Do you want a "Compare Achievements" and "Inspect Player" option?

kongkim · February 2018

No.

MehrunesFlagon wrote: »

it would be great.That way when you have a tank with werewolf on their bar. You can go instant vote to kick.

Its people like you that ruin the game for some many people... It's not your choice what he do. And never will be.
If you don't like what people do go join a guild and play hardcore with them.

Apache_Kid · February 2018

I don't care.

No strong feelings either way here but it would be nice to be able to show off my achievement score when on my main.

idk · February 2018

No.

Juju_beans wrote: »

Grimm13 wrote: »

Extremely bad idea. It's bad enough that a vote can be made to kick a player in a Dungeon. I know the vote kick is there to remove a stuck/dc'd toon but reality is it is used to boot "under preforming" characters even in NORMAL Dungeons. It'd be much worse should inspection of gear be added.

I do not want to see another tool add to be used to measure up others to what someone thinks the "standard" should be.

Well it will be the current meme BIS build of course for min/max players and you better be wearing it !

But more importantly, it is the players who are challenged doing decent DPS that would be concerned what others are wearing since a solid player would know they can carry most groups by their DPS alone. That is what makes these threads so interesting.

LadyAstrum · February 2018

Yes.

Was leaning towards no, but decided on yes because I am nosy and would like to see what the "elites" are wearing. I've played games where you could inspect other players and it was fine, there was an option to be anonymous.

Believe it or not, some people actually liked having people being able to inspect them because people could see that cool weapon they'd obtained.

If it was implemented, some of my chars would be inspectable, others anonymous. Either way, basic QoL is not ESO's strong point, so something like inspect is off the radar anyway.

EvilCroc · February 2018

No.

No.
But maybe with an option to forbid "inspecting" me.
But... No, just no. Not your business.

Ep1kMalware · February 2018

I don't care.

I wouldb't be opposed to it, wayyy too many people care about hiding their stats/levels. Like you should be ashamed of your level or something (wtf?)

As long as it's a toggle. I wouldn't mind having it when hosting raids or whatever but 99% of the time it would be more of a hassle than anything.

Liofa · February 2018

Let me say something about this elitism argument . Those people don't need such a feature to understand you are bad . A semi decent player will understand how good or bad you are while killing the first trash pack . Just saying .

Ep1kMalware · February 2018

I don't care.

Liofa wrote: »

Let me say something about this elitism argument . Those people don't need such a feature to understand you are bad . A semi decent player will understand how good or bad you are while killing the first trash pack . Just saying .

This guy nailed it. If I was doing hardmode mazz runs and picking up an extra dps in pug tool I only meed to see 1 dizzying swing or werewolf transformation to kick you.

FoulSnowpaw · February 2018

Yes.

I want to be able to inspect player's gear and stats.

AcadianPaladin · February 2018

No.

Intrusive. If you feel you need to know my gear/stats, ask. And I might tell you. Or I might not.

NewBlacksmurf · February 2018

I don't care.

Already can compare achievements on Xbox one so no.

Inspect player.....I’d be open to it for visuals only not to see gear and stats.

VDoom1 · February 2018

No.

This is a feature I recognize from WoW. And while it may have some benefits, I do not want ESO and WoW to become to similar. That would only add confusion to the ways ESO and WoW are different.

On another note, unless it's purely out of curiosity compare achievements is somewhat pointless. As for inspect, kind of pointless as well. Only purpose I can come up with is the more annoying "ooh, I got so much better gear than you!"

srfrogg23 · February 2018

No.

Hahaha! No.

The_Protagonist · February 2018

No.

Inspecting the Title a player displays along with their skin should be enough.

We don't need Peeping Toms.

Tandor · February 2018

No.

While I can see the benefits to elitist group-kickers, I don't participate in any of that content so it wouldn't affect me in that sense - although I do think it's an unfortunate aspect of any game and shouldn't be encouraged by the system. However, I have no interest in anyone else's character and they have no business with mine.

Adernath · February 2018

No.

I am against an in-game inspection system, however it would be interesting to see an offline armory of some sorts with some basic information like currently equipped gear, look, achievements and PvP stats.

RebornV3x · February 2018

Yes.

A compare achievements maybe but an inspect player no no to the no no on that idea

randomkeyhits · February 2018

no because it becomes a mean of discrimination

yes because I'd love to know what gear some enemies are rocking with in PvP.

VaranisArano · February 2018

The thing with Inspect Player is that there's an enormous amount of gear choices that work well enough to complete content, but aren't remotely meta.

Do you really care that your healer is wearing Combat Prayer or Prayer Shawl (or whatever non-SPC set you want to throw out there) if they keep the group alive in the dungeon?
Does it actually matter what your group dungeon tank is wearing if they stay alive, hold boss aggro, keep the boss still, buff the group, debuff the boss, and help with crowd control?
For DPS, gear helps with good DPS, but a good rotation is far more important.

What Inspect Player does is remove that option for "I can wear what I want because I can complete the content in it" from the equation. Once other players can judge you at a glance by the gear you wear the pressure to follow the meta in order to play at certain levels of content becomes even greater, oddly enough, forcing more players into grinding and running harder dungeons earlier than they should in order to get the desired meta gear.

Jura23 · February 2018

Yes.

VaranisArano wrote: »

The thing with Inspect Player is that there's an enormous amount of gear choices that work well enough to complete content, but aren't remotely meta.

Do you really care that your healer is wearing Combat Prayer or Prayer Shawl (or whatever non-SPC set you want to throw out there) if they keep the group alive in the dungeon?
Does it actually matter what your group dungeon tank is wearing if they stay alive, hold boss aggro, keep the boss still, buff the group, debuff the boss, and help with crowd control?
For DPS, gear helps with good DPS, but a good rotation is far more important.

What Inspect Player does is remove that option for "I can wear what I want because I can complete the content in it" from the equation. Once other players can judge you at a glance by the gear you wear the pressure to follow the meta in order to play at certain levels of content becomes even greater, oddly enough, forcing more players into grinding and running harder dungeons earlier than they should in order to get the desired meta gear.

This is problem with people, not with the inspect option. Once there is enough people who don't care about this stupid "pressure", everything will be fine. In other games, I've always used inspecting to get new ideas on possible builds, not to judge anybody. I think that's how it should be. And if somebody forces others to use only meta, then he should play with likeminded players anyway. Are these ppl really the majority of PvE audience? I doubt it. Once they start having hard time finding players for their raids, they might start thinking what they do wrong.

VaranisArano · February 2018

Jura23 wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

The thing with Inspect Player is that there's an enormous amount of gear choices that work well enough to complete content, but aren't remotely meta.

Do you really care that your healer is wearing Combat Prayer or Prayer Shawl (or whatever non-SPC set you want to throw out there) if they keep the group alive in the dungeon?
Does it actually matter what your group dungeon tank is wearing if they stay alive, hold boss aggro, keep the boss still, buff the group, debuff the boss, and help with crowd control?
For DPS, gear helps with good DPS, but a good rotation is far more important.

What Inspect Player does is remove that option for "I can wear what I want because I can complete the content in it" from the equation. Once other players can judge you at a glance by the gear you wear the pressure to follow the meta in order to play at certain levels of content becomes even greater, oddly enough, forcing more players into grinding and running harder dungeons earlier than they should in order to get the desired meta gear.

This is problem with people, not with the inspect option. Once there is enough people who don't care about this stupid "pressure", everything will be fine. In other games, I've always used inspecting to get new ideas on possible builds, not to judge anybody. I think that's how it should be. And if somebody forces others to use only meta, then he should play with likeminded players anyway. Are these ppl really the majority of PvE audience? I doubt it. Once they start having hard time finding players for their raids, they might start thinking what they do wrong.

Question: When you know that people are going to misuse the Inspect Player option if you add it to the game to exclude players from content, is it worth adding it into the game for the people who will use it just to look for new builds?

I suspect, just like ZOS removed an addon that could tell people the DPS of individuals in the group, that ZOS will not add a feature to the gear that reveals individual information in a way that will be used to shame players. (yes, there are people like you who won't use it to shame players, but seriously, we know how some people are going to use the Inspect Player option.)

Twenty0zTsunami · February 2018

No.

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

Yes I do. I get the elitism argument, but stupid ppl will find a way to act stupid anyway. And I always liked inspecting players just out of curiosity.

And I hated being inspected. Like bein' groped or something. Ugh.

I really don't want to have to go back to the whole "someone's standing next to me...move" thing.

If you want to know, just ask 'em.

you're kidding, right? What a smack int he face to anyone that's ever been sexually assaulted.

Thicken your skin, cupcake.

Asmael · February 2018

Gonna go with the "yes, but...".

Only if it goes with an "anonymous" option to prevent inspect.

Only if achievement list is improved so that we see what is character or account wide.

Jura23 · February 2018

Yes.

VaranisArano wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

The thing with Inspect Player is that there's an enormous amount of gear choices that work well enough to complete content, but aren't remotely meta.

Do you really care that your healer is wearing Combat Prayer or Prayer Shawl (or whatever non-SPC set you want to throw out there) if they keep the group alive in the dungeon?
Does it actually matter what your group dungeon tank is wearing if they stay alive, hold boss aggro, keep the boss still, buff the group, debuff the boss, and help with crowd control?
For DPS, gear helps with good DPS, but a good rotation is far more important.

What Inspect Player does is remove that option for "I can wear what I want because I can complete the content in it" from the equation. Once other players can judge you at a glance by the gear you wear the pressure to follow the meta in order to play at certain levels of content becomes even greater, oddly enough, forcing more players into grinding and running harder dungeons earlier than they should in order to get the desired meta gear.

This is problem with people, not with the inspect option. Once there is enough people who don't care about this stupid "pressure", everything will be fine. In other games, I've always used inspecting to get new ideas on possible builds, not to judge anybody. I think that's how it should be. And if somebody forces others to use only meta, then he should play with likeminded players anyway. Are these ppl really the majority of PvE audience? I doubt it. Once they start having hard time finding players for their raids, they might start thinking what they do wrong.

Question: When you know that people are going to misuse the Inspect Player option if you add it to the game to exclude players from content, is it worth adding it into the game for the people who will use it just to look for new builds?

I suspect, just like ZOS removed an addon that could tell people the DPS of individuals in the group, that ZOS will not add a feature to the gear that reveals individual information in a way that will be used to shame players. (yes, there are people like you who won't use it to shame players, but seriously, we know how some people are going to use the Inspect Player option.)

Easy solution would be make such behaviour reportable offense.

Jura23 · February 2018

Yes.

I mean, I played SWTOR, where you could inspect gear of others, I wasn't a min maxer just as I'm not now and I still could join raid groups. I played lot more endgame PvE than I do in ESO and had very little problems with elitists (some, but very few), that's why I don't think it would be as bad as some people think.

Gilvoth · February 2018

No.

Ahnastashia wrote: »

Nope.. nope.. oh hell no.. and nope! Did I mention NOPE?

this exactly ^

DieAlteHexe · February 2018

No.

Twenty0zTsunami wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

Yes I do. I get the elitism argument, but stupid ppl will find a way to act stupid anyway. And I always liked inspecting players just out of curiosity.

And I hated being inspected. Like bein' groped or something. Ugh.

I really don't want to have to go back to the whole "someone's standing next to me...move" thing.

If you want to know, just ask 'em.

you're kidding, right? What a smack int he face to anyone that's ever been sexually assaulted.

Thicken your skin, cupcake.

And why do you think I react as I do?

Don't leap to conclusions or make assumptions.

Edit: I spoke in anger and removed unnecessary wordage.

Elsonso · February 2018

No.

Jura23 wrote: »

I mean, I played SWTOR, where you could inspect gear of others, I wasn't a min maxer just as I'm not now and I still could join raid groups. I played lot more endgame PvE than I do in ESO and had very little problems with elitists (some, but very few), that's why I don't think it would be as bad as some people think.

It's creeepy. It can be abused. It is extra work for the devs to implement it. It isn't in the game now. It's much simpler to just ask. That's good enough for me.

Mureel · February 2018

Dromede wrote: »

I do, but mostly because i love checking out people's choice of armor sets and looks, and latest achievements. Asking for armor/costumes in /whisper doesn't always guarantee an answer, unfortunately

Also, i think that i would make guild master's work easier, say, for special trial guilds and so on. I think it's ok to have a little bit more selectness when going for the hardest endgame content as long as everyone is polite and helpful rather than bashing and mean.

But there's superstar or is it godsend (boss at remembering names of things!) add on that many GMs make you post a screen of your gear and cp and all that.

If you're in a competitive aspect of the game, not having inspect is not gonna stop people from knowing what you are using because knowing what you use etc is already required.

Further to that, you are even required to have different sets especially as a healer or tank and you'll be expected to comply when raid lead says 'k you need to change to X' these are just part of being raid ready as having soul gems, repair kits, food and plenty of pots.

If you're just doing your own thing anyway and not being relied upon to perform any certain function then it makes no difference anyway.

Juju_beans · February 2018

No.

MehrunesFlagon wrote: »

Grimm13 wrote: »

Extremely bad idea. It's bad enough that a vote can be made to kick a player in a Dungeon. I know the vote kick is there to remove a stuck/dc'd toon but reality is it is used to boot "under preforming" characters even in NORMAL Dungeons. It'd be much worse should inspection of gear be added.

I do not want to see another tool add to be used to measure up others to what someone thinks the "standard" should be.

It should be used to kick under performing players from dungeons. When 3 peole feel teh run is being hindered by one person,why not?Besides,having maybe not access to seeing gear,but skill set up might be helpful.Another thing to consider is say you are able to wear nm/sunder,and can plainly see the other dps is stam.As we know there are people that never talk in dungeons.If you were able to see if they were wearing such sets.It would ensure also that your group synergizes better.

Inspecting gear/achievements won't tell you that off the bat before the run starts unless you plan to strictly base it off gear worn and achievements completed.

Players do that in wow and you know what..an add-on got created to show fake achievements so people could get in groups.
And carries to get good gear cost near 100K gold or more depending on how long the raid has been out.