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ZOS, please detox this game a little bit. Show other people's CP up to a maximum of 160!
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JJBoomer✭✭✭✭✭
3) If low CP players are so deathly afraid of getting kicked by "elitists", they can join one of the hundred of PvE guilds who'd be happy to run with them.
If "elitists" are so worried about not carrying anyone, they can join one of the hundred of PvE guilds who'd be happy to run with them.
If elitists are so worried about not carrying anyone, then they should not be using the Group Finder
there, easy.
also to address this idea "(Content requires people to perform at a certain standard in order to clear.)" While that may be totally true, how are players supposed to reach those standards if they are always being kicked and therefor never able to learn the mechanics in the first place?
Do we really need a news flash that not every low CP, low DPS, low whatever player is out to troll groups? Like does that really need saying? See this is what happens, a certain number of players become "good" (highly subjective btw) and then believe the game should only be for them.
Yeah I've been carried before. I hated it. I wanted to contribute. But you know what else happened? I learned the mechanics while I was being carried. Then went into those dungeons again with the same group, and was able to contribute even though my CP never changed between the carry runs and the ones that followed. I am CP 334 now, and I was running Vet Elden Hollow 1 for the fun of it, all of the other groupers were higher CP than me. We had a CP 600+ Tank that couldn't keep agro. We had a CP 500+ DPS who didn't know you have to stay in one area so the healer can actually heal the WHOLE group.
I'm a friggan mage. I shouldn't be pulling agro or having to help heal. But there I was. CP is in no way a reliable statistic to use for deciding a kick. Also people have off days, using the first boss as a decider, is kind of crap too and also has a lot of pitfalls.
this is why kicking players after the first boss will do nothing but perpetuate this issue as someone else said "ad infinitum". Seriously it's like in every MMO, there becomes a veteran population that has to ruin everything because not every player is playing their way. ESO, STO, Marvel Heroes, you name it, it happens. Basically what it seems like is, without actually being said, is that veterans plain don't want to play with anyone under their personal standard. That's the issue here. And that's a personal issue, not a game issue.
Also just as an fyi, it reaches a point where the "veterans" become so nasty about this crap that frankly, lower level, lower stat, casual players stop giving a crap about what you have to say.
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✭I disagree , no fun standing in vFH 3 hours because the low cps doenst WANT to understand the mechanics thats been explained countless times, and before u know it its beddytime, gotta go to work tomorrow...
The game is not only about learning new players, its also about having fun yourself while playing.3 -
Meld777✭✭✭✭✭Karmanorway wrote: »I disagree , no fun standing in vFH 3 hours because the low cps doenst WANT to understand the mechanics thats been explained countless times, and before u know it its beddytime, gotta go to work tomorrow...
The game is not only about learning new players, its also about having fun yourself while playing.
@Karmanorway please explain how your comment addresses anything in my post.
You are not supposed to carry low CPs. You are not supposed to carry high CPs either. You are supposed to give low CP players a chance before you kick them because many low CPs are much better than high CPs. Why? There are reasons I explained in my previous post. This is all I'm saying.Edited by Meld777 on February 10, 2018 1:54PMMaelstrom Arena Champion | Undaunted | Fighters Guild Victor
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madchuska83✭✭✭✭✭I might agree if not for what those CP represent. If it was just grinding XP they could just keep showing everyone at gear cap. However, each one of those CP adds to that players actual combat statistics. Some of the Vet 4 man content is just not achievable at lower CP unless you are being carried. If you truly want to learn the game then maybe you should stop using the group finder and get in a good guild with members who want to help you with mechanics, rotations, gear farming, etc.1 -
Jura23✭✭✭✭✭
✭madchuska83 wrote: »I might agree if not for what those CP represent. If it was just grinding XP they could just keep showing everyone at gear cap. However, each one of those CP adds to that players actual combat statistics. Some of the Vet 4 man content is just not achievable at lower CP unless you are being carried. If you truly want to learn the game then maybe you should stop using the group finder and get in a good guild with members who want to help you with mechanics, rotations, gear farming, etc.
Rotations are totally overrated. Basically every half intelligent person can read the tooltips and figure out some reasonable rotation. What is much more important is situational awarness both in PvE and PvP. When you notice important things sooner than others, you're playing this game right.Georgion - Bosmer/Templar - PC/EU0 -
Knootewoot✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Just finish leveling up . It's not even hard anymore .
I find it hard to level up because it's boring as hell٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶
"I am a nightblade. Blending the disciplines of the stealthy agent and subtle wizard, I move unseen and undetected, foil locks and traps, and teleport to safety when threatened, or strike like a viper from ambush. The College of Illusion hides me and fuddles or pacifies my opponents. The College of Mysticism detects my object, reflects and dispels enemy spells, and makes good my escape. The key to a nightblade's success is avoidance, by spell or by stealth; with these skills, all things are possible."2 -
LiquidPony✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭madchuska83 wrote: »I might agree if not for what those CP represent. If it was just grinding XP they could just keep showing everyone at gear cap. However, each one of those CP adds to that players actual combat statistics. Some of the Vet 4 man content is just not achievable at lower CP unless you are being carried. If you truly want to learn the game then maybe you should stop using the group finder and get in a good guild with members who want to help you with mechanics, rotations, gear farming, etc.
Why bother responding if you can't be bothered to read anything anyone else wrote?
We're not talking about people who need to learn the game. We're not talking about people who need help with mechanics or gear or rotations.
We're talking about people with low CP.
These are not the same thing.
But that's already been said 35 times, so I doubt there was any point in saying it again.
And I think that really wraps this thread, and OP's suggestion is doomed to fail regardless, because what has been revealed here is that the toxicity and stupidity in the Activity Finder is inevitable in this game for obvious reasons.Edited by LiquidPony on February 10, 2018 7:06PM2 -
FearlessOne_2014✭✭✭✭✭
✭LiquidPony wrote: »madchuska83 wrote: »I might agree if not for what those CP represent. If it was just grinding XP they could just keep showing everyone at gear cap. However, each one of those CP adds to that players actual combat statistics. Some of the Vet 4 man content is just not achievable at lower CP unless you are being carried. If you truly want to learn the game then maybe you should stop using the group finder and get in a good guild with members who want to help you with mechanics, rotations, gear farming, etc.
Why bother responding if you can't be bothered to read anything anyone else wrote?
We're not talking about people who need to learn the game. We're not talking about people who need help with mechanics or gear or rotations.
We're talking about people with low CP.
These are not the same thing.
But that's already been said 35 times, so I doubt there was any point in saying it again.
And I think that really wraps this thread, and OP's suggestion is doomed to fail regardless, because what has been revealed here is that the toxicity and stupidity in the Activity Finder is inevitable in this game for obvious reasons.
Pretty much you are correct. Those reasons are called. Mechanics checks. If or not dps, healer, tank, or any combination of all three. As long as there are mechanics checks in Vet content in this game. It is very unrealistic of anyone to expect, to waste time on some random who don't even respect you or your free time. Enough to even bother to read up, understand, and be able to bring the bare minimum requirements of him/her, for a group clear. It's really as simple as that!\
So your grief should not be with the players. But ultimately with game mechanics and devs. In which case you may be more looking at playing a MMO like GW2. Which will hand you almost everything with little to no effort involved. "Hey guys just stack in this corner and burn" "Woohoo we are MLG status gamers from being able to stack in this corner, and burn content by facerolling on our keyboards. We sooo pro guys!" Yeah that sounds more of what people like you are looking for.Edited by FearlessOne_2014 on February 10, 2018 7:48PM0 -
LiquidPony✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »LiquidPony wrote: »madchuska83 wrote: »I might agree if not for what those CP represent. If it was just grinding XP they could just keep showing everyone at gear cap. However, each one of those CP adds to that players actual combat statistics. Some of the Vet 4 man content is just not achievable at lower CP unless you are being carried. If you truly want to learn the game then maybe you should stop using the group finder and get in a good guild with members who want to help you with mechanics, rotations, gear farming, etc.
Why bother responding if you can't be bothered to read anything anyone else wrote?
We're not talking about people who need to learn the game. We're not talking about people who need help with mechanics or gear or rotations.
We're talking about people with low CP.
These are not the same thing.
But that's already been said 35 times, so I doubt there was any point in saying it again.
And I think that really wraps this thread, and OP's suggestion is doomed to fail regardless, because what has been revealed here is that the toxicity and stupidity in the Activity Finder is inevitable in this game for obvious reasons.
Pretty much you are correct. Those reasons are called. Mechanics checks. If or not dps, healer, tank, or any combination of all three. As long as there are mechanics checks in Vet content in this game. It is very unrealistic of anyone to expect, to waste time on some random who don't even respect you or your free time. Enough to even bother to read up, understand, and be able to bring the bare minimum requirements of him/her, for a group clear. It's really as simple as that!\
So your grief should not be with the players. But ultimately with game mechanics and devs. In which case you may be more looking at playing a MMO like GW2. Which will hand you almost everything with little to no effort involved. "Hey guys just stack in this corner and burn" "Woohoo we are MLG status gamers from being able to stack in this corner, and burn content by facerolling on our keyboards. We sooo pro guys!" Yeah that sounds more of what people like you are looking for.
@FearlessOne_2014
Oh.
My.
F'n.
God.
Please, please, for the love of God, read this carefully and take a few moments to really digest it before continuing with your finest brick wall impression:
I have Flawless on every one of my DPS characters on my main account. I have completed every bit of group PvE content in the game short of vMoL HM and vAS+2. Maw skin, Halls skin, no-death/speedruns in every dungeon, all-time leaderboards in every Trial and Maelstrom.
When I play on my PC account, which has low CP, I sometimes get kicked from Activity Finder dungeons before they start. And even with ~200 CP on a character with all purple Training gear (weapons included), it's a rare Activity Finder group where I'm not doing 40-50%+ of the group's DPS on bosses even after rezzing the 690CP DPS (multiple times) using a 2H front bar who can't be bothered to not stand in the stupid. Because I have a good rotation. Because I know the mechanics. Because I've completed all of these dungeons hundreds of times (and soloed most of them) and I know what I'm doing.
And I'm not even talking about vet DLC dungeons. I don't queue for those on my low CP account. I'm talking about getting booted from the easiest content in the game like City of Ash 1 and Elden Hollow and Tempest Island.
I don't say any of this to brag, because there are thousands of players out who are better than me or have more accomplishments than me. I'm simply trying to demonstrate that skill and CP are totally separate things (although by now it's clear that this effort is pointless because some people are simply too far gone to grasp the concept).
My "grief" is absolutely pointed in the right direction. You alone have made that crystal clear.Edited by LiquidPony on February 10, 2018 8:38PM1 -
FearlessOne_2014✭✭✭✭✭
✭LiquidPony wrote: »FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »LiquidPony wrote: »madchuska83 wrote: »I might agree if not for what those CP represent. If it was just grinding XP they could just keep showing everyone at gear cap. However, each one of those CP adds to that players actual combat statistics. Some of the Vet 4 man content is just not achievable at lower CP unless you are being carried. If you truly want to learn the game then maybe you should stop using the group finder and get in a good guild with members who want to help you with mechanics, rotations, gear farming, etc.
Why bother responding if you can't be bothered to read anything anyone else wrote?
We're not talking about people who need to learn the game. We're not talking about people who need help with mechanics or gear or rotations.
We're talking about people with low CP.
These are not the same thing.
But that's already been said 35 times, so I doubt there was any point in saying it again.
And I think that really wraps this thread, and OP's suggestion is doomed to fail regardless, because what has been revealed here is that the toxicity and stupidity in the Activity Finder is inevitable in this game for obvious reasons.
Pretty much you are correct. Those reasons are called. Mechanics checks. If or not dps, healer, tank, or any combination of all three. As long as there are mechanics checks in Vet content in this game. It is very unrealistic of anyone to expect, to waste time on some random who don't even respect you or your free time. Enough to even bother to read up, understand, and be able to bring the bare minimum requirements of him/her, for a group clear. It's really as simple as that!\
So your grief should not be with the players. But ultimately with game mechanics and devs. In which case you may be more looking at playing a MMO like GW2. Which will hand you almost everything with little to no effort involved. "Hey guys just stack in this corner and burn" "Woohoo we are MLG status gamers from being able to stack in this corner, and burn content by facerolling on our keyboards. We sooo pro guys!" Yeah that sounds more of what people like you are looking for.
@FearlessOne_2014
Oh.
My.
F'n.
God.
Please, please, for the love of God, read this carefully and take a few moments to really digest it before continuing with your finest brick wall impression:
I have Flawless on every one of my DPS characters on my main account. I have completed every bit of group PvE content in the game short of vMoL HM and vAS+2. Maw skin, Halls skin, no-death/speedruns in every dungeon, all-time leaderboards in every Trial and Maelstrom.
When I play on my PC account, which has low CP, I sometimes get kicked from Activity Finder dungeons before they start. And even with ~200 CP on a character with all purple Training gear (weapons included), it's a rare Activity Finder group where I'm not doing 40-50%+ of the group's DPS on bosses even after rezzing the 690CP DPS (multiple times) using a 2H front bar who can't be bothered to not stand in the stupid. Because I have a good rotation. Because I know the mechanics. Because I've completed all of these dungeons hundreds of times (and soloed most of them) and I know what I'm doing.
And I'm not even talking about vet DLC dungeons. I don't queue for those on my low CP account. I'm talking about getting booted from the easiest content in the game like City of Ash 1 and Elden Hollow and Tempest Island.
I don't say any of this to brag, because there are thousands of players out who are better than me or have more accomplishments than me. I'm simply trying to demonstrate that skill and CP are totally separate things (although by now it's clear that this effort is pointless because some people are simply too far gone to grasp the concept).
My "grief" is absolutely pointed in the right direction. You alone have made that crystal clear.
In out of a 100 times. How many of those times have you be instantly kicked from group?0 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »LiquidPony wrote: »madchuska83 wrote: »I might agree if not for what those CP represent. If it was just grinding XP they could just keep showing everyone at gear cap. However, each one of those CP adds to that players actual combat statistics. Some of the Vet 4 man content is just not achievable at lower CP unless you are being carried. If you truly want to learn the game then maybe you should stop using the group finder and get in a good guild with members who want to help you with mechanics, rotations, gear farming, etc.
Why bother responding if you can't be bothered to read anything anyone else wrote?
We're not talking about people who need to learn the game. We're not talking about people who need help with mechanics or gear or rotations.
We're talking about people with low CP.
These are not the same thing.
But that's already been said 35 times, so I doubt there was any point in saying it again.
And I think that really wraps this thread, and OP's suggestion is doomed to fail regardless, because what has been revealed here is that the toxicity and stupidity in the Activity Finder is inevitable in this game for obvious reasons.
Pretty much you are correct. Those reasons are called. Mechanics checks. If or not dps, healer, tank, or any combination of all three. As long as there are mechanics checks in Vet content in this game. It is very unrealistic of anyone to expect, to waste time on some random who don't even respect you or your free time. Enough to even bother to read up, understand, and be able to bring the bare minimum requirements of him/her, for a group clear. It's really as simple as that!\
What does having mechanics checks have to do with the amount of CP someone has?
Let me give an example purely from normal dungeons, since the difference between level 15s and level 45s are pretty drastic.
Before Clockwork City I regularly tanked normal Fungal Grotto II with players between level 10-20 on my max CP tank. FGII is a fairly mechanic-heavy dungeon. As you can imagine, those runs didn't go particularly quickly, but as long as those players listened when I explained the mechanics, we cleared it every time.
Outside of a few straight-up DPS checks, the majority of the dungeon mechanics don't require any amount of CP. They require alertness, knowing the mechanic, and knowing the tactics to deal with it.
Having low or high CP is no indication of whether or not someone knows the mechanic or can properly execute it. I've had max level parties need to have the pinion explained on the Planar Inhibitor for example.2 -
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