Include Dragonstar Arena in the Activity Finder under Restriction

Kuramas9tails · February 2018

josiahva wrote: »

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

If you try and random queue VDSA, you wont beat it and you will end up more upset.

You don't seem to understand how to pug a dungeon. Let me lay out the steps for you.

1. You queue for a vet DLC dungeon(or in this case vDSA)
2. You wipe the first time...and the 2nd, and the 3rd, etc. but each time you get better at each fight.
3. Eventually you can prevail in each and every fight personally, congratulations!
4. Other players go through the same process you went through and eventually they too can prevail in the fights.
5. You get grouped with other players who have honed their skills enough to pass all the bosses.
6. You clear the content...as a pug.

I have done this with each and every vet DLC dungeon(and back in the day with regular vet dungeons) so it is easily done...all it takes is persistence from those interested in doing the dungeon. I call this progression pugging, it works, and will work a lot better if its not included as random but rather as specific.

I have pugged many dungeons but there is a difference between running a Vet Dungeon, which most I can solo, and pugging a Trial. Most pugged 12 man vet trials fail and that's including max level players with experience in the mix. The thought of pugging VDSA in a random queue....sure, have it. I wont use it.

kongkim · February 2018

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

kongkim wrote: »

So can't see the reason way not.

To make a long explanation shorter : because it would cause conflicts and issues within the playerbase, much worse than group finder for 4-man dungeons causes right now.
And that's ZOS' problem, my problem, your problem, everyone's problem. We must take care of the playerbase.

Haha its stupid to deny an optional option on something you think will happen. And that you can't do anything to affect. It's ZOS that has to get it to work. and get most people to play their content in the game.

It will come. it's just a matter of time.

Stinkyremy · February 2018

Pugs cant even organize themselves to stop getting killed on fungal grotto 2, what chance do you think they have in VDSA.
You really want to spend 5 hours in VDSA with cp 187s, fake tanks and dds who quit because "you klled them" yet they stood in an aoe and died.
How many ash titans do you want to fight in round 7?

Bobby_V_Rockit · February 2018

Yass kween!

Juju_beans · February 2018

Sure, go ahead and put it in the finder. How well do you think it will work with "fake healers" and "fake tanks" queuing up ?

ccfeeling · February 2018

Mister_DMC wrote: »

ccfeeling wrote: »

Oops...I think VDSA is OK , not too hard , much more easy than lastest DLC VDUN HM .
Role choice is flexible , tank is not really required for common run .

All you have to do is join a guild or make more friends , it takes about 2 hours for 1st run , 1 ~ 1.5 when you are getting better .

But the drops are nerfed...master restro is still ok ... other are trashes .

I like VDSA , really funny dungeon , I wish VDSA 2 will be released one day .

Sorry , back to your point , group finder is not an good idea . It's not a PUG friendly dungeon .

I'm guessing you haven't done it in a while. All weapon drops are good now. They all got buffed and are viable for something. Also when it got scaled to cp160 it was made quite a bit more difficult. I'd like to see it done without a tank. Without a healer yeah it's possible, no tank... Don't think so.

Yes, i didn't play a while, maybe once 2 months

Sorry i didn't mention i am a pure pve player, i got a lot master weapons in bank, never use, because there is no meta pve build run master weapon unless healer
My first 30 runs about , i used magblade and 3 pet sorc real life friends, 4 dps at all
Because we dont have any tank char and we wanna play with fun chat tho , sorc big shield, bird healing and kiting the big hit boss when necessary

Sure, we die a lot at the testing period lol

Run time is still ok, about 75 - 90 mins per run

anitajoneb17_ESO · February 2018

kongkim wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

kongkim wrote: »

So can't see the reason way not.

To make a long explanation shorter : because it would cause conflicts and issues within the playerbase, much worse than group finder for 4-man dungeons causes right now.
And that's ZOS' problem, my problem, your problem, everyone's problem. We must take care of the playerbase.

Haha its stupid to deny an optional option on something you think will happen. And that you can't do anything to affect. It's ZOS that has to get it to work. and get most people to play their content in the game.

It will come. it's just a matter of time.

It's not stupid at all. For two reasons :

I remember the times when group finder wasn't working at all and everyone was building their groups for dungeons, trials and vdsa via zone chat. They would either agree or argue while forming the group instead of kicking each other in the middle of a dungeon with all the frustration and aggressivity that comes with it. You did not see PUG-complaints in this forum back then. Group finder is a necessity for many people who don't have guildies or friends ready when they wan to play, and who don't have friends or guildies at all. But it does create a lot of trouble and conflict too.

Second reason is that ZOS needs us to build up social relationships in the game - because, far more that any new content they could design, this is what keeps us in the game. That's the reason why trials and DSA are not available in the group finder and probably never will be. People who want to run this content are forced to make friends, join guilds and socialize - because the game needs us to do so. It's good for the community and ultimately good for ZOS.

DoctorESO · February 2018

ArchMikem wrote: »

I've run into the problem, Master's Resto Staff is in many end game Healer builds, yet dsa is a 4-person Trial and no one wants to do it. So how is one supposed to acquire these weapons when one can't get a group.

DSA is just a very long, hard Dungeon practically, so have it included in the Finder with a level restriction like the dlc dungeons.

Yes, please!

Smmokkee · February 2018

kongkim wrote: »

Good idea. And all trails aswell.

I agree. Every activity should be in the dungeon finder.

I think people think the content is harder then it actually is.

Ep1kMalware · February 2018

redspecter23 wrote: »

By all means add it to the group finder, but I don't think it will work the magic you think it will. It will just group up all the "I want a master resto even though my dps is 7k" together in one group. Wanting to complete content does not automatically make that content doable. People here vastly overestimate the skill level of an average player in this game.

This. Then come waterfalls of blame threads regarding casuals/elitests/nerfs etc. People run it in zone all the time.

The problem I have, and I'm sure many people have is why would I want to use the pug finder for vdsa when most normal fg2 groups can't get past gamye bandu?

It's not about time, because I already invested, and still invest time into my build, and invested time into learning dsa. We do that so we don't have to spend 6hrs per run, because we invested those 6 hours more prodictively. Those who havent invested time into anything (and that's most people) are never going to beat it.

Juju_beans · February 2018

Smmokkee wrote: »

kongkim wrote: »

Good idea. And all trails aswell.

I agree. Every activity should be in the dungeon finder.

I think people think the content is harder then it actually is.

Do you want to do a trial with fake tanks and fake healers in your group ?

anitajoneb17_ESO · February 2018

Smmokkee wrote: »

I think people think the content is harder then it actually is.

We've run it. That's why we *know* it's not actually puggable.

SoLooney · February 2018

cause pugs are horrible for dungeons, im sure you can put 2 and 2 together to figure out how it is gonna end in vdsa

DoctorESO · February 2018

Juju_beans wrote: »

Smmokkee wrote: »

kongkim wrote: »

Good idea. And all trails aswell.

I agree. Every activity should be in the dungeon finder.

I think people think the content is harder then it actually is.

Do you want to do a trial with fake tanks and fake healers in your group ?

NO! Not at all.

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO · February 2018

best joke of the day.
so now getting back of it...in theory a dungeon should take in vet like 25-30 mins max where DSA takes 5 mins per each arena assuming u do flawless without wipes...so now before you get some more bright ideas stop pugging and get an actual pve guild then you wont come to forums and ask for stupid things cuz you will be too busy doing some actual content...casuals these days...whats gona be next? vet trials in dungeon finder? the moment u can pug vMoL HM its the moment you realize the game is completely done for.

NewBlacksmurf · February 2018

Smmokkee wrote: »

kongkim wrote: »

Good idea. And all trails aswell.

I agree. Every activity should be in the dungeon finder.

I think people think the content is harder then it actually is.

Yes because if more people ran it as often as they ran the regular dungeons it would make these a lot easier.

They are only harder because most have never run them, let alone had run them with all of their diff characters every week.

Which....by the way....would make vet dungeons a lot easier because people would have better gear and experience with content that requires more thought and team work

dsalter · February 2018

its sad i'v never bothered to do dragonstar... was ill when it dropped and for a while after

Bobby_V_Rockit · February 2018

Never tried it, too scared that my dps is too low to bother honestly.

Ep1kMalware · February 2018

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

Never tried it, too scared that my dps is too low to bother honestly.

25k is more than adequate. Slot a self heal and go 3dps method. ;p

anitajoneb17_ESO · February 2018

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

Never tried it, too scared that my dps is too low to bother honestly.

25k is more than adequate. Slot a self heal and go 3dps method. ;p

LoL @Ep1kMalware . Someone worrying about his/her DPS is more likely to be in the 10-15K area than anywhere close to the 25K mark.

15-20K per DPS works, too. Did it. Admittedly, in those circumstances, mechanics, patience and coordination are more crucial than ever, and it takes time. But you don't need high DPS to complete VDSA.

Ep1kMalware · February 2018

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

Never tried it, too scared that my dps is too low to bother honestly.

25k is more than adequate. Slot a self heal and go 3dps method. ;p

LoL @Ep1kMalware . Someone worrying about his/her DPS is more likely to be in the 10-15K area than anywhere close to the 25K mark.

15-20K per DPS works, too. Did it. Admittedly, in those circumstances, mechanics, patience and coordination are more crucial than ever, and it takes time. But you don't need high DPS to complete VDSA.

I dunno, I have a couple mates who are self consciece about their dps and they're in the 30-35k self buff range. My stamplar is pushing about the best a stamplar can and sometimes I'll get an inv for vhof last boss or whatever, look at the group, amd feel self conscience. Even when I know we're doing about the same dps. >.>

I think it's more about the fear of evaluation/scrutiny more than dps.

Gargath · February 2018

I wouldn't go for vDSA in a PUG, only with guildies and the people I know. The risk of wasting a lot of time and resources for nothing is too high.