Include Dragonstar Arena in the Activity Finder under Restriction

ArchMikem · February 2018

I've run into the problem, Master's Resto Staff is in many end game Healer builds, yet dsa is a 4-person Trial and no one wants to do it. So how is one supposed to acquire these weapons when one can't get a group.

DSA is just a very long, hard Dungeon practically, so have it included in the Finder with a level restriction like the dlc dungeons.

ForsakenSin · February 2018

i know that would be awesome i want the desto lighting staff and ive managed to finish it few times but its sooooooo hard getting people to join VDSA

but there should be a verification like must finish on normal to enter

Ep1kMalware · February 2018

ArchMikem wrote: »

I've run into the problem, Master's Resto Staff is in many end game Healer builds, yet dsa is a 4-person Trial and no one wants to do it. So how is one supposed to acquire these weapons when one can't get a group.

DSA is just a very long, hard Dungeon practically, so have it included in the Finder with a level restriction like the dlc dungeons.

LOL

Ep1kMalware · February 2018

What will you do if they put this in the game and you find out people dont want you i the group. Like everyone else who uses it.

ArchMikem · February 2018

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

What will you do if they put this in the game and you find out people dont want you i the group. Like everyone else who uses it.

Why you asking me? Im sure that happens to you all the time.

Ep1kMalware · February 2018

ArchMikem wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

What will you do if they put this in the game and you find out people dont want you i the group. Like everyone else who uses it.

Why you asking me? Im sure that happens to you all the time.

All the time.

Aliyavana · February 2018

I'm afraid that dungeon finder pugs will ask for vdsa to be nerfed and that's why we cant have features like this

Ep1kMalware · February 2018

aliyavana wrote: »

I'm afraid that dungeon finder pugs will ask for vdsa to be nerfed and that's why we cant have features like this

Well, somebody made a fake patch noted about animation cancelling and all those mouthbreathing stupids think it does something beyond stopping your stam regen for 2 seconds.

FrancisCrawford · February 2018

I can think of two reasons not to:

1. It is said to be very long, so all the standard problems of PUGs would have their effects magnified.

2. Anything with particularly desirable/popular gear will attract people who really shouldn't be doing the content yet.

ccfeeling · February 2018

Oops...I think VDSA is OK , not too hard , much more easy than lastest DLC VDUN HM .
Role choice is flexible , tank is not really required for common run .

All you have to do is join a guild or make more friends , it takes about 2 hours for 1st run , 1 ~ 1.5 when you are getting better .

But the drops are nerfed...master restro is still ok ... other are trashes .

I like VDSA , really funny dungeon , I wish VDSA 2 will be released one day .

Sorry , back to your point , group finder is not an good idea . It's not a PUG friendly dungeon .

Feanor · February 2018

No. Please no. The outbreak of nerf cries would be tremendous.

Tasear · February 2018

ccfeeling wrote: »

Oops...I think VDSA is OK , not too hard , much more easy than lastest DLC VDUN HM .
Role choice is flexible , tank is not really required for common run .

All you have to do is join a guild or make more friends , it takes about 2 hours for 1st run , 1 ~ 1.5 when you are getting better .

But the drops are nerfed...master restro is still ok ... other are trashes .

I like VDSA , really funny dungeon , I wish VDSA 2 will be released one day .

Sorry , back to your point , group finder is not an good idea . It's not a PUG friendly dungeon .

Master bow is quite powerful

erlewine · February 2018

good idea

MattT1988 · February 2018

No thanks. I don’t think it’s very hard to find a group for it these days, on PS4 anyway, there is usually someone asking in zone in Craglorn.

Mister_DMC · February 2018

ccfeeling wrote: »

Oops...I think VDSA is OK , not too hard , much more easy than lastest DLC VDUN HM .
Role choice is flexible , tank is not really required for common run .

All you have to do is join a guild or make more friends , it takes about 2 hours for 1st run , 1 ~ 1.5 when you are getting better .

But the drops are nerfed...master restro is still ok ... other are trashes .

I like VDSA , really funny dungeon , I wish VDSA 2 will be released one day .

Sorry , back to your point , group finder is not an good idea . It's not a PUG friendly dungeon .

I'm guessing you haven't done it in a while. All weapon drops are good now. They all got buffed and are viable for something. Also when it got scaled to cp160 it was made quite a bit more difficult. I'd like to see it done without a tank. Without a healer yeah it's possible, no tank... Don't think so.

idk · February 2018

ArchMikem wrote: »

I've run into the problem, Master's Resto Staff is in many end game Healer builds, yet dsa is a 4-person Trial and no one wants to do it. So how is one supposed to acquire these weapons when one can't get a group.

DSA is just a very long, hard Dungeon practically, so have it included in the Finder with a level restriction like the dlc dungeons.

Find a better guild. vDSA in GF would be a train wreck. Level restrictions would do nothing to prevent that as decent players will form their own group rather than deal with GF for such content.

It would be entertaining seeing the complaint threads if they did add it since few GF groups would clear it and everyone will blame the other 3 in the group.

josiahva · February 2018

I could only WISH they would add vDSA to group finder. I have yet to do this dungeon on vet just because I can never find a group for it. I pug all the vet DLC dungeons, HM or not without issue and a success rate of about 80%, it cant possibly be much worse. Dont even put it in the random, make it a specific dungeon option only.

Kuramas9tails · February 2018

If you try and random queue VDSA, you wont beat it and you will end up more upset.

Yolokin_Swagonborn · February 2018

aliyavana wrote: »

I'm afraid that dungeon finder pugs will ask for vdsa to be nerfed and that's why we cant have features like this

Why is that a bad thing? Its not like its actually fun. Its just tedious crap you have to do to get your weapon to do content you actually like.

Do you really like hearing that annoying announcer voice for an hour? Most content in this game is really just gear grind gates.

josiahva · February 2018

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

If you try and random queue VDSA, you wont beat it and you will end up more upset.

You don't seem to understand how to pug a dungeon. Let me lay out the steps for you.

1. You queue for a vet DLC dungeon(or in this case vDSA)
2. You wipe the first time...and the 2nd, and the 3rd, etc. but each time you get better at each fight.
3. Eventually you can prevail in each and every fight personally, congratulations!
4. Other players go through the same process you went through and eventually they too can prevail in the fights.
5. You get grouped with other players who have honed their skills enough to pass all the bosses.
6. You clear the content...as a pug.

I have done this with each and every vet DLC dungeon(and back in the day with regular vet dungeons) so it is easily done...all it takes is persistence from those interested in doing the dungeon. I call this progression pugging, it works, and will work a lot better if its not included as random but rather as specific.

Yolokin_Swagonborn · February 2018

josiahva wrote: »

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

If you try and random queue VDSA, you wont beat it and you will end up more upset.

You don't seem to understand how to pug a dungeon. Let me lay out the steps for you.

1. You queue for a vet DLC dungeon(or in this case vDSA)
2. You wipe the first time...and the 2nd, and the 3rd, etc. but each time you get better at each fight.
3. Eventually you can prevail in each and every fight personally, congratulations!
4. Other players go through the same process you went through and eventually they too can prevail in the fights.
5. You get grouped with other players who have honed their skills enough to pass all the bosses.
6. You clear the content...as a pug.

I have done this with each and every vet DLC dungeon(and back in the day with regular vet dungeons) so it is easily done...all it takes is persistence from those interested in doing the dungeon. I call this progression pugging, it works.

It works for people with patience.

josiahva · February 2018

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

josiahva wrote: »

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

If you try and random queue VDSA, you wont beat it and you will end up more upset.

You don't seem to understand how to pug a dungeon. Let me lay out the steps for you.

1. You queue for a vet DLC dungeon(or in this case vDSA)
2. You wipe the first time...and the 2nd, and the 3rd, etc. but each time you get better at each fight.
3. Eventually you can prevail in each and every fight personally, congratulations!
4. Other players go through the same process you went through and eventually they too can prevail in the fights.
5. You get grouped with other players who have honed their skills enough to pass all the bosses.
6. You clear the content...as a pug.

I have done this with each and every vet DLC dungeon(and back in the day with regular vet dungeons) so it is easily done...all it takes is persistence from those interested in doing the dungeon. I call this progression pugging, it works.

It works for people with patience.

True, but its not the content for you if you don't have the patience, regardless of the group, without the patience to learn yourself you are just being carried by others

kongkim · February 2018

Good idea. And all trails aswell.

anitajoneb17_ESO · February 2018

josiahva wrote: »

I pug all the vet DLC dungeons, HM or not without issue and a success rate of about 80%, it cant possibly be much worse.

It is. VDSA belongs to the very top hardest contents in the game and really requires time, patience, willpower and coordination.
You'll agree once you've done it once.

While top players can wrap it in under an hour, most groups need 3 to 6 hours to get through.
Imagine if those are PUGs... no commitment, people throwing faults at each other, dropping out, being replaced by other people right in the middle of arena 6 or whatever... ?? No no no.

I understand your frustration : I also would like to run it more often and it's hard to find SUITABLE (good enough and friendly enough) to run VDSA even though I belong to several guilds. But that's what it is. I don't see group finder as an adequate alternative. Craglorn zone chat is better, at least you can chat with folks prior to commitment.

anitajoneb17_ESO · February 2018

josiahva wrote: »

I call this progression pugging, it works

It works for content that requires 1/2 to 1 hour to complete. It would not work with VDSA. People would drop out.
Each time I finished VDSA (in its current, hard state) it was late at night, after 3 to 6 hours in it, fingers sore and eyes bleeding. Happy, but exhausted. I wouldn't do that with PUGs. VDSA is content to play with friends and with friends only.

kongkim · February 2018

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

josiahva wrote: »

I call this progression pugging, it works

It works for content that requires 1/2 to 1 hour to complete. It would not work with VDSA. People would drop out.
Each time I finished VDSA (in its current, hard state) it was late at night, after 3 to 6 hours in it, fingers sore and eyes bleeding. Happy, but exhausted. I wouldn't do that with PUGs. VDSA is content to play with friends and with friends only.

And you can still play it only with your friends if they put it into the group finder. No one is forcing you to use it.
But it will allow a lot more people to try it out. Maybe they fail maybe they don't. But it's not your problem.

So can't see the reason way not.

LeagueTroll · February 2018

ccfeeling wrote: »

Oops...I think VDSA is OK , not too hard , much more easy than lastest DLC VDUN HM .
Role choice is flexible , tank is not really required for common run .

All you have to do is join a guild or make more friends , it takes about 2 hours for 1st run , 1 ~ 1.5 when you are getting better .

But the drops are nerfed...master restro is still ok ... other are trashes .

I like VDSA , really funny dungeon , I wish VDSA 2 will be released one day .

Sorry , back to your point , group finder is not an good idea . It's not a PUG friendly dungeon .

I think dual axe is good, seen some op af bleed pvp builds.

anitajoneb17_ESO · February 2018

kongkim wrote: »

So can't see the reason way not.

To make a long explanation shorter : because it would cause conflicts and issues within the playerbase, much worse than group finder for 4-man dungeons causes right now.
And that's ZOS' problem, my problem, your problem, everyone's problem. We must take care of the playerbase.

altemriel · February 2018

ArchMikem wrote: »

I've run into the problem, Master's Resto Staff is in many end game Healer builds, yet dsa is a 4-person Trial and no one wants to do it. So how is one supposed to acquire these weapons when one can't get a group.

DSA is just a very long, hard Dungeon practically, so have it included in the Finder with a level restriction like the dlc dungeons.

that would be nice indeed!!!

and also trials into the LFG tool pls!!

redspecter23 · February 2018

By all means add it to the group finder, but I don't think it will work the magic you think it will. It will just group up all the "I want a master resto even though my dps is 7k" together in one group. Wanting to complete content does not automatically make that content doable. People here vastly overestimate the skill level of an average player in this game.

NewBlacksmurf · February 2018

Just add it on there the same as vet dungeons for the vet version and the same as level 45 for normal just like the later normal dungeons.