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Izaki✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Mate, in every good trial group, there are usually at least 4 Stamina DDs in every trial aside from Asylum Sanctorium. In certain groups you can get as many as 6 Stamina DDs. I'd say Stam and Mag is pretty balanced right now. Actually, no, Mag definitely needs buffs.@ Izaki #PCEU
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JiKama✭✭✭✭Eh... I've ran 2 Norm AS and magicka/Stam players were dropping left and right. Meanwhile my Argonian Bow/Bow Stamblade was doing just fine. People can play what they want, but remember to stay out of the red
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Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ESO has a clear bend towards magicka and staves. I don't know the reason -- I heard it's because the lead combat developer plays a magicka character but I doubt ESO would allow something that petty to define their game -- but it's true. Look around any vet trial and you're going to see double the staff wielding DPS to melee dps. I get it...staves are easier and safer because you have those all-important shields and can play within the safety of range. But man this game loves its staves.
Does the overwhelming preference to staff wielders drive the drop rate? I've been paying a lot of attention to overland chests and with over a thousand looted weapons in the last few weeks, almost exactly 2/3 of them are staves. Assuming each staff is counted as its own weapon, there are 12 weapon types in the game and 4 staves. So in my small sample size, staves are dropping at DOUBLE the expected rate if linearly distributed.
In addition to the empirical data, I have run well over 100 Sanctum Ophidian trials looking for daggers of the TFS or VO. I've pulled exactly zero daggers, two swords, one maul, and one mace. But I decon several staves a week.
Do staves drop like candy because so many more players play them?
(and, if you feel the need to tell me I'm wrong about staff use because your trial group that speedmodes every vet trial in the game has 9 melee characters, to ahead...)
That statement is false unless you are in VAS+2 or are in a bad raid group. Your premise is flawed, which makes anything that follows meaningless. Also, you are trying to connect RNG and what you incorrectly perceive to be the meta. I personally have more VO daggers than I do IA destro staffs for example. It's just RNG. Also, why on earth would you want TFS weapons? That is not a set where you want to lose the 5 piece bonus when you swap, but I suppose that is a different debate.
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LadyNalcarya✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I love that last boss in HOF where you're spending half the time just finding that tiny little choice spot on the ledge that lets you hit his hitbox. It's like they designed this trial to make trial groups go back to all magsorc dps or something.
Actually you dont have to do that. You only need 1 person on each side to deal with the mechanics. And its possible for dds to stay downstairs as long as everyone blocks the knockback attack.Dro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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ThisOnePosts✭✭✭✭✭I have played all classes and both mag & stam since beta. Magicka is easier to manage because you block, dodge-roll, and sprint with stamina as well which means that same stam pool is used up for things that Magicka would be free to.
With that said, I find Stam burst-dps to be top of the food chain in terms of damage -- however Magicka could be used a lot more than stamina which means also more attacks before pots, regen, etc...
I don't think either are OP.. both are viable. However, given that stam doesn't regen while blocking yet is used for attacks -- it should have a separate pool for blocking/dodge-roll/sprint. Or make melee a different pool since "stamina" makes a lot of sense for block/dodge/sprint.
We've said these things for years though, it would require a decent overhaul but nothing more than what they've already overhauled (which means it's completely within reason).
TL;DR: Stamina has amazing dps, but Magicka you can use more of since you don't block, sprint, or dodge with Magicka and magicka doesn't stop its regen when doing one of those things either.Edited by ThisOnePosts on February 6, 2018 11:07PM1 -
Zer0oo✭✭✭✭✭
✭LadyNalcarya wrote: »I love that last boss in HOF where you're spending half the time just finding that tiny little choice spot on the ledge that lets you hit his hitbox. It's like they designed this trial to make trial groups go back to all magsorc dps or something.
Actually you dont have to do that. You only need 1 person on each side to deal with the mechanics. And its possible for dds to stay downstairs as long as everyone blocks the knockback attack.
But to be fair the hitboxes of very big enemies are utterly s***. The bigger the enemy is the harder it is to hit it from a melee spot.
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notyuu✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I tend to find that magicka DPS works out better if you are taking on bosses/hard hitting enemies/soloing vDung or vma, due to the affored safety from both the range and the damage sheilds.. where as stamina DPS is superior in just about every other aspect1 -
pod88kk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭If Stam characters had a decent shield the only magicka users would be the healers1 -
Blacksmoke✭✭✭✭✭As is it should beChampion point: 645CharactersGanlian Stormian - AD - Dungeon healer - Templar - CrafterOndaril Stormian - AD - Trail DPS - SorcererShagrod gro-Bolmog - AD - PVP - Dragonknight0 -
KingYogi415✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Funny, I saw a thread last week claiming only stam builds are good now.
It’s almost as if neither of the poster have any idea what they are talking about...Edited by KingYogi415 on February 7, 2018 8:34PM2 -
Ep1kMalware✭✭✭✭✭
✭ESO has a clear bend towards magicka and staves. I don't know the reason -- I heard it's because the lead combat developer plays a magicka character but I doubt ESO would allow something that petty to define their game -- but it's true. Look around any vet trial and you're going to see double the staff wielding DPS to melee dps. I get it...staves are easier and safer because you have those all-important shields and can play within the safety of range. But man this game loves its staves.
Does the overwhelming preference to staff wielders drive the drop rate? I've been paying a lot of attention to overland chests and with over a thousand looted weapons in the last few weeks, almost exactly 2/3 of them are staves. Assuming each staff is counted as its own weapon, there are 12 weapon types in the game and 4 staves. So in my small sample size, staves are dropping at DOUBLE the expected rate if linearly distributed.
In addition to the empirical data, I have run well over 100 Sanctum Ophidian trials looking for daggers of the TFS or VO. I've pulled exactly zero daggers, two swords, one maul, and one mace. But I decon several staves a week.
Do staves drop like candy because so many more players play them?
(and, if you feel the need to tell me I'm wrong about staff use because your trial group that speedmodes every vet trial in the game has 9 melee characters, to ahead...)
There's 4 types of staves in 9 possible traits though, that's to be expected, lol.
Tbh I think most players choose magica because it's easy. You only need 2 braincells to do 25k dps on mSorc.Edited by Ep1kMalware on February 7, 2018 9:06AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭The thread is on the verge of becoming a classic. We’ve had “Magicka is superior because Wrobel plays it”, “animation canceling is cheating”, and “separate PvE and PvP because PvE suffers” in the postings so far. Wondering which meme next comes up.Edited by Feanor on February 7, 2018 9:13AMMain characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.0 -
Olupajmibanan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Stamina DD does way more dps while magicka DD is more survivable. Thanks to this, the job of stamina DD is to burn the boss down while magicka DD to the dirty job and take care of mechanics.
Just take veteran Rakkat as an example. Two magicka sorcs are dedicated to running in the backyard, one healer and three magicka DDs are dedicated to lure the darkness falls meteors. MT and OT have their own special mechanics. And stamina DDs? Burn the boss and don't stand in stupid.
From this point of view, it's seems the DW/bow is the dominating setup and duo staff users are just slaves to improve stamina DDs even further.0 -
Ep1kMalware✭✭✭✭✭
✭Olupajmibanan wrote: »Stamina DD does way more dps while magicka DD is more survivable. Thanks to this, the job of stamina DD is to burn the boss down while magicka DD to the dirty job and take care of mechanics.
Just take veteran Rakkat as an example. Two magicka sorcs are dedicated to running in the backyard, one healer and three magicka DDs are dedicated to lure the darkness falls meteors. MT and OT have their own special mechanics. And stamina DDs? Burn the boss and don't stand in stupid.
From this point of view, it's seems the DW/bow is the dominating setup and duo staff users are just slaves to improve stamina DDs even further.
Not true, even some stam dds are pretty much there to buff the group. And magnbs are there to just burn the boss. It's a huge coordinated effort. Everyone has a job0 -
PrayingSeraph✭✭✭✭✭I swear I hear the opposite every month. One month it's "Magicka is superior" next month it's Stam. I honestly don't know what to believe anymore.1 -
Ep1kMalware✭✭✭✭✭
✭PrayingSeraph wrote: »I swear I hear the opposite every month. One month it's "Magicka is superior" next month it's Stam. I honestly don't know what to believe anymore.
Theyre bothin a decent spot tbh. Stick with what ur good at0 -
Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Outside of warden, all magicka classes are better than their stamina counterpart in PvP.
Magblades,magDKs,magplars,magsorcs, all outperform their stamina counterparts.Edited by Ragnarock41 on February 7, 2018 10:48AM0
