming *** Monster-Trophies and fish? This takes disgustingly long even on one char, you probably wouldnt live long enough to do all of this on 2 or more.
And i know, achivements are not important to most people, but im a hunter. If im playing a game, i want all achivements you can get in there. And Eso just has overwhelmingly many... and when i make a char and play it a bit, and it just has nothing on it anymore, it just feels not worth it for me. But again, this is just a personal point of view.

So what do you think? And more importantly, do you have any more suggestions?

I wouldn't say no to account wide achievements, most of the time the counter argument seems to just be for the sake for opposing change. However it doesn't really bother me much, I have my main which I get all my achievements on and that's all I care for. If they mad the made achievements account wide they would have to make sure progression achievements i.e. titles don't apply though.

Sinolai · February 2018

Juju_beans wrote: »

Avrael wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Sigh ... another one of these threads.

Some players want all the achievements so they can feel like they “beat” the game and move onto the next game.

I play ESO to have fun ... not to grind achievements.

For me ESO sadly brings not enough Fun to just play casually. I only still play it because there is still nothing comperable on the market. If anyone comes even close to Eso from the game mechanics and stuff, im gone from this game SO fast.

Juju_beans wrote: »

If you only want to play the game once then don't create alts.

Ye, thats exactly what im doing atm. But id love to have a templar and a nightblade for instance...

But there's no reason to complete every achievement on every character.
I am doing that on my main but picking and choosing what I do on my alts and no, they are not going to go killing livestock all over the place nor fish for the achievement.

You don't have to be a completionist on alts. Maybe that's where your angst is coming from ?

As a completitionist it bothers me that my alts doesnt have the achievements and I have noticed I am often changing my play style to collect achievements on alts too (eg. I nolonger colelct surevey maps on my main, do pledges mostly with alts, even try to skip over lavas in bloodroot forge all over again although I have done it already with 3 characters). The 2nd thing with character specific achievements is that I am stuck with the Sorcerer as my main even though tanking is more of my thing. I have no interest nor time of trying to go fishing or start grinding again the "earn 10 000 000 gold By selling stolen goods".

Would also like to have account wide achievements so these little things would stop bothering me.

Jura23 wrote: »

ZeroXFF wrote: »

I think all achievements should be shared, for the same reason you described: it's the achievements of the player, not the character. With that said though, there are addons that allow you to view (and link) achievements from any character.

What if somebody wants to keep track of what he did already with each character? Without achievments, he would be screwed.

Some achievements that are keeping track of character progress (eg. skyshards, pvp rank, zone quests ect.) should stay character specific and that shouldnt be too hard to code.

Avrael · February 2018

Sinolai wrote: »

Juju_beans wrote: »

Avrael wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Sigh ... another one of these threads.

Some players want all the achievements so they can feel like they “beat” the game and move onto the next game.

I play ESO to have fun ... not to grind achievements.

For me ESO sadly brings not enough Fun to just play casually. I only still play it because there is still nothing comperable on the market. If anyone comes even close to Eso from the game mechanics and stuff, im gone from this game SO fast.

Juju_beans wrote: »

If you only want to play the game once then don't create alts.

Ye, thats exactly what im doing atm. But id love to have a templar and a nightblade for instance...

But there's no reason to complete every achievement on every character.
I am doing that on my main but picking and choosing what I do on my alts and no, they are not going to go killing livestock all over the place nor fish for the achievement.

You don't have to be a completionist on alts. Maybe that's where your angst is coming from ?

As a completitionist it bothers me that my alts doesnt have the achievements and I have noticed I am often changing my play style to collect achievements on alts too (eg. I nolonger colelct surevey maps on my main, do pledges mostly with alts, even try to skip over lavas in bloodroot forge all over again although I have done it already with 3 characters). The 2nd thing with character specific achievements is that I am stuck with the Sorcerer as my main even though tanking is more of my thing. I have no interest nor time of trying to start grinding again the "earn 10 000 000 gold By selling stolen goods".

Would also like to have account wide achievements so these little things would stop bothering me.

I for instance would love to heal, but im stuck on a sorcerer too. And you made a great point, just WANTING to do the achivements on toons while you play them anyways is a big part of why its so annoying. If i would make a toon now, i couldnt just run past all books or nodes or anything. I would just feel like im missing something very important, even tho thats not the case.

SugaComa · February 2018

I've said this in another thread ... Solution is very simple ...

When you create an alt and you are at CP160+ you should get an option to create "new alt" or "linked alt".

New alt ... All achievements and rankings and collectable are as they are now

Linked alt ... You're asked which character to link ... Once selected all achievements are now linked so when one achieves it it to the other does ... But only given rewards on the character that achieves them ...

The added bonus to this is overland content on line led characters also gets a difficulty increase allowing the game to be replayed on a maxed character with some real challenge to overland

Onigar · February 2018

Changing any character based achievements to account wide makes no sense at all to me.

You have CP that is account wide since Veteran levels were removed just be happy for that and leave alone all others.

Juju_beans · February 2018

SugaComa wrote: »

I've said this in another thread ... Solution is very simple ...

When you create an alt and you are at CP160+ you should get an option to create "new alt" or "linked alt".

New alt ... All achievements and rankings and collectable are as they are now

Linked alt ... You're asked which character to link ... Once selected all achievements are now linked so when one achieves it it to the other does ... But only given rewards on the character that achieves them ...

The added bonus to this is overland content on line led characters also gets a difficulty increase allowing the game to be replayed on a maxed character with some real challenge to overland

Which means only one toon collected all the skyshards, got the skyshards and all other toons have the sky shard achievements without having any skyshards.

That's just one example. There are others like the main quests in zones that award skill points. Your alt would get the achievement for completing the quest (which they never did) but would not get the skill points.

Taleof2Cities · February 2018

Avrael wrote: »

For me ESO sadly brings not enough Fun to just play casually. I only still play it because there is still nothing comperable on the market. If anyone comes even close to Eso from the game mechanics and stuff, im gone from this game SO fast.

Are you sure that’s your final answer in the matter?

Because if you’re honestly not having fun then it’s really time to put the game down ... regardless of what’s available on the MMO scene.

I suspect, however, you are one of those who likes to “beat” the game ... and the sheer number of achievements is causing frustration when weighed against the amount of time you have to play.

If that’s the case, it’s probably also time to put the game down for something else that’s fun. There are tons of other games out there that have a shorter life span for achievement hunters (not trolling here just being honest).

Avrael · February 2018

Of course such things as Skyshards, PvP achivements and other REALLY character specific things would not get shared. As i already said, i also dont think that would be a good idea.

EDIT: Ye, it was time to put the game down a long time ago already... but i played so long now, and did so much in Eso, its already nostalgic and very connected. It would just feel flushing hundrets of hours of my life down the drain if i quit now... Thats the biggest reason i still play this game. If i already achived 50% of something, i want 100% as well.

Tandor · February 2018

Avrael wrote: »

Of course such things as Skyshards, PvP achivements and other REALLY character specific things would not get shared. As i already said, i also dont think that would be a good idea.

EDIT: Ye, it was time to put the game down a long time ago already... but i played so long now, and did so much in Eso, its already nostalgic and very connected. It would just feel flushing hundrets of hours of my life down the drain if i quit now... Thats the biggest reason i still play this game. If i already achived 50% of something, i want 100% as well.

Nobody would suggest you need to ask for your account to be deleted and for you to trash your computer. Just take a decent break and come back when you - and the game - feel refreshed. That doesn't involve wasting the time you've spent while enjoying the game, it simply involves not wasting time while you're not enjoying the game.

Aliyavana · February 2018

Some achievements like trophy from monsters yes, but some like flawless conqueror would be devalued as some classes are easier than others

Recremen · February 2018

And while we're on the topic I'd like to take a moment to appreciate everything that IS account-wide.

All Collectibles
- Mounts
- Pets
- Costumes
- Hairstyles
- Houses
- Etc.
Dyes
Titles from Housing (only need to log in on the relevant characters)
Styles available for outfit
DLC access

I may not agree with everything ZOS does but at least they're not as bad as some people around here looking to make you buy DLC twice and other nonsense. I couldn't imagine trying to pay a second time for Serenity Falls Estate or having to get Grand Overlord's Brass on all of my characters separately. No thanks, bad idea.