Allow us to train all 3 riding skills at once.

Anotherone773 · February 2018

Just an idea...

Instead of training 1 skill every 20 hrs and it taking nearly 180 days( for most it will take at least that), allow us to train all 3 skills at the same time as follows:
* First skill = 250 gold
* Second skill =750 gold
* Third skill = 3000 gold.

If you have one skill training already, training a second skill will cost you 750 gold instead of 250. If you have two skills training, training a third skill will cost you 3000 gold to train. So...
* The cost to train all riding skills one at a time =180 days and 45k gold
* The cost to train all riding skills two at a time = 90 days( 60/30/30 followed by 30/30) and 90k gold. OR 120 days( 60/60 and then just the last 60) and 75k
* The cost to train all riding skills three at a time = 60 days and 240k gold or 533% more in gold for 1/3 of the time.

Kwik1 · February 2018

No...this would alienate newer players or simply poor players.

I agree we need to change this system but not to a system that simply favors richer players. It needs to be an equal system that all players can participate in.

Taleof2Cities · February 2018

ZOS would lose sales on riding lessons if this were implemented. As much as new players would like this it’s not going to happen.

Chilly-McFreeze · February 2018

Kwik1 wrote: »

No...this would alienate newer players or simply poor players.

I agree we need to change this system but not to a system that simply favors richer players. It needs to be an equal system that all players can participate in.

Having to wait 180 days alienates new players too.
Crown Store riding lessons alienate poor palyers as well.

If you can't afford 4k a day, then do what you're doing now. If you can, be happy.

Everstorm · February 2018

I would be very happy if I could just catch up on training for days that I missed, logging on 8 characters every day gets really old, really fast.

ckrobinson83 · February 2018

I would love to see a faster way (other than the crown store) to train the horses. I'm not sure it's overly useful to take 6 months to train a horse. You should be able to train all three in 60 days for maybe 300-350/skill/day.

Tandor · February 2018

Just no.

Like all MMORPGs this game is intended to be played for years, not weeks or even months. People need to accept that although they can head off to a dolmen, Skyreach or wherever and level a character to 50 in a matter of hours, fully developing that character is something else altogether and will take time. Three skills for the price/time of one offers, or achieving something on one character resulting in it being gifted to every other character slot on the account (how long then before demands that it be extended to slots on "linked" accounts?) simply won't wash.

If you only want to do things once, then have a single character - and take your time over it, there's no race involved. If, however, you want to get quick access to the "endgame" then ask for a Crown Store token to give it to you, but don't ask for the game to be dumbed down so that progressing in it over time is replaced by automatic instant gratification for all.

You may argue that it's only the veteran players that this sort of thing would appeal to as they're the ones with the means to pay for it, but isn't it the veteran players who are constantly complaining that the game is already too easy as it is? Having it easy is one thing, trivialising it is something else.

Chilly-McFreeze · February 2018

Tandor wrote: »

Just no.

Like all MMORPGs this game is intended to be played for years, not weeks or even months. People need to accept that although they can head off to a dolmen, Skyreach or wherever and level a character to 50 in a matter of hours, fully developing that character is something else altogether and will take time. Three skills for the price/time of one offers, or achieving something on one character resulting in it being gifted to every other character slot on the account (how long then before demands that it be extended to slots on "linked" accounts?) simply won't wash.

If you only want to do things once, then have a single character - and take your time over it, there's no race involved. If, however, you want to get quick access to the "endgame" then ask for a Crown Store token to give it to you, but don't ask for the game to be dumbed down so that progressing in it over time is replaced by automatic instant gratification for all.

You may argue that it's only the veteran players that this sort of thing would appeal to as they're the ones with the means to pay for it, but isn't it the veteran players who are constantly complaining that the game is already too easy as it is? Having it easy is one thing, trivialising it is something else.

Wow. Just wow. "dumbing down" is a bit of a stretch when you do nothing but push a button. Same with research times. At least there's an in game method to shorten that wait. And complaining endgamers about too tiny endgame section is a wierd argument when this is about shopping 1% horse *** a day.

Sincerely L2horsetrain,
your fellow l33t horsefeeder

Katahdin · February 2018

Tandor wrote: »

Just no.

Like all MMORPGs this game is intended to be played for years, not weeks or even months. People need to accept that although they can head off to a dolmen, Skyreach or wherever and level a character to 50 in a matter of hours, fully developing that character is something else altogether and will take time. Three skills for the price/time of one offers, or achieving something on one character resulting in it being gifted to every other character slot on the account (how long then before demands that it be extended to slots on "linked" accounts?) simply won't wash.

If you only want to do things once, then have a single character - and take your time over it, there's no race involved. If, however, you want to get quick access to the "endgame" then ask for a Crown Store token to give it to you, but don't ask for the game to be dumbed down so that progressing in it over time is replaced by automatic instant gratification for all.

You may argue that it's only the veteran players that this sort of thing would appeal to as they're the ones with the means to pay for it, but isn't it the veteran players who are constantly complaining that the game is already too easy as it is? Having it easy is one thing, trivialising it is something else.

Your argument is moot when someone can just take out their credit card and level their horse in a matter of minutes if they choose.

Parking a character at a stable for 6 months just to level a horse is tedious, stupid, and dumbing down the game experience. What learning curve is there to logging into a character every day for 6 freaking months to click a button and spend 250 gold? Did it really take you weeks to learn how to do that? Pretty sure it only took me one time to learn that.

So I don't play that character for months while waiting to get speed and stamina up to a tolerable level so I can not take an hour to ride anywhere or get dehorsed if a zombie so much as breathes in my direction. I did this with 10+ characters already, I dont think I have anything else to learn about leveling a horse. I already know it's frustrating, boring, tedious and stupid.

We aren't asking for a max character level token. We are asking for a pointless grind to be shortened so we can actually enjoy playing and leveling that character at a reasonable pace.

Kwik1 · February 2018

Katahdin wrote: »

[e aren't asking for a max character level token. We are asking for a pointless grind to be shortened so we can actually enjoy playing and leveling that character at a reasonable pace.

If you really need a fast horse or THAT much inventory space I'm sorry. I make new toons every so often, and while I notice the lack of speed it certainly doesn't stop me from enjoying my character.

Slurg · February 2018

Everstorm wrote: »

I would be very happy if I could just catch up on training for days that I missed, logging on 8 characters every day gets really old, really fast.

I like this idea, let people accumulate extra training for missed days up to a certain limit. The same way veteran players can accumulate enlightenment daily up to a certain limit.

I have enough gold that training 3x skills a day would be affordable so I like that idea too for my baby alt, but this would put all players on more equal footing.

I don’t think either option would significantly take away from crown lesson sales, since both options would still require wait times that some people will pay to get around.

Kwik1 · February 2018

Slurg wrote: »

Everstorm wrote: »

I would be very happy if I could just catch up on training for days that I missed, logging on 8 characters every day gets really old, really fast.

I like this idea, let people accumulate extra training for missed days up to a certain limit. The same way veteran players can accumulate enlightenment daily up to a certain limit.

I have enough gold that training 3x skills a day would be affordable so I like that idea too for my baby alt, but this would put all players on more equal footing.

I don’t think either option would significantly take away from crown lesson sales, since both options would still require wait times that some people will pay to get around.

This would be a great system and would be fair.

WrathOfInnos · February 2018

A gold sink for the rich and a better way to level mounts for alts? Yes please!

Tandor · February 2018

Katahdin wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Just no.

Like all MMORPGs this game is intended to be played for years, not weeks or even months. People need to accept that although they can head off to a dolmen, Skyreach or wherever and level a character to 50 in a matter of hours, fully developing that character is something else altogether and will take time. Three skills for the price/time of one offers, or achieving something on one character resulting in it being gifted to every other character slot on the account (how long then before demands that it be extended to slots on "linked" accounts?) simply won't wash.

If you only want to do things once, then have a single character - and take your time over it, there's no race involved. If, however, you want to get quick access to the "endgame" then ask for a Crown Store token to give it to you, but don't ask for the game to be dumbed down so that progressing in it over time is replaced by automatic instant gratification for all.

You may argue that it's only the veteran players that this sort of thing would appeal to as they're the ones with the means to pay for it, but isn't it the veteran players who are constantly complaining that the game is already too easy as it is? Having it easy is one thing, trivialising it is something else.

Your argument is moot when someone can just take out their credit card and level their horse in a matter of minutes if they choose.

Parking a character at a stable for 6 months just to level a horse is tedious, stupid, and dumbing down the game experience. What learning curve is there to logging into a character every day for 6 freaking months to click a button and spend 250 gold? Did it really take you weeks to learn how to do that? Pretty sure it only took me one time to learn that.

So I don't play that character for months while waiting to get speed and stamina up to a tolerable level so I can not take an hour to ride anywhere or get dehorsed if a zombie so much as breathes in my direction. I did this with 10+ characters already, I dont think I have anything else to learn about leveling a horse. I already know it's frustrating, boring, tedious and stupid.

We aren't asking for a max character level token. We are asking for a pointless grind to be shortened so we can actually enjoy playing and leveling that character at a reasonable pace.

A character isn't worth playing until you've parked it at a stable for 6 months and logged in daily to train it? Really?

VilniusNastavnik · February 2018

As a player who has been playing since One Tamriel, and has 8 toons. I can honestly say, I am only bothered to log into one of them to do the horses. And even then, I still have yet to actually complete it's training. Take long periods off with Work or just forgot entirely. Got carry capacity up to max then got lax with it. Now I only have 3 weeks to go on Stamina and it's done.

Horse training offers nothing to the end game content unless you are doing PvP. Get 60 extra bag space which is nice but if you have the banker, you can store everything in there anyway. My main has 200 capacity, the rest have only 100. They don't need anything else.

I would like a way to start to get their horses trained up as well if it meant I didn't have to park them next to the stable for 6 months. As it stands, I'm more than happy to run around the map on foot and use wayshrines to get to places. Get XP from trash fights whilst moving between locations.

Also would like Horses to be retroactive across all characters. Level 1, level them all. But that will absolutely kill riding skill sales in the crown store.

Darkestnght · February 2018

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha .....I've got to say just suck it up like countless others have. Not fair in any way to change it now. Just my opinion.

Chilly-McFreeze · February 2018

Darkestnght wrote: »

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha .....I've got to say just suck it up like countless others have. Not fair in any way to change it now. Just my opinion.

By that argument - remove transmutation, BoP trading for trial/ dungeon groups, "adjusted" XP gain after each CP cap raise, guild dailies and research scrolls. Something I forgot?

KrishakPanettier · February 2018

Go away. It is fine the way it is. We for 3-4 years have endured. Changing now undercuts all the effort we have already put in. You can buy in crown store upgrades to 'cheat' the system. That's enough cheapening our efforts.

Darkestnght · February 2018

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Darkestnght wrote: »

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha .....I've got to say just suck it up like countless others have. Not fair in any way to change it now. Just my opinion.

By that argument - remove transmutation, BoP trading for trial/ dungeon groups, "adjusted" XP gain after each CP cap raise, guild dailies and research scrolls. Something I forgot?

Yes! that all would be fine with me.

Anotherone773 · February 2018

Kwik1 wrote: »

No...this would alienate newer players or simply poor players.

I agree we need to change this system but not to a system that simply favors richer players. It needs to be an equal system that all players can participate in.

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

ZOS would lose sales on riding lessons if this were implemented. As much as new players would like this it’s not going to happen.

I am a new player. I can easily afford 4k a day. I can make that in an hour multiple ways. If you are that poor in this game, then you are either lazy or have a severe spending problem. As for crown lessons, i would never spend 1k crowns so my horse can go 1% faster or carry 1 extra item. Its not worth 1k crowns to save 20 hours on training something that does have a lot of impact in my gaming. Its not even worth 100 crowns to me, tbh.

Tandor wrote: »

Just no.

Like all MMORPGs this game is intended to be played for years, not weeks or even months. People need to accept that although they can head off to a dolmen, Skyreach or wherever and level a character to 50 in a matter of hours, fully developing that character is something else altogether and will take time. Three skills for the price/time of one offers, or achieving something on one character resulting in it being gifted to every other character slot on the account (how long then before demands that it be extended to slots on "linked" accounts?) simply won't wash.

If you only want to do things once, then have a single character - and take your time over it, there's no race involved. If, however, you want to get quick access to the "endgame" then ask for a Crown Store token to give it to you, but don't ask for the game to be dumbed down so that progressing in it over time is replaced by automatic instant gratification for all.

You may argue that it's only the veteran players that this sort of thing would appeal to as they're the ones with the means to pay for it, but isn't it the veteran players who are constantly complaining that the game is already too easy as it is? Having it easy is one thing, trivialising it is something else.

LOL, This game is meant to be played for years, but its the easiest game to level up in ive ever played without being able to buy instant leveling. And what makes it even more easier, is when i get CP on my main all my character magically get it and its even easier to level up.

Furthermore the level progression is so tiny, you could condense level 1 -CP690 down in this game pretty easily into 75 normal levels.It shouldnt take me 3 times longer to " level" my horse as it does to level my actual character LOL.

As i said above if you cant afford 4k a day there is something very very wrong with how you play. You can almost make that off writs on a single character. And its optional, if you cant afford 4k a day, train 1 or 2 skills instead. The option would be nice without me spending $50 to train a horse.

Your strawman just fell down.

Darkestnght wrote: »

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha .....I've got to say just suck it up like countless others have. Not fair in any way to change it now. Just my opinion.

You obviously dont play many MMOs, if that was a valid argument, NOTHING would ever change in an MMO.

I really surprised how upset people seem to get over something that is so trivial and has zero impact to how they want to play the game. ZERO.

Tandor · February 2018

Anotherone773 wrote: »

I really surprised how upset people seem to get over something that is so trivial and has zero impact to how they want to play the game. ZERO.

I quite agree, and yet they continue to complain the whole time about how long it takes to train a horse.

Anotherone773 · February 2018

Tandor wrote: »

Anotherone773 wrote: »

I really surprised how upset people seem to get over something that is so trivial and has zero impact to how they want to play the game. ZERO.

I quite agree, and yet they continue to complain the whole time about how long it takes to train a horse.

There was zero complaint in my OP. The suggestion was also designed so it has zero impact on a player that doesnt want it to affect them. No one could say " I dont want to pay more for faster training, just leave it alone, i rather spend the time than the gold" because that option still exists.

And yet people still found a reason to complain about it even though the change would have zero affect on how they play the game. Methinks some people just like to complain for the sake of complaining.

Blacksmoke · February 2018

Hmmm no.

Kwik1 · February 2018

Anotherone773 wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Anotherone773 wrote: »

I really surprised how upset people seem to get over something that is so trivial and has zero impact to how they want to play the game. ZERO.

I quite agree, and yet they continue to complain the whole time about how long it takes to train a horse.

There was zero complaint in my OP. The suggestion was also designed so it has zero impact on a player that doesnt want it to affect them. No one could say " I dont want to pay more for faster training, just leave it alone, i rather spend the time than the gold" because that option still exists.

And yet people still found a reason to complain about it even though the change would have zero affect on how they play the game. Methinks some people just like to complain for the sake of complaining.

For me it is all about being fair to everyone and equal treatment. It would be really unfair to those that went out of their way to do this on all their toons every day and would completely take away from the effort they put into it.

That might sound like me complaining to some people, but it really isn't. My stance on EVERY issue in this game is fairness. Yes it might be a pain but it is a pain to everyone.

Jarryzzt · February 2018

Rich players wouldn't care. Everyone else would whine.

Besides which, this is part of how the game draws you in. It gives you a reason to log in for 180 days with the same character, even if just for a minute. [Compare and contrast with EVE, where you can literally walk away for 25 days while your character continues to train an advanced skill, your standing buy and sell orders continue to be filled, your research and manufacturing jobs continue to be...well, you get the picture.]

Facefister · February 2018

"No! Clicking a button for 250g every 20 hours is an essential part of character development and it's totally immersive as a RPG game." -Some people in this thread.
And people should not talk about "fairness" when I can buy that stuff with crowns.

Having to wait atleast 150 days for an fully upgraded mount has nothing to do with RPG nor immersion, it just wants you to spend money on the crown shop.

A level 1 horse is so slow, it's borderline insulting.

Riding skill should be account-wide.

Lykanus · February 2018

Facefister wrote: »

Having to wait atleast 150 days for an fully upgraded mount has nothing to do with RPG nor immersion, it just wants you to spend money on the crown shop.

Riding skill should be account-wide.

Absolutely not. Riding Skills arent important for anything except Cyrodiil. And if you make a new toon you arent Cyrodiil ready in any way either, no matter how fast you train your horse.
EVERYTHING else you can play ESO perfectly without any Riding skills. If you're one that wants extra comfort and that fast and lazy - yea go to the crown shop.

There is NO need in extra bagspace or riding skills for any PvE content, except extra comfort.

runagate · February 2018

I'm about to pay the stablemaster for the 2520th time here soon. I am not looking forward to making my 15th character's mount fast when we are allowed to buy a new character slot this next upcoming patch. 2520th...

Chilly-McFreeze · February 2018

Lykanus wrote: »

Facefister wrote: »

Having to wait atleast 150 days for an fully upgraded mount has nothing to do with RPG nor immersion, it just wants you to spend money on the crown shop.

Riding skill should be account-wide.

Absolutely not. Riding Skills arent important for anything except Cyrodiil. And if you make a new toon you arent Cyrodiil ready in any way either, no matter how fast you train your horse.
EVERYTHING else you can play ESO perfectly without any Riding skills. If you're one that wants extra comfort and that fast and lazy - yea go to the crown shop.

There is NO need in extra bagspace or riding skills for any PvE content, except extra comfort.

You know that some people spend most of their sub 50 time in cyro? There is even a campaign for that.

But on a broader look, this resent to OPs idea is hard to understand for me.

-he does not ask for account wide riding skills
-he does not ask to instantly buy them all at once
-he does not take away the current way for those who have not much gold
-he does ask for a way to shorten the time with a drawback: increased gold
-this would not take away anything from your achievements

If I where in the same salty mood as yesterday I'd probably drop a questions like:

If your argument is that maxed out horse stats are not needed, why make them annoying to get?

Do you think people stay with the game just because they feel the strong urge to level their mount?

Where do you see this proposal as "dumbing down" when feeding a horse involves no player skill at all?

Where is the difference between research time and mount training?

Do people who appoint that other players (newly joined or just someone who makes alt #X) should endure the same senseless struggle act the same in the real world? Like "Back in our days we had to work 70 hours a week with no employment laws, why should you have it better?".

Runschei · February 2018

Account wide mount upgrades pls

LadyAstrum · February 2018

Yes, I think it would be handy to be able to pay for all three each day, instead of just one.