I just remembered why I don't help anyone

NyassaV · February 2018

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Hollery wrote: »

Astrid_V wrote: »

Solution? Don't pug.

That or get rid of the penalty on queues

YOU SIR, are a genious.

Ma'am*

Aisle9 · February 2018

I'd settle for a decent matchmaking tool...

It's not even that hard, track your success rate, track the average time it takes to complete, track the preferred role, match and make.

Hell, just track the achievements, worst case scenario you were carried.

Instead we get the GF:
"You want to group ? sure, I'll just grab the first 3 people I find... oh, sorry, missed one... hehe, let me try again... whoops, missed that one again, wait, I can do it... aww, missed it again..."

"Hey, GF, we're already grouped, and we all accepted, roles are good"

"No, you're mistaken, someone is not ready, tee-hee"

Ep1kMalware · February 2018

Tasear wrote: »

You probably got kicked for attitude.

I gave you an agree. But it's perspective. I wasn't rude or impolite. But I did tell people what they were doing wrong mechanically. And to the dimwitted, that is more serious than threatening one's family.

Epona222 · February 2018

Aisle9 wrote: »

I'd settle for a decent matchmaking tool...

It's not even that hard, track your success rate, track the average time it takes to complete, track the preferred role, match and make.

Hell, just track the achievements, worst case scenario you were carried.

Instead we get the GF:
"You want to group ? sure, I'll just grab the first 3 people I find... oh, sorry, missed one... hehe, let me try again... whoops, missed that one again, wait, I can do it... aww, missed it again..."

"Hey, GF, we're already grouped, and we all accepted, roles are good"

"No, you're mistaken, someone is not ready, tee-hee"

I do firmly believe there should be a few checkboxes in the dungeon finder tool - "want to do quest", "need all bosses", full pledge run only", "looking for speed run/no death run" etc - may result in slightly longer queues for people restricting their options, but would greatly reduce disappointment.

(EDIT: Still, the best way to get the dungeon runs you want, is to make friends or join a relevant guild)

Aisle9 · February 2018

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

LordSemaj wrote: »

ascan7 wrote: »

Simple:
1) there are many dumb people
2) even if they are dumb, these people often have money
3) gaming industry cater to those people to get their money
4) you get dumb people in your game

Never be surprised about people's stupidity. Every time you think there is a limit, someone can just surpass it.

I see it differently.

1) there are many dumb people
2) dumb people often don't have money
3) gaming industry reduces cost of playing their games
4) you get dumb people in your game

I miss mandatory subscriptions.

Hell yes! This is the only mmo I've played that didn't have one!

I remember a discussion we had not so long ago... I'd say "I told you", but I'll say "I feel your pain", instead.

Azurya · February 2018

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Got pugged into fg2 (eww). It always turns into a progression run. Whatever, I thought I'd explain the fights and see if anyone can learn anything.

Nope, teamates were too stupid. I got kicked because teamates killed spiders and I reset boss, explained it twice more.

2nd time I got kicked after getting pulled into mephalas realm after explaining portal mechanics for 'abandoning team'

WHY is evsryone so dumb lol? Not knowing mechanics is understandable, we all start somewhere. But teaching people how to do veteran content really feels like throwing pearls before swine.

I tried, I really tried it! Finding a grp with the finder,
but yeah, nothing to add to the above
Now I ask guildies if someone has time,
if nobody wants, or we don´t get at least 3 spots with guiildies, we don´t go

Tasear · February 2018

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

You probably got kicked for attitude.

I gave you an agree. But it's perspective. I wasn't rude or impolite. But I did tell people what they were doing wrong mechanically. And to the dimwitted, that is more serious than threatening one's family.

It's more of ...well social skills. You have to well get along in a team. To me, I can imagine you yelling of a sorts or nagging, but overall lowering moral enough that 3 people said you didn't belong. As to say there's ways to achieve better results.

Ep1kMalware · February 2018

Epona222 wrote: »

Aisle9 wrote: »

I'd settle for a decent matchmaking tool...

It's not even that hard, track your success rate, track the average time it takes to complete, track the preferred role, match and make.

Hell, just track the achievements, worst case scenario you were carried.

Instead we get the GF:
"You want to group ? sure, I'll just grab the first 3 people I find... oh, sorry, missed one... hehe, let me try again... whoops, missed that one again, wait, I can do it... aww, missed it again..."

"Hey, GF, we're already grouped, and we all accepted, roles are good"

"No, you're mistaken, someone is not ready, tee-hee"

I do firmly believe there should be a few checkboxes in the dungeon finder tool - "want to do quest", "need all bosses", full pledge run only", "looking for speed run/no death run" etc - may result in slightly longer queues for people restricting their options, but would greatly reduce disappointment.

(EDIT: Still, the best way to get the dungeon runs you want, is to make friends or join a relevant guild)

Man, or some kind of interface that people could post on. You click on the add, select group role, and boom. Make it so you can select what dungeon you wamt etc. Then a comment section (first time, tryimg to get skin, farming for x item, etc). Much like you suggested. But centralized like a global auction house where you can post to see what people are looking to do if you're bored.

You can even make it a billboard for 'immertionz'.

Ep1kMalware · February 2018

Tasear wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

You probably got kicked for attitude.

I gave you an agree. But it's perspective. I wasn't rude or impolite. But I did tell people what they were doing wrong mechanically. And to the dimwitted, that is more serious than threatening one's family.

It's more of ...well social skills. You have to well get along in a team. To me, I can imagine you yelling of a sorts or nagging, but overall lowering moral enough that 3 people said you didn't belong. As to say there's ways to achieve better results.

I didn't use a mic tbh.

Undefwun · February 2018

1) Explained politely to a 'bowtard' that stealing half the adds and then running backwards forever spamming whatever, was making my job as healer harder, as tank gets priority. After a couple more pulls and him dying I said, please stay with my view range, as I am not going out of my way to heal him if he keeps it up. Response "Go suck a D***"... he was crown, stopped for a bit, so def tried to have me kicked. The other DD and Tank had no issues with being healed, buffed and staying alive, so guess they voted no. He shut up, stayed closer and no more deaths.

2) Explaining RoM to couple new guys. DD who has been just jumping up and down, "Man lets just do this", runs in, screws the Chudan charge/bubble mechanic causes wipe, cos both DD's were reasonably low and and squishy.

3) I don't even want to go into the nMoL pug I had earlier today.... yes normal..

Have to say though, there have been others who have appreciated having things explained.. walked through, and even though there were still wipes, the appreciation and actually trying to do better, made it worth it.

Grey_Wanderer · February 2018

Tasear wrote: »

To me, I can imagine...

I think I've located the problem.

Ep1kMalware · February 2018

Undefwun wrote: »

1) Explained politely to a 'bowtard' that stealing half the adds and then running backwards forever spamming whatever, was making my job as healer harder, as tank gets priority. After a couple more pulls and him dying I said, please stay with my view range, as I am not going out of my way to heal him if he keeps it up. Response "Go suck a D***"... he was crown, stopped for a bit, so def tried to have me kicked. The other DD and Tank had no issues with being healed, buffed and staying alive, so guess they voted no. He shut up, stayed closer and no more deaths.

2) Explaining RoM to couple new guys. DD who has been just jumping up and down, "Man lets just do this", runs in, screws the Chudan charge/bubble mechanic causes wipe, cos both DD's were reasonably low and and squishy.

3) I don't even want to go into the nMoL pug I had earlier today.... yes normal..

Have to say though, there have been others who have appreciated having things explained.. walked through, and even though there were still wipes, the appreciation and actually trying to do better, made it worth it.

That's where the problem is though. When do you stick your neck out? It's not like players who want to learn are magically glowing in a crowd of vulgarity.

LordSemaj · February 2018

Tasear wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

You probably got kicked for attitude.

I gave you an agree. But it's perspective. I wasn't rude or impolite. But I did tell people what they were doing wrong mechanically. And to the dimwitted, that is more serious than threatening one's family.

It's more of ...well social skills. You have to well get along in a team. To me, I can imagine you yelling of a sorts or nagging, but overall lowering moral enough that 3 people said you didn't belong. As to say there's ways to achieve better results.

Not likely. Projected emotion is popular among the dense. As soon as you start trying to provide advice, they will immediately snap and shut you down for trying to tell them how to play their class and all manner of verbal abuse follows until it's you that feels like your moral has been lowered enough to quit the group. Such people are so used to being seeped in hatred and attacked by less kind souls that they have a hair trigger response to even constructive criticism, which ironically is a pair of words they've likely never heard before.

Ep1kMalware · February 2018

LordSemaj wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

You probably got kicked for attitude.

I gave you an agree. But it's perspective. I wasn't rude or impolite. But I did tell people what they were doing wrong mechanically. And to the dimwitted, that is more serious than threatening one's family.

It's more of ...well social skills. You have to well get along in a team. To me, I can imagine you yelling of a sorts or nagging, but overall lowering moral enough that 3 people said you didn't belong. As to say there's ways to achieve better results.

Not likely. Projected emotion is popular among the dense. As soon as you start trying to provide advice, they will immediately snap and shut you down for trying to tell them how to play their class and all manner of verbal abuse follows until it's you that feels like your moral has been lowered enough to quit the group. Such people are so used to being seeped in hatred and attacked by less kind souls that they have a hair trigger response to even constructive criticism, which ironically is a pair of words they've likely never heard before.

This guy *** nailed it!

Ch4mpTW · February 2018

Feanor wrote: »

2nd time I got kicked after getting pulled into mephalas realm after explaining portal mechanics for 'abandoning team'

I don’t believe this. Nobody can be that bad.

@Feanor N’ah it’s pretty bad on PS4-NA. And if memory serves me correctly, OP plays on PS4-NA. I’ve been apart of PUG’s that would continuously wipe to Veteran Blackheart Haven and Veteran City of Ash 2. In fact, to this very day the vast majority of PUGs struggle with Veteran Direfrost Keep. I have been apart of more Veteran Direfrost Keep PUGs, that ended in dismantling the group than I can count.

It’s literally to the point that nowadays I refuse to PUG, unless if the tank and or healer are buddies and or guildies. If I don’t know at least 1 of the 2 players filling those roles, I won’t even bother doing a PUG. I’d rather just do the content: With guildies, friends, or solo it.

Ep1kMalware · February 2018

@Ch4mpTW

I am indeed ps4-na. I think I've even had youmas a guildmate several times. Chapionabsolute?

Anhedonie · February 2018

Not sure if you're on NA or EU, but on EU I was instakicked upon joining the party. Reason: magicka warden. Although several times, but this happened only during first months into Morrowind.

DieAlteHexe · February 2018

LordSemaj wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

You probably got kicked for attitude.

I gave you an agree. But it's perspective. I wasn't rude or impolite. But I did tell people what they were doing wrong mechanically. And to the dimwitted, that is more serious than threatening one's family.

It's more of ...well social skills. You have to well get along in a team. To me, I can imagine you yelling of a sorts or nagging, but overall lowering moral enough that 3 people said you didn't belong. As to say there's ways to achieve better results.

Not likely. Projected emotion is popular among the dense. As soon as you start trying to provide advice, they will immediately snap and shut you down for trying to tell them how to play their class and all manner of verbal abuse follows until it's you that feels like your moral has been lowered enough to quit the group. Such people are so used to being seeped in hatred and attacked by less kind souls that they have a hair trigger response to even constructive criticism, which ironically is a pair of words they've likely never heard before.

Which is REALLY frustrating for someone like me who is perfectly happy to admit when I don't know something, accept constructive criticism and instruction. People just don't want to take the time or leave themselves open to what the OP describes. I've pretty much given up on PUGs due to how incredibly short-tempered, rude and surly folk can be.

It's a real shame.

Aisle9 · February 2018

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

2nd time I got kicked after getting pulled into mephalas realm after explaining portal mechanics for 'abandoning team'

I don’t believe this. Nobody can be that bad.

Feanor N’ah it’s pretty bad on PS4-NA. And if memory serves me correctly, OP plays on PS4-NA. I’ve been apart of PUG’s that would continuously wipe to Veteran Blackheart Haven and Veteran City of Ash 2. In fact, to this very day the vast majority of PUGs struggle with Veteran Direfrost Keep. I have been apart of more Veteran Direfrost Keep PUGs, that ended in dismantling the group than I can count.

It’s literally to the point that nowadays I refuse to PUG, unless if the tank and or healer are buddies and or guildies. If I don’t know at least 1 of the 2 players filling those roles, I won’t even bother doing a PUG. I’d rather just do the content: With guildies, friends, or solo it.

Funny you should mention Direfrost, I remember an episode where I had to stop and sit down until I received a response in chat to the question "Are you guys reading what I'm writing ? I'm gonna let you die if I don't receive an answer", after saying 4 times (4 wipes):
"1) break free if you get stunned or she heals up"
"2) if she disappears, make sure you get out of the aoe"

Funny thing, they answered when they went to the chat to complain for the lack of heals and read what I wrote.

The next pull we managed to get the kill (took 20 min, but that's another matter).

Still, I had to /sitchair after Drodda was pulled to make sure I had their attention. It was mildly amusing, but only because of the frustration.

How much s**t we could get done if we remembered how to communicate with each other...

Runefang · February 2018

I have no luck, my pug experiences are usually boring...

Magdalina · February 2018

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Epona222 wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Thermoluminescence wrote: »

You can't fix stupid.

Zos needs to release dungeon mechanics every quarter. Give us 1 quarter to experience the mystery of new content. Then afterwards drop a tutorial for it. That way there's no excuse.

Huh? Just google for dungeon mechanics - plenty of youtube videos and text descriptions with screenshots

EDIT to add: (people who can't be bothered to do that aren't going to look at a Zeni tutorial either)

Yeh but you got to holdem accountable somehow. I did a vet falkreath, we got to last boss and asked if everyone knew mechanics. 1 dd did not, so I toldem to look it up real quick and I'd answer any questions he had afterward.

Low and behold mr 'i dont have a mic' managed to produce a means of screaming at the group for treating him wrongly (literal screaming from a fully grown adult). We kicked him, told new dd same thing, and we got through it on the 2nd go.

I can't tell if there's entitlement issues or is almost everyone just insane lol

Hahaha did he just yell so loud you heard from across the ocean or something?:D

Ep1kMalware · February 2018

Magdalina wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Epona222 wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Thermoluminescence wrote: »

You can't fix stupid.

Zos needs to release dungeon mechanics every quarter. Give us 1 quarter to experience the mystery of new content. Then afterwards drop a tutorial for it. That way there's no excuse.

Huh? Just google for dungeon mechanics - plenty of youtube videos and text descriptions with screenshots

EDIT to add: (people who can't be bothered to do that aren't going to look at a Zeni tutorial either)

Yeh but you got to holdem accountable somehow. I did a vet falkreath, we got to last boss and asked if everyone knew mechanics. 1 dd did not, so I toldem to look it up real quick and I'd answer any questions he had afterward.

Low and behold mr 'i dont have a mic' managed to produce a means of screaming at the group for treating him wrongly (literal screaming from a fully grown adult). We kicked him, told new dd same thing, and we got through it on the 2nd go.

I can't tell if there's entitlement issues or is almost everyone just insane lol

Hahaha did he just yell so loud you heard from across the ocean or something?:D

I really should record and montage these outbursts. They aint thst rare.

ArchMikem · February 2018

LordSemaj wrote: »

ascan7 wrote: »

Simple:
1) there are many dumb people
2) even if they are dumb, these people often have money
3) gaming industry cater to those people to get their money
4) you get dumb people in your game

Never be surprised about people's stupidity. Every time you think there is a limit, someone can just surpass it.

I see it differently.

1) there are many dumb people
2) dumb people often don't have money
3) gaming industry reduces cost of playing their games
4) you get dumb people in your game

I miss mandatory subscriptions.

I paid $60 plus another $60 a year for Xbox Live bud.

Aisle9 · February 2018

ArchMikem wrote: »

LordSemaj wrote: »

ascan7 wrote: »

Simple:
1) there are many dumb people
2) even if they are dumb, these people often have money
3) gaming industry cater to those people to get their money
4) you get dumb people in your game

Never be surprised about people's stupidity. Every time you think there is a limit, someone can just surpass it.

I see it differently.

1) there are many dumb people
2) dumb people often don't have money
3) gaming industry reduces cost of playing their games
4) you get dumb people in your game

I miss mandatory subscriptions.

I paid $60 plus another $60 a year for Xbox Live bud.

You don't look that dumb to me, don't be too hard on yourself.

Epona222 · February 2018

ArchMikem wrote: »

LordSemaj wrote: »

ascan7 wrote: »

Simple:
1) there are many dumb people
2) even if they are dumb, these people often have money
3) gaming industry cater to those people to get their money
4) you get dumb people in your game

Never be surprised about people's stupidity. Every time you think there is a limit, someone can just surpass it.

I see it differently.

1) there are many dumb people
2) dumb people often don't have money
3) gaming industry reduces cost of playing their games
4) you get dumb people in your game

I miss mandatory subscriptions.

I paid $60 plus another $60 a year for Xbox Live bud.

I'm a bit in awe of how badly you misunderstood the post you replied to... it's quite something.

Ep1kMalware · February 2018

ArchMikem wrote: »

LordSemaj wrote: »

ascan7 wrote: »

Simple:
1) there are many dumb people
2) even if they are dumb, these people often have money
3) gaming industry cater to those people to get their money
4) you get dumb people in your game

Never be surprised about people's stupidity. Every time you think there is a limit, someone can just surpass it.

I see it differently.

1) there are many dumb people
2) dumb people often don't have money
3) gaming industry reduces cost of playing their games
4) you get dumb people in your game

I miss mandatory subscriptions.

I paid $60 plus another $60 a year for Xbox Live bud.

When the game first came out eso was another 15$/month. Which is pretty common for games like this. Normally when games stick with this model the overall quality of the game is much better.

Epona222 · February 2018

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

LordSemaj wrote: »

ascan7 wrote: »

Simple:
1) there are many dumb people
2) even if they are dumb, these people often have money
3) gaming industry cater to those people to get their money
4) you get dumb people in your game

Never be surprised about people's stupidity. Every time you think there is a limit, someone can just surpass it.

I see it differently.

1) there are many dumb people
2) dumb people often don't have money
3) gaming industry reduces cost of playing their games
4) you get dumb people in your game

I miss mandatory subscriptions.

I paid $60 plus another $60 a year for Xbox Live bud.

When the game first came out eso was another 15$/month. Which is pretty common for games like this. Normally when games stick with this model the overall quality of the game is much better.

To be fair, there was no xbox version when the game first came out - they dropped the compulsory sub on PC because MS refused to drop the online fee for whatever xbox people pay to play multiplayer stuff, and Zeni couldn't very well release the game on xbox with a subscription and hope to sell many units whilst requiring people pay twice - one fee to Zeni and another to MS.

(and if anyone is saying they *had* to pay for both ESO sub and Xbox live, they are lying)

M_Volsung · February 2018

Yeah... this is why I don't pug, I worry that I'll be the one to screw everything up, get everyone pi.. cheesed off at me, and ruin it for the others.

And since I don't know enough people to put together even a three person team, I tend to just run around and hit sabre cats with an axe.

DieAlteHexe · February 2018

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

LordSemaj wrote: »

ascan7 wrote: »

Simple:
1) there are many dumb people
2) even if they are dumb, these people often have money
3) gaming industry cater to those people to get their money
4) you get dumb people in your game

Never be surprised about people's stupidity. Every time you think there is a limit, someone can just surpass it.

I see it differently.

1) there are many dumb people
2) dumb people often don't have money
3) gaming industry reduces cost of playing their games
4) you get dumb people in your game

I miss mandatory subscriptions.

I paid $60 plus another $60 a year for Xbox Live bud.

When the game first came out eso was another 15$/month. Which is pretty common for games like this. Normally when games stick with this model the overall quality of the game is much better.

This makes me wonder...are there any MMOs left that don't have a cash store? Hmm, I guess I should not be so lazy and go check this out. Seems like all the "big" ones do these days.

Aisle9 · February 2018

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

LordSemaj wrote: »

ascan7 wrote: »

Simple:
1) there are many dumb people
2) even if they are dumb, these people often have money
3) gaming industry cater to those people to get their money
4) you get dumb people in your game

Never be surprised about people's stupidity. Every time you think there is a limit, someone can just surpass it.

I see it differently.

1) there are many dumb people
2) dumb people often don't have money
3) gaming industry reduces cost of playing their games
4) you get dumb people in your game

I miss mandatory subscriptions.

I paid $60 plus another $60 a year for Xbox Live bud.

When the game first came out eso was another 15$/month. Which is pretty common for games like this. Normally when games stick with this model the overall quality of the game is much better.

Eeeeh, I disagree.

When the game first came out the "recurring spending" strategy was subs.

The industry changes since then.

I'd say it's more the whale hunting that got us here, but even that is reductive.

IMO what breeds this kind of behavior is more the fact that kids today are brought up with concept like "You can do everything" and forget about the "...if you work hard" part, therefore, when someone comes along and puts that concept in doubt, they go full defensive.

But that's just my opinion.