I just remembered why I don't help anyone

Ep1kMalware · February 2018

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

DoctorESO wrote: »

If you get kicked from a group, you are too good for them anyway.

Not always. Sometimes a kick is warranted. I have done a few dungeons and trials where the people in question deserved a kick. And no, I wasn’t the group leader who kicked said people.

Perfect examples are Damage-Dealers who strictly use a bow in a trial, and light attack spam with Snipe every here and there. That in my opinion warranted the kick that they received. Or the people who call themselves tanking with dual-wield daggers and a restoration staff. That type of stuff deserves kicks, in my opinion.

I mean, let me ask you this. Would you feel comfortable in a trial with a healer who’s healing with a bow and 2H? Claiming that their Twilight (Sorcerer pet) and Vigor are strong enough to keep the group afloat? Would you REALLY feel comfortable in those situations, my guy?

I had a magdk with 2h actually attempt to heal vmol. Our group usually had no probs in vmol but once we started whiping on the first group we had to take a closer examination of our subbed healer who claimed to have healed vmol before. As predicted this particular gem of humanity threatened to report us all to zos calling us selfish and *** up

Aisle9 · February 2018

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Jhalin wrote: »

I still remember healing vDirefrost and this one DD would never break free from the tether. We'd chip her down to 75% or so, then this *** gets tethered and lookie there, she almost full hp again.

This went on for almost ten minutes and I left when we wiped to the second phase of adds. It's amazing how stupids refuse to listen to even the simplest advice.

It's like trying to explain to people to stop running from planar inhibitor because you get no dps/heals. You ever notice when you quit groups and reque they put you in the exact same group you left from?

That can't be right.

Unless it's the only group in the queue, if you lose a member and queue for replacement, you should be at the bottom of the queue...

Ep1kMalware · February 2018

Aisle9 wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Jhalin wrote: »

I still remember healing vDirefrost and this one DD would never break free from the tether. We'd chip her down to 75% or so, then this *** gets tethered and lookie there, she almost full hp again.

This went on for almost ten minutes and I left when we wiped to the second phase of adds. It's amazing how stupids refuse to listen to even the simplest advice.

It's like trying to explain to people to stop running from planar inhibitor because you get no dps/heals. You ever notice when you quit groups and reque they put you in the exact same group you left from?

That can't be right.

Unless it's the only group in the queue, if you lose a member and queue for replacement, you should be at the bottom of the queue...

I dunno what to say, but it happens periodically on ps4-na

Aisle9 · February 2018

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Aisle9 wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Jhalin wrote: »

I still remember healing vDirefrost and this one DD would never break free from the tether. We'd chip her down to 75% or so, then this *** gets tethered and lookie there, she almost full hp again.

This went on for almost ten minutes and I left when we wiped to the second phase of adds. It's amazing how stupids refuse to listen to even the simplest advice.

It's like trying to explain to people to stop running from planar inhibitor because you get no dps/heals. You ever notice when you quit groups and reque they put you in the exact same group you left from?

That can't be right.

Unless it's the only group in the queue, if you lose a member and queue for replacement, you should be at the bottom of the queue...

I dunno what to say, but it happens periodically on ps4-na

Alright, so, technically, once the group is formed, you leave the queue and enter the instance.

I guess there are very few people using it then, because if you rejoin it you should be put at the bottom.

That said, I'm not sure if there's some sort of priority for groups near the end of a dungeon.

Ep1kMalware · February 2018

Aisle9 wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Aisle9 wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Jhalin wrote: »

I still remember healing vDirefrost and this one DD would never break free from the tether. We'd chip her down to 75% or so, then this *** gets tethered and lookie there, she almost full hp again.

This went on for almost ten minutes and I left when we wiped to the second phase of adds. It's amazing how stupids refuse to listen to even the simplest advice.

It's like trying to explain to people to stop running from planar inhibitor because you get no dps/heals. You ever notice when you quit groups and reque they put you in the exact same group you left from?

That can't be right.

Unless it's the only group in the queue, if you lose a member and queue for replacement, you should be at the bottom of the queue...

I dunno what to say, but it happens periodically on ps4-na

Alright, so, technically, once the group is formed, you leave the queue and enter the instance.

I guess there are very few people using it then, because if you rejoin it you should be put at the bottom.

That said, I'm not sure if there's some sort of priority for groups near the end of a dungeon.

I'm not sure how it works. I quite thinking too much about it tbh. For safety reasons.

Aisle9 · February 2018

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Aisle9 wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Aisle9 wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Jhalin wrote: »

I still remember healing vDirefrost and this one DD would never break free from the tether. We'd chip her down to 75% or so, then this *** gets tethered and lookie there, she almost full hp again.

This went on for almost ten minutes and I left when we wiped to the second phase of adds. It's amazing how stupids refuse to listen to even the simplest advice.

It's like trying to explain to people to stop running from planar inhibitor because you get no dps/heals. You ever notice when you quit groups and reque they put you in the exact same group you left from?

That can't be right.

Unless it's the only group in the queue, if you lose a member and queue for replacement, you should be at the bottom of the queue...

I dunno what to say, but it happens periodically on ps4-na

Alright, so, technically, once the group is formed, you leave the queue and enter the instance.

I guess there are very few people using it then, because if you rejoin it you should be put at the bottom.

That said, I'm not sure if there's some sort of priority for groups near the end of a dungeon.

I'm not sure how it works. I quite thinking too much about it tbh. For safety reasons.

Seems reasonable

DoctorESO · February 2018

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jssriot · February 2018

Tasear wrote: »

You probably got kicked for attitude.

My money is on this. People usually aren't so stupid to not know when someone is condescending towards them. Literally every time I see someone complaining about how stupid people in pugs are either here or in game chat, I wonder if they realize what a massive hemorrhoid they are presenting themselves to be.

The other thing is--and I say this as someone who has taught everything from music lessons to basic reading skills--people assume their explanations are good. Most gamers I find have no idea how to explain the difference between LAs and HAs so why should we expect them to be able to explain vet mechanics? Teaching people is a skill, and it begins with respecting the people you teach enough to realize when you're failing at explaining things to them. Also realizing you need to adjust your approach and not just assuming they're unteachable, because everyone learns differently and very few people learn when their "teacher" is treating them like trash. I don't think the OP has these skill sets, tbh, and probably needs to stop thinking they do. LOL.

NeillMcAttack · February 2018

#PugLife

Ep1kMalware · February 2018

jssriot wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

You probably got kicked for attitude.

My money is on this. People usually aren't so stupid to not know when someone is condescending towards them. Literally every time I see someone complaining about how stupid people in pugs are either here or in game chat, I wonder if they realize what a massive hemorrhoid they are presenting themselves to be.

The other thing is--and I say this as someone who has taught everything from music lessons to basic reading skills--people assume their explanations are good. Most gamers I find have no idea how to explain the difference between LAs and HAs so why should we expect them to be able to explain vet mechanics? Teaching people is a skill, and it begins with respecting the people you teach enough to realize when you're failing at explaining things to them. Also realizing you need to adjust your approach and not just assuming they're unteachable, because everyone learns differently and very few people learn when their "teacher" is treating them like trash. I don't think the OP has these skill sets, tbh, and probably needs to stop thinking they do. LOL.

Amazingly voiced from somebody I've never played with. You really hit it.

Aisle9 · February 2018

jssriot wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

You probably got kicked for attitude.

My money is on this. People usually aren't so stupid to not know when someone is condescending towards them. Literally every time I see someone complaining about how stupid people in pugs are either here or in game chat, I wonder if they realize what a massive hemorrhoid they are presenting themselves to be.

The other thing is--and I say this as someone who has taught everything from music lessons to basic reading skills--people assume their explanations are good. Most gamers I find have no idea how to explain the difference between LAs and HAs so why should we expect them to be able to explain vet mechanics? Teaching people is a skill, and it begins with respecting the people you teach enough to realize when you're failing at explaining things to them. Also realizing you need to adjust your approach and not just assuming they're unteachable, because everyone learns differently and very few people learn when their "teacher" is treating them like trash. I don't think the OP has these skill sets, tbh, and probably needs to stop thinking they do. LOL.

"Please don't kill the spiders or the boss will enrage".

Right... maybe it wasn't clear what a "spider" is, I mean... there are a lot of spiders

"Please break free or the boss will heal up"

I guess the concept of breaking free (game mechanic) was not clear...

Ok, good talk.

Cpt_Teemo · February 2018

Astrid_V wrote: »

Solution? Don't pug.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3EzRAgjo_s

Ep1kMalware · February 2018

Aisle9 wrote: »

jssriot wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

You probably got kicked for attitude.

My money is on this. People usually aren't so stupid to not know when someone is condescending towards them. Literally every time I see someone complaining about how stupid people in pugs are either here or in game chat, I wonder if they realize what a massive hemorrhoid they are presenting themselves to be.

The other thing is--and I say this as someone who has taught everything from music lessons to basic reading skills--people assume their explanations are good. Most gamers I find have no idea how to explain the difference between LAs and HAs so why should we expect them to be able to explain vet mechanics? Teaching people is a skill, and it begins with respecting the people you teach enough to realize when you're failing at explaining things to them. Also realizing you need to adjust your approach and not just assuming they're unteachable, because everyone learns differently and very few people learn when their "teacher" is treating them like trash. I don't think the OP has these skill sets, tbh, and probably needs to stop thinking they do. LOL.

"Please don't kill the spiders or the boss will enrage".

Right... maybe it wasn't clear what a "spider" is, I mean... there are a lot of spiders

"Please break free or the boss will heal up"

I guess the concept of breaking free (game mechanic) was not clear...

Ok, good talk.

I unfortunately just hired someone that can't do single digit whole number additions. People really are this stupid. Props to all the sjw out there but no, some people really don't get basic concepts.

LadyLethalla · February 2018

Epona222 wrote: »

Still, the best way to get the dungeon runs you want, is to make friends or join a relevant guild)

I have a lot of friends, mostly in a great guild on PS4 EU, but most of them aren't online when I can play. Hence, there are a lot of Vet dungeon achievements I've not yet completed, because I'm not PUGging them.

I HATE my timezone.

Runefang · February 2018

Any dungeon where a single group member can cause the entire group to wipe, is usually a guaranteed wipe in a PuG. Thankfully there aren't many where this can happen.

Ep1kMalware · February 2018

Runefang wrote: »

Any dungeon where a single group member can cause the entire group to wipe, is usually a guaranteed wipe in a PuG. Thankfully there aren't many where this can happen.

Let's see:

Fg2
RoM
Wgt
Cradle of shadows (i barely count it as hard, it's really not)
Icp (again, borderline)
Direfrost keep (can't really cause a whipe, but can get annoying)
bc1 (this one can be absolutely painful if people can't keep boss put)
Coa2 (for some reason people keep dying on the boss that spawns adds)

Did I miss anything?

SirMewser · February 2018

Tasear wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

You probably got kicked for attitude.

I gave you an agree. But it's perspective. I wasn't rude or impolite. But I did tell people what they were doing wrong mechanically. And to the dimwitted, that is more serious than threatening one's family.

It's more of ...well social skills. You have to well get along in a team. To me, I can imagine you yelling of a sorts or nagging, but overall lowering moral enough that 3 people said you didn't belong. As to say there's ways to achieve better results.

Getting along with a team does not mean to get along with every team.
Not all teams should exist or can exist.

It's like how not everyone should be a parent, just because they have a kid (or in this case a group) does not justify right.

Not disagreeing with you but both you and the OP I am torn between because the reality is, we live by experience. Neither you or I was there to say so.

We can all speculate though... But that is all it may ever be.

kylewwefan · February 2018

Thanks for posting this. I finally got a team together and got the speed run for fg2 done last night. I needed it to unlock Akatosh Gold dye. Took 14 minutes with group that knew what was up.

Next on the list is CoH2 no death for Voidstone Violet. It’s funny how these relatively easy dungeons have been such a problem for minor achievements.

So yeah. A few days getting a good group together for achievements. And a 14 minute run FTW.

Doctordarkspawn · February 2018

Selfishness.

S'why I've basicly eschewed any form of competative environment from now on, or anything where I have to deal with strangers.

Not to mention the toxicity that inevitibly comes up when anyone tries to help -anyone-.

Ep1kMalware · February 2018

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Selfishness.

S'why I've basicly eschewed any form of competative environment from now on, or anything where I have to deal with strangers.

Not to mention the toxicity that inevitibly comes up when anyone tries to help -anyone-.

I was just in a darkshade 2 vet pug. The other dd was worse than bad. -He absolutely sucked. But I've got very very good dps. So I decided what ima do: I drag them kicking and screaming all the way to the last boss, kill all the adds amd drop the 5.7m piece of crap to 500k health. Then leave group.

I got a bunch of bitter hate mail for leaving, all sorts of it. I guess they probably whiped. I said not a single word to anybody the entire dungeon, amd did 99.9% of the work. It's funny how salty kids get when you don't do that last .01%.

Anyway, it made my night.

SydneyGrey · February 2018

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

I was just in a darkshade 2 vet pug. The other dd was worse than bad. -He absolutely sucked. But I've got very very good dps. So I decided what ima do: I drag them kicking and screaming all the way to the last boss, kill all the adds amd drop the 5.7m piece of crap to 500k health. Then leave group.
I got a bunch of bitter hate mail for leaving, all sorts of it. I guess they probably whiped. I said not a single word to anybody the entire dungeon, amd did 99.9% of the work. It's funny how salty kids get when you don't do that last .01%.
Anyway, it made my night.

If you PUG, then you KNOW you'll be put in with people who aren't very skilled. Makes me thinks you do it on purpose because you get an ego rush from doing exactly what you just did. Why do you PUG? You can just join a guild where you'll be put in with higher-skilled people, but no, you'd rather PUG, screw people over, and then run to the forums to tell us all how wonderful you are.

Stovahkiin · February 2018

Had a similar experience in the same dungeon, although in my case we kept wiping on the second (I think?) boss that chains one of the group members and has to be freed or they insta-die.

obscure7 · February 2018

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Selfishness.

S'why I've basicly eschewed any form of competative environment from now on, or anything where I have to deal with strangers.

Not to mention the toxicity that inevitibly comes up when anyone tries to help -anyone-.

I was just in a darkshade 2 vet pug. The other dd was worse than bad. -He absolutely sucked. But I've got very very good dps. So I decided what ima do: I drag them kicking and screaming all the way to the last boss, kill all the adds amd drop the 5.7m piece of crap to 500k health. Then leave group.

I got a bunch of bitter hate mail for leaving, all sorts of it. I guess they probably whiped. I said not a single word to anybody the entire dungeon, amd did 99.9% of the work. It's funny how salty kids get when you don't do that last .01%.

Anyway, it made my night.

Don't know if your story is true or not, but thanks for posting the story anyways. Here have an awesome for making my day a little brighter.

Jamini · February 2018

jssriot wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

You probably got kicked for attitude.

My money is on this. People usually aren't so stupid to not know when someone is condescending towards them. Literally every time I see someone complaining about how stupid people in pugs are either here or in game chat, I wonder if they realize what a massive hemorrhoid they are presenting themselves to be.

The other thing is--and I say this as someone who has taught everything from music lessons to basic reading skills--people assume their explanations are good. Most gamers I find have no idea how to explain the difference between LAs and HAs so why should we expect them to be able to explain vet mechanics? Teaching people is a skill, and it begins with respecting the people you teach enough to realize when you're failing at explaining things to them. Also realizing you need to adjust your approach and not just assuming they're unteachable, because everyone learns differently and very few people learn when their "teacher" is treating them like trash. I don't think the OP has these skill sets, tbh, and probably needs to stop thinking they do. LOL.

As a tank player that loves groupfinder groups (most times), I agree wholeheartedly with this sentiment.

Some people, however, do just refuse any advice no matter how well-phrased. My roommate is one such person, and it's maddening the fights we get into.

(In PvP, he is trying sorc)

Him: "I'm having a lot of trouble dealing damage. Sorcerer has no burst"
Me: "Really? Sorcs generally have pretty good burst. Do you have frags and crushing shock slotted? Or shock clench?"
Him: "Frags?"
Me: "Crystal fragments. It's instant cast when it procs for a good amount of damage. A lot of sorcs will open with curse, then fury, then force pulse until frags comes up. You can stun people blocking with rune prison. Use streak and mines to keep your distance and keep your shields up."
Him: "Oh, I have the other morph. Blast."
Me: "Crystal... blast? What do you use that for? It's a garbo skill."
Him: "I use it for AoE situations."
Me: "You don't have Liquid lightning and wall of elements for that? You need some burst in PvP man. It's a Garbo skill."
Him: "Aoe"
Me: "Garbo skill"
Him: "AoE"
Me: "Garbo Skill"
-This goes on for several minutes

Exchanges between us happen fairly often. I've essentially given up on helping him improve at this point. He likes the game easy and has no interest in doing hard content, and has a nasty chip on his shoulder about "Meta ***" (even when I'm flat-out offering to make him gear specifically for his build that most people playing the meta wouldn't even consider.)

Magdalina · February 2018

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Selfishness.

S'why I've basicly eschewed any form of competative environment from now on, or anything where I have to deal with strangers.

Not to mention the toxicity that inevitibly comes up when anyone tries to help -anyone-.

I was just in a darkshade 2 vet pug. The other dd was worse than bad. -He absolutely sucked. But I've got very very good dps. So I decided what ima do: I drag them kicking and screaming all the way to the last boss, kill all the adds amd drop the 5.7m piece of crap to 500k health. Then leave group.

I got a bunch of bitter hate mail for leaving, all sorts of it. I guess they probably whiped. I said not a single word to anybody the entire dungeon, amd did 99.9% of the work. It's funny how salty kids get when you don't do that last .01%.

Anyway, it made my night.

LMAO...that's...that's just so evil it's actually awesome

Edit: in their defence, you should've probably at least tried to give them advice. Some people legit are new and don't know any better, but they're willing to learn(admittedly in my experience that's the minority, the majority would rather eat you alive for "telling them how to play", but still)... ....but I still can't stop chuckling

LeagueTroll · February 2018

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Selfishness.

S'why I've basicly eschewed any form of competative environment from now on, or anything where I have to deal with strangers.

Not to mention the toxicity that inevitibly comes up when anyone tries to help -anyone-.

Entitlement: believe having right to things. In this case to clear a dungeon as a damage dealer while dealing way less than enough damge

Selfish: lack consideration for others, concerned mostly with one’s own profit or pleasure.

Right, it’s selfishness, but not entitlement

JobooAGS · February 2018

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

DoctorESO wrote: »

If you get kicked from a group, you are too good for them anyway.

Not always. Sometimes a kick is warranted. I have done a few dungeons and trials where the people in question deserved a kick. And no, I wasn’t the group leader who kicked said people.

Perfect examples are Damage-Dealers who strictly use a bow in a trial, and light attack spam with Snipe every here and there. That in my opinion warranted the kick that they received. Or the people who call themselves tanking with dual-wield daggers and a restoration staff. That type of stuff deserves kicks, in my opinion.

I mean, let me ask you this. Would you feel comfortable in a trial with a healer who’s healing with a bow and 2H? Claiming that their Twilight (Sorcerer pet) and Vigor are strong enough to keep the group afloat? Would you REALLY feel comfortable in those situations, my guy?

Funny thing is I actually have a double bow build that pulls its weight in dungeons and even trials (after so many hours put into rotation) and does get mistaken for those infamous "bowtards" that pull 5k dps at best.

ol_BANK_lo · February 2018

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Got pugged into fg2 (eww). It always turns into a progression run. Whatever, I thought I'd explain the fights and see if anyone can learn anything.

Nope, teamates were too stupid. I got kicked because teamates killed spiders and I reset boss, explained it twice more.

2nd time I got kicked after getting pulled into mephalas realm after explaining portal mechanics for 'abandoning team'

WHY is evsryone so dumb lol? Not knowing mechanics is understandable, we all start somewhere. But teaching people how to do veteran content really feels like throwing pearls before swine.

This made me laugh. Ironically this comes just days after someone asked why good players leave or vote to kick when they see lower people. Many many of these experiences is why. Get tired of it.

BUT, on a better note, my buddy and I (good players) wanted to get a friend who is a new player the Domihaus helm. He was barley CP, and never done a Vet dungeon. We queued for tank, and we were all on DPS. We got a 400+ cp tank who had never done Falkreath. He struggled a bit with mechanics and resources as he learned a new DLC dungeon AND had no healer. He turned out to be a good dude, and glad we could get him through it.

Although I never go in the dungeon queue unless with good players, you can get someone good, or at least a good attitude.

Your example is just funny.

ol_BANK_lo · February 2018

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Epona222 wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Thermoluminescence wrote: »

You can't fix stupid.

Zos needs to release dungeon mechanics every quarter. Give us 1 quarter to experience the mystery of new content. Then afterwards drop a tutorial for it. That way there's no excuse.

Huh? Just google for dungeon mechanics - plenty of youtube videos and text descriptions with screenshots

EDIT to add: (people who can't be bothered to do that aren't going to look at a Zeni tutorial either)

Yeh but you got to holdem accountable somehow. I did a vet falkreath, we got to last boss and asked if everyone knew mechanics. 1 dd did not, so I toldem to look it up real quick and I'd answer any questions he had afterward.

Low and behold mr 'i dont have a mic' managed to produce a means of screaming at the group for treating him wrongly (literal screaming from a fully grown adult). We kicked him, told new dd same thing, and we got through it on the 2nd go.

I can't tell if there's entitlement issues or is almost everyone just insane lol

Not sure why you would wait for someone to "look it up". Just tell him the mechanics. This makes no sense. You can tell him faster than waiting for him to get his computer, google it, read it and ask questions. Just tell him. My god.

Vermintide · February 2018

It is truly depressing the standard of players you get sometimes.

That CP690 sorc queued as every role, who goes on to say you don't need a tank, tells everyone to stop moving around, and instructs us all to just res every time you get one shot... I mean sure it might work, eventually. But it would be an order of magnitude easier if you just had an actual tank.

I might have been tempted to entertain the idea if he didn't also *** talk everyone else's DPS, despite the fact Combat Metrics had me doing 42% myself, on a lower level and non-meta character. So his numbers weren't exactly blowing anyone away.

Some people just have severe deficiencies with their brain, and all we can do is pity them.