Would you be happy if, instead of the next DLC, we got "improvements" instead?

Anotherone773 · February 2018

Not talking about the one about to be released or any chapter that may be in the works( though if a chapter is next i think that should be put on hold). But would you be happier if instead of a DLC, we got various improvements to the game instead such as:
*Fixes to lag issues, FPS issues, sync issues.
* Various bug fixes.
* Balance issues worked on both in pve/pvp.
* Other upgrades to current content.

And then this was offset with some exclusive features ( for money making purposes) such as:
*1 or 2 new houses that were crown exclusive
* New pets, mounts, costumes, motif?, furniture,etc that were crown exclusive.
* Other vanity/cosmetic things that were crown exclusive.

So basically in a nutshell, instead of new content you would get broken things fixed and just vanity type stuff you have to buy for crowns instead of DLC. Would you be happy about this "sacrifice" to improve the current gameplay?

Aliyavana · February 2018

No

No, story content is important to me

ccfeeling · February 2018

No

No offense , but they really can't fix all issues with current staffs .

Valykc · February 2018

No

I voted “No” because generally the “Improvements” we get end up breaking the game, creating lag, or nerfing things. You ask ZOS for “Improvements” and believe me, you won’t want what they give you.

LordSemaj · February 2018

Yes

Update 18: Tamriel Un@&$%ed

- Made Werewolves not suck for owners of the DLC!
- Fixed hordes of graphical errors and FPS drops for owners of the DLC!
- No more lag or queues for owners of the DLC in Cyrodiil!
- Rebalanced old sets to have better stat distribution... for owners of the DLC!
- The game will stop randomly crashing for no apparent reason FOR OWNERS OF THE DLC!

Price of DLC: $20

Fastest selling DLC ever.

LordGavus · February 2018

I don't think it's as easy as 'skip a dlc to fix all the issues. Little bugs and things pop up all the time.

Personally I don't experience many bugs or issues with the game. My only problem is lag, but playing out of Australia on Australia's potato internet is the main cause of that.
Maybe playing with 350 ping has made me more forgiving to a little bug now and again.

Leandor · February 2018

Anyone got that dead horse gif at hand?

This was asked for many times. So far it was not taken into consideration. Also, that would have been possible during mandatory subscription phase. Now they do need the income from paid dlc. And imagine the uproar if there would be a paid dlc that did not deliver content.

logarifmik · February 2018

Yes

Narvuntien · February 2018

No

I came here to post that "why not both" meme. I really need to learn just enough Spanish to know how to spell "pour quanos los dos"

The people that make the DLCs and the people that do the "improvements" are different people in different departments. The money made from the DLCs can help to fund the improvements. Sometimes I think people think that this game is run by a small handful of people that can't be working on multiple things at once. Its a huge company with specialised roles not a guy in his mothers basement making an app.

Yeah okay perhaps the DLC making department has more people in it, because they bring in the money. As much as people complain about the costumes in the cash shop, in that case its probably the same people making the beautiful assets in game. The improvement guys are probably a much smaller team as such the pace of improvement is slow, but all I see is continued improvements, its just taking years.

LadyNalcarya · February 2018

No

Valykc wrote: »

I voted “No” because generally the “Improvements” we get end up breaking the game, creating lag, or nerfing things. You ask ZOS for “Improvements” and believe me, you won’t want what they give you.

This.
Morrowind "improvements" already drove away a part of playerbase. I dont really want more of those.

Anotherone773 · February 2018

Yes

Narvuntien wrote: »

I came here to post that "why not both" meme. I really need to learn just enough Spanish to know how to spell "pour quanos los dos"

The people that make the DLCs and the people that do the "improvements" are different people in different departments. The money made from the DLCs can help to fund the improvements. Sometimes I think people think that this game is run by a small handful of people that can't be working on multiple things at once. Its a huge company with specialised roles not a guy in his mothers basement making an app.

Yeah okay perhaps the DLC making department has more people in it, because they bring in the money. As much as people complain about the costumes in the cash shop, in that case its probably the same people making the beautiful assets in game. The improvement guys are probably a much smaller team as such the pace of improvement is slow, but all I see is continued improvements, its just taking years.

Yeah thats not how that works. If george and beth coded the area of the game that has the bug, they dont sent john and nancy in to troubleshoot it and try to fix it. Code is complex enough as it is, the most efficient people to put on that bug are the people who worked on that part of the system. I think your confusing customer service with actual developers.

Ohtimbar · February 2018

No

No. I've been playing this game for ages, and I need new content to stave off boredom. There are plenty of problems to solve, but I can live with the piecemeal approach to fixes. There's no viable alternative, economically, so it's just as well.

CardboardedBox · February 2018

No

For some reason, nobody ever seems to understand that this game never will be balanced. And it's not the Dev's fault either. It's an mmo, not a single player game.

-many abilities
-many morphs
- many weapon types
-stamina/magika
-each individual players personal skill level

It is 100% physically impossible to balance an mmo, unless every skill did the same thing, and they nerfed individual players based on how good they're doing.

DieAlteHexe · February 2018

Leandor wrote: »

Anyone got that dead horse gif at hand?

This was asked for many times. So far it was not taken into consideration. Also, that would have been possible during mandatory subscription phase. Now they do need the income from paid dlc. And imagine the uproar if there would be a paid dlc that did not deliver content.

HTH

Leandor · February 2018

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Leandor wrote: »

Anyone got that dead horse gif at hand?

This was asked for many times. So far it was not taken into consideration. Also, that would have been possible during mandatory subscription phase. Now they do need the income from paid dlc. And imagine the uproar if there would be a paid dlc that did not deliver content.

HTH

Thanks

Rev Rielle · February 2018

Other(please explain)

I'd like many of quality of life features worked on, yes. But things like balance and the like I don't think should be 'focus' they have been for how many years now? It's as good as it's ever going to get.

All the zones could do with more quests for one thing.
I'd like to see dailies obtainable in the original zones pertaining to various world bosses there, with concurrently those world bosses given a bit of an overhaul.
Dolmens really need some work. I think they need to scale a whole lot better than they do, and provide a meaningful challenge. If 24 adventurers show up to a dolmen looking for a fight, I'd like to see a boss/es that is/are memorable, enjoyable (and have something like 24 million health). Not to mention to change them to not be on such a predictably boring and farm-prone timer. Or, they could take it in another direction akin to what Rift did with their... hmm, 'eye dolmen' thingies? I forget the name, but they were far more enjoyable than what we have in ESO: something perhaps where your input actually effects the level of success.

Mini dolmens that spring up could be far more meaningful too; with a chance of a very rare, but very deadly daedra coming through them. Something that would result in almost a zone wide 'event'. This monster perhaps could come through and if not dealt with would just wander around and attack everything in it's path for a while.

I'd like to see a set of daily missions added, similar to crafting but more along the lines of harvesters: got out and gather X amount of wood, etc.

Etc, etc.

So quality of life, sure. But new quality of life to the base game, just the somewhat banal lag/balance/bug fixes: They're ongoing all the time anyways.

WhiteCoatSyndrome · February 2018

No

Anotherone773 wrote: »

Yeah thats not how that works. If george and beth coded the area of the game that has the bug, they dont sent john and nancy in to troubleshoot it and try to fix it. Code is complex enough as it is, the most efficient people to put on that bug are the people who worked on that part of the system.

That actually depends on the company. Some of them will send John and Nancy on purpose, other cases they have to send John and Nancy because George and Beth are out sick/on vacation/left the company/got moved to a different team and are unavailable. This is why code reviews and coding standards are a thing; if the code is standardized to a point, it's easier for people who haven't touched it before to read it and make changes. And code reviews make sure that at least one or two people other than the dev working on a particular piece of code have at least SEEN it. Mind; not all companies do code reviews or have coding standards.

Elsonso · February 2018

Other(please explain)

"Other" == "Both"

I am one of those "they should be doing it anyway" folks. Every update.

I think they are too focused on new content, but the solution isn't to stop doing new content, it is to do more these improvements every update. They can start doing more of this at any time. It is never too late. At least, not from a quality perspective.

They need to do lots of improvements. They need to release a steady stream of new content. They should not stop doing one in favor of the other.

Tandor · February 2018

No

The game is fine as it is for me, I don't need any "improvements" and the performance is also excellent.

Azurya · February 2018

Yes

but it is never gonna happen

Epona222 · February 2018

No, they do "improvements" with most quarterly updates anyway - if they dropped including new content it would alienate all people who actually want the new content - questers, casuals, RPers - and we're the people that buy extras from the crown store and keep the game going.

Honestly, I don't care about PvP performance very much - yes it would be good if it were a bit better, but it's not the main thing. It's probably a hurtful truth, but I also sub and spend a large amount on additional crowns - I want new quest content, and the hope of that is why I am spending money.

Narvuntien · February 2018

No

Anotherone773 wrote: »

Yeah thats not how that works. If george and beth coded the area of the game that has the bug, they dont sent john and nancy in to troubleshoot it and try to fix it. Code is complex enough as it is, the most efficient people to put on that bug are the people who worked on that part of the system. I think your confusing customer service with actual developers.

"various bug fixes" wasn't the only part of your argument.

FPS, Lag and sync departments don't work on new DLCs.
Balance fixing team doesn't work on the DLCs, except for the new sets.
Upgrades to current content. I assume you mean things like UI and guild-store improvements? In this coming DLC this team would be involved with their work on the storage and outfit systems. Okay I guess this might be relevent how many people you pull off the new DLC to work on these existing systems. But I also feel like these upgrades can be done slowly without the time pressure of DLCs so you can give a small team a year to work on these improvements without there being a problem.

Unfortunately, this game has been out long enough for the original programers to have moved on to other jobs, so I don't think that you can always get people to go in a fix their own code. obviously ideally you fix the bugs before release but I feel like sometimes the bugs are interactions with old systems written by different people.

Necrelios · February 2018

Other(please explain)

VR support. All games without it will die off within the next couple of years.

dennissomb16_ESO · February 2018

No

Working on fixes, performance etc will always be an ongoing task in every major MMO. The issue around lag and some of the bug issues that have been in the game since launch (charging through doors in keeps etc.) have more to do with ESO's combination of code and server technology and simply is not going to be fixed in a quarterly DLC

Biro123 · February 2018

Yes

Hell I'd even pay for it as a 'next chapter'

Gilvoth · February 2018

Yes

ccfeeling wrote: »

No offense , but they really can't fix all issues with current staffs .

jaye63 · February 2018

Yes

THE MOST IMPORTANT FEATURE OF A GAME IS THAT IT WORKS!

And if things are broken, stop piling on and find out why they're broken so new DLCs dont compound the problem further. Turbine did this to Dungeons and Dragons Online and ruined what used to be a perfect game. It got so bugged people were duplicating items making the entire game pointless to play. And last I checked in with some one who still plays it, it's still a thing and getting worse..

FIX FIRST! Content after.

Sergykid · February 2018

Yes

quality over quantity.

`nuff said

AndyTGD · February 2018

Yes

There is so much stuff which needs fixed - there is absolutely no point in adding more (let's face it, mediocre) story content, when the game desperately needs to divert some development time into correcting bugs and polishing existing content. For instance, I'd gladly forego another dumb story if the devs would fix just some of the original armor sets which look like they've been painted onto NPCs by a five year old. How about going back and fixing some of the starter regions - just look at the absurdly fake and lazy cliffs in Bal Foyen and compare these areas and their washed-out and sub-par textures with the recent Vardenfell content. We desperately need older content to be refreshed and some of the bugs squashed permanently - this should be the priority, not more content.

Slurg · February 2018

Other(please explain)

For the amount of money they are working hard to get players to spend between subscription benefits and crown store offerings and new chapters that must be purchased separately, I don’t see any reason they can’t provide both new content and game improvements. If they really can’t do it, should you keep giving them money?

Jade1986 · February 2018

Yes

Hell yes. This game is in desperate need of some QoL improvements, mini games, and performance improvements.

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