Why can't we have the same character do PVP and PVE?

Ep1kMalware · February 2018

A_G_G_R_O wrote: »

Androconium wrote: »

Go to a Shrine of Stendaar and reconfigure your skill points. Reset your CP distribution.
Around 10K each time.

It all takes time

Yeah but this right here is what the OP is saying is bogus and I actually agree. Why can’t I just buy a dual spec slot and switch back and forth at will. The fact this doesn’t exist yet is astonishing.

I didn't see OP say that, if that's what OP meant he needs to clarify. I agree with dual spec 100% respeccing in eso is painfully stupid.

starkerealm · February 2018

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

...er, what? I use my main in both PvE and PvP with no problems, barring the occasional instance of forgetting to switch my gear.

Or skills... I accidentally queued into a pledge with Siege Shield slotted on my tank last night.

Rex-Umbra · February 2018

I play a Hybrid and tank vet dungeons (probably need to switch gear around for the dlc dungeons) and I also successfully pvp with same character usually same gear and do quite well for myself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBQeEodmNmc&t=324s

Jura23 · February 2018

A_G_G_R_O wrote: »

Androconium wrote: »

Go to a Shrine of Stendaar and reconfigure your skill points. Reset your CP distribution.
Around 10K each time.

It all takes time

Yeah but this right here is what the OP is saying is bogus and I actually agree. Why can’t I just buy a dual spec slot and switch back and forth at will. The fact this doesn’t exist yet is astonishing.

I think it's actually fun to make the build balanced so I can both PvP and PvE on the same toon without too many expensive changes. I'd even say it's part of being a good player. What you suggest could be viewed as dumbing the game down.

starkerealm · February 2018

Rex-Umbra wrote: »

I play a Hybrid and tank vet dungeons (probably need to switch gear around for the dlc dungeons) and I also successfully pvp with same character usually same gear and do quite well for myself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBQeEodmNmc&t=324s

Yeah, I do this too, however, the important thing to understand is, Tanks and Healers are the only ones who can do this. DPS who try to bounce between PvE and PvP are seriously hosed more often than not.

alainjbrennanb16_ESO · February 2018

shiningforce wrote: »

I know technically you can make a hybrid but it doesn't work well or at all really. Your character either has to be PVE or PVP based to play the game, there lays the problem especially at end game.

I like to play just one character and do end game dungeons and PvP. Why do we have to have only 1 option? Why cant we make a PVP build and when we are finished switch over to a PVE build? Do we really only get just one build? I tried to look everywhere, unless I missed something....That is just insane. So you dont get the full experience with your character you basically have to make two characters. One PVP and one PVE build.....

The game has been out for years, I see its been addressed many times but nothing has been done about it. It worked out Great in World of Warcraft. The same feature needs to be implemented into this game. What do you guys think?

just go to sothia it just means a change of gear and skills nothing more

Jade1986 · February 2018

Play pvp non cp, and you are fine. Then you dont have to build your cp around pvp or pve, just pve. And you can have 2 sets of armor and weapons. Easy pz.

Pastas · February 2018

shiningforce wrote: »

I know technically you can make a hybrid but it doesn't work well or at all really. Your character either has to be PVE or PVP based to play the game, there lays the problem especially at end game.

I like to play just one character and do end game dungeons and PvP. Why do we have to have only 1 option? Why cant we make a PVP build and when we are finished switch over to a PVE build? Do we really only get just one build? I tried to look everywhere, unless I missed something....That is just insane. So you dont get the full experience with your character you basically have to make two characters. One PVP and one PVE build.....

The game has been out for years, I see its been addressed many times but nothing has been done about it. It worked out Great in World of Warcraft. The same feature needs to be implemented into this game. What do you guys think?

Get some pvp gear and play non CP campaign or BG, problem solved

Adernath · February 2018

It would be awesome to have, as a reward for completing the other two alliances quest lines, a 2nd and 3rd alternative skill/cp configuration respectively, which you can switch to.

Aurielle · February 2018

I would LOVE a dual spec option. For one thing, it would reduce frustration in the group finder... I tanked a veteran dungeon yesterday with a "healer" rocking S&B/S&B, laying down Ritual of Retribution and the occasional BoL/HtD (not sure which morph he was using) to keep us up. I was okay, as I'm a magDK and can spam shields/GDB as needed. Our allies (and the freaking "healer" himself) didn't fare as well. He got super defensive when I asked him if he was a real healer, and bleated on about how he's a PVP healer and how "great" his heals are. I let him know that I PVP too, and that the polite thing to do is to switch to a PVE setup when PVEing. My comment fell on deaf, overly-confident ears. I've also dealt with the frustration of heavy armour full impenetrable light attack spammers in vet dungeons on MANY an occasion.

I understand why people don't re-spec for PVP/PVE, as I know all too well how irritating it is to have to re-allocate CP and re-morph skills. In an ideal world, these people would just suck it up as I do and bring the best build in to do the job at hand (or, if they're PVEing for Undaunted Mettle, they'd just get that out of the way first before going back to PVP permanently), but we don't live in an ideal world. The option to dual spec would be a huge quality of life addition to this game.

DoctorESO · February 2018

Being a Grand Overlord or Former Emperor does not necessarily mean you are a top PvPer. It just means you've played the Alliance War game for a long time. You could've zerg surfed and backline healed and front door repaired your way to those titles.

TheShadowScout · February 2018

shiningforce wrote: »

Why can't we have the same character do PVP and PVE?

We can.

It just won't be optimal.

Thats THE thing about specializations... they are -specialized-!

Specialize for PvE, and you will be suboptimal in PvP.
Specialize for PvP, and you will be suboptimal in PvE.
Don't specialize for anything, and you will "okay but not outstanding" in either...

Make your choice.
Live with it.

When I go PvPing with my not very specialized characters, I know not to expect to be super-effective. Same when I go PvEing with them. But I can still have fun in both options.

Others want to be effective, and then must make one character specialized for PvE and one fopr PvE.
Each as they choose.

What's the problem?

(Except that some people want ALL the advantages and NONE of the drawbacks, because they are -further content censored for forum rule reasons-

)

wenchmore420b14_ESO · February 2018

My main does all content.
You just have to make adjustments and find the gear for different activities.
I have a PvE set for solo and some group runs. All set with infused and divines.
A PvP set with all Impend and procs aimed at "players" rather than just "Enemies".
A Group Delv Set that adds bonuses to boss dmg and 11 group members.

Have different skill bars set up for the different activities.

If I am gonna do PvP exclusively for a week let's say for a event, I will change my CP and boost my Crit Resist as I keep that low for PvE, and maybe change my mundas stone.

As far as OP's suggestion of being more like Warcraft, Please Akatosh NO!
ESO has done a marvelous job of NOT being like WoW, Thank the Eight!
Just my 2 drakes. Hope it helps...
Huzzah!

A_G_G_R_O · February 2018

DoctorESO wrote: »

Being a Grand Overlord or Former Emperor does not necessarily mean you are a top PvPer. It just means you've played the Alliance War game for a long time. You could've zerg surfed and backline healed and front door repaired your way to those titles.

Someone give this man a medal for speaking the truth. If you want to see top tier pvp check out some vids of players out there actually slaying, and count how many are GO’s . My second favorite is “as a former emperor and vMSA completioner I know stuff about pvp And pve”

Savos_Saren · February 2018

This is exactly why I suggested that ZoS converts Fortified Nirncrux into something that gives you half impen resistances and half divines.

...that way you can run a toon between Cyrodiil and Tamriel without your build suffering too much. It would also justify the rareness of fortified nirncrux.

DoctorESO · February 2018

A_G_G_R_O wrote: »

DoctorESO wrote: »

Being a Grand Overlord or Former Emperor does not necessarily mean you are a top PvPer. It just means you've played the Alliance War game for a long time. You could've zerg surfed and backline healed and front door repaired your way to those titles.

Someone give this man a medal for speaking the truth. If you want to see top tier pvp check out some vids of players out there actually slaying, and count how many are GO’s . My second favorite is “as a former emperor and vMSA completioner I know stuff about pvp And pve”

Another good one is "I've been playing since beta and will show you my Imagkin monkey to prove it. So don't question what I say."

Juju_beans · February 2018

Jura23 wrote: »

A_G_G_R_O wrote: »

Androconium wrote: »

Go to a Shrine of Stendaar and reconfigure your skill points. Reset your CP distribution.
Around 10K each time.

It all takes time

Yeah but this right here is what the OP is saying is bogus and I actually agree. Why can’t I just buy a dual spec slot and switch back and forth at will. The fact this doesn’t exist yet is astonishing.

I think it's actually fun to make the build balanced so I can both PvP and PvE on the same toon without too many expensive changes. I'd even say it's part of being a good player. What you suggest could be viewed as dumbing the game down.

I guess a lot of people want to play the meta builds, not create their own balanced builds.

mikemacon · February 2018

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I mainly PVE but with a swapout of gear when I enter Cyrodiil (Seducer heavy impen instead of Mother’s Sorrow light) I play just fine in PVE. Colonel rank on my main toon.

Aurielle · February 2018

Juju_beans wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

A_G_G_R_O wrote: »

Androconium wrote: »

Go to a Shrine of Stendaar and reconfigure your skill points. Reset your CP distribution.
Around 10K each time.

It all takes time

Yeah but this right here is what the OP is saying is bogus and I actually agree. Why can’t I just buy a dual spec slot and switch back and forth at will. The fact this doesn’t exist yet is astonishing.

I think it's actually fun to make the build balanced so I can both PvP and PvE on the same toon without too many expensive changes. I'd even say it's part of being a good player. What you suggest could be viewed as dumbing the game down.

I guess a lot of people want to play the meta builds, not create their own balanced builds.

A balanced build that allows you to survive in Cyrodiil is not going to do maximum damage output in dungeons and trials, and will therefore be less effective than the meta builds. Certain classes/roles might be able to pull it off, but that's not the case for the majority... Hence why a dual spec option would be nice to have.

radiostar · February 2018

No worries, pvp and pve are not balanced separately so you can take your chars from one to the other. /Z quote, I think.

It would be nice to be able to buy both morphs, though, and use whichever you wanted atm.

Mureel · February 2018

Juju_beans wrote: »

Well if you want to min/max then you will need dedicated toons, one for pve and one for pvp.

No. You'll need different gear though.

static_recharge · February 2018

My main does both. Switch gear and skills all set.

Taleof2Cities · February 2018

Adernath wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

What do you mean?

I have a 5 Star Grand Overload who also has the Flawless Conqueror achievement.

Did you used the same cp and abilities setup? I think that is what the OP was asking for: Not having to respec for gold if you want to be effective in both.

I just did Fang Lair HM in my PvP gear and CP setup ... unable to see where @Joy_Division might be mistaken.

MLGProPlayer · February 2018

GW2 does it this way. It's a lot more convenient.

Jhalin · February 2018

A_G_G_R_O wrote: »

Androconium wrote: »

Go to a Shrine of Stendaar and reconfigure your skill points. Reset your CP distribution.
Around 10K each time.

It all takes time

Yeah but this right here is what the OP is saying is bogus and I actually agree. Why can’t I just buy a dual spec slot and switch back and forth at will. The fact this doesn’t exist yet is astonishing.

You: I'd rather pay real money to buy crowns to buy spec presets than use freely obtained in-game currency

Reasonable People: Um????

DoctorESO · February 2018

Jhalin wrote: »

A_G_G_R_O wrote: »

Androconium wrote: »

Go to a Shrine of Stendaar and reconfigure your skill points. Reset your CP distribution.
Around 10K each time.

It all takes time

Yeah but this right here is what the OP is saying is bogus and I actually agree. Why can’t I just buy a dual spec slot and switch back and forth at will. The fact this doesn’t exist yet is astonishing.

You: I'd rather pay real money to buy crowns to buy spec presets than use freely obtained in-game currency

Reasonable People: Um????

People use real money because it saves time, and they have the money to spend. For some, time is king.

VaranisArano · February 2018

Jhalin wrote: »

A_G_G_R_O wrote: »

Androconium wrote: »

Go to a Shrine of Stendaar and reconfigure your skill points. Reset your CP distribution.
Around 10K each time.

It all takes time

Yeah but this right here is what the OP is saying is bogus and I actually agree. Why can’t I just buy a dual spec slot and switch back and forth at will. The fact this doesn’t exist yet is astonishing.

You: I'd rather pay real money to buy crowns to buy spec presets than use freely obtained in-game currency

Reasonable People: Um????

Sure. Its Pay-For-Convenience.

Just like buying the Ra Gada motif for 5000 crowns when the motifs sold for 2k each or buying 15-day research Scrolls when you could just wait 15 days for free are Pay-For-Convenience.

I generally refuse to spend actual money on Pay-For-Convenience items, but plenty of people choose to spend their money that way, which is why ZOS offers them.

DirkRavenclaw · February 2018

I use Iaonakis skill and gear changer, there is also Alpha Gear and Dressingroom and, im certain, even more Addons that, when good configured let you switch Gear/Skills in a matter of seconds. Actually, my main, a Stam Vamp Khajiit NB tried different gear in PVP, nowadays he uses his PVE Gear in PVP, cost my a lot of in game money to figure that one out lol:) Just enjoy youreself. Im on cp605 and, more often then not, if it gets into Mellee Range i die. He, its a free port

Onigar · February 2018

Now there are 15 character slots to use there is no reason not to have separate PVE and PVP characters.

Levelling to 50 is not a problem these days its just the activity needed to collect enough Skill points and guild skills/passives to support the build you are aiming for.

To me it sounds much better (and fun) to have dedicated character builds not just PVE/PVP but think also for Trials, MA, and more.

shiningforce · February 2018

Thank you for the information,

A_G_G_R_O wrote: »

Androconium wrote: »

Go to a Shrine of Stendaar and reconfigure your skill points. Reset your CP distribution.
Around 10K each time.

It all takes time

Yeah but this right here is what the OP is saying is bogus and I actually agree. Why can’t I just buy a dual spec slot and switch back and forth at will. The fact this doesn’t exist yet is astonishing.

Thank you this is what I am saying exactly. Why keep paying to respec, its very expensive and foolish.