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Charging us to dye items change to Imperial & Morag Tong!?!
Coatmagic
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We ALREADY payed for this buying the bloody collectors editions!!!
WTH is wrong with you ZoS??
FIX THIS
WTH is wrong with you ZoS??
FIX THIS
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TheRealPotoroo✭✭✭✭✭
✭We ALREADY payed for this buying the bloody collectors editions!!!
WTH is wrong with you ZoS??
FIX THIS
It's not broken. Did you bother trying it out first? Imperial and Morag Tong cost 0 gold.PC NA, PC EU
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Coatmagic✭✭✭✭✭
✭Cost me 200g to dye rerolled (thanks for that too btw ZoS) level 3 chars boots and gloves that I changed (for free) to Imperial and Morag Tong style... those of who paid for collectors editions should not now be getting charged to alter items we were previously able to alter for free.2 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭You aren't charged anything to use the Morag Tong and Imperial motifs for your armor and weapons in outfit system.
You will be charged gold to dye them, just like every other piece of armor/weapons in the outfit system.
Everyone can still freely dye their crafted/transmuted Morag Tong and Imperial gear (except for weapons which is still not allowed through the regular dyeing system).
Everyone gets charged for dyeing anything through the Outfit system.
So you actually haven't lost any functionality and you aren't getting charged for anything you could do before the DLC. You can still alter for free any items in Morag Tong that you crafted or changed the appearance of. The benefit of owning the Collectors Edition is specifically that you don't get charged for using the motifs to make armor and weapons.
You will still get charged for dyeing those pieces in your outfit because A. that was never promised to you, and B. you get charged for dyeing everything in the outfit system.
Edited to Add: Upon further experimentation, you can no longer convert certain limited armor and weapons to Imperial and Morag Tong, so while that won't impact your already existing pieces, you can't make new converted armor to dye in the "No Outfit" menu with the converters.Edited by VaranisArano on February 13, 2018 3:47PM4 -
pjt15253✭✭✭Actually I see the OP's issue:
Prior to this release, you could transmute a piece of gear to Imperial/Morag Tong and dye it, completely free.
Now, with the outfit system, yes you can still make an Imperial/Morag Tong outfit, but it costs gold to dye it. It is a small loss of functionality, but a loss none the less. I agree, this should be fixed.6 -
Skelfish✭✭✭There seems to be a big misconception regarding gold costs for outfits and dyeing.
It does NOT cost gold to transmute to Imperial or Morag Tong.
It does NOT cost gold to dye your armor AS LONG AS you have "No Outfit" selected.
It does NOT cost gold to dye unlocked costumes if you have ESO+.
If you have "Outfit 1" selected while you are at the outfit station then you WILL be charged gold to dye your armor because you are creating and changing an outfit instead of your normal equipped items.5 -
RobbieRocket✭✭✭I said before - to myself and some guildies, as I read the changes a few weeks ago - that this "outfit" system was done poorly and is a mess. This thread is a byproduct of that mess.
I can see how, in principle, nothing is lost for a player but its a pretty confusing and "easy to spend gold" way of going about allowing players to continue changing their appearance.
I think it may have been easier with a new station (dresser) OR simply a toggle to a new branch for outfits (although now I'm endorsing the system).
Strange, Clumsy, Unnecessary & Moneygrabbing (S.C.U.M.)2 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Actually I see the OP's issue:
Prior to this release, you could transmute a piece of gear to Imperial/Morag Tong and dye it, completely free.
Now, with the outfit system, yes you can still make an Imperial/Morag Tong outfit, but it costs gold to dye it. It is a small loss of functionality, but a loss none the less. I agree, this should be fixed.
It is not a loss of functionality.
You can still make your equipped gear Imperial and Morag Tong gear and dye it freely, just like you always could.
What you couldn't do before the update was create an outfit. Because that didn't exist.
So no, you didn't lose any functionality when they charge you for dyeing a piece of your new outfit that happens to be Imperial or Morag Tong. You didn't have that functionality because outfits didn't exist.
I discussed this in more detail here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/395390/outfitting-dyeing-101
Edited to add: So, upon further experimenting in game, I'm wrong. You can't convert armor to Imperial/Morag Tong anymore. The post lined here has been updated accordingly.Edited by VaranisArano on February 13, 2018 3:41PM0 -
pjt15253✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Actually I see the OP's issue:
Prior to this release, you could transmute a piece of gear to Imperial/Morag Tong and dye it, completely free.
Now, with the outfit system, yes you can still make an Imperial/Morag Tong outfit, but it costs gold to dye it. It is a small loss of functionality, but a loss none the less. I agree, this should be fixed.
It is not a loss of functionality.
You can still make your equipped gear Imperial and Morag Tong gear and dye it freely, just like you always could.
What you couldn't do before the update was create an outfit. Because that didn't exist.
So no, you didn't lose any functionality when they charge you for dyeing a piece of your new outfit that happens to be Imperial or Morag Tong. You didn't have that functionality because outfits didn't exist.
It is. Before, you could take a piece of gear, *convert it to Imperial/Morag Tong*, then dye it for free. Now, you must either find the motif to craft the gear in that style originally, and still dye it for free, or you have to use the outfit system, where dying always costs gold. You can no longer convert existing pieces and dye for free like you could before.
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I realize the styles in the outfit system are free - it's the dye cost from within the outfit system on those styles that is the issue.Edited by pjt15253 on February 13, 2018 3:06PM1 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Actually I see the OP's issue:
Prior to this release, you could transmute a piece of gear to Imperial/Morag Tong and dye it, completely free.
Now, with the outfit system, yes you can still make an Imperial/Morag Tong outfit, but it costs gold to dye it. It is a small loss of functionality, but a loss none the less. I agree, this should be fixed.
It is not a loss of functionality.
You can still make your equipped gear Imperial and Morag Tong gear and dye it freely, just like you always could.
What you couldn't do before the update was create an outfit. Because that didn't exist.
So no, you didn't lose any functionality when they charge you for dyeing a piece of your new outfit that happens to be Imperial or Morag Tong. You didn't have that functionality because outfits didn't exist.
It is. Before, you could take a piece of gear, *convert it to Imperial/Morag Tong*, then dye it for free. Now, you must either find the motif to craft the gear in that style originally, and still dye it for free, or you have to use the outfit system, where dying always costs gold. You can no longer convert existing pieces and dye for free like you could before.
Edit:
I realize the styles in the outfit system are free - it's the dye cost from within the outfit system on those styles that is the issue.
Okay, I see that now. I hadn't tried to convert armor, so I hadn't seen that its been moved to the outfit system.0 -
Parrotbrain✭✭✭Yeah this is ridiculous ... they should change it back to what it was or make it so we can dye morag tong and imperial for free if you bought the collector's editions.1 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭You still can do that - by changing your armor to that style in "no outfit" mode - then your armor will be converted to this style and you can dye it as you want for free like before - just when you are creating an outfit you will be charged - but not, if you just use your regular armor conversion and dyeing.
Edit: basically all works like before in "no outfit" mode - just to hide the helmet you have now a "hat" for this in your collections - but it works basically the same as before. No one is actually forced to use the outfit system, it is optional.Edited by Lysette on February 13, 2018 3:48PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Actually I see the OP's issue:
Prior to this release, you could transmute a piece of gear to Imperial/Morag Tong and dye it, completely free.
Now, with the outfit system, yes you can still make an Imperial/Morag Tong outfit, but it costs gold to dye it. It is a small loss of functionality, but a loss none the less. I agree, this should be fixed.
It is not a loss of functionality.
You can still make your equipped gear Imperial and Morag Tong gear and dye it freely, just like you always could.
What you couldn't do before the update was create an outfit. Because that didn't exist.
So no, you didn't lose any functionality when they charge you for dyeing a piece of your new outfit that happens to be Imperial or Morag Tong. You didn't have that functionality because outfits didn't exist.
It is. Before, you could take a piece of gear, *convert it to Imperial/Morag Tong*, then dye it for free. Now, you must either find the motif to craft the gear in that style originally, and still dye it for free, or you have to use the outfit system, where dying always costs gold. You can no longer convert existing pieces and dye for free like you could before.
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I realize the styles in the outfit system are free - it's the dye cost from within the outfit system on those styles that is the issue.
Okay, I see that now. I hadn't tried to convert armor, so I hadn't seen that its been moved to the outfit system.
Yeah, I'll admit, I didn't notice this had been removed either. Largely because it was already impossible to change the motif of most set items, so, as a result, something like 90% of my inventory couldn't be converted anyway.0 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Actually I see the OP's issue:
Prior to this release, you could transmute a piece of gear to Imperial/Morag Tong and dye it, completely free.
Now, with the outfit system, yes you can still make an Imperial/Morag Tong outfit, but it costs gold to dye it. It is a small loss of functionality, but a loss none the less. I agree, this should be fixed.
It is not a loss of functionality.
You can still make your equipped gear Imperial and Morag Tong gear and dye it freely, just like you always could.
What you couldn't do before the update was create an outfit. Because that didn't exist.
So no, you didn't lose any functionality when they charge you for dyeing a piece of your new outfit that happens to be Imperial or Morag Tong. You didn't have that functionality because outfits didn't exist.
It is. Before, you could take a piece of gear, *convert it to Imperial/Morag Tong*, then dye it for free. Now, you must either find the motif to craft the gear in that style originally, and still dye it for free, or you have to use the outfit system, where dying always costs gold. You can no longer convert existing pieces and dye for free like you could before.
Edit:
I realize the styles in the outfit system are free - it's the dye cost from within the outfit system on those styles that is the issue.
Okay, I see that now. I hadn't tried to convert armor, so I hadn't seen that its been moved to the outfit system.
Yeah, I'll admit, I didn't notice this had been removed either. Largely because it was already impossible to change the motif of most set items, so, as a result, something like 90% of my inventory couldn't be converted anyway.
Same. The current system is much more effective at actually letting you look like you are wearing Imperial or Morag Tong than the old system ever was, its just there's that pesky dye cost.0 -
Coatmagic✭✭✭✭✭
✭There seems to be a big misconception regarding gold costs for outfits and dyeing.
It does NOT cost gold to transmute to Imperial or Morag Tong.
It does NOT cost gold to dye your armor AS LONG AS you have "No Outfit" selected.
It does NOT cost gold to dye unlocked costumes if you have ESO+.
If you have "Outfit 1" selected while you are at the outfit station then you WILL be charged gold to dye your armor because you are creating and changing an outfit instead of your normal equipped items.
You cannot change your armor to Imperial or Morag Tong unless you have outfit selected.
So, yes, you DO have to pay to dye these free conversion items, and this is BS.
It's bad enough that we can no longer change them on the fly, now they are going to charge us to change the colour. This is right up there with those giant houses people purchased for crowns that got chopped to bits.
It needs to be fixed. I didn't pay for a collectors edition for them to change what I bought after purchase.0