Ground AOEs are cancelling themselves after a weapon swap

ecru · February 2018

Encountered this last night in vmol when I kept noticing my endless hail would cancel itself over and over again when I'd try to use it after a bar swap and couldn't really figure out why. Seems that both endless hail and caltrops (and possibly others) are cancelling themselves if activated immediately after a weapon swap. Any abilities used before doesn't seem to make any difference, it happens every time if you swap too fast.

Endless hail in combat:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCJ9Vv0LVgo
Caltrops in and out of combat:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sa5CqKrJfw

https://youtu.be/I7GyonrLhLE

Happens with all addons disabled too. Anyone else having this issue?

Erraln · February 2018

Oh, so that's NOT just my client, excellent! /s

Yep, can confirm, was happening while parsing on Sorc and maybe NB too, I'll have to look again for specific abilities.

Somber97866 · February 2018

Wow! I'm actually not looking forward to dragon bones on console if it means the game will perform worse than it does now. If it's bad on pc it's usually 10x worse on console.

Ep1kMalware · February 2018

ecru wrote: »

Encountered this last night in vmol when I kept noticing my endless hail would cancel itself over and over again when I'd try to use it after a bar swap and couldn't really figure out why. Seems that both endless hail and caltrops (and possibly others) are cancelling themselves if activated immediately after a weapon swap. Any abilities used before doesn't seem to make any difference, it happens every time if you swap too fast.

Endless hail in combat:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCJ9Vv0LVgo
Caltrops in and out of combat:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sa5CqKrJfw
https://youtu.be/I7GyonrLhLE

Happens with all addons disabled too. Anyone else having this issue?

That's a nasty bug, but the better question is why are you weapon swapping with endless hail/caltrops and letting poison injection scale to your bow bar?

Poison injection is an impact bar scaling dot, so you should swap after casting this ability so that it scales off your dw bar. Furthermore, begin with hail and either:

Immediately use caltops (they fire off very smoothly)

Or

Double tap light attack then caltrops to proc 5% damage increase for bow abilities. This should increase your dps a bit and help you out with that bug.

MLRPZ · February 2018

You have the "quick cast abilities" option on on ?
I wasn't in pve, but I pvped yrsterday and I had notice no issue with both endless hail and caltrops after bar swaping cuz I disabled the quick cast thing

getemshauna · February 2018

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

ecru wrote: »

Encountered this last night in vmol when I kept noticing my endless hail would cancel itself over and over again when I'd try to use it after a bar swap and couldn't really figure out why. Seems that both endless hail and caltrops (and possibly others) are cancelling themselves if activated immediately after a weapon swap. Any abilities used before doesn't seem to make any difference, it happens every time if you swap too fast.

Endless hail in combat:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCJ9Vv0LVgo
Caltrops in and out of combat:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sa5CqKrJfw
https://youtu.be/I7GyonrLhLE

Happens with all addons disabled too. Anyone else having this issue?

That's a nasty bug, but the better question is why are you weapon swapping with endless hail/caltrops and letting poison injection scale to your bow bar?

Poison injection is an impact bar scaling dot, so you should swap after casting this ability so that it scales off your dw bar. Furthermore, begin with hail and either:

Immediately use caltops (they fire off very smoothly)

Or

Double tap light attack then caltrops to proc 5% damage increase for bow abilities. This should increase your dps a bit and help you out with that bug.

What about trash packs where u wanna cancel ur caltrops :-)

Ep1kMalware · February 2018

gethemshauna wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

ecru wrote: »

Encountered this last night in vmol when I kept noticing my endless hail would cancel itself over and over again when I'd try to use it after a bar swap and couldn't really figure out why. Seems that both endless hail and caltrops (and possibly others) are cancelling themselves if activated immediately after a weapon swap. Any abilities used before doesn't seem to make any difference, it happens every time if you swap too fast.

Endless hail in combat:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCJ9Vv0LVgo
Caltrops in and out of combat:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sa5CqKrJfw
https://youtu.be/I7GyonrLhLE

Happens with all addons disabled too. Anyone else having this issue?

That's a nasty bug, but the better question is why are you weapon swapping with endless hail/caltrops and letting poison injection scale to your bow bar?

Poison injection is an impact bar scaling dot, so you should swap after casting this ability so that it scales off your dw bar. Furthermore, begin with hail and either:

Immediately use caltops (they fire off very smoothly)

Or

Double tap light attack then caltrops to proc 5% damage increase for bow abilities. This should increase your dps a bit and help you out with that bug.

What about trash packs where u wanna cancel ur caltrops :-)

again I have to ask why? Even in trash packs you focus on a priority target. In vmol for instance, even in trash, you are focusing single target damage to a priority target, probably a sun eater or dreadstalker. In craglorn trials it's probably and overcharger or flame spinner, in hof it's probably a capaciter. No matter the case you always focusing single target toward something. So why bail out on a strong dot with execute damage?

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · February 2018

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

ecru wrote: »

Encountered this last night in vmol when I kept noticing my endless hail would cancel itself over and over again when I'd try to use it after a bar swap and couldn't really figure out why. Seems that both endless hail and caltrops (and possibly others) are cancelling themselves if activated immediately after a weapon swap. Any abilities used before doesn't seem to make any difference, it happens every time if you swap too fast.

Endless hail in combat:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCJ9Vv0LVgo
Caltrops in and out of combat:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sa5CqKrJfw
https://youtu.be/I7GyonrLhLE

Happens with all addons disabled too. Anyone else having this issue?

That's a nasty bug, but the better question is why are you weapon swapping with endless hail/caltrops and letting poison injection scale to your bow bar?

Poison injection is an impact bar scaling dot, so you should swap after casting this ability so that it scales off your dw bar. Furthermore, begin with hail and either:

Posion injection recalculates every tick, it takes the current bar you have on stats into account. Also why cruel flurry is junk.

See here- https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4456953#Comment_4456953

Ep1kMalware · February 2018

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

ecru wrote: »

Encountered this last night in vmol when I kept noticing my endless hail would cancel itself over and over again when I'd try to use it after a bar swap and couldn't really figure out why. Seems that both endless hail and caltrops (and possibly others) are cancelling themselves if activated immediately after a weapon swap. Any abilities used before doesn't seem to make any difference, it happens every time if you swap too fast.

Endless hail in combat:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCJ9Vv0LVgo
Caltrops in and out of combat:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sa5CqKrJfw
https://youtu.be/I7GyonrLhLE

Happens with all addons disabled too. Anyone else having this issue?

That's a nasty bug, but the better question is why are you weapon swapping with endless hail/caltrops and letting poison injection scale to your bow bar?

Poison injection is an impact bar scaling dot, so you should swap after casting this ability so that it scales off your dw bar. Furthermore, begin with hail and either:

Posion injection recalculates every tick, it takes the current bar you have on stats into account. Also why cruel flurry is junk.

See here- https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4456953#Comment_4456953

Not quite, it has delayed damage (similar to trap beast, also an impact bar dot). The entire scaling of this dot is effected by what bar you are on when the first tick of damage you applied.

There is a huge reddit page/tamriel foundry discussion on these 2 particular skills. I used to have them bookmarked, it seems I don't anymore. Either way a quick google will bring up alot of great info.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · February 2018

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

ecru wrote: »

Encountered this last night in vmol when I kept noticing my endless hail would cancel itself over and over again when I'd try to use it after a bar swap and couldn't really figure out why. Seems that both endless hail and caltrops (and possibly others) are cancelling themselves if activated immediately after a weapon swap. Any abilities used before doesn't seem to make any difference, it happens every time if you swap too fast.

Endless hail in combat:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCJ9Vv0LVgo
Caltrops in and out of combat:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sa5CqKrJfw
https://youtu.be/I7GyonrLhLE

Happens with all addons disabled too. Anyone else having this issue?

That's a nasty bug, but the better question is why are you weapon swapping with endless hail/caltrops and letting poison injection scale to your bow bar?

Poison injection is an impact bar scaling dot, so you should swap after casting this ability so that it scales off your dw bar. Furthermore, begin with hail and either:

Posion injection recalculates every tick, it takes the current bar you have on stats into account. Also why cruel flurry is junk.

See here- https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4456953#Comment_4456953

Not quite, it has delayed damage (similar to trap beast, also an impact bar dot). The entire scaling of this dot is effected by what bar you are on when the first tick of damage you applied.

There is a huge reddit page/tamriel foundry discussion on these 2 particular skills. I used to have them bookmarked, it seems I don't anymore. Either way a quick google will bring up alot of great info.

Lol, not quite reading the link I posted did you?

What you are saying is literally the opposite of what the patch notes say. It used to be the way you state but they changed it, in the patch that I linked to.

Peekachu99 · February 2018

This is happening with Eye of the Storm on occasion, too.

Lynx7386 · February 2018

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

ecru wrote: »

Encountered this last night in vmol when I kept noticing my endless hail would cancel itself over and over again when I'd try to use it after a bar swap and couldn't really figure out why. Seems that both endless hail and caltrops (and possibly others) are cancelling themselves if activated immediately after a weapon swap. Any abilities used before doesn't seem to make any difference, it happens every time if you swap too fast.

Endless hail in combat:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCJ9Vv0LVgo
Caltrops in and out of combat:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sa5CqKrJfw
https://youtu.be/I7GyonrLhLE

Happens with all addons disabled too. Anyone else having this issue?

That's a nasty bug, but the better question is why are you weapon swapping with endless hail/caltrops and letting poison injection scale to your bow bar?

Poison injection is an impact bar scaling dot, so you should swap after casting this ability so that it scales off your dw bar. Furthermore, begin with hail and either:

Immediately use caltops (they fire off very smoothly)

Or

Double tap light attack then caltrops to proc 5% damage increase for bow abilities. This should increase your dps a bit and help you out with that bug.

Caltrops lasts 12 seconds, endless hail lasts 10, always want to cast endless hail second before moving to your dual wield bar IMO.

Kanar · February 2018

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

ecru wrote: »

Encountered this last night in vmol when I kept noticing my endless hail would cancel itself over and over again when I'd try to use it after a bar swap and couldn't really figure out why. Seems that both endless hail and caltrops (and possibly others) are cancelling themselves if activated immediately after a weapon swap. Any abilities used before doesn't seem to make any difference, it happens every time if you swap too fast.

Endless hail in combat:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCJ9Vv0LVgo
Caltrops in and out of combat:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sa5CqKrJfw
https://youtu.be/I7GyonrLhLE

Happens with all addons disabled too. Anyone else having this issue?

That's a nasty bug, but the better question is why are you weapon swapping with endless hail/caltrops and letting poison injection scale to your bow bar?

Poison injection is an impact bar scaling dot, so you should swap after casting this ability so that it scales off your dw bar. Furthermore, begin with hail and either:

Posion injection recalculates every tick, it takes the current bar you have on stats into account. Also why cruel flurry is junk.

See here- https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4456953#Comment_4456953

Not quite, it has delayed damage (similar to trap beast, also an impact bar dot). The entire scaling of this dot is effected by what bar you are on when the first tick of damage you applied.

There is a huge reddit page/tamriel foundry discussion on these 2 particular skills. I used to have them bookmarked, it seems I don't anymore. Either way a quick google will bring up alot of great info.

You're wrong; PI was fixed so that it's damage correctly ramps up as HP drops (execute bonus). This change effectively made it behave like a ground placed dot. As the linked patch note says...

Destruent · February 2018

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

ecru wrote: »

Encountered this last night in vmol when I kept noticing my endless hail would cancel itself over and over again when I'd try to use it after a bar swap and couldn't really figure out why. Seems that both endless hail and caltrops (and possibly others) are cancelling themselves if activated immediately after a weapon swap. Any abilities used before doesn't seem to make any difference, it happens every time if you swap too fast.

Endless hail in combat:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCJ9Vv0LVgo
Caltrops in and out of combat:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sa5CqKrJfw
https://youtu.be/I7GyonrLhLE

Happens with all addons disabled too. Anyone else having this issue?

That's a nasty bug, but the better question is why are you weapon swapping with endless hail/caltrops and letting poison injection scale to your bow bar?

Poison injection is an impact bar scaling dot, so you should swap after casting this ability so that it scales off your dw bar. Furthermore, begin with hail and either:

Immediately use caltops (they fire off very smoothly)

Or

Double tap light attack then caltrops to proc 5% damage increase for bow abilities. This should increase your dps a bit and help you out with that bug.

Caltrops lasts 12 seconds, endless hail lasts 10, always want to cast endless hail second before moving to your dual wield bar IMO.

No, you will have to make sure endless hail hits an enemy while you are on your bow-bar to activate the maelstrome-bonus. So it's usually: endless hail --> caltrops --> poison injection-->bar swap (for higher first hit of PI)

Swapping caltrops and hail will not change anything for caltrops, bc the time between each caltrops-cast will still be the same...just a second earlier every rotation.

Ep1kMalware · February 2018

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

ecru wrote: »

Encountered this last night in vmol when I kept noticing my endless hail would cancel itself over and over again when I'd try to use it after a bar swap and couldn't really figure out why. Seems that both endless hail and caltrops (and possibly others) are cancelling themselves if activated immediately after a weapon swap. Any abilities used before doesn't seem to make any difference, it happens every time if you swap too fast.

Endless hail in combat:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCJ9Vv0LVgo
Caltrops in and out of combat:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sa5CqKrJfw
https://youtu.be/I7GyonrLhLE

Happens with all addons disabled too. Anyone else having this issue?

That's a nasty bug, but the better question is why are you weapon swapping with endless hail/caltrops and letting poison injection scale to your bow bar?

Poison injection is an impact bar scaling dot, so you should swap after casting this ability so that it scales off your dw bar. Furthermore, begin with hail and either:

Posion injection recalculates every tick, it takes the current bar you have on stats into account. Also why cruel flurry is junk.

See here- https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4456953#Comment_4456953

Not quite, it has delayed damage (similar to trap beast, also an impact bar dot). The entire scaling of this dot is effected by what bar you are on when the first tick of damage you applied.

There is a huge reddit page/tamriel foundry discussion on these 2 particular skills. I used to have them bookmarked, it seems I don't anymore. Either way a quick google will bring up alot of great info.

Lol, not quite reading the link I posted did you?

What you are saying is literally the opposite of what the patch notes say. It used to be the way you state but they changed it, in the patch that I linked to.

No, you're misinformed. There was a period where all the execute were broken, you're reading the patch note where they fixed it. There are 2 types of dots in this game. Dots that scale off your current bar, usually these are going to be gtaoes, channels, set procs, weapon enchantments, etc.

The other type has a delayed trigger, or impact bar dot. These dots scale to the bar you're on when the first tick occurs. LOOK it up, git informed. I even have a youtube video demonstrating the difference. Either way you're beginning to talk out of your ass at this point.

Destruent · February 2018

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

ecru wrote: »

Encountered this last night in vmol when I kept noticing my endless hail would cancel itself over and over again when I'd try to use it after a bar swap and couldn't really figure out why. Seems that both endless hail and caltrops (and possibly others) are cancelling themselves if activated immediately after a weapon swap. Any abilities used before doesn't seem to make any difference, it happens every time if you swap too fast.

Endless hail in combat:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCJ9Vv0LVgo
Caltrops in and out of combat:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sa5CqKrJfw
https://youtu.be/I7GyonrLhLE

Happens with all addons disabled too. Anyone else having this issue?

That's a nasty bug, but the better question is why are you weapon swapping with endless hail/caltrops and letting poison injection scale to your bow bar?

Poison injection is an impact bar scaling dot, so you should swap after casting this ability so that it scales off your dw bar. Furthermore, begin with hail and either:

Posion injection recalculates every tick, it takes the current bar you have on stats into account. Also why cruel flurry is junk.

See here- https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4456953#Comment_4456953

Not quite, it has delayed damage (similar to trap beast, also an impact bar dot). The entire scaling of this dot is effected by what bar you are on when the first tick of damage you applied.

There is a huge reddit page/tamriel foundry discussion on these 2 particular skills. I used to have them bookmarked, it seems I don't anymore. Either way a quick google will bring up alot of great info.

Lol, not quite reading the link I posted did you?

What you are saying is literally the opposite of what the patch notes say. It used to be the way you state but they changed it, in the patch that I linked to.

No, you're misinformed. There was a period where all the execute were broken, you're reading the patch note where they fixed it. There are 2 types of dots in this game. Dots that scale off your current bar, usually these are going to be gtaoes, channels, set procs, weapon enchantments, etc.

The other type has a delayed trigger, or impact bar dot. These dots scale to the bar you're on when the first tick occurs. LOOK it up, git informed. I even have a youtube video demonstrating the difference. Either way you're beginning to talk out of your ass at this point.

poison injection recalculates with every single tick. It behaves like it consists of multiple dots with 1 tick each...

Ep1kMalware · February 2018

Kanar wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

ecru wrote: »

Encountered this last night in vmol when I kept noticing my endless hail would cancel itself over and over again when I'd try to use it after a bar swap and couldn't really figure out why. Seems that both endless hail and caltrops (and possibly others) are cancelling themselves if activated immediately after a weapon swap. Any abilities used before doesn't seem to make any difference, it happens every time if you swap too fast.

Endless hail in combat:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCJ9Vv0LVgo
Caltrops in and out of combat:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sa5CqKrJfw
https://youtu.be/I7GyonrLhLE

Happens with all addons disabled too. Anyone else having this issue?

That's a nasty bug, but the better question is why are you weapon swapping with endless hail/caltrops and letting poison injection scale to your bow bar?

Poison injection is an impact bar scaling dot, so you should swap after casting this ability so that it scales off your dw bar. Furthermore, begin with hail and either:

Posion injection recalculates every tick, it takes the current bar you have on stats into account. Also why cruel flurry is junk.

See here- https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4456953#Comment_4456953

Not quite, it has delayed damage (similar to trap beast, also an impact bar dot). The entire scaling of this dot is effected by what bar you are on when the first tick of damage you applied.

There is a huge reddit page/tamriel foundry discussion on these 2 particular skills. I used to have them bookmarked, it seems I don't anymore. Either way a quick google will bring up alot of great info.

You're wrong; PI was fixed so that it's damage correctly ramps up as HP drops (execute bonus). This change effectively made it behave like a ground placed dot. As the linked patch note says...

Right.. it's always beem an execute. Then they broke all the executes...

And today of you test on dummy weather or not it's a current/impact scaling dot, SUPRISE, it does more damage if it's calculated from dw bar. If you were right, it would be the same damage overall.

Ep1kMalware · February 2018

Destruent wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

ecru wrote: »

Encountered this last night in vmol when I kept noticing my endless hail would cancel itself over and over again when I'd try to use it after a bar swap and couldn't really figure out why. Seems that both endless hail and caltrops (and possibly others) are cancelling themselves if activated immediately after a weapon swap. Any abilities used before doesn't seem to make any difference, it happens every time if you swap too fast.

Endless hail in combat:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCJ9Vv0LVgo
Caltrops in and out of combat:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sa5CqKrJfw
https://youtu.be/I7GyonrLhLE

Happens with all addons disabled too. Anyone else having this issue?

That's a nasty bug, but the better question is why are you weapon swapping with endless hail/caltrops and letting poison injection scale to your bow bar?

Poison injection is an impact bar scaling dot, so you should swap after casting this ability so that it scales off your dw bar. Furthermore, begin with hail and either:

Posion injection recalculates every tick, it takes the current bar you have on stats into account. Also why cruel flurry is junk.

See here- https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4456953#Comment_4456953

Not quite, it has delayed damage (similar to trap beast, also an impact bar dot). The entire scaling of this dot is effected by what bar you are on when the first tick of damage you applied.

There is a huge reddit page/tamriel foundry discussion on these 2 particular skills. I used to have them bookmarked, it seems I don't anymore. Either way a quick google will bring up alot of great info.

Lol, not quite reading the link I posted did you?

What you are saying is literally the opposite of what the patch notes say. It used to be the way you state but they changed it, in the patch that I linked to.

No, you're misinformed. There was a period where all the execute were broken, you're reading the patch note where they fixed it. There are 2 types of dots in this game. Dots that scale off your current bar, usually these are going to be gtaoes, channels, set procs, weapon enchantments, etc.

The other type has a delayed trigger, or impact bar dot. These dots scale to the bar you're on when the first tick occurs. LOOK it up, git informed. I even have a youtube video demonstrating the difference. Either way you're beginning to talk out of your ass at this point.

poison injection recalculates with every single tick. It behaves like it consists of multiple dots with 1 tick each...

many dots do this.. you're misinterpreting the dev comments. >.<

Ep1kMalware · February 2018

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/5ivgh7/damage_when_swapping_bars/
Because googling needs a nerf apperantly.

https://tamrielfoundry.com/articles/maelstrom-bow-question/
Post #12

Because I had to actually spoonfeed this to you, I do expect a thank-you when you notice how much your dps goes up.

Doctordarkspawn · February 2018

Holy crap, can this game not even function anymore?

Vahrokh · February 2018

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Holy crap, can this game not even function anymore?

I have checked, the in game shop works!

vyndral13preub18_ESO · February 2018

This thread went to a strange place. From this bug is a pain to your dps sucks in no time.

Ep1kMalware · February 2018

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

This thread went to a strange place. From this bug is a pain to your dps sucks in no time.

I was purely suggesting an alteration to backbar rotation for OP, nobody is talking about sucking dps. But there is a noticable increase. Also, it has the advantage of not cancelling out his aoes. That's what'ya call a toofer!

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · February 2018

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/5ivgh7/damage_when_swapping_bars/
Because googling needs a nerf apperantly.

https://tamrielfoundry.com/articles/maelstrom-bow-question/
Post #12

Because I had to actually spoonfeed this to you, I do expect a thank-you when you notice how much your dps goes up.

Are you dense? Both those links are over a year old, they are both from 2016. The patch notes that I linked are from August 2017. Pay attention.

Ep1kMalware · February 2018

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/5ivgh7/damage_when_swapping_bars/
Because googling needs a nerf apperantly.

https://tamrielfoundry.com/articles/maelstrom-bow-question/
Post #12

Because I had to actually spoonfeed this to you, I do expect a thank-you when you notice how much your dps goes up.

Are you dense? Both those links are over a year old, they are both from 2016. The patch notes that I linked are from August 2017. Pay attention.

And valid today. You stupid ***.

Otherthan execute damage temporarily not working the skill has always behaved this way. Go hit a dummy and see for yourself, dummy.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · February 2018

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/5ivgh7/damage_when_swapping_bars/
Because googling needs a nerf apperantly.

https://tamrielfoundry.com/articles/maelstrom-bow-question/
Post #12

Because I had to actually spoonfeed this to you, I do expect a thank-you when you notice how much your dps goes up.

Are you dense? Both those links are over a year old, they are both from 2016. The patch notes that I linked are from August 2017. Pay attention.

And valid today. You stupid ***.

They are not. How about you go into the game and look.

Ep1kMalware · February 2018

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/5ivgh7/damage_when_swapping_bars/
Because googling needs a nerf apperantly.

https://tamrielfoundry.com/articles/maelstrom-bow-question/
Post #12

Because I had to actually spoonfeed this to you, I do expect a thank-you when you notice how much your dps goes up.

Are you dense? Both those links are over a year old, they are both from 2016. The patch notes that I linked are from August 2017. Pay attention.

And valid today. You stupid ***.

They are not. How about you go into the game and look.

Already looked, there is a definitely a difference with damage scaling. -_-

Kanar · February 2018

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Kanar wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

ecru wrote: »

Encountered this last night in vmol when I kept noticing my endless hail would cancel itself over and over again when I'd try to use it after a bar swap and couldn't really figure out why. Seems that both endless hail and caltrops (and possibly others) are cancelling themselves if activated immediately after a weapon swap. Any abilities used before doesn't seem to make any difference, it happens every time if you swap too fast.

Endless hail in combat:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCJ9Vv0LVgo
Caltrops in and out of combat:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sa5CqKrJfw
https://youtu.be/I7GyonrLhLE

Happens with all addons disabled too. Anyone else having this issue?

That's a nasty bug, but the better question is why are you weapon swapping with endless hail/caltrops and letting poison injection scale to your bow bar?

Poison injection is an impact bar scaling dot, so you should swap after casting this ability so that it scales off your dw bar. Furthermore, begin with hail and either:

Posion injection recalculates every tick, it takes the current bar you have on stats into account. Also why cruel flurry is junk.

See here- https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4456953#Comment_4456953

Not quite, it has delayed damage (similar to trap beast, also an impact bar dot). The entire scaling of this dot is effected by what bar you are on when the first tick of damage you applied.

There is a huge reddit page/tamriel foundry discussion on these 2 particular skills. I used to have them bookmarked, it seems I don't anymore. Either way a quick google will bring up alot of great info.

You're wrong; PI was fixed so that it's damage correctly ramps up as HP drops (execute bonus). This change effectively made it behave like a ground placed dot. As the linked patch note says...

Right.. it's always beem an execute. Then they broke all the executes...

And today of you test on dummy weather or not it's a current/impact scaling dot, SUPRISE, it does more damage if it's calculated from dw bar. If you were right, it would be the same damage overall.

No *** it does more damage calculated from the dw bar. The point is it calculates from your current weapon damage every tick so when you're on dw bar it does dw damage and when you're on bow bar it does bow damage.

Only point here is that you are wrong (or just are incapable of understanding what we're saying) and then try to change the discussion into "dw ticks do more than bow ticks" which of course everyone knows.

VexingArcanist · February 2018

On a less critical note I have the same issue with sending pet to attack target then bar swapping. Pet returns.

ecru · February 2018

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

ecru wrote: »

Encountered this last night in vmol when I kept noticing my endless hail would cancel itself over and over again when I'd try to use it after a bar swap and couldn't really figure out why. Seems that both endless hail and caltrops (and possibly others) are cancelling themselves if activated immediately after a weapon swap. Any abilities used before doesn't seem to make any difference, it happens every time if you swap too fast.

Endless hail in combat:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCJ9Vv0LVgo
Caltrops in and out of combat:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sa5CqKrJfw
https://youtu.be/I7GyonrLhLE

Happens with all addons disabled too. Anyone else having this issue?

That's a nasty bug, but the better question is why are you weapon swapping with endless hail/caltrops and letting poison injection scale to your bow bar?

Poison injection is an impact bar scaling dot, so you should swap after casting this ability so that it scales off your dw bar. Furthermore, begin with hail and either:

Immediately use caltops (they fire off very smoothly)

Or

Double tap light attack then caltrops to proc 5% damage increase for bow abilities. This should increase your dps a bit and help you out with that bug.

lol I have absolutely no idea how you thought you determined my rotation through a short clip of me using a few abilities, but I do swap after poison injection on my bow bar.

LordSemaj · February 2018

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

ecru wrote: »

Encountered this last night in vmol when I kept noticing my endless hail would cancel itself over and over again when I'd try to use it after a bar swap and couldn't really figure out why. Seems that both endless hail and caltrops (and possibly others) are cancelling themselves if activated immediately after a weapon swap. Any abilities used before doesn't seem to make any difference, it happens every time if you swap too fast.

Endless hail in combat:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCJ9Vv0LVgo
Caltrops in and out of combat:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sa5CqKrJfw
https://youtu.be/I7GyonrLhLE

Happens with all addons disabled too. Anyone else having this issue?

That's a nasty bug, but the better question is why are you weapon swapping with endless hail/caltrops and letting poison injection scale to your bow bar?

Poison injection is an impact bar scaling dot, so you should swap after casting this ability so that it scales off your dw bar. Furthermore, begin with hail and either:

Posion injection recalculates every tick, it takes the current bar you have on stats into account. Also why cruel flurry is junk.

See here- https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4456953#Comment_4456953

^ This person is correct. Per the patch notes, Poison Injection not only recalculates, but will do more damage if your stats change. Your stats definitely change when on the DW bar so whether you cast it from the bow bar and it impacts there or impacts on the other bar, it will recalculate on the next tick to do the damage of the bar you're currently on.

The old reddit linked post says exactly the same thing. Here's a quote from it:

when I cast elemental blockade on my staff bar it does 1886 damage to a hoarver, but then when I switch to my dual wield it suddenly starts doing 2216 damage.

This player is experiencing the same thing. He cast the bar on his staff bar (because that's where it casts from) and then swapping to dual wield RAISES the tick damage for the duration.

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

The entire scaling of this dot is effected by what bar you are on when the first tick of damage you applied.

Which makes this incorrect.

In typical reddit fashion, the first comment is immediately wrong having not read the patch notes.

Reddit: Single target DoTs use penetration, max stamina and weapon damage from the impact bar for damage calculation and crit chance and crit modifier from the bar you're currently on.

Which goes completely against the patch notes change.

Patch Notes: but also means the tick value can increase or decrease if your stats change while it’s active.

In short, Lightspeed is correct.