SO, now I have to pay to use the colors that I have earned through achievements?? That's not fair!

x4livin · February 2018

So, a week ago, I could collect materials, earn a motif(grinding until I got it), go craft my armor and color it with the color that I had earned through many deaths to get an achievement...........................................but now I have to pay to use something that I earned from scratch? Why was this even an idea at all? I can see paying to use colors I had not already earn. If a person does not have a skill, they go to someone who does and pays them.....I pay to have my phone fixed, I most definitely do not pay to be allowed to change my own batteries in my own mouse, though. This is starting to feel like having henchmen come around and make you pay just to do business as usual. What's next? Paying to keep what drops from mobs?

AzraelKrieg · February 2018

If you are dying from the outfit screen then yes, you have to pay gold to dye your outfit. You can still dye gear normally if it is under the "No outfit" tab. We do not need more topics on this because it's getting tedious to explain to people every single time what the change is when they can easily search for one of the many topics that already exist.

klowdy1 · February 2018

Only for outfits. You can still freely dye all your gear, or costumes for ESO+, nothing has changed. The new system makes you pay for them, but since it is new, it was never free.

ANGEL_BtVS · February 2018

x4livin · February 2018

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

If you are dying from the outfit screen then yes, you have to pay gold to dye your outfit. You can still dye gear normally if it is under the "No outfit" tab. We do not need more topics on this because it's getting tedious to explain to people every single time what the change is when they can easily search for one of the many topics that already exist.

I tried. It was letting me dye the formal gown that I bought in the crown store...for free, but when I tried to simply dye my TBS that I was wearing, with a color that I had already saved as a dye set(months ago).....it game me the total that it would cost for this.

Sevalaricgirl · February 2018

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

If you are dying from the outfit screen then yes, you have to pay gold to dye your outfit. You can still dye gear normally if it is under the "No outfit" tab. We do not need more topics on this because it's getting tedious to explain to people every single time what the change is when they can easily search for one of the many topics that already exist.

Do you need to cop an attitude to someone who's asking a question? Just answer it or move on.

VaranisArano · February 2018

How to dye your equipped gear for free with the Outfit System

You can still dye your equipped gear for free at the Outfit Station. Make sure you have No Outfit selected. On the No outfit selection, you are altering your equipped gear. You should see that you cannot dye weapons and there is no gold counter. From this screen you can dye your equipped gear that is crafted/dropped without paying anything, just like you could prior to the update.

Now, to swap to your outfit, choose "Outfit 1" or whatever you named it.
If its your first time, this will look identical to your equipped gear. However, there will be a gold counter at the bottom of the menu and you can change and dye your weapons. Don't get confused! If you meant to dye your equipped gear, choose "No Outfit" instead.

I go into more detail about how to use the Outfit system here if you have further questions: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/395390/outfitting-dyeing-101

CountEdmondDantes · February 2018

^^^ This. Make certain you're on "No Outfit" when you're at the Outfit Station. It may seem counter-intuitive, but once you get the hang of it, the system does work.

x4livin · February 2018

VaranisArano wrote: »

How to dye your equipped gear for free with the Outfit System

You can still dye your equipped gear for free at the Outfit Station. Make sure you have No Outfit selected. On the No outfit selection, you are altering your equipped gear. You should see that you cannot dye weapons and there is no gold counter. From this screen you can dye your equipped gear that is crafted/dropped without paying anything, just like you could prior to the update.

Now, to swap to your outfit, choose "Outfit 1" or whatever you named it.
If its your first time, this will look identical to your equipped gear. However, there will be a gold counter at the bottom of the menu and you can change and dye your weapons. Don't get confused! If you meant to dye your equipped gear, choose "No Outfit" instead.

I go into more detail about how to use the Outfit system here if you have further questions: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/395390/outfitting-dyeing-101

I will try this when I get home from work this evening. Thank you!

MeltyLotus · February 2018

VaranisArano wrote: »

How to dye your equipped gear for free with the Outfit System

You can still dye your equipped gear for free at the Outfit Station. Make sure you have No Outfit selected. On the No outfit selection, you are altering your equipped gear. You should see that you cannot dye weapons and there is no gold counter. From this screen you can dye your equipped gear that is crafted/dropped without paying anything, just like you could prior to the update.

Now, to swap to your outfit, choose "Outfit 1" or whatever you named it.
If its your first time, this will look identical to your equipped gear. However, there will be a gold counter at the bottom of the menu and you can change and dye your weapons. Don't get confused! If you meant to dye your equipped gear, choose "No Outfit" instead.

I go into more detail about how to use the Outfit system here if you have further questions: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/395390/outfitting-dyeing-101

So this is why I charged a few hundred gold for dying my gear. I just though they added another gold sink. Didn't realize. Thanks for the info

Asardes · February 2018

Only if you paint your outfit; painting armor is still free. My armors look great so I don't use the outfit. Well, maybe that Briarheart looks kinda wild on my Stam NB but I won't bother "outfitting|" him

CountEdmondDantes · February 2018

Asardes wrote: »

Only if you paint your outfit; painting armor is still free. My armors look great so I don't use the outfit. Well, maybe that Briarheart looks kinda wild on my Stam NB but I won't bother "outfitting|" him

This has been my approach. People need to keep in mind that most of the mid- to late-game motifs only have one "level." Take Celestial, which was one of the first premium motifs offered. There's just one "look" for ever level. Therefore, I only see two primary reasons to use the outfit system:

Reason 1: To cover a dropped set piece that doesn't match my character's other armor, or

Reason 2: To use a variation of one of the original racial armors (Nord, Imperial ... whatever).

That's really it. When you combine those two reasons with an extraordinary cost of making more than one outfit, the crafted armor seems to be a better deal. You can make it and dye it for free.

I've only made a couple of outfits for my characters and both are low level racial armors that I think look better than some of the higher level armors (Nord and Imperial respectively).

I'll acknowledge there's some other benefits, but they're really minor to me. If you make an outfit, you don't have to carry the armor for your outfit with you ... so you get what you wear and one outfit. You can toggle them on and off. If you want more than that you're paying cash, which for me, makes carrying a second set of clothing/armor in my inventory more attractive.

It's a couple of clicks v. several to change your outfit. Again, meh.

One of my primary reasons for not purchasing outfit slots is I cannot find a valid reason for doing so. I mean, as it is, the Outfit system just doesn't offer me that much that I need.

Edit: To be clear, when I say you can make armor for free, I mean you have to have the materials but there is not gold cost for making it. This might be one more reason people make outfits - they can use a base set for the 100s of mats it cost, then cover it for the cost of gold rather than mats.

Asardes · February 2018

When they announced the transmogrify system I thought it will allow you to actually change the style of that armor piece or weapon, for example to change Jerkin of Necropotence from Argonian to Xyvkin and I was a bit disappointed that they only gave us a costume like overlay. It would have not been that hard to implement, since there are already plenty of sets in game that drop in multiple styles (ex. the PvP sets). I didn't even bother to check the system, and I've heard that wearing costumes also decreases FPS and leads to bar swap bugging out if you put a skin on your weapon, so I'm in no hurry to do so.

My main characters wear armors crafted in motifs such as Ebony, Akaviri, Glass, Xyvkin, Yokudan, Buoyant Armiger and they are dyed with some of the rarer, shinier colors already; the dropped sets are actually well hidden, being mostly small pieces like belt or gloves, and they are painted in the same colors as the rest of the armor which makes them hard to notice. For example I crafted Torug's Pact set in Ebony style to match my Ebon set (DK, tanking setup), my Infallible Mage sash is dyed the same as my Julianos in Glass (Sorcerer) or Xyvkin (Templar), and the Vicious Serpent boots and bracers which are Yokudan blend in quite when when dyed with shades of green that match the Hunding's Rage set it's paired with, which is crafted in Buoyant Armiger style (Warden). I generally match the color of my armor with that of the spells on the respective character. For example green looks great on Warden since most spells are green, and blue, including Abyssal Beryl, matches with my Sorcerer's spells.

For low level alts or non-main characters that just do craft writs or carry gear I simply use various other armor sets - which I dye - or the standard costumes earned trough quest completion like the ones from Orsinium or Thieves Guild; I've also found a few in various free crates so I have plenty to choose from if I wanted. And TBH most of those costumes already look nice in their original colors, so I didn't bother dyeing them, although I'm a subscriber for almost 6 months.

ANGEL_BtVS · February 2018

Sevalaricgirl wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

If you are dying from the outfit screen then yes, you have to pay gold to dye your outfit. You can still dye gear normally if it is under the "No outfit" tab. We do not need more topics on this because it's getting tedious to explain to people every single time what the change is when they can easily search for one of the many topics that already exist.

Do you need to cop an attitude to someone who's asking a question? Just answer it or move on.

Except they didn't just ask a question. They went into full drama queen accusatory mode. One should expect these types of responses when they rant and rave and it turns out they are wrong. ZOS catches enough flak for stuff they deserve.

Iccotak · February 2018

There is a difference between your actual gear and "Outfit"

jaye63 · February 2018

Sevalaricgirl wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

If you are dying from the outfit screen then yes, you have to pay gold to dye your outfit. You can still dye gear normally if it is under the "No outfit" tab. We do not need more topics on this because it's getting tedious to explain to people every single time what the change is when they can easily search for one of the many topics that already exist.

Do you need to cop an attitude to someone who's asking a question? Just answer it or move on.

After answering the SAME question in 47 different thread that the person asking the question was too self absorbed to read and started a new one... ABSOLUTELY!

VaranisArano · February 2018

Iccotak wrote: »

There is a difference between your actual gear and "Outfit"

Yes, but the difference relies on people seeing the difference between the "No Outfit" and the "Outfit 1" screen. That's harder than you'd think because if its the first time you've opened up the Outfitting Station, they look practically identical.

The "No Outfit" is your equipped gear, doesn't let you dye weapons and doesn't have a gold counter.

The "Outfit 1", the first time you open it, show you your equipped gear, does let you dye weapons, and does have the gold counter.

So if you aren't paying attention to what you have selected, it's super easy to start dyeing in the Outfit 1 menu what looks identical to your equipped gear (but is actually an outfit) and then think, "Wait, I'm being charged to dye my own gear?!?!?!" You aren't, because you are actually dyeing your outfit, but it looks exactly the same as your equipped gear.

ZOS really could have forestalled most of the confusion by just having the Outfit 1 menu show blank slots instead of your equipped gear when you first enter the Outfit 1 option.

Tasear · February 2018

jaye63 wrote: »

Sevalaricgirl wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

If you are dying from the outfit screen then yes, you have to pay gold to dye your outfit. You can still dye gear normally if it is under the "No outfit" tab. We do not need more topics on this because it's getting tedious to explain to people every single time what the change is when they can easily search for one of the many topics that already exist.

Do you need to cop an attitude to someone who's asking a question? Just answer it or move on.

After answering the SAME question in 47 different thread that the person asking the question was too self absorbed to read and started a new one... ABSOLUTELY!

We clearly people are upset because there a design issue with user interface ... but could been worst ... just imagine if was defaulted to outfit 1 instead of no outfit.

jaye63 · February 2018

Tasear wrote: »

jaye63 wrote: »

Sevalaricgirl wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

If you are dying from the outfit screen then yes, you have to pay gold to dye your outfit. You can still dye gear normally if it is under the "No outfit" tab. We do not need more topics on this because it's getting tedious to explain to people every single time what the change is when they can easily search for one of the many topics that already exist.

Do you need to cop an attitude to someone who's asking a question? Just answer it or move on.

After answering the SAME question in 47 different thread that the person asking the question was too self absorbed to read and started a new one... ABSOLUTELY!

We clearly people are upset because there a design issue with user interface ... but could been worst ... just imagine if was defaulted to outfit 1 instead of no outfit.

And if frogs had wings they wouldnt bump thier butts when they jump. We can if all day, buit when there are 900 threads that cover 6 topics, it get pretty annoying that people arent reading any of them where they could get the answers that would keep them from being upset. The only... the ONLY issue with the outfit station is that you can no longet color the free imperial and morag morphs for free like you used to. You can still apply them for free but you can no longer color them for free. The rest of the stress has been answered in multiple threads multiple times and it's getting loathsomely tiring. Can people PLEASE be bothered to actually READ a thread instead of just posting a new one?

Twenty0zTsunami · February 2018

Sevalaricgirl wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

If you are dying from the outfit screen then yes, you have to pay gold to dye your outfit. You can still dye gear normally if it is under the "No outfit" tab. We do not need more topics on this because it's getting tedious to explain to people every single time what the change is when they can easily search for one of the many topics that already exist.

Do you need to cop an attitude to someone who's asking a question? Just answer it or move on.

lol this is what you call copping an attittude? He literally explained to him that the only reason he'd be charged for the dye job, would be because it's being applied to an outfit.

You must have the world's thinnest skin, if you think that replying to someone with facts which effectively dissolve their complaint.. is rude

lol

Tasear · February 2018

jaye63 wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

jaye63 wrote: »

Sevalaricgirl wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

If you are dying from the outfit screen then yes, you have to pay gold to dye your outfit. You can still dye gear normally if it is under the "No outfit" tab. We do not need more topics on this because it's getting tedious to explain to people every single time what the change is when they can easily search for one of the many topics that already exist.

Do you need to cop an attitude to someone who's asking a question? Just answer it or move on.

After answering the SAME question in 47 different thread that the person asking the question was too self absorbed to read and started a new one... ABSOLUTELY!

We clearly people are upset because there a design issue with user interface ... but could been worst ... just imagine if was defaulted to outfit 1 instead of no outfit.

And if frogs had wings they wouldnt bump thier butts when they jump. We can if all day, buit when there are 900 threads that cover 6 topics, it get pretty annoying that people arent reading any of them where they could get the answers that would keep them from being upset. The only... the ONLY issue with the outfit station is that you can no longet color the free imperial and morag morphs for free like you used to. You can still apply them for free but you can no longer color them for free. The rest of the stress has been answered in multiple threads multiple times and it's getting loathsomely tiring. Can people PLEASE be bothered to actually READ a thread instead of just posting a new one?

What a vicious character.

Gorgoneus · February 2018

Its all simple: just another gold scuming scheme to sink as mutch gold from players as possible to force them use crowns. Of course its all right, you still can dye your regular gear for free, but its all "de jure" just like b2p model (its f2p with basic purchase), because all DLC is a new stuff released after game model change, same for outfit system, they not introdused any gold costs for armor dyeing - only for outfit, but lets be honest, who gonna ignore this new feature and will play withiut it? just like DLC system - bonus content you no need for game, but of course you'll buy it.

Juju_beans · February 2018

Gorgoneus wrote: »

Its all simple: just another gold scuming scheme to sink as mutch gold from players as possible to force them use crowns. Of course its all right, you still can dye your regular gear for free, but its all "de jure" just like b2p model (its f2p with basic purchase), because all DLC is a new stuff released after game model change, same for outfit system, they not introdused any gold costs for armor dyeing - only for outfit, but lets be honest, who gonna ignore this new feature and will play withiut it? just like DLC system - bonus content you no need for game, but of course you'll buy it.

No one is being forced to use outfits and pay to dye them..no one.

You can dye your gear and costumes for free.
But the new outfit system, should you choose to use it, costs gold.

Palidon · February 2018

Juju_beans wrote: »

Gorgoneus wrote: »

Its all simple: just another gold scuming scheme to sink as mutch gold from players as possible to force them use crowns. Of course its all right, you still can dye your regular gear for free, but its all "de jure" just like b2p model (its f2p with basic purchase), because all DLC is a new stuff released after game model change, same for outfit system, they not introdused any gold costs for armor dyeing - only for outfit, but lets be honest, who gonna ignore this new feature and will play withiut it? just like DLC system - bonus content you no need for game, but of course you'll buy it.

No one is being forced to use outfits and pay to dye them..no one.

You can dye your gear and costumes for free.
But the new outfit system, should you choose to use it, costs gold.

You can not dye dropped or crafted weapons for free using the no Outfit selection.......................................And I fail to see why not..........................Except total money grab by zos.

Also I have been told that an outfit made only applies to the character who made it. They are not account wide nor are the outfit slots purchaced via the crown store. Which to me is a bunch of bull.

Linaleah · February 2018

Tasear wrote: »

jaye63 wrote: »

Sevalaricgirl wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

If you are dying from the outfit screen then yes, you have to pay gold to dye your outfit. You can still dye gear normally if it is under the "No outfit" tab. We do not need more topics on this because it's getting tedious to explain to people every single time what the change is when they can easily search for one of the many topics that already exist.

Do you need to cop an attitude to someone who's asking a question? Just answer it or move on.

After answering the SAME question in 47 different thread that the person asking the question was too self absorbed to read and started a new one... ABSOLUTELY!

We clearly people are upset because there a design issue with user interface ... but could been worst ... just imagine if was defaulted to outfit 1 instead of no outfit.

it does actualy default to outfit 1 rather then no outfit. which is why there is so much confusion happening.

SirCritical · February 2018

Lol, I thought this topic is about the absurdity of paying for outfit pieces. Because that's ridiculous. I never thought it's about dying your original equipment since it was known it is for free.

altemriel · February 2018

x4livin wrote: »

So, a week ago, I could collect materials, earn a motif(grinding until I got it), go craft my armor and color it with the color that I had earned through many deaths to get an achievement...........................................but now I have to pay to use something that I earned from scratch? Why was this even an idea at all? I can see paying to use colors I had not already earn. If a person does not have a skill, they go to someone who does and pays them.....I pay to have my phone fixed, I most definitely do not pay to be allowed to change my own batteries in my own mouse, though. This is starting to feel like having henchmen come around and make you pay just to do business as usual. What's next? Paying to keep what drops from mobs?

you only pay if you dye an outfit, if you dye regular gear, you do not pay

Gargath · February 2018

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

We do not need more topics on this because it's getting tedious to explain to people every single time what the change is when they can easily search for one of the many topics that already exist.

Why do you speak for the whole community? Are you a new forum moderator?

VaranisArano · February 2018

Palidon wrote: »

Juju_beans wrote: »

Gorgoneus wrote: »

Its all simple: just another gold scuming scheme to sink as mutch gold from players as possible to force them use crowns. Of course its all right, you still can dye your regular gear for free, but its all "de jure" just like b2p model (its f2p with basic purchase), because all DLC is a new stuff released after game model change, same for outfit system, they not introdused any gold costs for armor dyeing - only for outfit, but lets be honest, who gonna ignore this new feature and will play withiut it? just like DLC system - bonus content you no need for game, but of course you'll buy it.

No one is being forced to use outfits and pay to dye them..no one.

You can dye your gear and costumes for free.
But the new outfit system, should you choose to use it, costs gold.

You can not dye dropped or crafted weapons for free using the no Outfit selection.......................................And I fail to see why not..........................Except total money grab by zos.

Also I have been told that an outfit made only applies to the character who made it. They are not account wide nor are the outfit slots purchaced via the crown store. Which to me is a bunch of bull.

Outfits are per character. That way I can dress my EP Vestige tank completely differently from how I dress my DC Dark Brotherhood Silencer. However, if I wanted to, I could recreate their outfit for the other and have them where the exact same thing. Its a customization feature that I actually like. I get to make 1 outfit for each character instead of 1 outfit per account.

However, its correct that the bought outfit slots are per character. You can only use them on the character you buy them on. Which is pretty much a not-unanticipated money grab from ZOS. (When an outfit slot costs the same as a new character, yes, I'm calling it a money grab.)