Is Skoria's 8% proc balanced, or too low?

ArchMikem · February 2018

I understand its a mainstream PvP set, but 8% feels too low to be any good. From a PvE standpoint ive gone through ten or so different mobs and the meteor only procced once so far. Shouldn't it at least be 10% so its in line with other sets?

Granted the set would come into play much more in end-game content where dungeon mobs have 100k health to burn through, giving you a much longer window for your DoTs to proc it.

Yakidafi · February 2018

Balanced.

Emma_Overload · February 2018

LOL, before they raise the proc rate of Skoria even one tenth of one percent, they need to give it a visual warning cue like all the other proc sets! Why can't they just give it the same cue as Meteor?

ArchMikem · February 2018

Emma_Overload wrote: »

LOL, before they raise the proc rate of Skoria even one tenth of one percent, they need to give it a visual warning cue like all the other proc sets! Why can't they just give it the same cue as Meteor?

The loud rumble isnt enough? I guess a red circle around the target wouldnt hurt too.

Juhasow · February 2018

ESO 2018. People complaining skoria is too weak...

MercTheMage · February 2018

Skoria is more than fine, try it on a DK or templar, that *** procs like crazy.

ArchMikem · February 2018

Juhasow wrote: »

ESO 2018. People complaining skoria is too weak...

Never said it was weak. I said the proc chance was low.

WuffyCerulei · February 2018

It procs a bit on any class that uses dots a lot, like templars, dragonknights, and nightblades if they use Crippling grasp.

Emma_Overload · February 2018

ArchMikem wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

LOL, before they raise the proc rate of Skoria even one tenth of one percent, they need to give it a visual warning cue like all the other proc sets! Why can't they just give it the same cue as Meteor?

The loud rumble isnt enough? I guess a red circle around the target wouldnt hurt too.

I'm usually getting shot at with million other things, I never hear the rumble.

Juhasow · February 2018

ArchMikem wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

ESO 2018. People complaining skoria is too weak...

Never said it was weak. I said the proc chance was low.

There is literally zero logic in those 2 sentences You've just said. One is contradicting another.

ArchMikem · February 2018

Juhasow wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

ESO 2018. People complaining skoria is too weak...

Never said it was weak. I said the proc chance was low.

There is literally zero logic in those 2 sentences You've just said. One is contradicting another.

Fine then, its potential uptime is weak.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · February 2018

If you have 3 or more dots ticking on a target, the 8% is fine. @ArchMikem when you say " ten or so different mobs", is that overland or in a dungeon? Because overland stuff dies so fast anyways.

ChildOfLight · February 2018

My Cyro experience is litterally just flame balls crashing on my head.

I would not say proc chance is low.

Rainingblood · February 2018

Juhasow wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

ESO 2018. People complaining skoria is too weak...

Never said it was weak. I said the proc chance was low.

There is literally zero logic in those 2 sentences You've just said. One is contradicting another.

Actually, no. Strength and frequency are different things. And they do not contradict each other.

boombazookajd · February 2018

I use it along with Red Mountain in my build and I find that it procs just fine. On a boss it can proc 2 or 3 times. On a skelly I've had it proc 4 times.

considering it has a 5 sec cd and has splash damage, I think this is very fair and balanced.

Ragnarock41 · February 2018

Its not weak. you can stack multiple dots on something like a magDk/magplar and force it to proc on cooldown basically.

VaranisArano · February 2018

Is it still a commonly used set in PVP on multiple classes? That's a good hint that its not too low.

Chilly-McFreeze · February 2018

Rainingblood wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

ESO 2018. People complaining skoria is too weak...

Never said it was weak. I said the proc chance was low.

There is literally zero logic in those 2 sentences You've just said. One is contradicting another.

Actually, no. Strength and frequency are different things. And they do not contradict each other.

So a 1% chance to insta kill a boss/ player would be balanced?

On topic: It's balanced. You have to run multiple dots to get a good uptime. DoTs are not that strong in PvP compared to burst. So you have to make a choice. If you raise the proc chance to a level where relative few DoTs can proc it close to on-cooldown you could still invest more into burst and therefore making the trade off not as important as it is.

It already has a sound cue and a delay. I feel mixed about a visual indicator if it's as obvious as the meteor ulti one. But it would be just fair if a small red circle appears. As a skoria user, I found it annoying that it procs on the player I didn't focus at the moment. Hell, I don't even know who it will hit until it comes down.

Ragnarock41 · February 2018

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Rainingblood wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

ESO 2018. People complaining skoria is too weak...

Never said it was weak. I said the proc chance was low.

There is literally zero logic in those 2 sentences You've just said. One is contradicting another.

Actually, no. Strength and frequency are different things. And they do not contradict each other.

So a 1% chance to insta kill a boss/ player would be balanced?

you mean implosion?

Jitterbug · February 2018

I vote balanced

Chilly-McFreeze · February 2018

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Rainingblood wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

ESO 2018. People complaining skoria is too weak...

Never said it was weak. I said the proc chance was low.

There is literally zero logic in those 2 sentences You've just said. One is contradicting another.

Actually, no. Strength and frequency are different things. And they do not contradict each other.

So a 1% chance to insta kill a boss/ player would be balanced?

you mean implosion?

Sort off

But on a serious note, implosion doesn't instakills bosses or player (without being in execute area). Dmg scales off your max health, it has a 6% chance and a really tight threshold. So tight that any other non-dot would kill you anyway. But I said it before and I say it again: RNG passives are bad. Unfair for the reciever, unreliable for the sorc. So I'd be fine if they change it to something that is reliable AND usefull.

Savos_Saren · February 2018

I think it's pretty balanced.

For those of you complaining that it's OP- fine... put a 1 second visual on it and raise the proc chance to 10-15% to bring it in line with Selene and Tremorscale. Oh, and you can change the first piece to max magicka... just to equal "balance".

Ragnarock41 · February 2018

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Rainingblood wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

ESO 2018. People complaining skoria is too weak...

Never said it was weak. I said the proc chance was low.

There is literally zero logic in those 2 sentences You've just said. One is contradicting another.

Actually, no. Strength and frequency are different things. And they do not contradict each other.

So a 1% chance to insta kill a boss/ player would be balanced?

you mean implosion?

Sort off But on a serious note, implosion doesn't instakills bosses or player (without being in execute area). Dmg scales off your max health, it has a 6% chance and a really tight threshold. So tight that any other non-dot would kill you anyway. But I said it before and I say it again: RNG passives are bad. Unfair for the reciever, unreliable for the sorc. So I'd be fine if they change it to something that is reliable AND usefull.

I don't think sorc needs any other reliable passive, they are already overloaded with good passives.

I would move implosion to Dks and give sorcs their old c.frags back.

Chilly-McFreeze · February 2018

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Rainingblood wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

ESO 2018. People complaining skoria is too weak...

Never said it was weak. I said the proc chance was low.

There is literally zero logic in those 2 sentences You've just said. One is contradicting another.

Actually, no. Strength and frequency are different things. And they do not contradict each other.

So a 1% chance to insta kill a boss/ player would be balanced?

you mean implosion?

Sort off But on a serious note, implosion doesn't instakills bosses or player (without being in execute area). Dmg scales off your max health, it has a 6% chance and a really tight threshold. So tight that any other non-dot would kill you anyway. But I said it before and I say it again: RNG passives are bad. Unfair for the reciever, unreliable for the sorc. So I'd be fine if they change it to something that is reliable AND usefull.

I don't think sorc needs any other reliable passive, they are already overloaded with good passives.

I would move implosion to Dks and give sorcs their old c.frags back.

I believe every stam sorc will disagree with that.

Ragnaroek93 · February 2018

Do you really think that 5k procs on opponents in PvP are too weak?

olsborg · February 2018

Skoria is too strong already in pvp, does not need buffed, id rather see it nerfed abit.

IZZEFlameLash · February 2018

Skoria should be the gold standard for all monster proc sets. It is very balanced. Lesser the dot on target, less the proc chance. It does decent amount of damage. Nothing too over the top but still survivable damage. Been on both receiving and giving ends and it is very well balanced. It's not really OP given that it has to be procced with dots and many dots if you want to proc it as often and deals 5k damage. Heck, there are people with 5k or higher spammables on targets with high resists.

kyle.wilson · February 2018

On my magicka NB it procs so often the sound effect gets annoying.

Anybody complaining about the frequency of the proc, don't have enough DOTs to justify using it. If you are running a build with lots of DOTs it will proc the every 5 secs with ease.

Solariken · February 2018

8% too low? OP have you actually equipped this set?

It procs consistently on cooldown in PvE. In PvP it's slightly less but still enough to be reliable in every fight.

It feels about right overall, but a visual indicator for the victim would be nice.

Dojohoda · February 2018

One has to keep the dots rolling to have nice performance from Skoria.

WatchYourSixx · February 2018

On a 70 second fight on my Magicka DK, I usually get 12-13 procs from skoria. This means that it usually procs once every ~5 seconds or so which is the cooldown. It always does more dps than grothdarr for me, unless there's multiple targets that last longer. It deals more damage than illambris too. It doesn't work for every class, but Zenimax finally got it right with skoria back in one Tamriel. It doesn't need to be changed, you just need more dots to proc it!

My dk usually has 6 dots on a Target at all times, sometimes with a 7th thrown into the mix with an ultimate. Compare that to a mag nightblade who only has 3 usually, or 4 with an ultimate. Sorc typically only having 2, maybe 3 and 4 with an ultimate. Templar would be the next best with 5, especially since their jabs count as a dot. And I'm not saying the classes are limited by the numbers above, just that is what people typically run with.