Do you use snakeblood passive?

Asardes · February 2018

Virtually none of the useful potions have negative effects so this passive has really no use in its current form. IMO it should have been reworked a long time ago, when poisons were introduced in the game (Dark Brotherhood update) into one that gives resistance to negative effects of poisons applied by other players. That would be really useful, just like Medicinal Use.

For example:

Snakeblood

Rank I Reduces the effects to poisons applied to you by 10% Alchemy Rank 23
Rank II Reduces the effects to poisons applied to you by 20% Alchemy Rank 33
Rank III Reduces the effects to poisons applied to you by 30% Alchemy Rank 43

Tasear · February 2018

runagate wrote: »

You'd think it'd be more popular what with trollblood mitigating alchemical stat-draining poisons in pvp

Would be interesting with trollking, or Earth Gore ...oh oh

Asardes · February 2018

... or ratblood
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/animals-venom-cant-touch-180960658/

SquareSausage · February 2018

Jade1986 wrote: »

SquareSausage wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

Why not, not like we dont have an absurd amount of skill points anyway, and it means you are able to make useful potions that would otherwise hurt you.

Just make a potion that doesn't harm you and save a flower.

The thing is, my toons are not rich, and they dont farm. So it is actually pretty useful, so I have more options when making potions.

You must be making some really stupid potion combos then if you need snakeblood to minimize negative effects, just make a positive potion with 2 reagents instead of 3 with a negative effect, that will save you money/farming.

Eiagra · February 2018

I haven't been able to find a combination that would require Snakeblood to be effective that I can't already get with a different combination of plants and no negative effects to begin with.

If there was some particularly potent/useful combination that tacked on a negative that made this passive worthwhile, then I'd consider it.

Tasear · February 2018

Side note I believe they actually give more resources back then other crafted potions.

Jade1986 · February 2018

SquareSausage wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

SquareSausage wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

Why not, not like we dont have an absurd amount of skill points anyway, and it means you are able to make useful potions that would otherwise hurt you.

Just make a potion that doesn't harm you and save a flower.

The thing is, my toons are not rich, and they dont farm. So it is actually pretty useful, so I have more options when making potions.

You must be making some really stupid potion combos then if you need snakeblood to minimize negative effects, just make a positive potion with 2 reagents instead of 3 with a negative effect, that will save you money/farming.

Or I just happen to have run out of the ingredients without negative ingredients and then happened to have some that had a negative effect?

Also, aggressive much?

Jade1986 · February 2018

Tasear wrote: »

Side note I believe they actually give more resources back then other crafted potions.

Careful, independent thought not allowed here. Must. Follow. Herd.

Tasear · February 2018

Jade1986 wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Side note I believe they actually give more resources back then other crafted potions.

Careful, independent thought not allowed here. Must. Follow. Herd.

But but what if... there's really a reason it exists. Assuming you could tie say another buff buff and other one on a skill ( ex blue Betty). Then you might end up with better sustain and damage.

Tasear · February 2018

Jade1986 wrote: »

SquareSausage wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

SquareSausage wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

Why not, not like we dont have an absurd amount of skill points anyway, and it means you are able to make useful potions that would otherwise hurt you.

Just make a potion that doesn't harm you and save a flower.

The thing is, my toons are not rich, and they dont farm. So it is actually pretty useful, so I have more options when making potions.

You must be making some really stupid potion combos then if you need snakeblood to minimize negative effects, just make a positive potion with 2 reagents instead of 3 with a negative effect, that will save you money/farming.

Or I just happen to have run out of the ingredients without negative ingredients and then happened to have some that had a negative effect?

Also, aggressive much?

True might save on costs.

Asardes · February 2018

Tasear wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

SquareSausage wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

SquareSausage wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

Why not, not like we dont have an absurd amount of skill points anyway, and it means you are able to make useful potions that would otherwise hurt you.

Just make a potion that doesn't harm you and save a flower.

The thing is, my toons are not rich, and they dont farm. So it is actually pretty useful, so I have more options when making potions.

You must be making some really stupid potion combos then if you need snakeblood to minimize negative effects, just make a positive potion with 2 reagents instead of 3 with a negative effect, that will save you money/farming.

Or I just happen to have run out of the ingredients without negative ingredients and then happened to have some that had a negative effect?

Also, aggressive much?

True might save on costs.

It doesn't. You can't get more than 3 effects in a potions, and some potions and ingredients for them are that expensive precisely because they give 3 beneficial effects. You can find plenty of ingredients that only give 2 of those effects, without any negative associated one, but not the 3rd, and those are quite cheap.

CrazyCleatus · February 2018

Asardes wrote: »

Virtually none of the useful potions have negative effects so this passive has really no use in its current form. IMO it should have been reworked a long time ago, when poisons were introduced in the game (Dark Brotherhood update) into one that gives resistance to negative effects of poisons applied by other players. That would be really useful, just like Medicinal Use.

For example:

Snakeblood

Rank I Reduces the effects to poisons applied to you by 10% Alchemy Rank 23
Rank II Reduces the effects to poisons applied to you by 20% Alchemy Rank 33
Rank III Reduces the effects to poisons applied to you by 30% Alchemy Rank 43

This please.

Runefang · February 2018

Personally on my nightblade I like testing my healing abilities by casting malevolent offering and drinking a poison.

JamuThatsWho · February 2018

I'd remove it completely and swap it for an Alchemy Hireling.

Tasear · February 2018

Asardes wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

SquareSausage wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

SquareSausage wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

Why not, not like we dont have an absurd amount of skill points anyway, and it means you are able to make useful potions that would otherwise hurt you.

Just make a potion that doesn't harm you and save a flower.

The thing is, my toons are not rich, and they dont farm. So it is actually pretty useful, so I have more options when making potions.

You must be making some really stupid potion combos then if you need snakeblood to minimize negative effects, just make a positive potion with 2 reagents instead of 3 with a negative effect, that will save you money/farming.

Or I just happen to have run out of the ingredients without negative ingredients and then happened to have some that had a negative effect?

Also, aggressive much?

True might save on costs.

It doesn't. You can't get more than 3 effects in a potions, and some potions and ingredients for them are that expensive precisely because they give 3 beneficial effects. You can find plenty of ingredients that only give 2 of those effects, without any negative associated one, but not the 3rd, and those are quite cheap.

On a different note, some of these potions with negative effect... well minimize negative effect. I recall produce potions that don't exist...with let's say positive potions. ( Different Combs of buffs with it)

Deep_01 · February 2018

LF reason to put points there.

Tasear · February 2018

Conspiracy time... what is this for some non existent beseaker class.

Carbonised · February 2018

Asardes wrote: »

Virtually none of the useful potions have negative effects so this passive has really no use in its current form. IMO it should have been reworked a long time ago, when poisons were introduced in the game (Dark Brotherhood update) into one that gives resistance to negative effects of poisons applied by other players. That would be really useful, just like Medicinal Use.

For example:

Snakeblood

Rank I Reduces the effects to poisons applied to you by 10% Alchemy Rank 23
Rank II Reduces the effects to poisons applied to you by 20% Alchemy Rank 33
Rank III Reduces the effects to poisons applied to you by 30% Alchemy Rank 43

Best ideas I've seen for a rework of the passive. Plus it will serve at least as a partial remedy against poisons in PvP.

And no, that passive is the only crafting passive I have never used. I also don't use the 3 research time passives, but that's because all my research has been done for a while. At least the research passives were worth something at an earlier time, Snakeblood has never been useful for anything.

tambo.01b16_ESO · February 2018

I always thought that Snakeblood negated all negative effects, but it seems this is not the case.

Done a test using Blessed Thistle, Columbine and Mountain Flower.

All 3 have Restore Stamina, and this works well

Restores 7582 Stamina immediately and increases Stamina Recovery by 20% for 52.8 seconds.

Columbine and Mountain Flower also have Restore Health, but Blessed Thistle has Ravage Health, which negates the Restore Health of the other 2.

Not sure if the dev team intended for Snakeblood to Negate all negative effects, but the potion does not restore any health when taken. I have 3/3 Snakeblood.

The only reason I have 3/3 Snakeblood is to improve chances of an Alchemy Master Writ drop.

If it negated all negative effects, it probably would be worthwhile.

Asardes · February 2018

tambo.01b16_ESO wrote: »

I always thought that Snakeblood negated all negative effects, but it seems this is not the case.

Done a test using Blessed Thistle, Columbine and Mountain Flower.

All 3 have Restore Stamina, and this works well

Restores 7582 Stamina immediately and increases Stamina Recovery by 20% for 52.8 seconds.

Columbine and Mountain Flower also have Restore Health, but Blessed Thistle has Ravage Health, which negates the Restore Health of the other 2.

Not sure if the dev team intended for Snakeblood to Negate all negative effects, but the potion does not restore any health when taken. I have 3/3 Snakeblood.

The only reason I have 3/3 Snakeblood is to improve chances of an Alchemy Master Writ drop.

If it negated all negative effects, it probably would be worthwhile.

If you have a negative and positive effect of the same type in your combo of ingredients they will cancel each other out, even if there are two positives and a negative. Also master writ rate doesn't take into account the Snakeblood passive, but the traits discovered for each ingredient, so check Toxicologist and Alchemist achievements under Crafting>Alchemy tab. If those are completed you should be OK.

SquareSausage · February 2018

Jade1986 wrote: »

SquareSausage wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

SquareSausage wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

Why not, not like we dont have an absurd amount of skill points anyway, and it means you are able to make useful potions that would otherwise hurt you.

Just make a potion that doesn't harm you and save a flower.

The thing is, my toons are not rich, and they dont farm. So it is actually pretty useful, so I have more options when making potions.

You must be making some really stupid potion combos then if you need snakeblood to minimize negative effects, just make a positive potion with 2 reagents instead of 3 with a negative effect, that will save you money/farming.

Or I just happen to have run out of the ingredients without negative ingredients and then happened to have some that had a negative effect?

Also, aggressive much?

Hardly aggressive, just pointing out the truth that your use of potions is flawed and could easily save yourself money and reagents.

I'm gonna guess you aren't running like super hard content due to this, and id suggest then that you actually don't really need the potion in that case so why bother wasting regents on making rubbish potions.

tambo.01b16_ESO · February 2018

Asardes wrote: »

tambo.01b16_ESO wrote: »

I always thought that Snakeblood negated all negative effects, but it seems this is not the case.

Done a test using Blessed Thistle, Columbine and Mountain Flower.

All 3 have Restore Stamina, and this works well

Restores 7582 Stamina immediately and increases Stamina Recovery by 20% for 52.8 seconds.

Columbine and Mountain Flower also have Restore Health, but Blessed Thistle has Ravage Health, which negates the Restore Health of the other 2.

Not sure if the dev team intended for Snakeblood to Negate all negative effects, but the potion does not restore any health when taken. I have 3/3 Snakeblood.

The only reason I have 3/3 Snakeblood is to improve chances of an Alchemy Master Writ drop.

If it negated all negative effects, it probably would be worthwhile.

If you have a negative and positive effect of the same type in your combo of ingredients they will cancel each other out, even if there are two positives and a negative. Also master writ rate doesn't take into account the Snakeblood passive, but the traits discovered for each ingredient, so check Toxicologist and Alchemist achievements under Crafting>Alchemy tab. If those are completed you should be OK.

One negative cancels 1 positive. If we could make potions with 4 ingredients and had 3 positive and 1 negative, then the 2 positives remaining would give you the effect. No way to test this with only 3 ingredients.

The chance of Master Writ drop rates also takes in to account the amount of skill points invested in any / all crafting skill lines. Look back at all the Homestead posts and you'll find this confirmed by the devs who were answering the 1001 questions about Master Writs, but they wouldn't say what percentage each skill point would improve chance by.

**Edit** I've maxed out all skills in Alchemy and would say I get roughly 50 - 55 % chance of a Master Writ drop. I do the writs every 2 days and when I get the 2 Alchemy satchels, almost all the time there is 1 Master Writ. Sometimes both have Master Writs, occasionally none in both. Maybe I'm just lucky

AshTal · February 2018

I know a while back they said they would actually make this passive worth something but it hasn't happened yet. Currently its worthless and even though skill points are not in short supply I would never take it.

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO · February 2018

I think this is literally the most useless passive in this game...

Jade1986 · February 2018

Apparently so little people use it no one actually knows what it really does.

Let me enlighten.

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tambo.01b16_ESO wrote: »

I always thought that Snakeblood negated all negative effects, but it seems this is not the case.

Done a test using Blessed Thistle, Columbine and Mountain Flower.

All 3 have Restore Stamina, and this works well

Restores 7582 Stamina immediately and increases Stamina Recovery by 20% for 52.8 seconds.

Columbine and Mountain Flower also have Restore Health, but Blessed Thistle has Ravage Health, which negates the Restore Health of the other 2.

Not sure if the dev team intended for Snakeblood to Negate all negative effects, but the potion does not restore any health when taken. I have 3/3 Snakeblood.

The only reason I have 3/3 Snakeblood is to improve chances of an Alchemy Master Writ drop.

If it negated all negative effects, it probably would be worthwhile.

Thats really wierd because when I make potions with negative effects with 3/3 snakeblood it changes everything to 0 per x amount of seconds or 0 %

Amadis001 · February 2018

I have 35 unused skill points on my main, after putting skill points into absolutely everything that can possibly help my build. And I still can't think of a good reason to use one of my skill points on snakeblood.

Tasear · February 2018

tambo.01b16_ESO wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

tambo.01b16_ESO wrote: »

I always thought that Snakeblood negated all negative effects, but it seems this is not the case.

Done a test using Blessed Thistle, Columbine and Mountain Flower.

All 3 have Restore Stamina, and this works well

Restores 7582 Stamina immediately and increases Stamina Recovery by 20% for 52.8 seconds.

Columbine and Mountain Flower also have Restore Health, but Blessed Thistle has Ravage Health, which negates the Restore Health of the other 2.

Not sure if the dev team intended for Snakeblood to Negate all negative effects, but the potion does not restore any health when taken. I have 3/3 Snakeblood.

The only reason I have 3/3 Snakeblood is to improve chances of an Alchemy Master Writ drop.

If it negated all negative effects, it probably would be worthwhile.

If you have a negative and positive effect of the same type in your combo of ingredients they will cancel each other out, even if there are two positives and a negative. Also master writ rate doesn't take into account the Snakeblood passive, but the traits discovered for each ingredient, so check Toxicologist and Alchemist achievements under Crafting>Alchemy tab. If those are completed you should be OK.

One negative cancels 1 positive. If we could make potions with 4 ingredients and had 3 positive and 1 negative, then the 2 positives remaining would give you the effect. No way to test this with only 3 ingredients.

The chance of Master Writ drop rates also takes in to account the amount of skill points invested in any / all crafting skill lines. Look back at all the Homestead posts and you'll find this confirmed by the devs who were answering the 1001 questions about Master Writs, but they wouldn't say what percentage each skill point would improve chance by.

**Edit** I've maxed out all skills in Alchemy and would say I get roughly 50 - 55 % chance of a Master Writ drop. I do the writs every 2 days and when I get the 2 Alchemy satchels, almost all the time there is 1 Master Writ. Sometimes both have Master Writs, occasionally none in both. Maybe I'm just lucky

Pretty sure it's actually only first passive in each crafting line for it.

Jade1986 · February 2018

Tasear wrote: »

tambo.01b16_ESO wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

tambo.01b16_ESO wrote: »

I always thought that Snakeblood negated all negative effects, but it seems this is not the case.

Done a test using Blessed Thistle, Columbine and Mountain Flower.

All 3 have Restore Stamina, and this works well

Restores 7582 Stamina immediately and increases Stamina Recovery by 20% for 52.8 seconds.

Columbine and Mountain Flower also have Restore Health, but Blessed Thistle has Ravage Health, which negates the Restore Health of the other 2.

Not sure if the dev team intended for Snakeblood to Negate all negative effects, but the potion does not restore any health when taken. I have 3/3 Snakeblood.

The only reason I have 3/3 Snakeblood is to improve chances of an Alchemy Master Writ drop.

If it negated all negative effects, it probably would be worthwhile.

If you have a negative and positive effect of the same type in your combo of ingredients they will cancel each other out, even if there are two positives and a negative. Also master writ rate doesn't take into account the Snakeblood passive, but the traits discovered for each ingredient, so check Toxicologist and Alchemist achievements under Crafting>Alchemy tab. If those are completed you should be OK.

One negative cancels 1 positive. If we could make potions with 4 ingredients and had 3 positive and 1 negative, then the 2 positives remaining would give you the effect. No way to test this with only 3 ingredients.

The chance of Master Writ drop rates also takes in to account the amount of skill points invested in any / all crafting skill lines. Look back at all the Homestead posts and you'll find this confirmed by the devs who were answering the 1001 questions about Master Writs, but they wouldn't say what percentage each skill point would improve chance by.

**Edit** I've maxed out all skills in Alchemy and would say I get roughly 50 - 55 % chance of a Master Writ drop. I do the writs every 2 days and when I get the 2 Alchemy satchels, almost all the time there is 1 Master Writ. Sometimes both have Master Writs, occasionally none in both. Maybe I'm just lucky

Pretty sure it's actually only first passive in each crafting line for it.

Hmmm, while that is a nice qol feature, you would think for master writs you would need all =P